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J Wednesday, June 20, 2007
@ 11:41 PM
To Louise
Of course covering up abuse, especially sex abuse of children, makes their religion look bad to people who have their eyes and minds open to common sense. The rank and file JW's are deluded; believing everything, true or not, that is fed to them by the governing body of the WTB&TS. Read a little of Rick Fearon's website, Six Screens of the Watchtower, and you will learn that they are in business to make money, not to save souls. Like most cut throat corporations, they will stop at nothing to keep the money machine going, even if it means thousands of children being molested. I don't know if the "two witness" rule came about because they really believe that's what the Bible means or not, but the fact remains that they arrogantly hold to it with the steadfastness of a zealot. They are also worried about their image and encourage cover up of abuse, apparently thinking it will just go away. After all, look what they have on the abused. If you tell others in the congregation without two witnesses, you can be disfellowshipped and lose your whole family and all of your friends. Their main tactic is to blame the victim. With all of the mind control they have going on in the organization, it's no wonder they think they can get away with it. God bless the survivors who have been brave enough to come forward, and God help those who have been silenced to do the same.

Amanda Mae Wednesday, June 20, 2007
@ 9:38 PM
The Mother, The life, The Cultish Weirdness- Part one
A part of a writing I am doing for all my friends at, and involved with Silentlambs:)....... Part One- The two main things my mother taught me was to never judge anyone and the other thing she taught me was to judge everyone who was not a Jehovah's Witness. Yes it is a contradiction, you are not reading it wrong. The real truth of the matter is that my mother, who she really was inside, was a very nonjudgmental, giving person who always brought muffins to our neighbors, every morning, a really sweet gay couple. But the religious part of my mom was taught that being gay was wrong and that association with non Jehovah's Witnesses was a bad idea and would lead you to a bad path. I can see how that would mess up your head or her head I mean. But what I wonder is why a woman as intelligent as her, even had a notion to join the JW's in the first place. Someone very close to me always says something I think about, but do not necessarily agree with he says "Anyone who joins the Jehovah's Witnesses, Is highly lacking in brains." I know my mother was very smart, too smart to be in such a religion like the Jehovah's Witnesses, so then I go to what mental unstableness did she have that lead her to such a decision. I try to think about all I know about her, and talk to the family about there memories of her. The biggest conclusion I had, and still have, is that although she was very strong in certain ways, that most people are not, when it came to being accepted, she felt she needed to be accepted. What is strange is she was always a rather eccentric unusual character who could actually tell the elders what to do; now that is odd, very odd. SO I guess that was a form of power and or manipulation. She had a big personality and maybe felt she had to show it to a lot of people. I don't know if she meant to manipulate people, but I know that she did. I know that she tried very hard possibly unknowingly to make me believe that my father was an evil person after my parents divorce. In my heart I knew this was not true. I knew that he was not an ex-jw, she did not like that. She did not think he was intelligent. My father later told me that after the divorce my mother said to him " I never Loved you" and he said" Then why did you marry me and have a family etc..?" She said "Because I felt bad for you." Now I know my father very well and I know he never lies to me, he is not the type and he is not manipulative. Because of my mother trying so hard to make her kids dislike him I ended up for awhile, buying into the bull, at least somewhat, so when my mother died when I was sixteen and after the fiasco with the JWs my mom had left custody to, I went to live with dad, and I did not respect him because my mother had influenced me so into thinking there was something wrong with him. I now regret all I put him through and feel so bad for it. He is a good man. He is a kind and gentle man and one of the only men I know that cries whenever he needs to. So these are the facts as I see it: 1. My mother was manipulative and joining a manipulative religion she may have actually found somehow intriguing and maybe a challenge to see if it upped her manipulation. 2. She married a kind, wonderful man and manipulated him and took all his pay checks and told her friends lies about him all the time even up until the end. 3. When I think of what the Devil might be if I was not an Atheist, I think it might have been more like her. That is not a joke and not meant to be cruel, see my mother would mix the truth with lies and the Bible says that is what Satan does the most. She could break anyone’s will and manipulate anyone into thinking what she wanted. It is now sad to me that her friends she was close to most likely never saw what she really was underneath the religion. My mother was actually not a judgmental person, that is what is so strange, even though our religion taught me things like Gay people should be killed or cast out from there people, I know for a fact my mom thought that was a idiotic theory. I also know that allot of witnesses would not bring there daughter to blues bars to swing dance and hang out. Um yeah that’s not the norm, for most JWS. Well she did and the first time an elder ever questioned her about it, was the last time he ever questioned her again. She knew what to say. And she still in spite of everything taught me to be myself and I can see that was more important to her. After awhile I am almost positive she only stayed a JW because she had so many long, close friendships with her JW friends and the closeness was important to her. And if she had left the JW's she would lose all of those friends because most JWs will not associate with EX-JWs unless there is a reason that it is allowed. I have known a ton of JWs who have even disowned there own families over not wanting to be a JW. See there are people reading this most likely that had a lenient JW upbringing, and so they may think this writing is an exaggeration. But since it is my personal experience, I know it is not. At times my mother could be downright cruel once she had got cancer she used to tell me “I am dying and it is your fault because of the stress you give me". The thing was I was an unusually good kid, and I almost always obeyed her, I was too scared not to in a way. Perhaps the type of parental fear that allot of even non JWs have. Because even though I did not always like her I respected her while she was alive. The only reason I harbor any actual anger or trauma is because of her also, but I will not discuss that till another section of this writing. It is very very sad and I will have to be in the right mood to write it without needed tranx. I did learn allot of good things from my mother and I do think that if she had not been a JW and had worked on a few personality problems she might have been the coolest person I ever meet. I am unique because of her teaching me to be myself no matter what. I am giving because most of the time all she ever did was help others and give to people. But some were she lost tract of sanity I think and came into a world of guilt and shame and I feel sorry for her still. I have no idea the details of her childhood but I did overhear her having a phone conversation one day about being sexually abused as a child I have no idea if this is true or another one of her lies or manipulations but if it is true that would explain her anger toward men at time, at times it was so horrible her anger and she would direct it to a specific male, I think she did that to my dad the most. Of course everything is from my perspective but you have to remember the biggest known thing about me is my lack of judgment even when it comes to judging my mother I don't, I just try to understand. I do understand almost all the things she said and did and raised me as and I forgive her but I do not understand why she did and said and raised my brothers the way she did, and I do not forgive her for that and I dare say I never will. Because in my mind there are a few things, very few, but a few things that are unforgivable. Every week I will write another part of this sort of memoir for other people to understand what life was like as a Jehovah's Witness and as a human being. Amanda's Blog: http://amandamaei.livejournal.com

asd Wednesday, June 20, 2007
@ 5:58 PM
charliej
I do not find comfort anymore in talking about god. I have for years since the abuse just clammed up when anything reguarding to god was being spoken to me and for more reasons than just how I was done by the elders. My stepdad was a JW and part of his abuse was when he would come into my room at night to say prayers with me, then he would molest me or force me to perform sex acts for him. So I kind of have a mental block to god and prayer because it is linked to my abused past.

LOUISE Tuesday, June 19, 2007
@ 7:15 AM

Don’t you think it gives there religion a worse name hiding the truth about abuse? Why can’t they see that? I know that it happens over and over as nobody likes to think it really happens, maybe an awful story far away..... or some stranger..... but when its someone they know and trust its such a different matter swept under the carpet and the child is outcast. It never stops shocking me each day I realize something deeper. I feel for every survivor out there, and know just how badly you have been betrayed, also how strong you have had to be. Please keep you’re strength. Take care.

Ellinor Monday, June 18, 2007
@ 9:14 PM
Thank you
I'd just like to thank you for what you are doing and that you are devoting your lives to spread the information to victims so that they know that somebody are on their side. Swedish girl -------SL response, You are welcome.

charliej Monday, June 18, 2007
@ 8:26 PM
ASD
Our heart goes out to you. I too was sexually abused at a very young age. But I locked myself up in a shell about that, for many years to the point that he died, so nothing could ever be done. But even so the congregation saw fit to apply abuse to me in other manners through false accusations in committee meetings and in public to congregations, followed up with theocratic discipline. There is no limit to the abuse which is enforced. I took comfort in finding out that there are so many people out there just like me who have gone through this and know how I feel. Welcome and I hope that you have found a comfortable safety and happiness. Feel free to talk to us as much as you like. Do you find comfort now in talking about the truths of the religion to people or more comfort trying to not talk about it?

ASD Monday, June 18, 2007
@ 7:55 PM
The little children
I was babtized as a Jehovah's Witness as the age of 10 and was proud to preach to any one that would listen and had enough faith in the organization and God's word that I thought I could do anything. At the age of 12 years old I came to the elders about sexual abuse and they were appaled at the thought of me going to the police. I was determined to do what I felt would help me seek justice for my pain. As a young child I truly did not understand what was going on but I remember feeling left by the "friends" I was not spoke to nor called on any longer to comment. I was the victim!! I left the organization at that time after being told not to talk about it. For them to be following in God's footstep's they sure like to let the little children of god sit by the wayside and suffer..Remember God loves all of his little children..

Monday, June 18, 2007
@ 4:08 PM
Gag orders
Although the 16 victims had to sign gag orders, is there any way anyone else legally can go over those orders and speak for the victims? Giving gag orders to these people seems so controlling and unethical. People should be able to talk, to speak up. This doesn't make sense to me. Isn't there some way someone else can (legally, since they were signed by the victims) get around the gag orders and speak up for the victims? This just doesn't seem right. What would have happened if the victims had refused ----------------SL response. We realize that some may ask these kinds of questions in a rhetorical manner, but if you would like answers to some of these questions please consider sending a query to the “contact us” link at the top of the Silent Lambs home page. They can likely offer some explanation regarding some of these questions, better then the moderator team can. to sign the orders? How can they be 'made' to sign them? What about freedom of speech, etc.? I don't get it. I admit I know little about the legal system, but this still doesn't make sense to me. I think that for the victims to be truly, 100% compensated they should be able to speak up.

LOUISE Monday, June 18, 2007
@ 3:52 AM
think for yourself
i agree they do take over if anyone has a diffrent view point then its frowned upon and they are wrong. they make out like its a way of life but really it is there life no room for gray. (unless it suites them) not so sure how much it is do with serving god or if its just a lot of people on a power trip? here in the uk isnt much diffrent from the states where jws are concerned but elders are not legaly bound to go to police, not even encouraged. i think its more likely worldwide united in covering up and protecting the wrong people than united by faith? -------------------- ----SL responce I apologize, your other message was accidentally deleted. If you would like to resend it we will post it.

aNoNyMoUs Sunday, June 17, 2007
@ 3:36 PM
Godly people not found in Watchtower
We live in a world of fear. People go to church for comfort and reassurance that God has a better plan for us in the future. Religion is a source of comfort. When I was reading articles on this site, I realize that the Jehovah Witnesses do not have that comfort from God. They fear that their leadership will use fear to get them to do the right thing. They fear that God will put an end to their lives if they do not follow their course of action. This type of reasoning is satanic and does not come from a God of love or the Holy Bible. The "2 eyewitness account" has become a crutch to the Jehovah Witnesses and allows Satan to influence his control over their churches. When God decided to destroy Sodom and Gommorah over its immorality and wickedness, so too God will destroy the wickedness that permeates in the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. The leadership of Watchtower needs to cling to goodness and abhor what is wicked. They need to show a repentant spirit by apologizing to their victims within their pages of their magazines. By admitting that their faulty reasoning to the public will allow for God to bless them. Humility is lacking in the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. A humble person admits wrongs. A humble person is a Godly person. I thank the Lord Jesus that I am not a Jehovah Witness. Follow the Bible; not Watchtower!

AFB Sunday, June 17, 2007
@ 3:12 PM
Would Jesus approve of this course of action?
We need to get the names of the leaders of the Watchtower to the police. They need to know that they protect elders who are pedophiles. They are accomplices to the crimes. In addition, the authorities in our neighborhoods need to be educated on the pedophile protection program that Watchtower instituted. As citizens of this great country, we need to stand up to this wickedness. The government needs to be fully aware of the serious sickness this religion has. Send the new flier to your house of representatives and senators right a way. These perverted people need to be off our streets!

charliej Sunday, June 17, 2007
@ 9:40 AM
DJB
I know what you mean about being denied privileges. That was done to me several times. The worse thing was that every time it was based on what the elders thought that I was doing wrong. When it comes down to it, that’s all it amounts to, what is believed to be true or false, as is the case in the abuse issues.

jk Saturday, June 16, 2007
@ 3:39 PM

can you make the flyer in some other languanes??????in that case more people can by reached.

DJB Saturday, June 16, 2007
@ 2:34 PM
Voting
I am still a baptized witness but have not gone to the hall in years but I still do not vote. This is the first that I heard that the witnesses are allowed to vote in countries where it is law to vote. Sure is an infringement on a persons right of free choice. Originally the witnesses use to vote in those who would lead the congretation. I am not sure if the were called elders then. If we had this kind of accountablity to the members I am sure the problem of petophilia would not have mushroomed to the pandemic proportions of today. I for one would have voted them out at the very least. Being accountable and being made to answer to those whom they serve (members) is important. Today thou the elders only answer to those above them ultimately the Governing Body in Brooklyn......I know when I orginally was still going the the hall I was denied privelges (punished) because I was cooperating with the police about my then husband and situation. How sad really for things to come to this. The elders should have supported my efforts to protect myself and my family.... By their actions and what they said they were really infringing on my constitutional rights...We all have a right to be safe...DJB

NF19 Saturday, June 16, 2007
@ 11:46 AM
For Louise
Sorry about what happened to you. My friend's girl was abused too. The elders don't care unless it's their kids or if they will get in trouble. Someday God will save the kids and punish teh Jehova's for lying about this. They are not good christians.

louise Saturday, June 16, 2007
@ 7:50 AM
serching for justice
hi currently taking abuser to court. jw. found elders unsuportive also they allowed my name to be slandered but i wasnt allowed to speak the truth of the abuse this added so much more pain and shame to the abuse. i was to young to realize at the time but dont i just realize now. such a reilfe to not be alone but so awful that so many people have been betrayed. i am intrested though in getting more awarness out there as so many vunrable people are obliviouse to what really goes on there until sadly its to late.

charlie j Friday, June 15, 2007
@ 10:28 PM
NF19
You are correct they do have different policies regarding reporting child abuse. In some states the abuse is required buy law to be reported.

Friday, June 15, 2007
@ 5:26 PM
To G
I am sorry for the upbringing you went through growing up in the JW religion! I am so grateful that my parents didn't raise us four kids in that cult. That is such a blessing. Whew! Actually, my sister and I are the ones who chose to become Witnesses in our 20's, but we never even knew the religion existed until we were in our teens. I wish we never had found out! It is hard enough to be a JW after becoming one as an adult, but to have been one as a child, boy, it must really mess up a lot of kids. Especially with the child abuse issue. That is horrible! And to make children feel guilty about, to feel ashamed about it when they are the VICTIMS is beyond horrible! It is appalling and outrageous what perpetrators get away with in that religion no thanks to the crazy, heartless rules of the governing body and the heartlessness of ignorant, misled elders who convince themselves they are doing the right thing by helping out the perpetrators while punishing or threatening to punish the victims and the families. And, the fact that some of the parents are just as deluded as the elders is unbelievable! It is totally inexcusable and horrendous how these children are treated, not just by the pedophiles, but by the very people they are supposed to trust and believe, to be protected by, the elders - - and very often their own parents! I am so very glad that the courts have finally started to come down on the WTBTS and the pedophiles and all the others who mentally, emotionally, and spiritually abuse these victims! And in some cases maybe parents even physically punish their children for not keeping quiet about their abuse! Parents, of all people, above all people, should be there for their children, their precious beyond words children!

Friday, June 15, 2007
@ 5:08 PM
Voting
Something that became very important to me after leaving the JW religion was voting. I keep up pretty well for the most part with the candidates and where they are coming from. I am protective of my right to vote! I could never again belong to any religion that has (or slyly gets people to THINK it has) such control and power over its congregants. Not ever. Never again will I allow such a thing to happen to me.

Friday, June 15, 2007
@ 5:01 PM
To MT
Hooray, MT! Congratulations! You are the Bill Bowens of Denmark! :-) Please keep us posted on how things are going with The Silenced Witnesses. You are very courageous and compassionate!

TB Friday, June 15, 2007
@ 2:17 PM
Voting
The allowance for us JW's to vote was made for countries in which voting is mandatory EG: North Korea (and Australia of all places). If you do not vote in Australia you can lose your disability and/or welfare benefits. This will probably devastate many congregations there where the foodstamper and welfare "brothers" are numerous (They wouldnt be if they were allowed to get College/Jobskills), thus the allowance to vote. The HQ Bro.s can point out that issue of the Magazine that allows them to vote to the media and say, "See, we allow voting". But then they have CO talks disavowing voting and threatening DA, DF'ing to the rank and file who actually try it. The Voting Ban also pertains to taking or running for small community offices, Boards and committees. If you want to watch an Elder turn beet red and go ape-crazy just tell him you're thinking of voluteering for a little community board/committee, PTA etc.. Chalk it up to Theocratic Warfare.

Amanda in Maine Friday, June 15, 2007
@ 2:07 PM
Hi Everyone!
Hi all, I love you guys and I miss all my EX-JW friends. I just have been busy. I give my love to all the Survivors of Abuse and all others. I hope people can find some healing here at Silentlambs. Hugs and more hugs, Amanda Read my LJ Blog here: http://amandamaei.livejournal.com

NF19 Friday, June 15, 2007
@ 12:15 PM
voting
I still don't get it. If the WT says it's okay to vote in Europe but not in the US, isn't that lying? How come you said it's derogatory to point out the conflict. I remember studying with a WT person who told me about Malawi. how come they can have different rules in different countries? I don't think that is derogatory, I think it is wicked and they are liars. If I wasn't accurate, now the truth is known. So how do we know the WT doesn't teach different rules about child abuse in different nations? Maybe they say they must report it in some nations and in others they say they don't report it cause it's the father's job? Jesus called them worse names than I did when they did that.

Ruben Friday, June 15, 2007
@ 11:28 AM
Hello Silent Lambs
I am not an abuse victim, but my heart goes out to each and every one of you that are. I am an ex-Jehovah's Witness because I discovered that what they teach is an INTERPRETATION of the Bible, an interpretation that has ruined lives. What Bill and Janet does here is a blessing to those that have suffered at the hands of these heartless beasts that dare call themselves "Christians." Thanks to their twisted reasoning they have made the "organization" a breeding ground for these pedophiles. I would like to say something to all the victims here: You have the power to change your life and the lives of others! You can allow what they have done to break you...or you could take it and allow it to make you. You are powerful beyond your very own imagination, you are a creator that can take the path of your life and make it what you want! The power to forgive is powerful, but never let them forget, do not allow this to continue! Your bravery in speaking out against this is an inspiration, and what you do could make a difference! I admire all of you for the mere fact you are still standing and breathing! You are all heroes and masters of your destiny! Thank you for fighting against injustice! Thank you for your bravery!

NF19 Tuesday, June 12, 2007
@ 6:45 PM
Some comments
I wanted to say I checked the voting thing it said now a jw can do what they want to. A long time ago you could not vote ever for any reason. The watchtower changed their minds again. How come no one complains about this? I think people who are jw's read this page, so how come they don't quit? The wt lies and always keeps changing there minds all the time. How can god like them if they say different things about god all the time. They are bad people to teach lies to people about god.------------------------------------------------------ silentlambs reply- JWs are not allowed to vote, the wt 11/99 "QFR" was written to pacify other countries in which voting was a basis for denial of recognition as a religion. The article gives tactical approval for voting as a matter of conscience but six months later CO's gave a special talk on their congregational visit informing all USA members that voting was a da offense. Most never even read the article and considered the CO talk just a confirmation of doctrine. As you can see there is a need for accuracy when mentioning WT issues and some comments may not be posted that are overly derogatory.

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