mt	Wednesday, January 3, 2007 @ 9:28 AM
praing to God Yes you are right. nobody can dictate what you may do or not may do. Now I have no problem at all to pray to God. But it took a long time before I could do that, because I really believed as I was told, that if you leave JW, you are not allowed to talk to God anymore. He will not listen to you. After 5 - 6 years I started to pray. It felt good. And I feel that God now is listening and answering my prayers, in a way I did'nt feel while I was a member. But all their words is stocked in the head. And it's difficult to let them control the thoughts. But it help's a lot, and it's getting better. But it takes time.
Herbert	Thursday, January 4, 2007 @ 9:03 PM
Can anyone help? Is anyone able to help me with my sister? I was the only Witness in our family, but I left the WT movement for good 15 years ago over doctrinal issues. My sister still bears a grudge against us (my mother and me); she was sexually abused at age 5 by our father, and it came out only 25 years later, when she told us. She thinks we should have konwn about it. But how could we - my mother had her own marital problems (later she divorced that man), and I was only nine at that time. My sister didn't visit my mother a single time when she suffered from Alzheimer's and had to be nursed, she even didn't come to her funeral. She only refers to mother as "that woman". How can I win my sister over again, after all that happened already nearly 50 years ago? By the way, my sister is happily married and has four (grown-up) children; I was never married. Warm regards, Herbert from Germany
Herbert	Saturday, January 6, 2007 @ 2:35 AM
Re: My previous post / to MAN Hi, M.A.N. thank you for our kind and considerate words; all the more so since I know from your posts that you suffer from abuse in your family yourself. No, my mother didn't know either. My father is dead, too. And my sister went to therapy, so often that her husband, my brother-in-law, once said to me they might as well have been able to build a house from the money they spent on her therapy. Even if I had known I could not have done something about it as a 9 year old boy. And we both suffered from that father's abuse; she sexually, I myself physically. So we later developed the same disorder (borderline). My only hope is that she does not mean me personally, but the circumstances I stand for, the town, the house where I live (whoch now is my own). I really would like to see her again after 24 years, and to learn to know my niece and nephews. Greetings to you and all the lambs, Herbert
M.A.N.	Saturday, January 6, 2007 @ 11:09 AM
News First, you are welcome Herbert. I hope things work out for you. I just received the newsletter about the Canadian situation. It mentioned that the authorities found the JW elders "uncooperative". Why are none of us surprised at this? Shouldn't the elders rush to make sure justice is done and that the victim is receiving professional care. (I don't even want to comment on how the abuser got off, I need to keep my blood pressure down.) If the fact that child abuse occurs so much in the WT doesn't bring this cult down, perhaps what will do it is how the elders handle abuse cases. From that point of view, that can be even more disgusting than the fact that the abuse rate is so high among JW's in the first place. But then when you have elders and the WT playing games, stalling, lying, misleading the media, and all the other nonsense, then maybe this will seal their fate. One thing we can always ask them is if Jesus would do things this way. I keep hearing that Jehovah is using the WT no matter what they do. My question in return is "Even if they acted just like the Nazis?" Their answer would probably be "Wait on Jehovah". I'm not waiting any longer while innocent children are harmed. It's time for the WT to go. Permanently.
mt	Sunday, January 7, 2007 @ 4:10 AM
Greetings M.A.N. I have some god news here from Denmark. JW lost a case against our news paper Ekstra Bladet. They went to the court angains them, and wanted them ponnished for injurier. Hope you understand my bad english. In the courtroom, one of the leaders, had to admit that they did,nt exclude members who had abused a child, but that they did exclude members for much lesser actions. It also came forward, that there are 23.000 cases of abusing in their archives. They loose. I could'nt agree more. No witnesses on earth. Maby this is a step more. mt---------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ silentlambs reply-Would it be possible to provide any links to the news story about this win? If not could you provide a brief synopsis of what happened and we will put it up on the website. silentlambs
AB	Sunday, January 7, 2007 @ 5:42 PM
Posted sign to direct people to SilentLambs.org website I have found it a great success by posting signs in malls and grocery stores to the silentlambs.org web site. The following message is being posted on the sign: "Learn more about Jehovah's Witnesses...www.silentlambs.org." See its very simple, not wordy at all. Grocery stores are good because people need to go to them. Imagine how many people go to grocery stores everyday.
Catherine Manna	Thursday, January 11, 2007 @ 4:23 PM
William Bowen I would like to say that what you are doing is a great and wonderfull thing in my site and in Gods site. and many many good people out there, you are very muched loved. Your works will definitly not go unoticed, for i believe that God is with you all the way, as a matter of fact he is couning on you to do this work. He has blessed you with this work for his clean people to shine and be strengthened and to continue having that hope for a better life, full of trust, happiness and true love. Keep on Moving, God is with you dont ever give up, he has given you this job. and he is so so pleased with you! I believe in you William Bowen!!! and so does Yahweh, Jehovah God...amen..
GSK	Thursday, January 11, 2007 @ 7:07 PM
Jehovah Witnesses Pedophile Protection Program a Pandemic problem It seems to me that the Jehovah's Witnesses/Watchtower Bible and Tract Society has a pandemic problem on their hands. This has brought great reproach on Jehovah God.
MSM	Friday, January 12, 2007 @ 5:12 PM
Very Grateful I am so grateful that an organization has come together (silentlambs.org) to protect our children, and provide help and support to formerly abused ones. May God help and bless you in the fight against the Evil WT Society.
Catherine Manna	Saturday, January 13, 2007 @ 9:05 PM
Amen! God is with you! never give up hope. Never give up on love. Believe in yourself, believe in God, he will make everyones path straight, if you believe in him. God is just, and that is why Silent lambs is here! He has made this happen, because he does love his sheep and he does care for them! I believe that!and he cares! Prasie Yahweh!! heavenly father, he has blessed you Bill with this very important work. Thank God for you that you have done this, even though you may have lost your former family, and friends, God is with you. all the more...you have found a special place in his heart, you care about his sheep and there is no crime in that. You are not guilty, or anything you are doing what is wright, in Gods site. Full steam ahead!! In the name of our wonderfull heavenly father and creator YHWH he is with you. God bless! Catherine Manna
Steven	Sunday, January 14, 2007 @ 8:09 AM
The world needs more people like you! It gives me great hope to see your organization taking on the Watchtower Society and calling them out on their insane child endangering doctrines. They must be exposed, and stopped. Silentlambs.org is a bold voice of reason, a fountainhead of information, and also a beacon of hope to those kids who have been subjected to the worst kind of abuse, fostered by twisted Watchtower world. Only prisons need watchtowers. Thank you so much, Steve, proud parent and WT watcher.
J.Doe	Sunday, January 14, 2007 @ 9:50 AM
I only recently found this web-site, and was shocked about the information about child abuse. But then I came to think about a TV program sent in swedish television in -04. Then i suddenly remembered and saw the connection between Silentlambs and the WT. At the time I could not really deal with it, put it back in to my mind.No I know! I live in Scandinavia, and there are no information in any paper or web-sites about Silentlambs. At least not in Norway. Are they having the same problems as the rest of the world or not? I do wonder.. Anyway, keep up the good work!
SG	Saturday, January 20, 2007 @ 9:30 AM
LIKE OLD AMERICA I was thinking the other day about all of this. The Governing Body of JWs is like old America where incest was kept a family secret, children were raped by relatives, women by their husbands and all was to be kept "Shsh! shsh!" The person who revealed it was ostrasized and considered a trouble maker. Also, education was frowned upon. In some communities, talking to outsiders was considered dangerous. The Society is a product of old America. Also, going to a psychiatrist was discouraged and mental illness was blamed solely on demon possession. Just think of how many shcitzaphrenics injured themselves or someone else because they listened to the Governing Body and did not get the proper medical help. Think of all the people who may have commited suicide from depression.
TB	Saturday, January 20, 2007 @ 8:18 PM
JW Mental Illness I concur with SG on there being a prevalence of Mental Illness among JW's. I have personally known several brothers and at least one sister that have either committed suicide or attempted it. The Elders dont even acknowledge mental illness in the ranks. It's referred to as "Depression". That one buzz-term covers everything from Manic-Depression (Bipolarism) to paranoia to Psycotic behavior, as well as to simple depression. That's why when Elders are mentally wacko, the other Elders dont delete him or try and stop his predations. For the rank and file "Brothers" it's even a bit chic to be depressed. It shows you're sensative and usually gets you some attention and the rare compassion that JW's ever show one another. I beleive at least twenty to twentyfive percent of JW's have some form of mental illness or at least depression. This is hard to diagnose by outsiders looking at us as there will be quick denials to all but elders. The Elders usually actively discourage professional help and in their "Shepherding" sessions (Confessionals to the Elders) they ferret out/glean details about everyone's weaknesses, including the taking of anti-depressants. They usually try their hardest to get the JW to quit anti-depressants, usually with tragic results. I know of one young adult that has gotten off of them due to the Elder's urging and this person has went through sheer agony. I fully predict that this person will probably commit suicide in a year or two unless he/she starts to see the utter stupidity of uneducated Elders practicing medicine. When I say uneducated, I mean in their 30's and home-schooled. And it's these guys who are micro-managing everyone's lives down to the tiniest detail. I wont go through all the dozens of things that can make JW's depressed, I think other sites do that quite well, but the sheer pressure of Elders bearing down on all of us JW's and making everyone fearful can contribute mightily to it. The love in the congs has really dried up, it's nothing but an atmosphere of fear now. Our top leadership has failed to promote love in the ranks and the lower leadership has picked up on that and has decided that fear will work nicely.
HRC	Sunday, January 21, 2007 @ 6:18 AM
WTBTS -- $111 million dollars and growing "During the 2006 service year, Jehovah's Witnesses spent over $111 million in caring for special pioneers, missionaries, and traveling overseers in their field service assignments." -- 2007 Yearbook of Jehovah's Witnesses. That sure is a lot of spending for a religion that tells us that we should simplify our life. Did Jesus Christ spend that much during his ministry? What was Jesus' focus while he was in his ministry? Would Jesus approve of this type of spending? This religion seems to have lost control of what the most important thing in life is. If the Jehovah's Witnesses have spent over $111 million dollars, they must have made over $111 million dollars. Do you know of many companies that are non-profit companies that spend that type of money? The company that I work for made $20 million dollars less and they are a for-profit company. I find it hard to figure out why the Jehovah's Witnesses are a non- profit company. When this religion points the finger at other religions gouging their practioners of money, they are no different. Many articles in their magazines have pointed out ways the Jehovah's Witnesses can donate to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. These types of articles were never mentioned in the Watchtower 50 - 60 years ago. The United States government needs to recognize that the Jehovah's Witnesses are a "for-profit" company and tax them accordingly.
SBA	Sunday, January 21, 2007 @ 12:57 PM
Watchtower Men Exposed for protecting Pedophiles It is my God-ordained responsibility to tell the world of people who protect pedophiles. SL REPLY---------------------------------------------------- We agree that it is everyones responsibility to report known pedophiles to the proper authorities. However, due to liability issues we can not post specific names of those thought to be or known to be harboring or aiding pedophiles. There is a category on our home page where you can list known pedophiles and the congregations they are currently or previously known to have served in. We strongly suggest that if you have information that the men you listed are engaging in such activities you contact your local police department immediately.
Catherine Manna	Monday, January 22, 2007 @ 10:31 PM
Repent.... I have a site called house of israel...just because...to me the house of israel, is any person that in there heart, love and follow God, no one else...or at least tries....so last week i called JR Brown...I left 2 messages. I hope that he listen to them, they were very important. i said......You must repent for your sins, 6 millions people....the end is near,,, The messiah will come very soon this is my message to you Mr JR Brown, and it comes from God....Now you that are reading this, tell me is that not true? In the name of our heavenly father, where there are lies, deception, and a tract that misleads 6 million people, that in turn mislead the whole entire inhabited earth with this message, that they are a clean organization that they follow and that they are not guilty of the gross sins, Incest, but the rest of the world is, is not only a lie, but a serious deception that all will be held accountable for responsible for, and judged for... there is no excuse for abuse, no pardon for this is no mere error and cannot be swept under a carpet, like dust.God isnt stupid, everyone will have the chance to hear the word, hear the truth, judgement is unescapable, and i wont give up on God, he is just and he is love. He will direct his people to expose evil, and wickedness. I urge you who love our creator, to write call make a petition, sign it, let them hear your voice, the voice of truth. God is with...and he will guide you in your sincere efforts to speak the truth and help those victems, Believe in something good, Good will happen, Believe in something Bad, more bad will continue...dont stop the fight to do what is wright, because in fact you are fighting for God when you do this, and you are fighting against Satan, ...so be strong and believe you can make a difference. and do it. peace..and may God bless you allways.....catherine manna
SBA	Wednesday, January 24, 2007 @ 7:53 AM
Report those who PROTECT pedophiles This site mentions quite a few people by name who have been victims of the abuse of JW. Companies that willfully do illegal activities, such as embezzelement of company funds. The CEO is held responsible and is likely to face a judicial hearing. The name of the CEO is made known to the public and to the press. Likewise, the names of those who PROTECT pedophiles should also be made known to the public and the press. Those names are heads of the WTBTS.
Joy N	Thursday, January 25, 2007 @ 2:39 PM
That is a quote from Steve's January 14th statement about the Watchtower Society of the Jehovah's Witnesses. Yes, only prisons need watchtowers; the JW organization is a mental prison for everyone involved in it. Thanks for posting your thought, Steve. It truly says it all and explains why pedophiles thrive there.
mt	Thursday, January 25, 2007 @ 4:00 PM
Thank you so much Thank you so much, for bringing this information, about Ekstra Bladet and their loose in december 2006. And I know I am talking in behave of my friends, who is suffering so much thiese days. They are going through a very toff time right now. So I am very greatfull, that thiss is coming out, also in this part of your world. Bill Bowen, I just wants to tell you, that you are doing a big difference, (hope its the right way I write this), here in our part of the world. All though, the members of Jehovah's witnesses, are telling me that it is an ugly web site. But there are so many people, who are using the sad stories, and the other evidence, that you are writing about, when they are telling others of abusing, here in Denmark. So thank you very much. A big help to many people. My regards MT
M.A.N.	Thursday, January 25, 2007 @ 9:46 PM
Re: Denmark court case A newsletter was released here on SL about the Denmark court case concerning the WT's lawsuit and abuse victims. Silentlambs released this material on the internet and you can access this information on the home page of the website for full details on the court case and newspaper articles. There are many fine points being made and those who post here or read the posts will learn much if they consider the information being posted. Thank you.
Kathy	Saturday, January 27, 2007 @ 2:40 PM
The New Golden Calf Hi. My name is Kathy. I cannot stand Jehovah's Witnesses. If they are in my neighborhood, I call the police and file a police report. When I came across the silent lambs web site, I was completely distraught. The child abuse program that Jehovah's Witnesses pursue reminds me of when Moses came down the mountain with the ten commandments and found the Israelites worshipping the golden calf. A purely disgusting thought. No wonder Moses was angry with the Israelites. Jehovah's Witnesses/Watchtower are allowing this disgraceful conduct amongst their leadership. God will destroy these people for their badness and their golden calf.
	Tuesday, January 30, 2007 @ 2:43 PM
Trying to understand Hello, I am trying so hard to understand the mindset of the Jehovah's Witness "higher ups", trying to understand how the WTBTS and the elders can claim that they are representing God while they protect pedophiles and punish the victims of pedophiles. No matter how hard I try I cannot fathom their mindset, their so-called "reasoning" about pedophilia amongst JWs. It just about makes my head feel like it is going to explode! There is no reasoning. It is just plain cruel what the WTBTS is doing and how it is leading and influencing the elders, who in turn deal bizarrely with pedophilia. The poor "rank and file" are having their heads messed with so much, they don't seem to be able to see what is really going on with regard to pedophilia! This is just plain crazy! It really IS enough to make your head feel as though it must burst trying to understand. It is NOT Christian to cover up for pedophiles and turn on the victims. How can these people POSSIBLY think they are behaving as Christians?! I could go on and on about the bizarreness of it all, the coldness, callousness of it all. Because these people who see themselves as truly Christian have become calloused toward chidren and teenagers who have been molested. They seem to be impervious to the pain of these kids! I am sorry for rambling on so much, but I keep thinking here about the way M.A.N.'s daughter was spoken to, the way she was treated by these "Christians" after she abused, and yet her mother stuck with the religion and kept her daughter in it, too. It's all just so crazy!
mt	Wednesday, January 31, 2007 @ 1:40 AM
trying to understand It's not possible to understand. They can not at all have Gods spirit. I was a JW for 8 years ago, and even though this should be as clear af crystal, that they are so wrong in the abuse cases, I still have problems to understand that it could'nt be the thruth. And it's kind of hunting me. So when I can feel that it's hard to understand, how easy is it to them, to manipulate the members which still is in the organisation. I did'nt know anything about all the abuse, while I was a JW. And those who still are JW, and have heard a litle about the cases from the news, are not aloud to talk about it inside. And they believe on the lies, that come from the organisation. So the phedofiles (hope I have spelled it right, I am from denmark and dont write so god in english) :) have all the space they want, to continuing abusing the children. And it's simply not to understand. You are absolutely right. JW in Denmark are even saying that silent lamb, is so fullfilled with lies. I just have had a bad discussion with a member, because he wrote: When I saw Dorthe Tveitis name on the side, it was enough to tell me that silent lamb are full with lies. And it's because Dorthe Tveiti can'nt proofe the hurrible abusing, her and her sister and cussin have been through. And in all the churches in Denmark, they have been saying that Dorthe Tveiti is a big lier. But I know Dorthe and her sister, as well as if they were my sisters, both of them. And I just know they are telling the thruth. And its frustrating that they can'nt profe it. So I say to my self, how on earth can I still believe that they have God's spirit? It just can'nt be Gods will, that the abused children must wait for God to take the evil away, and while they are doing that, they have to look at the abuser, and know that he can do it again and again and again and so on. mt
Maluenda	Wednesday, January 31, 2007 @ 11:44 AM
To MT It doesn't matter if your spelling or english is so good. Your message was quite clear. These people need to reassess their attitudes, their policies, and their changing policies. If these people are inspired by the one true God then why does the one true God change his mind so often? We aren't talking little things either. I post as much of this as I can on MSN:this week in breaking news and I'm looking for other news oriented places to post them as well. Just one more way to ge the word out. I make it a point to tell someone every day about Silent Lambs and the JWs. You'd be surprised how easy it is to strike up a conversation about it. Finally, all that magazine pedaling can be put to good use. Finally, to you MT. You're a fantastic friend to have. The people of Denmark and all the Silent Lambs are lucjy to have you around to champion their cause. Blessings to you!
mt	Friday, February 2, 2007 @ 2:36 PM
Problems getting free Hi Maluenda Thank you so much for your loving words. I was so touched so I got tears in my eyes. And I will always, talk in silents lambs favor. I am so happy, that someone is rising and talking the litle kid's causes. I wish we had such a thing in denmark. I would'nt mind. But I dont know how to get it worked. I know that this side, is a side for silents lambs. But I have a crises right now. And I am so scared and have my doubts about JV. Not that I am going back, but I am afraid. So I hope it is all right,that I write this in here. I would so much wish, that I could write a book about all this. Because if I can sit here after 8 years and feel so much pain and be so afraid of Armagedon, there must be so many people out there, with the same problems. I can see with my logic, that they just can'nt have the truth. But in my heart I feel different. And espaccely when I read on the danish web sites what they are writing. Inspice of all the stuff I have been reading about in the last month. Stocks in weapon and smoking facturyes. And Russell as a mansonry and so on. And off course all the poor childreen getting abused. Like my to girlfriends, which I love so much. Maby I am standing in front of, you know, soon everything is getting so clear, and the big emptyness. I dont know. What we all need, is that we all will discover that JW really is a falsh religion. Out to the public. I cant remember the word in english. But you know, when a robber is caught, he is ?......., Everybody could see that he was falsh. This is the best I can explain right now. I hope so much, that somebody can help. And sorry for using this side, with problems that are my own, and not about abusing. Sincerely mt
Maluenda	Friday, February 2, 2007 @ 2:55 PM
To MT I know you are feeling afraid and confused. So many of us here have gone through what you are feeling right now. You don't have to a victim of child or sexual abuse to suffer after leaving the JWs. Keep in mind that this is a cult. Cults brain wash you. This helps keep decent people in line with their thinking. It also makes you feel guilty when you think for yourself. I'm sure right now your heart is telling you that the right thing to do is to LEAVE this religion behind. This contradicts everything that you have been taught. It makes you feel guilty, unworthy, and afraid. Let me tell you my friend, we have all felt this. It will get better but it will take time to heal. We will be here to help you, encourage you, and to listen to your pain as it poors from your heart. I want you to remember that GOD, whether you call him Jehovah or not-loves you. You are worthy of the love of the creator-your creator. You are his child. Do you have children? Could you ever imagine killing one of them because they didn't do what you said was right. Or killing them because they didn't believe a certain way? No, of course not. It's a crazy thing to suggest. So why would your heavenly father kill you or destroy this beautiful earth? Every religion that claims to be Christian and the only true religion has claimed an armeggeddon would occur. Many, including the JWs have even given dates that the end would come. It hasn't happened and it won't happen. Love, the love taught by Jesus and GOD does not involve killing but forgiveness. It doesn't involve punishment, just love and forgiveness. Are you a good person? Not perfect, but always trying to do good? Then why would GOD want to kill you when he teaches love your neighbor as yourself. Remeber these things my friend and let us be there for you. You are on a hard road, but you're not alone, you're not unloved. We are here for you. Many blessings and much strength!!!!!!!
mt	Saturday, February 3, 2007 @ 4:56 AM
Thank you so much Hi Muluenda I cried so much when I read your answer. so full with loving and healing words. It's a very good explanation, that if I had children, would I kill them, because they believed something else. No offcourse not. I have children and I love them very dearly. And thank you for being there for me. It is a great help. You have had to been a JW, to understand how it is to leaving it. I just can't figure out, how to get ower it. How to feel completely free. I think as I wrote, that to see some prove that realy could tell that they are falshe, would help many people. But it's difficult to find. And I also think that I'm afraid of what I will feel. Because it has been filling my whole life. Somehow. So what shall I do with the big emptyness that will come. And what are there instead. If you can follow me. But thank you so much. It is a big reliefe finaly to talk about it. Many regards mt
HRC	Saturday, February 3, 2007 @ 6:16 AM
Worship the God of All Money Covetous acts of Jehovah's Witnesses Watchtower November 1, 2003: Cultivate a Giving Spirit Ways in Which Some Choose to Give CHARITABLE PLANNING In addition to outright gifts of money and conditional donations of money, there are other methods of giving to benefit Kingdom service worldwide. These include: Insurance: The Watch Tower Society may be named as the beneficiary of a life insurance policy or a retirement/pension plan. Bank Accounts: Bank accounts, certificates of deposit, or individual retirement accounts may be placed in trust for or made payable on death to the Watch Tower Society, in accord with local bank requirements. Stocks and Bonds: Stocks and bonds may be donated to the Watch Tower Society as an outright gift. Real Estate: Salable real estate may be donated either by making an outright gift or, in the case of residential property, by reserving a life estate to the donor, who can continue to live therein during his or her lifetime. Contact the branch office in your country before deeding any real estate. Gift Annuity: A gift annuity is an arrangement whereby one transfers money or securities to the Watch Tower Society. In exchange, the donor, or someone designated by the donor, receives a specified annuity payment every year for life. The donor receives an income-tax deduction the year the gift annuity is established. Wills and Trusts: Property or money may be bequeathed to the Watch Tower Society by means of a legally executed will, or the Watch Tower Society may be named as beneficiary of a trust agreement. A trust benefiting a religious organization may provide certain tax advantages. As the term “charitable planning” implies, these types of donations typically require some planning on the part of the donor. To assist individuals desiring to benefit the worldwide work of Jehovah’s Witnesses through some form of charitable planning, a brochure has been prepared in English and Spanish entitled Charitable Planning to Benefit Kingdom Service Worldwide. The brochure was written in response to the many inquiries received regarding gifts, wills, and trusts. It also contains additional useful information on estate, financial, and tax planning. It informs individuals of a variety of ways that gifts may be made either now or through a bequest at death. After reading the brochure and conferring with their own legal or tax advisers and the Charitable Planning Office, many have been able to assist Jehovah’s Witnesses worldwide and, at the same time, maximize their tax benefits of doing so. This brochure may be obtained by requesting a copy directly from the Charitable Planning Office.
HRC	Saturday, February 3, 2007 @ 6:38 AM
Jehovah's Witnesses a Moneyed Organization Do not be misled by smooth talkers. Watchtower Bible and Tract Society loves money. An organization that talks about simplicity of life, still advocates big money making and spending. As my previous post about the "Charitable Gifts" indicates a new way of thinking has been indicated in the Watchtower. About 70 years ago, the Watchtower never outlined in specific detail this type of Donation arrangement. As you can see the article was kind of bold. Almost a covetous way of pushing JW's into doing something that should be done privately and between us and Jehovah God. Are Jehovah's Witnesses being more like the churches of Christendom in this regard? Will the Watchtower find themselves taking Credit Card transactions eventually? Time will tell.
Maluenda	Saturday, February 3, 2007 @ 10:11 AM
To MT You feel empty right now because all that you knew is gone. All that you thought was right and true is false. A lie. It's hard for your head to accept what your heart knows deep inside you. It will take time. You will learn to fill your life with happiness, beauty, and most of all true love! You will be free to love unconditionally. You will learn that yes there are bad people in this world but they are a majority. Think about how many people you meet every day when you go to work, the store, etc. They smile at you, hold the door, laugh with you, coo over a baby with you. These are not satan worshipers! They are good people. You will learn to live! As you do you wil see how sheltered your life has been. How void of love and laughter. Real love that comes from your heart, real laughter that comes from deep inside and makes you feel good the rest of the day. The farther you walk away from the cult the easier it will be to see how false it is. You'll see your family in a whole new light. You'll love them more. It will be hard to celebrate holidays, at first it'll feel all wrong, you'll feel guilt. But do it anyway. The joy in your childrens eyes and hearts will melt away the fear and the guilt. Soon you'll see that these are expressions of love. You'll be free to love and grow. You know what is right and wrong. You know what real love is. Open up to it , open up to this wonderful world we've been given as a gift from GOD! You'll see how quickly your hear twill become full and even overflowing. You are in my prayers dear friend. I am always here!
M.A.N.	Saturday, February 3, 2007 @ 5:45 PM
To: HRC I'm glad you posted the material on donations. Again, we realize that the main purpose of SL is about abuse. But people continue to be healed by realizing that the WT is NOT God's organization and that they won't go to Hell or lose his favor if they quit. WT apologists and lurkers continue to accuse us of attacking their beliefs and actions. They follow the GB's quite clever and cute little articles about "what are the motives of these apostates and complainer"? This is classic propaganda, to divert the issue. Our motives are to help people NOT be abused in the first place, if they ARE abused to give them comfort, and to help them NOT to be abused ever again, we warn them of situations where abuse occurs and why. JW's suffer just about the highest rate of abuse of any religion precisely because they belong to a cult and they fear to break any of its rules. This sets them up for further abuse and the silencing of any past abuse. So it is necessary to expose who did it to the victims, how it was done, and why. Now to the donations. The WT couldn't last too long in court if they had no money, so any donations to the WTS actually are helping to keep rapists hidden in the congregations. They avoid jail time or the WT lawyers fight to hide the identities of the molesters. Many of you might remember the story we all read in high school "The Scarlet Letter", where Hester Prynne had to wear a large red "A" on her dress so the town knew her sin. I don't condone this, but in the case of abusers, the congregation should be told. In Florida, they publish a state-wide newspaper describing the abusers, with pictures, addresses, weight, height, tattoos, the works. In some cases, if one is spotted who is on the run (not having reported his change of address) citizens have arrested him by force. I find it perverted that the WT fights to hide the abusers (except from their own children) and the citizens (who are considered "scum" by the WT) care enough to do all that's needed to keep these animals in jail. Who has the better morals? You decide. Back to the money. The WT is obviously very knowledgeable and up to date about how to donate to the WTS. They continue to pump money from the JW's. Most JW's I know can't make ends meet because of not going to college or leaving good jobs in 1975. I would think the WT would be ashamed to ask for money. They should be giving every JW a pension instead of asking for money. I think HRC is right in that someday, the WT will have PayPal on its web site to take credit card donations. They have no shame. I strongly urge everyone not to give the WT one penny. Let them dismiss Bethel workers. Let them have to sell real estate in NYC and let their huge profits become known. I hope the Feds go after them for taxes. I hope Patterson goes broke and halls have to be closed. Decades ago they claimed they'd never ask for money or pass a collection plate. How is this any different? We all know how the JW's are going to feel. Guilty, so out come the wallets. Shame on you, WT. You become experts on financial affairs and ignorant as rocks about child abuse. I am now asking "what is YOUR motive for asking for money"? Don't you have enough? I know the typical JW doesn't. You attack other religions about anything you can think of. But do you run soup kitchens, homeless shelters, and give to the poor? What did Jesus tell the rich man to do? TO SELL WHAT HE HAD, GIVE TO THE POOR, AND BE HIS FOLLOWER. Why don't you try that?? Sell all the buildings (no one reads the WT anymore, it's the same old garbage), give the money to the poor (I know you'll find many in NYC), and try being a follower of Jesus (something you haven't done in 120 years). Wouldn't that be a nice change of pace?
M.A.N.	Saturday, February 3, 2007 @ 6:13 PM
To: MT I would just want to add to what Maluenda said. Most people go through a certain process when they leave the WT. It is part of the trip that all seem to follow. I think she explained everything very well, so I'll let it go at that. It might help to know that you aren't the first nor will you be the last to take this journey. I think you will be a better person for it. My best to you.
mt	Sunday, February 4, 2007 @ 3:28 AM
Hi Maluenda Hi Maluenda and thank's again for your answer. I know it will help and I will remember your words as my wounds are healing up. Off course you are right. The world are wonderfull and people around me are good and carings people. (Most of them). And I'm aware, that this takes time. What strucks me, is that it is now after 8 years, that the pain hurts. Or maby 4 years are more correct, because it's 4 years ago, I discovered that there was something totally wrong with that organisation. But in the past 4 years, I have been so angry, so I could'nt feel the pain. I can feel, inside me, that something is sitting there and can'nt get out. And I dont know what it is. If I'm afraid to see and feel that they are falshe at the same time, or what it is. You know a big stone around my heart. Or in my chest. I am writing in a homepage in Denmark, called religion.dk. And it does help a litle. Also the sime website where I dicuss with JW. But yes, it takes time, I know. I am just looking forward to live again. Without the fear and pain and anger. I am so happy to meet people like you. As I told my friend yesterday, that so far away from our litle Denmark, there are people there, helping and supporting and whom are not afraid to give out of their love. I read what you have been writing to me, and she almost cried also. She is an abused x- witness. And she is having a harder time than I offcourse. But she will also recouver. But I wish you all the luck and happiness, and it's good to know, that you are here. Sincerely mt
mt	Sunday, February 4, 2007 @ 3:53 AM
Hi M.A.N. First thank you for your wishes. It does feel good to write about it and meet other x-witnesses. I write this, because when I read your answer, I was thinking about something, I read last week. In their congretion hall here in Denmark, they used to serve food. But when the tax authorothies, (spelled right??) :-), found out that they had bought an own to 87.000 danish kr. and paied a lot more to make the kithcen up to date, they thought that they also could pay taxes. And then JW closed the kitchen. We were told, that it was because that the brothers and sisters working there, would miss some of the program. What a big lie. I was a JW when it happen. I remember, that I stood up 5 o'clock in the morning, ironing clothes for the family and making food to bring. I also remember the big summer meetings. (dont know the word in english.) When I was a child and a young girl. It was so cosy, standing waiting for food, sitting in the big tents and eat. Now everybody goes to their campingwagon, for them selfes. Not even an icecream you can get there anymore. Nothing for the childreen. Sitting there 8 hours a day in 3 days. It is a huge job for mom and dad, with litle kids. It seems so wrong, when I think back. Well came away from the money. But I agree that they should give money to the poor. What on earth, are they doing with all the money and new buildings, if armagedon is comming. That does'nt make sense. Henchel living in a big five star hotel on Malta. And they say that nobody should be a materialist. No something is absolutely wrong.
M.A.N.	Sunday, February 4, 2007 @ 12:22 PM
To mt I'm happy you feel better. I think if current and ex-JW's knew how many people were out there with something to say, the WT would die sooner. And please don't ever worry about your spelling. Did you mean the "district convention" for the summer meetings? The WT are experts at avoiding paying the tax authorities. That's why they have so much money to defend pedophiles. So if the governments hit them in the wallet, I'm glad. Someday they'll run out. No child should be dragged out of bed at 5 am and spend 8 hours sitting listening to that garbage. It's child abuse, pure and simple. And parents used to spank 3 year olds because they moved or fussed. I've even seen kids slapped across the face. My last year as an attendant, I saw that and told the parents if they did it again, I'd call the cops and take the kid and they'd have to go through me to get him back until the cops arrived. I got dirty looks but I don't care. If elders fall asleep during talks, how can any sane parent expect a 3 year old to sit perfectly still (with no coloring books) and look at the Bible story book and listen to Brother "Let's see how boring I can be so I win the award of putting the most people into a coma" deliver the GB's latest dreams at "new light". If any of you are unsure of the WT's past, or any lurkers are here, do yourself a favor. Read the past beliefs of the WT since 1879. I can't post the link, Google it and read it. You'll break a few ribs laughing. Did you know that Leviathan in the Bible used to be a "steam locomotive"?? Can you believe that? And most diseases were caused by "biting worms" and not germs? Again, this isn't to just attack a few wacky ideas. My point is to prove that WT's claim to be the slave class is false because they weren't feeding the proper food. Didn't Jesus warn against following those who claimed that he had come back? Well?? Who claims he returned? The WT, in 1914. (By the way, it used to be 1874, they changed it in the 1940's.) There are many good books exposing the WT in the library. Look under Religion, Humor, or Fiction.
silentlambs	Sunday, February 4, 2007 @ 11:38 PM
your prayers needed Please pray for my brother, J. He suffered terrible emotional and mental abuse as a child at the hands of our demented JW mother and stepfather. As a grown man, he is married to a deranged JW woman and is currently looking for a way out of the marriage and the organization. At this point, he isn't even certain of God's existence but is hesitant to be aliented from our mother through disfellowshipping. I am trying to help him as much as I can, and I am hopeful that with your prayers along with mine and those in my local community who possess a spiritual nature, he will escape the madness of this evil cult. Please, even if you don't believe that God hears our prayers, say one anyway. Thank you.
mt	Monday, February 5, 2007 @ 9:03 AM
Hi M.A.N. I would very much like to have the link you are talking about. I am right now in a discussion with the worst witnes I have ever met. He is calling all us x-witnesses liers. And he always explain himself out of every prove everybody is comming with. It's him who is calling silent lamb liers, because of Dorthe Tveiti. He is so cruel. So oh, I would like to give him prove, he never ever would be able to run from. Oh he get to my nerves. But I can also smile at him. I hope he someday get his yes up.
mt	Monday, February 5, 2007 @ 9:05 AM
to need prayers I will also pray for your brother and tell everybody I know. Hope so much your brother come out soon.
Maluenda	Monday, February 5, 2007 @ 9:52 AM
TO need prayers I have sent your request around the world. There are prayer groups in Missouri, Tennessee, Australia, England, looks like Denmark, Florida, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, etc. that are praying. Groups of people I might add. And I have also asked them to forward this request to anyone or any prayer group they know! It WILL get better. Blessings, love, and peace to you.
SJG	Tuesday, February 6, 2007 @ 4:00 PM
The Truth In: g93 1993 (7), Title: Why So Many False Alarms? Response for why the governing body of JWs promoted the idea that the world would end at various dates, such as 1975. In their own words from the above article: "They are voicing expectations based on their own interpretation of some scripture text or physical event." Am I crazy or are they admitting that this happened because they interpreted the bible on their own and not by God's Holy Spirit? They admit this, so what's to say that other interpretations aren't simply their own and not from God's Holy Spirit? I am somewhat trying to leave the organization. I am not 100% convinced that they are not the truth. I must be nutso. How are we to trust their other interpretations when they admit that in the past they did this? Is the whole religion based on their own interpretation and not God's Holy Spirit? They also admit in the footnote of that article that what they write in their magazines could be wrong at times too because they are not infallable. This from a religion that disfellowships someone for going to another church or temple and studying other literature? Does anyone else see a problem here? Maybe I've just totally lost my mind. So God is using only them and we are to follow only them or be eternally destroyed, even though they admit that they may teach us something that is in error (wrong)? Other religions are called false for doing this. Why does God consider them different?
Maluenda	Tuesday, February 6, 2007 @ 5:06 PM
To SJG I think you've answered you're own question. It's the pot calling the kettle black. Everything that they condemn other religions for doing they do themselves. The difference is that when other religions are caught-they apologize, pay restitution, offer counseling, etc. Jehovah's witnesses, hide, refuse to cooperate, blame the victims, turn their back on the victim further victimizing them, and deny they've done wrong. I wish I had a dime for every time I heard an elder remind the congregation that jehovahs organization is infallible and we should be careful never to bring reproach on it. What they meant is when a brother, elder, sister, is caught doing something against the law-don't go to the police. I personally witnessed instances were brothers were caught stealing by their jobs, child abuse where children were starved to the point of emaciation, molestation, incest, wife abuse, and that's just a start. These were swept under the carpet-let Jehovah take care of it. Yet, they have you believing they are perfect men who write, run, and counsel the underlings. Claiming to be inspired by God. A god who obviously can't make up his mind what to tell his humans. They flip-flop more than a fish out of water. If that doesn't convince you then go look up the criteria to be classified as a cult. Then you'll be able to tell for sure your doubts are definitely not unfounded. Blessings to you friend and may you walk directly into the light of love and out of the shadow of this cult before it destroys your life.
	Tuesday, February 6, 2007 @ 5:40 PM
Re: Your prayers needed How trapped your brother must feel! He must literally feel "caught between a rock and a hard place"! I know how hard it is to take a stand when you know that you are risking alienation from people you love. I have been there, but I know, that for myself, I had to leave the JW religion. I had to write that letter of disassociation and get out of that religion. I just felt too unhappy and depressed in there! I believe that your brother has to be true to himself in order not to feel tormented by being in that rut, that cult. If he stays it will just bring him down even more! He has to make that decision, but I pray that he finds freedom from this cold and callous religion, even at the risk of alienating his mother, who doesn't sound as if she has ever showered him with maternal affection, anyway. Who needs that kind of "love"? I wish him all the best and much happiness!
	Tuesday, February 6, 2007 @ 5:50 PM
To HRC When I read about the WTBTS being a "moneyed organization", I was completely taken aback by the gall they have in trying to get money out of people in so many different ways! They have a lot of nerve! It's obvious they don't care about people, they care about what they can get out of them. If only the "rank and file" were open to learning information such as this! They would surely have their eyes opened!! At least I hope so! What an education they would get about their religion, and I surely hope it would register!
	Tuesday, February 6, 2007 @ 8:08 PM
Thanks, Maluenda! I'm really feeling these days that there is no real true religion on earth. All seem to teach some truths and some false stuff, like the devil did in the Garden of Eden. One thing he said was true and another false. The problem arises when they declare themselves to be the one and only true religion on earth and refuse to let their followers think otherwise. I'm really feeling that in Nimrod's day the sin that God condemned when He confused the languages was organized religion period, but that He is tolerating it only because we insist that we have to be a part of a group that builds a building and makes a name for itself to worship God. Much like He/God tolerated the Israelites having more than one wife. I find it very hard to believe that God would back an organization that has had policies for decades that caused and allowed children to be molested, not to mention that one of those molestors could've left the organization and molested and murdered a child as a lot of molestors do. Why would God expect us to be a part of such an organization if He commands that we be loving, merciful, look after orphans and widows?
mt	Wednesday, February 7, 2007 @ 7:52 AM
JW and politic. Hi Has anybody here heard That JW are a member of Armeniens national commitee. One of the biggest political society's in the world. I just read a litle about it. But never heard about it. They donate money to Holocaust memorial day. Or so they say. I understod that it was to the military, President Bush and governments. Am I wrong in this, or have other here heard it also. If they really are doing this, we must have it out in the open. Every witness have a right to hear this. mt
JB	Wednesday, February 7, 2007 @ 9:51 AM
Thanks for your prayers Thank you Maluenda, MT and anyone else who is praying for my brother. Several people in my local community are also praying and forwarding my request to prayer warriors who they know.
JB	Wednesday, February 7, 2007 @ 9:56 AM
Message to MT Leaving the JW organization is very similar to going through rehabilitation for substance abuse. With correct counsel and enough time, a person eventually detoxifies themselves. When I got out almost 20 years ago, I spent time (and still do), being helpful to as many people as I could. When you put good out into the world, goodness usually comes back to you. May God bless you, and you will be in my prayers.
Maluenda	Wednesday, February 7, 2007 @ 10:01 AM
To: No true religion My dear friend, you DO KNOW the TRUE RELIGION!!!!!!!! Do you really need someone else to tell you the truth. I KNOW you can see the truth from your heart. You know right from wrong. You know how to love and be empathetic to others. You know how to do good works. Religion is a thing taught by those who wish to achieve status, wealth, control, or whatever their purpose is. Some are true to their heart and beliefs but unfortunately those good people-like Mother Theresa- are few and far between. Do you need someone else to tell you how to pray? How to talk to God? Do you need someone to serve as a go between? I don't think so. God loves you. All you have to do is open your heart and concentrate on good things and beauty. Then you'll find the "TRUTH" exists within you where it has been all along. Forget what you've been taught by false prophets. Listen to the love in your heart and embrace lifes many many blessings. Embrace the love and peace that lives there in your heart. Then you will truly, truly know God and the truth. You're not going to find it in any magazine, book, or bible. You are love, you are the ezample of true religion if you choose to live a good life full of love and peace. Don't give up my friend, open your eyes! Blessings and love
	Wednesday, February 7, 2007 @ 12:27 PM
Re: No true religion Forget about the claims the WTBTS makes about being God's "organization". There is only one mediator between God and people. ONE! That is Jesus Christ. After what Jesus went through for all mankind, He most certainly deserves to be the one and only true mediator. Besides, I think it is a violation of people for a religion to claim it is the only way to go. No religion has the right to try and control people by yanking them around. It's almost as if the "rank and file" have symbolic rings in their noses, and with these rings the WTBTS whips them around any way they feel like it! Maluenda made some very good points! She has astute insight. I am very often impressed with her posts! Your post offered real food for thought. No way can the WTBTS be teaching people the real truth! I left the JW cult about 20 years ago, and I am so glad I am out of there! I think I would be feeling so manipulated, especially about the pedophilia issue. Besides, I just don't want to feel like I came out of a mold or like a marionette. I feel so much better, so much healthier having my autonomy. Furthermore, I feel so much more spiritual not being a JW. I don't have to be in the JW religion or any other religion to feel that spirituality regarding God and His only-begotten Son Jesus Christ. And prayer? Well, prayer is a very personal thing. A religion telling people how to pray, how to talk, how to live, even how to think and feel is truly a spiritual violation of those people! People have a right to their spiritual privacy! And, to paraphrase what Maluenda said, you can KNOW the truth from your HEART. All those meetings, all those books and magazines - - they don't represent the spirituality in your heart. As Maluenda said, listen to your heart. Follow the path your heart opens up to you, and love all things beautiful and good! Maluenda's post to you is full of beautiful and kind insight. I just want to reiterate what she said. Take good care, and be happy. You don't need the JW religion in order to be happy. Quite the opposite, in fact. In the very essence of your being, though, you can find happiness and joy and feel the love of our Heavenly Father.
Maluenda	Wednesday, February 7, 2007 @ 1:53 PM
This insight is inside ALL of us. It gets hidden by religion. To me religion is about people trying to push off their beliefs in order to control others through fear. FAITH is a whole nother story. FAITH comes from within your heart! It is what connects you to the Divine! I too am out now 20 years. It took me that long to recover from the brain washing, guilt, anger, hatred, fear, and sexual, mental, and physical abuse. I thought for years the Divine had turned his back on me. I thought as an apostate (I laugh out loud and loudly at that term!!) I was the spawn of the devil. Really I did. I could see nothing as being good. No one was any good because I was left with that JW mentality that it was the whole world against me and since I left the organization it was me alone against the world. They had kept me in the dark so long that I was blinded. I couldn't see all the good people who stood in the light of truth who wanted to help. Who were reaching out to help me. Instead I thought they were out to get me and harm me. That's why it took so long to get that thinking out of my head! I turned away everyone who loved me and wanted to help me. It's all inside you, I promise! And we are all here to help you through this. You are good, you are love, and you are loved by the God you worship!
man711	Thursday, February 8, 2007 @ 9:23 AM
wonder I was wondering why I could not find my post here? Will it show up or must you only write against witnesses before it shows up.-------------------------------------------------------- silentlambs reply-Please resend we will be glad to put it up it may have got accidentally deleted.
Lyne	Saturday, February 10, 2007 @ 5:12 PM
I was the first case in San Luis Obispo to call the authorities about physical/sexual abuse by my father a JW. So glad others have come forward and can hopefully heal.
SJG	Saturday, February 10, 2007 @ 6:30 PM
The Chosen Let's just say that Jesus did return in 1914. What would he have found the people now known as Jehovah's Witnesses doing? =1)Celebrating pagan holidays, 2)teaching false things, 3)acting as a false prophet would (all according to their own teachings). Would he have assigned them as his chosen ones over all his belongings to distribute food at the proper time? THIS IS THE WHOLE FOUNDATION OF THEIR FAITH. They tell everyone that they are the chosen because in 1914, upon his return, Jesus found them dispensing food to his domestics at the PROPER TIME. If nothing else, history has proven their timing to be off. This is a fact, not someone's being misled by the devil against them.
keijo	Sunday, February 11, 2007 @ 5:52 AM
greeting, "Then ha said to them all: If anyone would come after me,he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me."Christ yoke is easy that bear again today.Let us do this with love and hope and let us win many men to him,pray for blessed revival soon.Thanks and bless.keijo sweden
CFB	Sunday, February 11, 2007 @ 2:20 PM
Jehovah rules in favor of Danish Newspaper The Denmark case ruling is evidence enough that Jehovah God does not tolerate child abuse. When a well known newspaper is reporting the facts, the people will read and form their own opinion of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society/Jehovah's Witnesses. It is amazing that Watchtower accuses a Danish newspaper of slander when they slander the Catholic Church of Child abuse in their Kingdom News offering. The great God Jehovah will continue to allow court victories in favor of child abuse victims. It is time to sue the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of allowing this dispicable practice to continue in their churches!
SF	Sunday, February 11, 2007 @ 2:26 PM
Warning Just like the Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses will forever be linked with protecting pedophiles. We have to inform the neighbors of Brooklyn Heights that the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society are protecting pedophiles and that their children are in great danger!!!
SJG	Sunday, February 11, 2007 @ 3:28 PM
The Truth What god's power is it that allows one to convince another that false things said about God are true? One who manipulates=a manipulator, One who predicts the future falsely=a false prophet, one who teaches false things in the name of God=false religion. God's spirit never directs someone to do the wrong thing for decades. It directs in a correct, 100% truthful way from the start. There is an evil joke being played on millions of people on this earth. We'll have to pray for them.
janemissy	Sunday, February 11, 2007 @ 6:38 PM
WT and NGO-membership Are the WT-boys still at it? The WT Society did participate in a conference in Warsaw Oct. 2006 listed as NGO-members. OSCE, Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe had a meeting called: Human Dimension Implentation Meeting. OSCE is a political and military organization within the UN framework of laws. Looking at the other NGO-members on the list, you will find delegates from various organizations. Very ironic.. Just to tell you that the WT is capable on doing whatewer it takes to get what they want. Whatever that is. You may wonder............
Maluenda	Friday, February 16, 2007 @ 7:13 PM
To Lyne It's a very hard thing to do to speak against ones own family. You did the right thing-the only thing you could do in this situation. There is no way to know how many children you have saved. You are very courageous and I applaud you. Welcome to SL. Let us know if there is anything you'd like to discuss. We are here for you. Blessings!
	Wednesday, February 21, 2007 @ 12:20 PM
To SJG I enjoyed your comments! They are right on! I hope that any JWs coming here are helped by your insightful intelligence. Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us!
	Wednesday, February 21, 2007 @ 12:40 PM
To janemissy The WTBTS was and NGO of the United Nations as recently as October 2006?! Wow. I thought that they pulled out after ten years of involvement. And they're also involved with a political and military organization within the United Nations? Boy, they really have a lot of nerve! How do you find this NGO list? I wish I could tell the JW members of my family about this and have them take it seriously. Once I mentioned to one of my family members the WTBTS NGO involvement with the United Nations, and he made excuses for them! He thought there had to be a good reason for the WTBTS to do that. These Jehovah's Witnesses who believe that the WTBTS can do no wrong! They make me want to pull my hair out! There are many very intelligent people in this 'religion', but their intelligence is so manipulated once they become JWs that they are extremely hard to talk to about anything except the weather! They just can't see what's really what, and that is so sad!
	Wednesday, February 21, 2007 @ 12:46 PM
To Lyne I am so glad you went to the authorities about your abuse! It took a lot of courage to do that! Did you try talking to the elders first or just figure, 'forget that!' and go straight to the authorities? I hope others follow your example and go to the authorities as well. The appropriate authorities, and they are most certainly not the elders under the rule of the WTBTS! Good for you!
DJB	Wednesday, February 21, 2007 @ 9:17 PM
Can Victims Still Believe in God??? The agenda here has changed since I first wrote. Don't be mistaken I write for victims and I always have here. Some who write here are Anti-God and they push this agenda. I thought this was a site for victims of Sexual abuse and there families who were Jehovah's Witnesses not an anti-god siminar!!! I am sick of hearing them constantly pushing their Religion on all of us. Silentlambs seems no longer true to its mandate to support victims of s. abuse and families regardless of religious beliefs. My last comment should have been printed February 8, 2007. Yes I believe God sees what is happening and who are we to say he wont do anything?? For me as a religious person and a victim of watchtower policy you Silentlambs NO LONGER support me here at you web site. Respect should be for all. Some write constantly write and promote their Anti-God Relgion and I am tried of hearing them write in constantly and you know who that is and when I write you don't print my comments. Why don't you censor her comments??? Her anti-God push has nothing to do with support for victims of sexual abuse and victims of Watchtower policy. I do think you should put in my last comment and this comment to be fair. We have been victims and we live out here in the community and we are religious and believe in God!!! This is a support site for x and presently and inactive witnesses and those raised as JW is it not???? I have written and supported this site since 2002. You treat me badly by rejecting my comments... I Challenge you to read up on the comments I have regularly submitted and you tell me if I have a point here!!!!!DJB ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- silentlambs reply-Thank you for writing and due to the attempts to delete spam we may have inadvertently deleted your post. At sl we support those that have suffered abuse, some have lost their faith in God others remain active JW's while some maybe somewhere in between. We want the guestbook to be a safe place for all to talk and express their feelings. No one should be attacked for doing so. We hope you will continue to support the guestbook and this post is good advice to all our moderators to remember the mission statement for silentlambs. We simply support and believe all those that have suffered abuse.
silentlambs	Thursday, February 22, 2007 @ 9:34 AM
guestbook fixed! We are happy to report the repair of the guestbook. In recent months misguided individuals have blitzed the guestbook with thousands of spams in an attempt to shut us down. They also included malicious viruses that would attack the person trying to delete the spam. Volunteers for sl have lost their computers on six different occasions just trying to keep the guestbook operational. We are happy to let everyone know that with the kind assistance of a professor from Murray State University a Capta Tag was installed that provides the letters below to cut out the spams. If you would like to express your appreciation for the efforts of this kind man please do so here. We were at the breaking point with over 1,000 spams a day. Now we can operate again. We greatly appreciate his kind assistance. silentlambs
M.A.N.	Thursday, February 22, 2007 @ 10:53 AM
Thank you I just wanted to post this to thank the person who worked on the guestbook. I am a network engineer and computer "geek", and I realize how much work websites require. I just wanted to point out how difficult a job this person performed in order to make the guestbook operational. I'm sure we all appreciate this and hopefully abuse victims can post more easily and others can quickly offer consolation and comfort. M.A.N.
Maluenda	Thursday, February 22, 2007 @ 12:20 PM
To All Isn't it wonderful that the GB is fixed. A huge amount of praise should go out to this kind professor that has helped us all. Good really does triumph over evil in the end! Love, Hugs, Blessings, and THANK YOU a MILLION TIMES OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
silentlambs	Thursday, February 22, 2007 @ 2:11 PM
guestbook If you would like to write the Murray State University and express appreciation for the assistance with fixing the guestbook you may do so here. This link provides address and information to the president of the college. I helps them to know that their professors are rendering great service to the community. The person that fixed the website's name is Victor R. http://www.murraystate.edu/president/contact.htm
	Thursday, February 22, 2007 @ 5:02 PM
To DJB For the record, it helps many victims to recover when they are able to discuss their belief (or not) in God. Some stop believing, some still believe and blame him, and some hate him for allowing abuse. Every victim is different. I see no pattern of anyone posting an "anti- God" agenda. I know that MAN became an agnostic and there is a female poster who hates the WT but believes in higher power (s). Abuse victims need to go through stages in order to recover. You stated that you thought this was a place for JW's who were abused. It is not only for them. All abuse victims are welcome here. The majority who post here may be JW's or ex-JW's, but that may be due to other factors. No one has to prove his/her faith or lack of faith to post here. You complain about having "religion pushed on you", yet you state that you believe God sees everything and infer that he will do something. Isn't that YOUR religion being now pushed on others who don't believe? The issue isn't belief in God, it is how the abuse happened, how to stop it in the present and future, and how to help victims to recover. Then you again state you are religious and believe in God. The agnostics here would claim you are pushing your beliefs on THEM, since they don't believe in God. To be fair, you should consider that you are maybe doing the same thing that you complain about, but in reverse. You then again make the claim that this site is for victims associated with the WT, either currently or in the past. As the SL reply stated, it is NOT only for WT or JW victims. ALL are welcome here. I hope that you can view my comments objectively and will post here and benefit from the comments of everyone. We at SL care about ALL victims and this site is necessary until abuse ceases forever no matter where or when it occurs. Thank you for your support.
M.A.N.	Thursday, February 22, 2007 @ 5:22 PM
To SJG re: the chosen I usually avoid doctrinal discussions, but this one can help victims. Many victims are afraid to disobey the WT or elders because they firmly believe that they and God are one and the same. You brought up the 1914 issue. Actually, the WT claims that Jesus made his inspection in 1919 and found the WT dispensing "proper food at the proper time". Since virtually all their teachings from that year are now "wrong", it knocks the support for their claim to be the "faithful slave" out from under them. My point is that many victims fear to displease God if they report the abuse. If they believed that God preferred that they DID report it (possibly saving others from being abused), they would feel better and heal more fully. "Captive of a Concept" is an excellent book written by an ex-JW elder whom I know. The book debunks the doctrine of the WT being the faithful slave class. I know that if victims feel that God loves them and does not blame them for seeking professional help or coming to this site for comfort, they will recover sooner. I hope this information helps.
Maluenda	Thursday, February 22, 2007 @ 8:15 PM
RE: SL site I think it's wonderful that DJB can express himself on this site. I think it's a perfect example of how many of us feel. It's so easy to think of this site as our home, belonging solely to us. So many of us find comfort, solace, and love here. We make it our home. Sometimes those who have different beliefs than us may post something that goes against our personal opinions or thoughts. I think we all need to keep in mind that the purpose of the site was to give victims a voice. It really doesn't matter if you are agnostic, Catholic, JW, Pagan, or what you call your higher power. What matters is that we are all here to have a voice. To tell our stories. To help others cope when times seem darkest and to share in the triumphs when progress is made and sometimes to vent against our abusers. That is the thread that has brought us together. The bond is that we, either directly or indirectly have suffered from the abuse (emotional, physical, or sexual) of a religious cult. Now we are all trying to shed the darkness and step out into the light of the real truth. It's a horrendous task to undertake alone, especially when chances are your lifelong family and friends have left you out in the cold. Being a moderator is a tough job. We have to give Bill and his team credit for the endless hours they put in to keep this site up and running. Especially Bill and his bride who more often than not fund this site solely with their own earnings. So with that in mind we should all keep in mind the real purpose here is not to convert anyone to a particular way of thinking. It is to offer support when support is needed, encouragement when it's needed, love always, and to not put anyone down for their belief or disbelief in anything. It is to help victims and their families who have been abused by clergy. This site is not for everyone. There are sites that encourage bible study, pursuing Christianity, and God as the path to healing from abuse. There are sites that support agnosticism as a path to healing. This site accepts all abuse victims from all spiritual paths, condones nor condemns any of them. So if you find the fact that SL allows everyone to express their personal views (as long as they do not attack or condemn anyone else on the site) then perhaps this isn't the site that would feel most comfortable to you. That statement isn't meant to discourage anyone from being here. It's just another side of the coin to look at. Since the point is healing we want everyone to heal in the most conducive, supportive environment possible. So like with anything else in life: Find what works best for you. As always Blessings , Peace, Love, and most of all a healthy path to healing.
	Friday, February 23, 2007 @ 12:40 AM
Question: Where are True Faith Jehovah’s Witnesses located? Answer: Well, let me say from the start that I am in the United States where I became a TFJW partly by reading on the internet as well as conversation, book reading and the Bible in particular. But I will answer this and all your questions as well as I know how. The answer, then, is that although TFJWs have now become worldwide most of us are still in Romania and other nations of East Europe such as Moldova, the Ukraine, Russia, Hungary and the Czech Republic. I have no documented statistics to give you but from what has been related to me there are also some in Slovakia, Poland, Austria, Germany etc. Similarly, relatively small groups are in large capitals of West Europe such as Berlin, Paris, and London. In North America here there are very scattered individuals and very small groups in places such as larger cities like New York City and immigrant-magnets such as Dearborn, Michigan, in the United States. In Canada some TFJWs are in Montreal, Quebec City, Toronto, and Vancouver. You will not, however, find any listed in a telephone directory as homes and public meeting places such as parks and community centers are good enough, though we have had some really large conventions in East Europe. Up to 35,000 have met at conventions in Romania, for example. Because of the internet, I feel confident that every day people including from related groups around the world in Asia, Australia and Africa are also learning the truth about us and Jehovah’s will. Question: Where are most TFJWs located in Romania? Answer: In Romania TFJWs are throughout the nation in both cities and rural areas. Some cities for example I frequently hear of Cluj Napoca and Tirgu Mures. Question: How many True Faith Jehovah’s Witnesses are there around the world? Answer: Although only about 35,000 meet at TFJW conventions in Romania, due to barriers such as borders and expenses, there are about 60,000, in addition to which there are nearly 40,000 in about nine other related groups in Eastern Europe. Question: How do TFJWs view Watchtower Society-led Jehovah’s Witnesses and other groups that have split from the Watchtower Society? Answer: All Jehovah’s Witnesses who are still loyal to Jehovah ahead of any earthly group of religious leaders and actively in proclaiming the Good News of Jehovah’s incoming kingdom are viewed as brothers and sisters, warmly welcomed when visiting with TFJWs. A true friend of Jehovah is a true friend for us too. At the same time, we as TFJWs are fully aware of the fact that there are JWs and smaller groups who put the interpretations of their human organizations’ religious leaders over Jehovah’s Son, Jesus Christ. So, I again say that for a True Faith Jehovah’s Witness it really depends upon if a particular JW from another group is putting the will of Jehovah God and His Son first or, for example, giving primary allegiance to the governing body of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society which has elevated itself in apostate fashion. Question: Can you quickly name the common beliefs and differences regarding TFJWs and Watchtower Society JWs? Answer: Yes. As to God’s nature, the condition of the soul, the resurrection hope and so forth the beliefs are exactly the same. The major difference is that True Faith Jehovah’s Witnesses in contrast to Watchtower Society- headed JWs do not have formal Judicial Committees with harsh disfellowshipping. Instead those in congregations decide for themselves how to react to someone who has done something seriously wrong, doing so in a spirit of reasonableness in consideration of many different factors. This applies for example to the use of tobacco and blood. Also, TFJW women typically wear scarves as a sign of respect in line with what the Bible says. All TFJW husbands take very serious the need to be upbuilding Christian role models as older men for their families. For example a TFJW father would not want his children to be involved in Western style “dirty dancing,” but would encourage them to be loyal to Jehovah above all, also to enjoy some well-balanced wholesome Christian activities such as witnessing and picnicking. Question: What about the nature of God meaning the trinity doctrine? Answer: There exist Jehovah God Almighty, His Son Jesus Christ, and Jehovah’s Holy Spirit. They are different from each other although they are all holy. Jesus is not identical to Jehovah as a person although the same in regard to beliefs even as a mirror reflects a face. Let me make clear that we differ from the beliefs of persons in the churches, even strongly on some things, but we seek to be respectful and kind all the same. Christ visited with and helped people who were not only worshippers of Jehovah but also some who were sinners and pagans, is that not so? Question: Okay, moving on, why do True Faith Jehovah’s Witnesses believe the Watchtower Society headquartered in Brookyn, New York, is apostate, meaning against God’s will? Answer: That will take a minute or two. You see, during the Cold War the Watchtower Society leadership compromised in the Western group of nations which was led by the USA and its agencies such as the CIA and British intelligence, which we believe the Bible speaks of as the King of the South. Also they compromised in the Eastern Bloc of Communist nations headed by the USSR and its agencies including the KBG and Romanian secret police, a group which the Bible collectively calls the King of the North. Yes, the men in Brooklyn were infiltrated and at the same time Communist secret police used moles and traitors to try to destroy groups of TFJWs meeting underground in places such as private homes and outdoors in East Europe. The Watchtower Society also interpreted and still interprets the “superior authorities” to whom Christians owe ultimate allegiance to be the world’s governments while TFJWs continued, despite persecution, to see the truly “superior authorities” as Jehovah and the Christ. The Bible says to be respectful of governments, and we can do so well enough especially when those are respectful of us as Christians. However we have always refused to go so far as to have our faith bow down to the dictates of any dictatorship including those of the Nazis and Communists! Nor will we bow down to any U.N. demands against our faith! And, by the way, we know full well from reading the internet that on the sly the Brooklyn apostates have had a harlot-like liaison with the U.N. as an N.G.O affiliated with it. They still have a relationships but have hidden it a little more under the bedsheets. That may burn up some to hear it but, well, it is the hard truth! Let’s be reasonable. In all truth, many good-hearted JWs in the West can see for themselves that the Watchtower Society’s doings have brought reproach upon Jehovah’s grand name. Such JWs do not feel though that they can easily cut ties with the Watchtower Society because when they do the apostate leaders from Brooklyn have the local elders declare those who dissent are apostates and that they are to no longer be associated with as before. The best many have been able to do is cut down or cut out their money donations to the apostates. Back in the 1970s the Watchtower Society began setting up Bodies Of Elders who must obey their idea of a religious “Theocratic Arrangement” which in fact is a dictatorship. In particular by disfellowshipping those who dissent, their apostate dictatorship has caused great unhappiness and we sometimes hear of suicides or deaths. Unlike this dragon-like dictatorship, we who are True Faith Jehovah’s Witnesses allow dissent and encourage newcomers to express it so that the can all grow in our faith. It is also a fact that Watchtower Society-appointed elders are ordered to send any pedophiles they or Brooklyn head over them have judged repentant to also go preaching from door to door. As said, among TFJWs not a committee of Watchtower-appointed elders but all in a congregation freely decide how to deal with a serious sinner. Among us, all things being equal, we normally say of every Christian man who is an older man with children behaving that he merits our respect as one of our elders, but this word “elder” is not a kind of title or position for lording it over others and judging, even misjudging them harshly as it is with the Watchtower Society. Question: Okay, and how does Field Service differ for TFJWs? Answer: We too take Field Service seriously but do not use it to destroy the normal lives of our families. Instead it is kept regular but enjoyable. Those who can do more are encouraged to do so but not given unChristian pressure to do so. We seek to be reasonable and encourage people, young and old, in good health and in declining health, to do what they can reasonably do in view of their God-given talents, as said their health and other considerations. Question: Do you count time, and write down how many things you place? What about regular meeting attendance? Answer: No TFJWs are “forced” to do those things. Witnessing in an orderly way is encouraged and many do so, but it is not a requirement for being seen as a brother or sister in the faith. Nor is robotic rigid attendance written in stone. Hebrews says to not stop meeting but it does not order how frequently that absolutely must be. No, mercy, love and kindness go ahead of harshly inflexible Pharisee-style rules or laws! Above all, Jehovah knows our amount of “time in service” and as to things that get placed or left with people, usually for us such things are not made of paper but they are the speaking of scriptures from a Bible. We do have some literature about the Bible for studying and sharing, but the main tool for witnessing is the Bible. Question: So, how do you get the preaching work done if you do not have a human governing body, district overseers, circuit overseers and appointed local elders? Answer: We are an Association of Christians. This means there are local groups and sometimes in some places isolated Christians who all understand from studying the Bible what is to be done, that is that we must preach and conduct ourselves as much like Christ as is possible for imperfect, therefore sometimes failing but sincere humans. There is no need for an enormous publishing corporation and overseers elevated above other Jehovah’s Witnesses! That’s a business, not faith! We’re a FAITH, not a human organization like those bossed by corrupt big businesses, governments and religions. Instead, the One we all look to as our spiritual king is Jesus Christ, the Son of Jehovah God Almighty. There is a kingdom which is securely in heaven where no rust, moth, nor apostates can ruin it. And it extends down upon earth into the hearts and minds of all true Christians whom we seek to draw together in the faith which is an association of those witnessing to the goodness of Jehovah. Jesus Christ is the one and only truly faithful and discreet slave, the only needed leader over all true Christians. All the same, the Watchtower Society’s Governing Body says they, the sinful men sitting on that body, are the Faithful and Discreet Slave as class. What kind of sense does that make for any Jehovah’s Witness who truly is for Jehovah and His Christ?! Jehovah’s Holy Spirit was used to create the heavens and the earth, and His Holy Spirit will create a new heavens and a new earth as well as continually comfort and move us ahead in the ministry as a healing unto all the nations. We don’t need a pretend kingdom out of Brooklyn over the earth. That’s just a cult of darkness in the palm of Satan. Question: And do you have any idea how long it takes newcomers to become True Faith Jehovah’s Witnesses? Answer: The basic scriptures can be explained from the Bible in a single setting, but for many people it may take weeks, months or years because they need time to associate and gain strength to give up some bad habits. So the answer is it can be from an hour all the way to many years. For most, then, the length of time is somewhere in between. However, staying Christ like is something that is a lifelong exercise in the faith. Question: Interesting. Did someone from Romania, in the U.S. or another nation appoint you to be a spokesperson for the TFJWs? Answer: Jehovah’s Spirit can make the rocks speak if that is what it takes. I am a little rock who is rock solid in faith to Jehovah Himself. Therefore His Spirit comforts and encourages me to declare the Good News, set the record straight and to encourage others to do the same. Jehovah made my mouth and it is used to glorify Him. The one true Rock is Christ, not some modern Peter or Paul or Knorr, Franz, Henschel or other apostates of darkness. I myself am a puff of air but even when one little rock leaves Jehovah can and He does raise run a hundred, even a thousand others. Each can cry out what needs cried out. Question: So, were you previously a Jehovah’s Witness? I know I studied and attended a little with them. Answer: The fact is that I have always been a Jehovah’s Witness and a witness for Jesus Christ, and I pray to always stay so even to death. As to if I am a JW in the True Faith belonging to the truly superior authorities, or if I am a JW whose heart is for the Watchtower Society, as if that contraption actually were Jehovah, well, I already know that you know that answer! Question: Where can interested persons find out more information? Answer: I believe you pretty much have it. The Bible is the main light. We also make use of literature produced for JWs prior to about 1962 when the apostates tightened their grips in Brooklyn. As Christ said, you will know us by our fruits of love, joy, peace etc. We are dedicated to doing God’s will and making disciples for Christ. Question: Then it looks like we’ve come to the end of the interview, and I want to thank you for coming. As soon as possible you will be given a transcript of the interview. Answer: You’re welcome, and I thank you in turn.
Maluenda	Friday, February 23, 2007 @ 3:12 AM
RE:TFJW's Interesting reading. This is the first time I've heard of such a group. It makes sense though. It seems to me that these folks are on target as to what their bible says they ought to be doing. I wonder though how they would handle a peodophile case? If a member of their church admitted or had charges brought against him that he was molesting children. Would you decide as a congregation to go to the police or would you let Jehovah handle it in his own time? Second question I have: What happens to all the good people on the earth when armeggeddon comes? Do all the people who have lived good , decent, useful lives die eternally because they aren't JW's? What happens to them? If whoever posted about the TJW's could answer those questions I would be most grateful. Blessings to you.
janemissy	Friday, February 23, 2007 @ 7:47 AM
how to find WT and NGO If you want to look for yourself about WT and NGO, go to www.randytv.com. On the left side you will find UNITED NATIONS and the WATCHTOWER site. The famous beast will appear, and then again om the left side all the information you want. OSSE is the name to look for on any server. Its called OSCE in Norway. (For scandinavians to read) Randy Watters is the best and the most well informed person I have read about in these matters. Good luck on the internet! Best wishes from Jane.
SJG	Friday, February 23, 2007 @ 12:48 PM
The Truth Thanks M.A.N.! You're so right. It's not just the molestation victims who have suffered at the hands of the governing body of JW. To the so-called TFJWs, you are not the only ones teaching basic bible truths. This "We're the truth faith and everyone else false" crap is causing children and teens to be molested, people to commict suicide, possibly homicide, and it is destroying families. But we can't be surprised that after given the evidence there are still going to be those who insist that the people claiming to be victims on this site are a fake because there are still people who uphold the beliefs of Hitler after seeing the damage his regime did to people. I really feel that the problem is some people need to feel that they are on some kind of pedestal over other people cults like Jim Jones and false religions like the JWs cater to this in people "the elite, chosen who will be saved when everyone else is destroyed. The special ones who God loves more." It's crap and we all need to concentrate on loving our Creator with our whole being and our neighbor(everyone on earth) as ourself & stop worrying about being better than the next person.
Maluenda	Friday, February 23, 2007 @ 2:42 PM
To SJG I think you and MAN have got it right. If we just lived peacefully and loved our neighbors as ourselves what else would we need. I think that superior attitude breeds prejudice and where there is prejudice there is injustice. It's such a basic childlike concept. Blessings
M.A.N.	Saturday, February 24, 2007 @ 2:09 PM
Re: Catholic/JW newsletter I have seen this comparison quite often. It is an excellent analysis. I don’t know if you could find any other two religions with the same amount of hubris, unless you included the Islamic terrorists. Although, to be fair, the Jews, Mormons, and others do insist they alone have the truth. Actually, I know very few religions that DON’T think they are the “truth”. (When you back them into a corner.) Why else would they belong to that particular religion? If anyone’s faith is “okay” then no religion would care how many of its members left and they wouldn’t care which other religion they joined. I somehow don’t think this is going to happen. (By the way, the word “hubris” means a kind of “religious arrogance”. It’s not found in some dictionaries.) There are many interesting facts about the Catholics and JW’s. The second largest religion in Italy, after the Catholic Church, are the JW’s. In fact, the JW’s are the second largest religion in many Catholic countries. The Pope has often bemoaned the fact that Catholics should be going to the people with their faith. The Catholic Church, when asked questions about illogical things and doctrines that they cannot explain, calls them “Blessed Mysteries”. The WT, when asked about doctrines THEY cannot explain, calls the people who asked “Cursed Apostates”, “Diseased So-and-Sos”, and other flattering and Christian terms. There are many similarities, and reasons for them. The Catholic Church produces a climate where homosexuality and child abuse flourish because priests, often healthy young men, cannot marry and satisfy a normal desire for love and sex. So they turn to nuns and children. There are hundreds of nuns in convents who had babies fathered by “Father Whoever”. Wearing drab, brown baggy outfits, their pregnancies often went unnoticed. JW elders, often frustrated by a lack of love at home (often their own fault for ignoring their wives for months while busy “snooping” on the congregation and holding petty judicial committee meetings) then turn to willing single women and/or children. The Catholic threat: “Tell and you’ll burn in Hell.” The JW threat: “Tell, and you’ll lose your family and burn alone (after they commit suicide or whatever they do). Not too kind of a shepherd to say, is it?? Another thing. The Catholic Church ravished and destroyed entire countries to “convert the natives to Christianity”. Many died. The Watchtower destroys families using shunning and lying to the public. Many died here also. The Catholic Church thinks the WT is the “man of lawlessness”. The WT thinks the Catholic Church is the “man of lawlessness” and the “whore of Babylon”. Oddly, both are correct on this one. The Catholic Church lets you “buy” your way out of Hell, Purgatory, Limbo or wherever with money and prayers. The WT lets you “buy” your way out of dying at Armageddon by selling the required amount of propaganda (known as “Bible study aids”) and spending at least ten hours a month lying to the public about God and the WT itself. The Pope acts like he is “God on Earth” and talks like he is. The WT’s leaders do the same thing. I think I have a solution. Since the JW’s are cutting back on how many people they use at their headquarters (Bethel) and the Catholic Church is having trouble finding new priests for the seminaries, why doesn’t the WT send the extra men to Rome so they can become priests? It solves many problems. It shouldn’t matter to either religion. Neither of them teaches the truth, neither follows the Bible, and neither of them would be allowed in my home because I don’t trust them. One last similarity: The Catholic Church has many members who only go to church on Easter and/or Christmas because they really don’t believe and can’t stand to be there. The JW’s have many members who only go to the Memorial because they don’t believe anymore and cannot stand to be there. I guess it doesn’t matter which religion a person belongs to here.
SKB	Saturday, February 24, 2007 @ 3:00 PM
Barbara Anderson is beutiful in Jehovah's Eyes Barbara Anderson's personal loyalty to Jehovah God and Jesus Christ will be rewarded when Jehovah displays his disfavor on the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society and its "unfaithful and indiscreet slave class" on this earth. These men clearly do not read the Bible and its standards. They slander all religions in favor of their own. They have pointed fingers at others and have not pointed to the faults and falicies of their own religion. The pride and covetous attitudes of the Watchtower/Jehovah's Witnesses are a disgrace and they deserve to be sued for their cowardess handling of pedophiles. Any individual can see the absolute hypocrisy in the Jehovah's Witness religion. Barbara Anderson did the right thing by coming forth and shedding light on this religion. She obeyed God as ruler rather than man.
Maluenda	Monday, February 26, 2007 @ 9:39 AM
RE: Religion I find all religions very interesting whether they be Pagan or Christian in origin. I understand different ways to worship. Different beliefs in the afterlife. I can even kind of understand why people would want to believe in an armeggeddon. The one thing that I just can't figure out, that I cannot come up with a logical explanation for is why a human being who is at the very least a son or daughter (put aside brother, sister, mother, father, cousin, friend, teacher etc.) would want harm to come to another. Now, the Christians all profess love as their main guidance for their thoughts, actions, and teachings. Yet, they can't wait for their God to destroy unbelievers whether they are honorable and good or evil. Many Christian cults like the JW's practice shunning, disfellowshipping and other tactics that are the opposite of love. I find it quite confusing. I asked my parents if they prayed every day for me. Prayed that I would find their "truth". They said no because I had made my decision so basically I was already dead to them and Jehovah. So how can you preach, "Love thy Neighbor..." and then discard nonbelievers as already dead? Especially, your own flesh and blood! We all know this is prevalent in the JW cult but it is also prevalent in other religions as well. I prefer to try to find something likeable in all people no matter what they believe. I truly believe their is good in all of us even though we choose at times not to show it on the outside. It's very sad to me when a person or group of people have to degrade or lessen the value of other human beings to elevate themselves to a superior position. Why do people need to feel superior to others. Isn't that what is responsible for all the wars, bigotry, hatred, and evil acts in this world-superiority? Well, all this is just my personal opinion of course. The post about Anderson sent my mind on a tangent. Hope all of you are having a beautiful day full of love!
SJG	Tuesday, February 27, 2007 @ 2:18 PM
In Response to Re:Relion How can a man and a woman who chose to get together, make love, create a child, love God if they can not love the child they created? I've been thinking that the governing body of JWs reminds me a lot of Nazi Germany. God loves you and you are not dead to Him. He sent His Son to suffer and die for all of us and Jesus 'hungout' with the prostitutes sometimes because although sinners, they are one group that needed to feel his presence and needed his love the most. God HELPS people in their hour of need. He does not discard them. Look at the example of King David. He is with us through our mistakes and arrogance. He is working with us overtime to help us get our act together so to speak.
Maluenda	Tuesday, February 27, 2007 @ 2:54 PM
To SJG So I'm not crazy. It is illogical. I can't imagine not loving one of my kids. Even if they did something terrible, I would still love them and not wish them to die. I may not agree or like what they do but LOVING them has NOTHING to do with that. I feel so sorry for those who have hardened their hearts to their own families and dear friends. The very ones who love and adore them. They have no idea the joy they have given up. By doing so they can't even see that they have judged and condemned them to be unworthy of God's love. Yet, they profess that only God can know the true state of a man's heart. Very, very sad. But I can tell you now that I look at people ain a whole new light. I don't want to be superior to anyone. Not a movie star, political figure, relative, or jw. I just want to live in this beautiful world, enjoy it's gifts and blessings and encourage others to practice peace and love.
Lynn	Tuesday, February 27, 2007 @ 4:13 PM
For TRUE FAITH JW's? I have many questions do you have a membership list. Is your group legally incorrupated (sp)??? I was always told the witnesses have no other groups braking off... I find this fasinating but very understandable. Tell us more. Is there a website one can go to????
Maluenda	Tuesday, February 27, 2007 @ 7:20 PM
To Lynn I looked them up on the net and visited their official site. I wasn't impressed. It almost seems like a joke. I asked many questions and never got a response here or from emailing them directly. They use old books and watchtowers from the 30's and 40's. All the woman have to have head coverings. They haven't responded and don't seem to have a large following. They don't have an eldership and don't believe in Bethel. They say the congregation as a whole responds to issues or problems that arise. So that's what I know about them. Funny though they won't respond to emails. I wonder why?
M.A.N.	Tuesday, February 27, 2007 @ 8:19 PM
To Lynn and Maluenda I also had questions about the True Faith JW's. They somewhat seemed to be an offshoot of the WTS. A little similar to the Book of Mormon sounding very much like someone took the Old Testament and inserted a subplot. The style of writing was copied, names, things like that. The TFJW's are too similar to the WTS for me to take them at face value. Almost like that "conform to non-conformity" behavior. They also believed in certain things that I thought had been done away with or else were not accepted from the WTS, so why accept it from them? I don't like organization, and this one seems to still have more than I want. I don't know any members personally, so I cannot judge their motives. Maybe more info will come out soon. I would have thought we'd have heard of them by now. Any thoughts? Thank you.
M.A.N.	Wednesday, February 28, 2007 @ 9:45 AM
Re: Barbara Anderson I agree with you about Barbara Anderson. In fact, I would find it difficult to understand it if she knew what she did and did NOT come forward. One of the KEY issues here and with the WT’s attitude concerning child abuse is whether or not the abuse of children is more important than the reputation of the WT or its interpretation of their faulty Bible. All Christians need to analyze what Jesus taught about God’s standards and then make a personal decision. There are dozens of cases in the Old Testament when loyal and faithful servants of God refused to go along with the wicked kings and/or the majority of the population because they were NOT obeying God’s standards. God rewarded these faithful people, he did NOT approve of their being killed by the evil kings because they “spoke their mind”. The same thing is true today. Most JW’s are too brain-washed, ignorant, or even stupid to realize that they are defending leaders who have strayed so far from decency that they don’t know how to find their way back. We here at SL see that God could never want these precious children molested and not reported just so his supposed “organization”, along with a twisted verse about “two witnesses” would be upheld. May I remind everyone that Deut. 22:25-27 REQUIRES that the man be punished and the woman released. If this verse doesn’t provide for the protection of innocent girls, then what the h*** is this verse in the Bible for?? Aren’t little children “screaming” silently in their hearts and minds, but there is no one to hear them? My God, how can the WT leaders expect a 7-year-old to tell on her own father or an elder and be believed when they laugh at her or call her a liar??? When I got my degree in Psychology, many courses used the practice of “putting yourself in the other person’s shoes”. If anyone needs to appreciate the terror a small child endures while being raped, then I leave it to you to mentally picture the scene and her feelings. It is especially horrific if it were to be the child’s father or a trusted elder. Now please picture that this father or elder is denying the accusation and calling the child a liar or a whore. Pretend you are a nine-year-old girl and picture the entire scene. I know this isn’t pleasant, but I had to do this during MY therapy since this happened to my child. Now pretend you are God (or a NORMAL human being, not a JW) and decide which scene is more disgusting, the one where you pictured that you were the little girl, or a scene where you as an elder are picturing a family or two quitting the congregation because they knew about you raping your child and you are concerned about the loss of donations. Which scene SHOULD bother a sane person more?? I challenge any person, especially JW’s, to defend their choice to protect the WT instead of the child. I think you all know what my reaction would be. Now read the following concerning God’s opinion and his punishment of STONING. Does anyone else feel like executing these animals, or is it just me?? Stoning to death is NOT a pleasant way to die. Think about it for a moment happening to YOU. Now, remember that this punishment was God’s main method for executing people who committed certain crimes, including sexual misconduct. GOD WANTED PEOPLE TO THROW LARGE ROCKS AT THE HEAD OF THE RAPIST UNTIL IT BROKE OPEN AND HE DIED, BLOODY AND GORY!! Am I not correct in this appraisal?? This is God’s verse, not mine. I want to shoot them. That’s painless and they die in a fraction of a second. Think one more time about stoning. Is God barbaric? Or is he so disgusted with child abuse that he wanted the abuser to suffer stoning? I have no answer, he doesn’t talk to me. I know in my heart that the WT doesn’t have much longer to survive. All that is needed is one good TV show and they are finished. These topics are discussed on Freeminds quite often, and there are dozens of articles that Randy Watters posted to help abuse victims to heal. (He was a Bethel elder for six years in NYC.) I know him and his site has an interview with him and Bill Bowen. To conclude about Barbara, at times we must all draw our personal “line in the sand”. A line beyond which we WILL NOT GO. When I’ve tried to talk to my soon to be ex-wife, she yells, “We’re not going to go there.” Meaning, she will NOT discuss anything bad about the WT. Now I say to her and the world, “WE HERE AT SL WILL NOT “GO THERE” (TOLERATE ANY MORE ABUSE OR LIES FROM THE WT).” Another way to phrase it would be “We will not let YOU (the WT) go there (molest children and then lie about it) any more.” If you lie about us or to u