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Sunday, June 3, 2007
@ 8:41 AM
To Maluenda
GB. I like reading your posts your always so nice to everybody. I started reading about other religions when I moved out of my parents house and found some things that made sense to me but I remembered the elders freakin us out about it. Could the moderators let me know how to get in touch with Maluenda? I have to use the library computer so I will check back tomorrow to see if anybody answers me. Thanks______________________________Moderator 2 response If you would like to send a message to us through this same message board with your information we can forward it on to Maluenda for you but it will not be posted on the guest book for everyone to see. PS thank you very much for your comments to her our main purpose for this sight is support for victims.

Earl Saturday, June 2, 2007
@ 8:48 PM
Alex and all
Just wanted to respond to your question about 1914 and the end times. Like many theories of JW's they had to chage this also.They were wrong again but will not admit it, they call that new light when they have to change something. From what I gather they changed the meaning of "This Generation" to not mean ones lifetime as it was but now to an indeterminate time. Jesus was so clear about people setting dates and speculating when the end will come but WT evidently feels Jesus wasn't talking to them. I really think there have been some sick leaders at WT as I can see no reason why they woild not fear the wrath of God. The next to the last verse in Revelation warns everyone from either adding to of taking away from his word. Maybe MAN can put what type of pathology they might have. Is it similar to the Jim Jones of the world who feel they have a direct link with God and are above reproach?, I really think they feel that way, maybe especially annointed is the word I am looking for.Many people today think Jesus was some peace loving hippie with sandals but I was reminded in a wonderful book called ' Wild at heart" by John Eldredge that Jesus wasn't afraid to get in the face of the Pharisies and anyone else who promoted false beliefs and doctrine. He wasn't a coward and he stood for the lowest among mankind. He spoke up when there was abuse and the description of his return clearly shows a warrior who is going to clean up this mess. Obviously the WT thinks they are exempt from his wrath but I would hate to be part of a group that allows abuse to children who Jesus had a big heart for or anyone else for that matter. He loves his flock and died for us and it saddens him and his father to see us suffer. It takes guts to stand up for those who have no voice and Bill and everyone here has shown a real love for mankind and courage to do their part to stop them. You all keep up the good work. Blessings to all:)

M.A.N. Saturday, June 2, 2007
@ 5:45 PM
To MT
I forgot one point. When all of us can express our feelings, including outrage, it helps people to heal. Just because I have a degree in Psychology doesn't mean I have all the answers or that it makes this nightmare any easier to take. The only difference is that I might know the clinical names for things and others don't. But we all are in pain because children are molested. I felt that if people can see that all of us feel a full range of emotions, then they might heal more quickly. I'm not going to do anything to get revenge. If my daughter wanted to resume a relationship with me, and I were in prison, what good what that do me? The pedophiles will be taken care of in the end. Anger is a normal and necessary part of the healing process. Under the Mosaic Law, I'd be pitching rocks at someone's head. Now THAT'S violence. You can picture what that was like, I'm not going to describe it.

M.A.N. Saturday, June 2, 2007
@ 5:35 PM
To charliej
Thanks for your comments. I'll see about the email thing. My best to you.

M.A.N. Saturday, June 2, 2007
@ 5:18 PM
To MT
I appreciate your comments. I'm Sicilian and have a temper. But it serves a purpose at times if it's not taken too far. I can let off steam. Any JW lurkers can see the damage they've done. And some may realize that victims have strong feelings about being abused. The Bible called for death for pedophiles. And since the WT likes to shun apostates now using the verse "loathe what God hates" and others, I like them to see how it feels. for the GB in Bethel. My wife used to ask why I got angry and threatened to kill the pedophile and the elders who protected him. I asked her, "Would you rather I threaten to do it and feel better 5 minutes later, or would you prefer I take my guns and actually go and do it. She chose to let me sound off. Please don't worry, I'm not going anywhere. If my health allows, I will attend the next rally. I hope it's in Florida, since we have very strict laws here about child molestation. My best to you.

Alex Saturday, June 2, 2007
@ 12:32 PM
Questions of those who know.
Hi everyone. I had relatives that were JW's years ago. In the yearbook they always had the number of those who participated in the Bread and the Wine. You know, the members of the 144,000 group. The teachings at the time were that there had to be some of the remant still alive when the end of this system began. How many of this group are alive today and what happened to the teaching about the Armaggedon happening before this group who saw 1914 was all passed away? Thanks in advance Alex

charliej Saturday, June 2, 2007
@ 11:55 AM
MAN
MAN I think that you and I think alike, on many things. I have used the same analogy of a chess game between god and Satan it is very disconcerting to think that life could possibly be about an argument or game between two spirit creatures saying I’m right, no I’m right you’re wrong. Like two little children. I also found comfort when I left the org. in finding that allot of people have experienced things the same way that I have. The Society would have us think that we are alone and rebellious and that is why we experience problems. But in the end most of us are very much the same and always can find someone that understands us, and is willing to offer support. I would like the opportunity to talk to you in on a private session sometime. If you would allow our mutual friend to give me your e-mail address or she can give you mine.

Maluenda Saturday, June 2, 2007
@ 1:20 AM
To MT
That's wonderful! I'm so excited for you. Of course, we;ll always be here for you. I think the person that called you KT thought that was your initials or typed them in wrong thinking they were kt instead of mt. I know I've done that before too. There is a saying that you have to have rain in order to see the rainbow. Sounds like the rain is over and your creating a rainbow! Blessings!

M.A.N. Friday, June 1, 2007
@ 7:27 PM
Re: agnosticism
I appreciate your thoughts. Usually people who believe in God feel uncomfortable when those who don't believe become militant or belittle the existence of God. And most agnostics aren't offended when believers talk about God or question how anyone could be an agnostic. It's just a trend I've seen over several decades. (You all knew I wasn't 25 years old, right? LOL) We have all spoken about the various results that child abuse causes. I was never abused so I can't realistically imagine what it would be like. But what happened to me after my daughter's rape/molestation was that I found that I could no longer believe in God, mostly for allowing it. I realize that it's not considered his fault by most believers. And we all know word for word how the WT would explain it. And I also am often accused of "judging God". But as I told one JW a while ago when this first happened, that I couldn't accept the fact that God allows this world to suffer to prove some point that the JW's claim is being settled between God and Satan. I had felt that I didn't ask to be a pawn in this heavenly chess game. But I'm not able or allowed to walk off the board, so to speak, and say, "I don't want to play". I was forced to play when my child was molested. I guess in so many words, I feel that if there is any being in the universe that can save someone and they don't, I have a problem with that. It's similar to the Good Samaritan. I'm not trying to expound doctrine, I'm just attempting to show that there are many other areas of "fall-out" besides just the victim's suffering. Some parents suffer but continue to forge ahead, realizing that God, the Bible, and the WT are not one and the same. (Hey, there's the trinity!) Other parents took the view that I did, that if God could have stopped it, and didn't, there was a moral culpability. Anyway, that's how I got to the position where I am today. But I need to emphasize once again that most people survive abuse because they either have a strong faith NOT based on the WT, or they develop one during their healing process. And since my sincerest love is for all victims everywhere, I am truly happy for them if their faith is a factor in their recovery. I never get into whether it can be proven if God exists or not or debate it. This forum is to find healing. I only know that I have to deal with my daughter's situation first. I will have to put off for now the issue of God's existence until later. Some would say I could heal more quickly if I DID believe, but I don't have the time or health to do both together. Since I don't believe the WT's doctrine about the future, or my having to be a JW to survive Armageddon, I don't feel any urgency to settle it too soon. I think everyone here would agree that forcing myself to believe prematurely would not help me in the long run. I absolutely respect everyone here, not matter what their belief is. My business is to ensure that anyone I know who was a victim will find out about Silent Lambs and come here for healing and a better life. My best to all.

mt Friday, June 1, 2007
@ 6:53 PM
to M.A.N. and Maulenda
I do have a few things more to say. To M.A.N. first. I am so glad, that you are expressing your feelings. You sometimes write mad, and sometimes don't. It feels so good. Because I am just as you. I can be so mad, when I am writing, and therefore it's good to see, that I am not alone. :) And to you Maluenda, You are such a kind and so much a loving person. Despite all, what you have been through. I can not even imagine. But you are clever, and have a big warm heart. Healing so many off us. So you must both keep on going. Just had to write it. Sincerely mt

mt Friday, June 1, 2007
@ 6:44 PM
Hi
Sorry forgot to ask, what does KT means? And what ever it means, its okay, we all do mistakes. Love mt.

mt Friday, June 1, 2007
@ 6:40 PM
Love you
Thank you so much, for your comforting answer. I just had to write back at once. It warmed me so much. Always good to be missed. And I can say the same to all off you. Well great news from here. I am now starting a society, called silenced witnesses. Yes I am going in Bill'a footsteps, here in litle DK. I have for so long wanted this. And now the opportunity came. A very clever man, offered his help to me, and we spoke for 2 hours today, about being witness, victim, society and much more. It was very exiting. Interesting and I learned so much. So if you do not hear from me, for a while, its because I am now starting for real. And as I understand it, it takes a lot of work. That is so much okay with me, because its what I wan't. Yea I have been sad, but now my clouds are going away. :) And it's also because off you. I love to keep on reading here. It warms my heart. So thank you Bill, for being here. And thank you, especially Maluenda and M.A.N. I sure hope, that we in our new comunity, can get so lovely power, as you are here at Silents lamb. And the same to you earl and charlie and who is writing here. You are all so much loving and kindly people, who are comforting me, and hold the spirit up. So love to your all, from the deepest off my heart, and God bless you all. And I really mean that. You are my family also. All off you.

M.A.N. Friday, June 1, 2007
@ 5:57 PM
To MT
I just wanted to add to what another person said to you. All of us have bad days, feel like we're not making a difference, etc. Many people think that the people who post frequently or are more well-known always have happy days. But we all ride an emotional roller coaster at times. I've had some really bad days where I wished I could snap my fingers and wake up in a better world. But others then post encouraging comments and I feel better. We all know Maluenda is very active in posting and helping others. I sometimes get depressed but she and others reach out and help. This guestbook can and is a great support group and source of comfort for thousands. (I know, we don't have that many posters, but I think we have many "visitors".) My point is that most of us have black days and we suffer because of it. The best thing to do is to post something and this might take your mind off whatever is bothering you that day. Jesus said that there was more happiness in giving than receiving. So if we give of our time, knowledge, kind comments, whatever, we are helping all who read the posts. I've had people ask me how I could get depressed when I have a degree in Psychology. But I'm still human. The only difference is that I get depressed and I know the clinical name for things. But that doesn't take the depression away. Encouragement from people or seeing something good happen to help a victim will cheer up most of us. MT, I think you are doing a very good job. Everyone can't live in the USA. We need people in other countries so that the entire world can learn of the WT's policies. And I've always believed that when people put their emotions out there on the table, then they can feel better. Others can read your post and say "I feel that way also, sometimes". Then they don't feel like they are crazy or the only one. And then when someone posts something upbuilding, that same advice can help the person who is visiting but didn't feel like posting. We just have to keep planting seeds. You never know where they will fall. My best to all.

Friday, June 1, 2007
@ 5:00 PM
To MAN
I just want to let you know that I, for one, do not feel hurt or offended by your being an agnostic. I have a brother who is agnostic and a friend who is agnostic, and an acquaintance who I believe is an atheist. We're all different and perceive things differently. We all have our own unique perspectives about life. Even when people basically have the same perspective, it's not completely, totally the same. People don't come out of pegboards! Thank goodness! It's the differences that make people so interesting, even fascinating. I have faith in God, a heavenly Father. This faith is just 'there'. It's that simple. I can't totally explain it, it just IS. My faith is influenced by nature, by the universe, by life itself. Maybe my faith in a heavenly God is just a part of the cosmos or something. It's way, way too deep for my feeble little gray cells to comprehend. I also believe in Satan and his "cohorts". His influence seems to be everywhere in this world from 'A' to 'Z'. He's very, very scary, but God is far, far stronger than he is. Satan is powerless against Him. I think the devil and his buddies most surely have an influence in the way JWs view pedophilia, that the governing body and the elders have Satan and his pals leading them around by their noses, and in turn the 'rank and file' are led around by their noses. Oh, spare us all from that religion, that cult! You never need to feel you should apologise in case you might be hurting anyone's feelings with your very OWN personal beliefs, MAN. You certainly need never to say sorry to me, that's for sure! You are your own person. Everyone is his/her own person and should never be afraid to be themselves. Not that anyone should be aggressive about where they're coming from, but assertiveness about it is good. That way nobody's toes are stepped on. Everyone is shown respect. Respect for others, and respect for themselves. To all of you, I encourage you to - - be who you are!

Friday, June 1, 2007
@ 4:37 PM
To MT
First, MT, I am sorry I was calling you KT! I don't know where I got that idea. I hope we hear from you soon here! I'm looking forward to posts coming from you soon! We love to hear from you here at Silentlambs. You are such a kind and COMPASSIONATE person and have a lot to offer here. Also, we want to be here for you, too! To be a really good support system for you, to be your family and friends. I hope we hear from you soon! Please never give up on what you are doing! It is easy to get down sometimes and feel as if you are getting nowhere. I am sure many, many of us here at Silentlambs have experienced feelings like yours. But, PLEASE hang in there, and don't ever give up, and PLEASE keep coming back. You are MISSED here.

M.A.N. Thursday, May 31, 2007
@ 1:08 PM
To Maluenda
Maluenda, your post was great. I have seen that JW's have given up not only their right to think, but they have given up their ABILITY to think. Use it or lose it. When you have 20 or 30 years of being a JW, how can you make a decision without asking "Mother" first? Yet Paul said to acquire your own conscience and "thinking ability". He also said that if you can't make a decision on your own, you are a babe feeding on milk when you should be eating solid food as an adult. It truly is a tragedy to know that millions of people are walking around thinking THEY know the big picture of the world. Yet it is true that they are clueless about life. I pity them. They get mad because they know that they possibly don't have the truth. The longer this system lasts, the worse they look. I know many JW's go door to door but their heart isn't in it. I never met a people who looked at their watches more than anyone else.

M.A.N. Thursday, May 31, 2007
@ 9:53 AM
To charliej
Charlie, you are not behind me. You'd be very surprised if you knew how bad some of my days are. We've all cried for lost family, many have considered suicide, some even think about murder. I had an elder tell me privately that if anyone molested his daughter, he'd kill him and the truth be damned. I need help just like everyone else. I just have more textbooks maybe. LOL. TO EVERYONE: I spoke with one of my college professors who moved from Princeton, NJ to Tampa, FL a few years ago. She has a few doctorate degrees. She told me she sees a therapist weekly. I almost dropped the phone. I had 3 of my 20 classes with her in college. I never detected any problems with her. But she told me that therapists see other therapists to keep them sane. Doctors see doctors and dentists visit their own favorite dentist. You can't work on your own teeth, right? Same thing here. Maluenda knows me well and can vouch for these statements. (Here's your chance, Maluenda. LOLOL) Charlie, I'm surprised the counselor didn't know about JW's. I have a girlfriend in Alaska (yes, I get around) who I was with 30 years ago. She has a doctorate in Psych. She said she sees so many JW families that are falling apart that if she limited her practice to just JW victims, she couldn't see them all weekly even if she worked 80 hours per week. And this is in Alaska. Not a very populated state. Charlie, I'm glad he compared them to a cult and that they were guilty of child abuse. I truly believe that the WT is a criminal organization. Jesus said that "wisdom is proved righteous by its works". Well, what is the fruitage that the WT has left in its wake?? We all know that answer. Using the elders to discipline children is DEAD WRONG. NO ONE should do that except the parents. The elders are already treated like gods, why the hell should they punish the children of other parents. They can't even raise their own. I can't find the source, but I heard that 3 out of 4 children raised in the JW religion leave when they turn 18. And this includes elders, and I think the percentage is higher. After all, elders are busy and neglect their kids. Plus, they worry too much about being the perfect family so that they can keep their sorry positions of petty power. As I said, I don't believe in God. But you are right about the alcohol, drugs, etc. These poor kids don't know which way is up. I'll post more later, I have to finish cutting the lawn before the sun gets any hotter here in good old Florida. My best to you.

Earl Wednesday, May 30, 2007
@ 11:55 PM
our purpose
I was just reading about people who struggled after leaving the JW's and realised in part because of their teachings they feel devalued if not part of the org.and even if they are part of the org. I want them to realise that once they understand that God loves you unconditionally, always has long before we even new of him and by grace we are saved and there is nothing you can do to earn it. Get that idea out of your head that only JW's are saved, it is not true. John 3:16 says it all. You could pound on a thousand doors a week and you wouldn't be any more saved or unsaved. The witnesses are taught that many things happen for no reason, remember the familiar statement they would recite " Time and unforseen occurences" in other words "things just happen by accident. Well that just makes many feel like they are insignificant and God isn't interested in them and thats why so many JW's are depressed and never good enough and never sure of their salvation and walk around feeling guilty with a seudo humbleness.It is drilled into them that they must be human doings and not just human beings to be saved. Thats not humility it is a people that have been beaten down so they will serve out of fear and guilt. When one reads a fine book like The Purpose Driven life by Rick Warren they immediately get their self esteem back when they learn how much God cares for us and has given each of us a purpose or a shape as he calls it to do something that we love. Instead of forcing all to go door to door, dress the same, shave the same, etc. God wants us to do what we are cut out for.Did you ever wonder why he made us all different, maybe he likes diversity? When we love to do something we are good at it. Even the Bible says that not all should be teachers but maybe we have the gift of music or any of a multitude of gifts. Who wouldn't feel guilty doing something out of necessity when we are to do it out of love. I wrote a song after reading The purpose Driven Life and sent it to Rick, he wrote back to thank me and I did some research on him. His book made him millions of dollars and he gives much to Aids research and many other groups. He and his wife live in the same modest home they have had for many years, contrast that with many jW's who preach the end but are keeping up with the Jones, building big new homes etc. He says he gives away about 90% of his money and keeps 10%. I don't know or care what he makes but he is a man that has inspired millions I think mainly by showing biblical passages that show we are valued by our Creator and one is moved with reciprical love to want to be in relationship with Him. The god of the JW's is a harsh god, waiting for us to screw up and always waiting for us to prove ourselves worthy and if we are careful all the way to the end we may be spared but maybe not, Like the old witness that sat in my house more than once and said I don't think I will make it to the new system and I asked him why,He said I just don't feel like I will. Then I asked him what is required for salvation and he thought for a moment and said we need to believe and repent, I said there you go. But look how beaten down this long time witness was, he is not the first one to tell me this. I am here in part to tell the downtrodden that there is freedom and love and truth but you have to get away from the org. and throw out most all they taught you and go to the Bible with an open mind and join a joyful sane church and felllowship with normal people. You will experience the yoke that Jesus talked of, an easier lighter life where you won't feel like a freak and when you don't feel like a freak you won't want to see everyone else going to hell because you will love them like we are supposed to.And when you get to useing your own God given brain and not the WT's dogma you will see clearly how their rules to protect the org. have sacrificed children that have no voice. And you will picture Jesus with the little ones sitting on his lap and you will know that you can no longer be a part to the egregious acts that take place in the halls and are never brought to justice.All of us will have to explain someday if we were either part of the solution or part of the problem, we are one or the other. Evil exist because someone allows it or knows about it and is too cowardly to stand up and help. Only then will you find joy and be able to look in the mirror and say I did the right thing and be able to let go of the guilt and fear and sleep in peace. If our messages reach one jW's heart who knows how many lambs they may save. Blessing to all

charliej Wednesday, May 30, 2007
@ 9:04 PM
MAN
MAN I know that I am a little behind but,you are so correct I had to see a professional counselor because of my experiences within the org. the mental and emotional abuse. He knew nothing about JWs until he met me. Now he realizes how dangerous they can be. He recognizes that they are a very controlling group. He has actually told me that If I were a minor telling him about my life as a JW, without even knowing about the sexual abuse at this point, he would be required by law to report my parents to CPS. It is not a situation that just involves parents, it also involves the entire congregation. My parents often used the elders to discipline me. I actually grew up afraid to do anything wrong or questionable afraid of the elders, the rest of the organization, and Jehovah. I was punished by the organization on many occasions. The bad thing was that I never did anything wrong. I did not do any of the things that I was accused of and punished for. Why else would there be so many alcoholics, and people who have manic depression, and drug abuse, and suicidal tendencies? Why do children who are given any slack leave the first chance they get? Because it is a high control and abusive organization. People should not be afraid of God. A person’s God should be a place of comfort.

charliej Wednesday, May 30, 2007
@ 9:03 PM
SJG
SJG I really appreciated your comments. When I first started having questions and doubts I was overwhelmed with guilt. I had always been taught not to question the elders under any circumstances. That caused me to beat myself up. Until one day while I was thinking about it all, I started thinking about who God is. It occurred to me that If there is truly a creator that has a requirement for us, a specific set of guidelines that we are to live by that he would insure that we would have those answers without question and without the assistance of man for interpretation. Then I realized that we all live our lives according to our past experiences. The lives we have lead generally dictate what we except as truth, and it will generally take a dramatic experience to change that. But it is impossible for every person to understand everything the same. Therefore it makes sense that God would recognize that fact and except it. Then I realized that I had nothing to feel guilty about, or to fear, because if there really is a grand creator he would understand me and except me if I try my hardest.

NF19 Wednesday, May 30, 2007
@ 8:47 PM
To Earl
Hey, you're right! I never thought of that. "Occifer, I ran over this JW, but he wasn't run over by ME." God, that's perfect! Theocratic warfare. Does that mean I can start killing JW's at will because "we are in a fight with dark, spiritual forces", blah, blah? Sounds good to me. I need something to cheer me up." Now I know why the Governing Body stays in their ivory tower. I'm serious. Someday, someone will kill a JW. In the US. I know it's a matter of time. Some parent whose child was molested is going to kill the abuser. You all watch. Remember I said it. Earl, You are also right about their mooching off the system. They mock the USA but collect all the benefits they can so they can pioneer. They won't be cops or join the service, but they scream for a cop if someone smacks them for lying. I hope NYC has an earthquake. But just on certain buildings.

M.A.N. Wednesday, May 30, 2007
@ 8:21 PM
To Maluenda
As most people know, you and I are very good friends. So I can speak the truth. Your father is a very sick man. I could be on the Governing Body and I still wouldn't have anything to do with the man who molested my daughter. If I were near him for five minutes, he wouldn't leave the hospital for weeks, if at all. That's for starters. Secondly, who the hell is your father? Just another stupid elder, as you've said many times. Elders don't know squat about who Jehovah has forgiven or not. Proof? Hasn't the WT changed its views on how to treat those who commit suicide? Now they will do funerals when before they didn't. Who said Jehovah forgave your abuser?? Did he take out an ad in the paper? Hire a skywriter airplane? "So who am I not to forgive him?" Hell, that's funny. My wife left me and took my child almost six years ago. Suppose Jehovah has forgiven me. (For what I don't know. I committed no sin be exposing the perversity of the WT abuse policy. It's the WT that should be worried about forgiveness if they expect to live much longer.) Then why is everyone shunning me? Why does she refuse to go to counseling? She said she'd "think about it" if I proved my loyalty by being at least an elder. Hell, I wasn't an elder ever. I don't answer to her. I told her NO DICE. I'll go to counseling to help my daughter and if we can work out being a family. No meetings, no DC, no FS until the family is reunited. If not, no help. I told her to "trust in Jehovah". We'll see who succeeds in life or not. Jehovah doesn't forgive pedophiles because they don't repent. Less than one in 10,000 ever change for good. So there isn't much forgiveness necessary. You'd have to wake Jehovah up to tell him if a pedophile repented for good. God could nap for decades before needing to be disturbed. I find it disgusting that the victims are DF'd for life but the pedophiles are DF'd for a few months and allowed back in. Again, this shows that elders are NOT therapists and should be arrested for trying. Hey, I'm just following the Bible. The victim is punished for warning others or reporting it. I'm sorry, Maluenda, but you know the score by now. Justice won't be done until these animals are locked up.

Earl Wednesday, May 30, 2007
@ 5:19 PM
nf-19
That was funny but if you used their logic you would only have run over them if you believed you had :):). If we can pick and choose what is a lie why can't we pick and choose what is right and wrong. Can you see where they are going with this philosophy. It truly opens the door for much deceit. I still can not believe they put this in print. Another thing that helped break my affiliation was an article that said that police officers could not be a witness in good standing because they carried a gun. If more people new the WT beliefs they would be livid. So the police and the military can give their lives to protect our freedoms but they are not good enough to be a JW. I asked a JW what he would do if someone broke in his house and was going to rape and kill his family what he would do knowing that the bible says a man must take care of his family. Well they have no answer because they have yet to be told what to do. They wont support their government but they will take from it including welfare, disability, protection etc. They have for years talked about the government turning on religion and they may be one of the first to go as the truth of their hate for this country gets out. I have heard witnesses say I am no part of this country all the while collecting evry benefit they could get. I believe they are finally exposing themselves for what they really stand for.WE know they have no problem useing the court rooms to get what they want. I hope more and more JW's come here and get some sense of things and decide to help our kids and stop the nonsense.

Maluenda Wednesday, May 30, 2007
@ 4:45 PM
To MAN
I love your sense of humor! I think next visit I'll ask them to come in for a bloody Mary and a Hot Dog! Peeps is a slang term for people as in people you know or it's those sugary little marshmallow chicks you eat at Easter! I'm writing chapter three of my book and it has to be done by tomorrow. I just took a break and when I got back to the computer my sweet little girl accidentally landed on the keyboard wiping out half of my completed work! So back to the drawing board! Blessings to all and patience for me!

NF19 Wednesday, May 30, 2007
@ 4:45 PM
logic
Instead of calling it Awake! magazine, it should be called "Wise Up!". If JW's did that, half of them would quit. Many JWs see the dumb arguments and beliefs. They are afraid to leave 'cause their families would dump them.

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