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Geo C Friday, September 7, 2007
@ 9:52 PM
JW's OK
Geo I have known many JW’s over the past eighteen years and the majority of them have always been good to people. Off and on for about seven years I have studied with a number of them and find that they teach the bible quite well. How I came to realize this is, after studying with them for a number of years I up and joined another Church, and the JWs continued to answer my questions even though I joined another. The questions that I was asking the pastor of my church he could not even attempt to answer, And when he tried, he was so far off what it says in the Bible that it shocked me. I have since moved but I can not join the JWs because I told the Pastor that I would never join another, and to my word I am true. I may want to join another but that would be like Jesus dieing for the sin that Adam put on us, And then take back his life on this earth in bodily form. That would be what my father use to call an Indian giver… I also know by research that I have done over many years that blood is not good to take either by mouth or by IV None are perfect. Like was said: Let the one who is without sin throw the first stone!! All of you are brave because so many are throwing stones that you think it’s OK to join in, But think again!!! Have a nice day… Geor ------------------------------Silentlamb modorater Geo Thank you for posting, your involvement is appreciated. On this site we appreciate hearing form Witness supporters along with everyone else. It is not the goal of this site to draw people away from the organization it is to make people aware of the abuse problem within it, and to encourage a change. We continue to encourage posters to keep the subject on abuse and victims, rather than doctrinal issues such as the blood issue.

adrienne Friday, September 7, 2007
@ 3:30 AM
Thanks
Thanks for your lovely answer. I went through a lot when I was with the j.w's. Once when they were studying with my x husband they were talking about our personal life, our sex life was the hot topic of the week. I thought that should have been a private thing, but Oh no! My whole life was dragged through the mud. I confronted them both the elder and my x husband, they were shocked that I should have the nerve to do so. Woman are looked down on and kept in there place. I do believe they were one of the reasons our marriage was bad and I will have to live with that, but they were the ones that kept me in an abusive marriage for years. My children suffered many things and I was unable to think for myself. Its as if your stuck in limbo and unable to have a mind of your own. Oh how I wish I'd had the courage to get out before I did. When my son Mark drowned although they were supportive at the beginning, I was then left alone to get on with it. I was not allowed to mourn as this was looked upon as a weakness. When they said I would never see him again as he was not one of them it was the best thing they could have said as this touched a nerve and thought , I know he walks with me in my memory and they cant take him away from me. It was then I decided to get out. I had to have an injunction on my husband and the jws as they went into my work place asking questions they sent individuals to my home to pester me, poison pen letters, so i sent a letter to end all contact with them, they know say I'm dead in there eyes and refuse to speak to me. People I have helped in kindness and giving them money in the pass no longer speak to me in the street. This is a small town but I am no longer afraid of them. I now have an open mind and view things in a loving way as regards all things in my life I'm grateful to God for getting me out of it and being able to tell people, don't go there, beware of the knock at the door. They don't call on me anymore I am dead in there eyes, but have lost some friends through it that are still trapped inside the jws. Maybe they will see. My life may have been very different if I had not listened I wish I could write a book on it, but I wouldn't give them the publicity they wouldn't be allowed to read it anyway. They will have to answer one day for harming so many people . I am so grateful to you for I have been unable to talk about it for years I fear I am still angry there was so much abuse its unbelievable. And because of there policy the abuse will go on.

J.R. Thursday, September 6, 2007
@ 10:11 PM
Abuse Cover-up
Comments: First, as a Priest grows in the Church what happens to them. Some of them get promoted. When they get promoted, what do they do about the crimes they have committed and what do they do about other Abusive Priests they find out or know about??? NOTHING All of the Abusive Priests and Everybody That HAS or IS CURRENTLY covering up any abuse is committing the crime of Conspiracy. Conspiracy attaches itself to every crime in America and has NO Statue of Limitations. When this Conspiracy crosses State lines, it bring in Federal Jurisdiction. That means ALL participents can be charged in either State or Federal Court, and should be! Would it suprise anyone to find out that the Sexual Abuse in the Catholic Church is more widespread then anyone realizes. The Pope was himself a Priest at one time, he got promoted within the heirachy of the church, as do others. Abusive Priests get promated to!!! How high up does the abuse go, can ANY Catholic Priest be trusted? The people that attend the Catholic church must wake-up and realize that these Priests are feasting, yes feasting on our Children. They are Vampires, sent straight from the depths of Hell to rob them of their Innocence. They must be stopped at ALL costs. We as a Society must send a Clear Message to the Catholic Church and the Pope, Leave our children alone. We must all take part of the blame for allowing this to go on so long without taking action. We must act soon, or our children will continue to pay. As I write this, some child is being terrorized by a Priest, it will NOT stop untill Everything is brought to light, even if it means the dismantling of the Catholic Church in America. Respectfully, J.R.

m711 Thursday, September 6, 2007
@ 9:24 AM
slander
I find it very interesting that elders tell ones that have been abused but can't prove it not to slander the abuser. Hum, elders can slander anyone they want and nothing ever will happen to them. An example is the letter that goes with your publisher record card when you change congregations. Ask to read it. Hypocrites!

FJS Wednesday, September 5, 2007
@ 6:54 PM
To SKB
My answer to your question is to call the police in your local area and tell them they are disturbing your peace. Make something up. Believe me, they are a nuisance. Take care.

Wednesday, September 5, 2007
@ 3:18 PM
To DJB
Whew! You, too, have been through so much! I liked your post and your analogy of Esau and Jacob and your contrasting Esau to the WTB&TS. You made some very good points in your posts! They are very thoughtful and thought provoking. I am sorry for what you also have been through! It sounds as if you have tried so hard to be a good Christian, to be strong. You have been a good example and role model to your children! Again, I appreciate your intelligent and insightful comments and questions in your e-mail! I wish you and your children the best! I hope you keep coming to Silentlambs for support and friendship. Hang in there, and take good care!!

m711 Wednesday, September 5, 2007
@ 2:47 PM
powerful
DJB powerful words but true! They need to have an accounting for their actions and not just about abuse!

Wednesday, September 5, 2007
@ 2:06 PM
To Adrienne
Hello, Adrienne, I am so sorry about all you have been through thanks to the JW religion! Nobody should have to suffer like that! I am sorry about the loss of your son. That must have been devastating, and then to be told you would never see him again, as he was not a JW was totally cruel! It makes you wonder where are these people's heads! Where are their hearts?! It's a sicko religion and there is absolutely no excuse for what it puts people through! I am glad you got away from your abusive husband and sorry about the way he was coddled while you were treated like dirt! Unfortunately, this seems to be a common story among the JW 'rank and file'. I am happy for you that you are no longer a part of this "religion" and that you got away from your abusive husband! You said the JWs put "the fear of God in you". How ironic since a religious faith should put feelings of faith and joy in a person. The religion, thanks to the WTB&TS gives people totally wrong and merciless message. The fear that people in the 'rank and file' feel is really of the sly and devious WTB&TS, not God. God is not like the WTB&TS. I am sorry you are so haunted by all that you and your children went through, and I hope you find strength and healing through the support and help you will get here at Silentlambs! You have caring and loving friends here. Please let us help you heal.

DW Wednesday, September 5, 2007
@ 11:06 AM
divorces
I just made a call to you, lambs. Apparently there is a huge volume of calls! HMMM, what does that tell me? My nephew married one, had a child, then divorced. She said religion would have nothing to do with it, as I cringed. Over the next 3 yrs, I saw what a bad mother/wife she was, not that my nephew is easy to live with. Their son is now going thru this mess-not the divorce, but becoming a little pioneer? I see it in his eyes. So wide open. Like he's on drugs. In the wizard of Oz, he says Dorothy is going to a new system?? Yet, he doesn't know his abc's??? If a Baptist or Catholic did this, it would be all over the news. This jw family is the one who decides when my nephew can see the kid? Throwing false allegations at him, having social services intervene? What if he ends up in foster care? Will it be our side's fault? I was a foster parent for many years. This stuff is like a drug to them. "Investigating." duh, what? I knew this group was crazy, but not this bad! It will ruin both my nephews. The disgusting part, is that their doctor is doing the mandating. Is he in their cult too? Gee, does he do blood? This should be checked out, how many patients has he hurt?? I am out of state, so it's difficult to keep on this case. And what lawyer will even touch this? "God" forbid! The consequences will not be good. I thought Mormons were bad? Hah, at least they have good genealogy. If Jehovah’s are so against everything, why are they on websites? I worked with one and I asked why they never celebrated holidays; 'because Jesus didn't.' duh, HE DIDN'T DRIVE EITHER. Or watch TV! You j witlesses are just that- witless. No wonder you are so miserable, and molest. In fact this ex wife was also abused! I'm thinking a member of her coven molested my nephew, now they are trying to cover it up! I will go to every newspaper I can think of.

Sandra Tuesday, September 4, 2007
@ 10:39 AM
Who do you believef? Gods word or the magazine & books of men?
Who are those who have a thirst for truth, to listen to? The Bible which says ".....they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true." (Acts 17:11) Or this from the Watchtower religion? Translated from the German 09/07 Kingdom Ministry (an in-house publication only for members) ------------------ Question Box Quote “Does the faithful and discreet slave approve of Jehovah's Witnesses independently getting together to examine and debate Biblical topics? No. Nevertheless, some who are associated with our organization have taken it upon themselves to arrange meetings in order to independently examine Bible topics. Some are occupied with the Biblical Hebrew and Greek, in order to examine the accuracy of the New World Translation. Others investigate scientific topics which have to do with the Bible. Websites and chartrooms have been furnished so that opinions can be exchanged and debated. Also public conferences were held and books where made in order to supplement our meetings and study materials. Gods people receive plentiful Bible training and encouragement through congregation meetings as well as publications from Jehovah's Organization. Jehovah ensures that all of his servants under this arrangement are given his word of truth, so that they "may be fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought" and "built up in him and being stabilized in the faith" (1 Cor 1:10; Col 2:6,7) We are certainly grateful for all of the spiritual food Jehovah has given in these last days. Therefore the "faithful and discreet slave" does not approve of any literature, websites, or meetings not under its direction. (Matt 24:45-47) It is praiseworthy that someone might want to learn more in order to help the spreading of the good news. But personal efforts should not divert away from that which Christ Jesus provides for our direction. The Apostle Paul warned in the first century about "questions for research rather than a dispensing of anything by God in connection with faith." As Christians we should avoid "foolish questionings and genealogies and strife and fights over the Law" because they are useless and futile. (Tit 3:9) If any would like to study the Bible in more detail individually they can use the book “All Scripture Is Inspired of God and Beneficial”. They may also want to consider other publications of ours that deal with prophetic prophecies such as Daniel. Contained in them are more than enough material for an in depth Bible study, by which we may be "filled with the accurate knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual comprehension, in order to walk worthily of Jehovah to the end of fully pleasing [him] as YOU go on bearing fruit in every good work. (Col 1:9,10) “ End of Quote The problems which exist in this religion are due to much deeper roots. Authority over followers. Crimes will continue because this group has not let its members hold them accountable. As long as the members remain followers of men (the governing body) then they will be captive by men. This is not just a sick branch on an otherwise healthy tree. The Watchtower is not Gods exclusive representative on this planet. Read the Christian Greek scriptures to find out who truly is........................................Silentlambs moderator. Typically we try not discuss doctrinal issues on this guestbook, we try to maintain the topic for discussion centered around abuse. This subject actually is a very good example of why abuse is such a problem within the organization. To quote Sandra “The problems which exist in this religion are due to much deeper roots. Authority over followers. Crimes will continue because this group has not let its members hold them accountable.” Because such restriction is put on going out side the organization to find answers and knowledge, members do not see how bad the abuse problem is, they are not allowed to examine it for themselves or listen to the many victims. Therefore members see the molestation problem as a small issue which has only effects a small few publishers and congregations.

vjb Tuesday, September 4, 2007
@ 2:55 AM
former witness
Am a former witness who was very bitter after leaving the org. Took years but now have accepted Christ, and not the org. as my savior Am now very active in my church and no longer bitter but feel sorrow for all those who follow an org. rather than Christ. THERE REALLY IS LIFE AFTER LEAVING THE ORG IF WE GIVE OUR HEART TO CHRIST AND FOLLOW HIM

DJB Monday, September 3, 2007
@ 7:44 PM
Everything in question?
Everything was put into question when I began realizing that child abuse was happening on a family level then realizing the situation was much bigger than we were (internationally) was horrifying. The solution needed, I began to realize, was more than just for us. It was more than fixing our little corner of the world. Our world and everything we believed in came under test. Everything suddenly was put into question!!!! Did I become a witness easily? No it was not easy. When I originally wanted to get baptized I was turned down. I had to wait. Up to this time I had to attend meetings 3 times a week and study once a week and preach every Saturday. I was handling my own calls and speaking to those at the door from the age of 6. I was baptized by age of 13. Not to celebrate Christmas or birthdays was difficult we were often taunted in school. It was not easy. As an adult my witness husband gave me a hard time, said I was too into the religion, as I would aux. pioneer and would go out often, with my three babies, walking everywhere. I didn't believe it easy. If I was not a worker I would have quit long time ago. When my husband turned out to be a molester it put everything into question that I had worked so hard for. I left my husband and fled to another city. I viewed myself and my children as early Christians who had to flee persecution. I looked at it like we were being persecuted for trying to serve Jehovah. Jesus said his followers would be persecuted like he was. Jesus was perfect and was innocent when he was hung on a tree. How more innocent a victim then a child who is molested etc. In Israelite times when they were offering their children in sacrifice to the God Molech the scriptures say it didn't even come up into God's heart to ask such a thing. Also with the example of Abraham when he was willing to sacrifice Isaac, Jehovah sent an angel and stopped him. It shows us that God would never require us to sacrifice our children or hurt them in any form in his service. It should never be a price of doing business. The means should never justify the end. To be considered God's Friend we would have to do as Abraham who obeyed and did not sacrifice/hurt his son. How did Jehovah feel when the Israelites offered their children to the God Molech? Did he tolerate their apostate practices involving their children? Jehovah allowed the outside nations to come in to punish them......................... The Governing Body must realize that they have to answer for their actions whether in near future say in a court of law, but also to God for what they have allowed because their traditions (Watchtower Policies) that make the word of God invalid, as Jesus warned the religious leaders of his day. I ask them which brother are you? Is is it Esau or is it Jacob? They for a time existed side by side and it became clear who was the one who God called. The prophecy came true the older did serve the younger. Not all of God's people in Israel were really children of God but of a promise (genes/related). Just because someone is a JW doesn't guarantee God's approval the same as with the two brothers Esau and Jacob or those in nation of Israel. The results was many stumbled. Jehovah promise an accounting. What kind of accounting will God find with the Watchtower Policy that the Governing body has in place? Are the results the same as in Israel? Is WT policy a stone for stumbling and has it become a rock-mass of offense? To those on the Governing Body which brother will you show yourself to be? All we want is a change in WT policy to protect the most vulnerable sheep......our Children. I ask again which brother will you show yourself to be? DJB

JB Monday, September 3, 2007
@ 9:55 AM
To SKB
"How do I know if the JW knocking at my door is a pedophile?" is a good question. You don't know, because the organization is busy shielding their perverts. If they won't expose them to members of their own congregation, why would anyone expect them to expose them to the "world"? A better question to ask is "How do I keep JW's from coming to my neighborhood?" The answer to that is to send a letter to your local congregation and tell them that you do not want them to visit your home and then advise all of your neighbors and everyone you know to do the same.

SKB Sunday, September 2, 2007
@ 9:40 AM
Question
How do I know that the Jehovah's Witness knocking on my door is not a pedophile?

adrienne Sunday, September 2, 2007
@ 8:54 AM
I was once a j w.
i was once j w. I lived with an abusive husband went to the elders for help they seen my daughter and myself on the street, no one would put us up for the night we had to go into a hotel to stay for safety after he turned us out of our home. They took him under their wing, made a fuss of him and put the blame on me. 25 years I served them. The best thing I did in life was to get out. When getting out I had poison pen letters sent me. My eldest daughter, it gave her mental problems and my youngest daughter could not go to school because of the pressure they put upon us. I feel so guilty. I wish I had never listened to them. They put the fear of god into me and I'm sure I was brainwashed by them. I lost my son in the middle of all this by drowning and they said I would never see him again because he was not a j.w. I was glad I had the strength to get away from them and get out of a bad marriage. I was eventually hit and injured by my now x husband and they stood by and did nothing but they continued to help him and welcome him into the kingdom hall when my divorce came through. Thankfully I now live a normal life but they will haunt me for the rest of my life.

Fred Saturday, September 1, 2007
@ 5:26 PM
Thoughts on the 2 eyewitness excuse
For each sexual abuse case there were at least 3 eyewitnesses of the incident. Jehovah, Jesus, and the victim saw or experienced that day. Therefore, 3 eyewitnesses were at the scene of the crime. The Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Armageddon will soon come. The organization may try to hide their wickedness from the governments but they will one day have their day in God's court. God, please have pity on their souls. Evidently, the 2 eyewitness rule will be thrown out of God's court as well.

MT Saturday, September 1, 2007
@ 1:11 PM
Poem about abusers
Seeds of Satan Are human abusers A waste of oxygen These human losers They take what they want Don't care what they leave They move on with their lives And the survivors grieve Parasites masked in human skin Filthy monsters, these women and men Heartless beings not worthy of air They walk on this earth without a care They turn innocent victims into their prey Abuse and raping to them is play For you Seeds of Satan You human abusers You are bastards from hell A bunch of losers

Wednesday, August 29, 2007
@ 8:34 PM
WT the Truth??? I doubt it.
The Watchtower organization is run by men. Old men. This is the biggest lie that God has this as an organization. The reason there is such a problem with people not being able to confront and deal with the sexual wrongs is because this man made group has made it out to be God itself. If this was Gods organization, some of the things printed in their publications would have come true. Any time a religion lies right from the get go about providing 'Bible Studies' which in real truth only turn out to be Book Studies of mans writings, then it is built on a foundation of sand. The Watchtower publications are to the Jehovah's Witness what the Book of Mormon is to the Latter Day Saints. No one can advance without this understanding.

George Wednesday, August 29, 2007
@ 7:40 PM
Way to go SKB
Emailing or typing a letter to your Congressman/Congresswoman is a good way to let them know of this growing issue. Thanks SKB for the website links. The Jehovah's Witnesses are two-faced in every way. Donating to their work is donating to their pedophile paradise. I am shocked that they would write an article on what children should do when faced with a sexual deviant Elder/Ministerial Servant. This seems to be a public relations move on their part. How disgusting!

Wednesday, August 29, 2007
@ 1:22 PM
Newsletter
When I read the most recent newsletter about the pedophile cover-up in the UK and came across words like prestigious, honor, and prominent, I was extremely put off, repulsed that a religion would consider these things important. Humility is what is important. Those other terms implicate arrogance, pompousness, and haughtiness as being what counts. I remember a few elders who behaved as though they were 'entitled' to those characteristics, which are not qualities, but are rather flaws. For any elders to treat the 'rank and file' as less than the "privileged" elders is disgusting! I have no use for these people acting as though they are better than others. They are not! They are servants, stewards of the congregations, and they should act humble and caring. This is not to say that no elders do act like that. I remember some very kind, caring, and conscientious elders, also. But, being elders should not be about status, prestige. It should be about serving and caring. It should be about putting victims first, ahead of the people who have harmed them. Pedophiles being put first and covering up their crimes is criminal in itself! Where are people's heads?!

ROBIN Wednesday, August 29, 2007
@ 1:03 PM
I still very much believe in Jehovah
I too was molested by an elder at age 5. I dealt with it silently all of my life thinking I was the one to blame for the situation. I still very much love and believe in Jehovah. And I believe in the Truth. I just feel that this organization has somehow lost the Holy Spirit. They are conducting too much on their own understanding. And in denial of many things! Jehovah will see Justice soon for all of mankind! Dear Brother Bowen, I am sorry you were disfellowshipped for something you stood strong for! -Robin

Silentlambs Wednesday, August 29, 2007
@ 11:47 AM
Thank you for donations to Silentlambs
We wanted to take a moment to give a heartfelt thanks to those who contributed to our work here at Silentlambs this last month. Our mission is to educate the public and communicate with Media about the horrific abuse within the Jehovah's Witness organization, and how it is covered up. It is also our responsibility to give abuse survivors a platform to speak out about their abuse, and we appreciate your emails and comments from those of you here on our GuestBook. Any donation, whether large or small will help us keep the website up and continue to provide this educational work. As you know, the cost of this work does not go away. We hope for your continued support in the future. We will be sending those who contributed by mail, a written acknowledgment. Please keep this for your tax records. Once again, thanks for your support. "If we can protect one child from abuse through education, it is worth a lifetime of sacrifice."

JB Wednesday, August 29, 2007
@ 8:57 AM
To Socrates
I completely agree with your analysis of what helps to acquire and maintain members of the JW's. Something must be working for them, or they wouldn't continue to turn their backs on abused women and children in their midst and lose blood family members in the process. My mother had a reputation for being wild in her teen and young adult years, so being a JW is her only source of credibility. It's very sad for them but even more so for those who have been both abused and abandoned, the Silent Lambs. I thought for many years that there was something evil about me that caused both the abuse and the abandonment. For those of you going through it right now, I hope you come to realize that none of it is your fault. Disfellowshipping victims and the resulting abandonment by friends and family is an evil tactic employed by the WTB&TS to control their remaining "sheep".

ME Tuesday, August 28, 2007
@ 6:43 PM

Another way we can help this website as it helps victims is by telling other people of it, for example through email lists we have or by posting about it on forums.

Socrates Tuesday, August 28, 2007
@ 5:59 PM
Amely,
You said that you don’t understand how people get so easily persuaded to believe. I feel like it comes down to needs. I think each individual has something that they need in their life. And when they were contacted by someone, regardless of what religion they belong to, that person provided what they needed. My mother for example had a very hard upbringing, abused sexually, physically, mentally, and emotionally. She had no one, no real relationship with her family. The man and women that came to her in the door to door ministry work provided the illusion of a family, and a hope for a better future then the life that she had experienced. Whether or not that family and hope were real, doesn’t matter, she believed it was, so she decided to take hold of it. And nothing can turn her against it now. She has lost a son in death, she has lost relationships with another son, and 2 grandchildren because she is told that she had to in order to keep that family and hope. But she feels that it provides what she needs and so that’s all that matters to her. That is human nature unfortunately.

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