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October 16, 2002

Comment: RMK please email me J_CHITO@msn. com . . . . john
October 16, 2002

Comment: Greetings, the guest book has been refreshed. All inappropriate posts have been filtered out from the archived posts. Each post made in this website is now being tracked by IP address. For those who continue to slander others beware if you post your identity ( a way to track you ) is being left behind. Death threats will be taken seriously and turned over to the proper authorities. This guest book is intended for healing, not for verbal battle. Soon code will be established that will track even the view and submit portion of the guest book and for those who are slanderous and dangerous, you will both not be allowed to view or post to this site. Your choices from here out establish your privileges. . . . . . webmaster
October 16, 2002

Comment: Webmaster, thank you for your efforts at improving the site for everybody. There has been a lot of nastiness around here and it was just the last straw when rmk was attacked about his sexuality. We certainly can't have that sort of thing, and regular posters who make a contribution to this site should feel free to be what they are.
October 16, 2002

Comment: Thank you webmaster for cleaning up the dirt. . . you are great! love, soapbox
October 16, 2002

Comment: Dear Webby: You have your work cut out for you tonight. . . thanks again for tidying up. I emailed you and when I came back, you already got to it. Thanks.
October 16, 2002

Comment: O. k, this is avishai. I said I wasn't going to respond, but I can't let this one slide. Anti-john,in answer to your question, your little buddy Anthony c aardvark threatened to kick elder bobs head in till his brains were leaking out on the floor. But, count yourself successful in getting the recognition you deserve. Anyway, I will reiterate that this site is about little children being raped & the people who have to deal w/ it later, them, their families, etc. When you really think about it, these children, not usually being baptized are really "associates" not full blown jw's, & that's why we have these mandatory reporting laws. You say "it's the parents responsibility to report!" Yes, that's true, they should. But for anyone to hide behind ecclesiastical privilege is so weak, sick & small. Yes, Parents "should" report these things. But, some of them are the ones molesting the kids. Some belong to wacko cults, like the hare' krishnas, who are also being sued for the same kind of cover ups. Did those kids choose to be in a wacko cult? No, they didn't. In the jw's, a 4 yr. old, a mere associate doesn't have the same rights as a baptized witness. He didn't choose to be there. If he chooses later, on his own that it is not the path he wants, he'll still be shunned. It's about deliberate flouting of federal & state law as a PRECEDENT of the wbts. Ignore the morons, but not too much, zealots are a dangerous thing. Just look at the taliban, who started out as a fairly peaceful fundamentalist group. How far of a stretch would it be to convince a jw, or several jws, who had been taught all of his life that all non-believers were to be viewed as evil, & all df'd & da'd people were to be viewed as dead, to convince them that "new light" says to "Help god out in armageddon by killing unbelievers? The totally blind statements, & threats of violence on this website by jws & their defenders prove my point that the jw's are perfect manchurian candidates who will win by any means necessary to force their beliefs on others, just like al-queada
Comment: Sorry, refer to some of my earlier posts, there are lots of good people & non-offenders. I was trying to point out that it is the power structure that causes the arrogance of a "god given right" to ignore caesars law, using loopholes if necessary. And, as I said, it's not just jw's doing it, it's contemptible across the board. Also, do you think every taliban is "bad"? I'm sure there are some basically kind & decent people there, but it is there "I am right!" philosophy that allows them to oppress people& ignore international law. And they believe just as strongly as you that they are GODs chosen religion, everyone else is evil. The phrase " I AM RIGHT!!" has caused more pain & suffering in the world than any other. Oh, sure, it takes on different forms, like "manifest destiny" or "The chosen race" or "The new Jerusalem", but it's really all the same b. s. that's gotten people hurt & babies raped & villages burned since the dawn of time. Could you see yourself practicing ethnic cleansing? No? The ancient israelites did, Killing everything in an entire country, bashing infants heads against rocks. Nice picture, huh? Well, it's not much different w/ covering up molesting, It's just that, like disfellowshipping, it's a different kind of death. One is spiritual, the other emotional, spiritual, & psychological, often ending in physical death due to suicide or self destructive behavior.
October 16, 2002

Comment: sounds like the web master is getting more and more on top of things here. . that's wonderful. . it's ok to have debates. . but when it gets crazy here that's enough. . . love to the lambs. . . . john
October 16, 2002

Comment: Hey,webmaster, what happened to the post between my two posts saying not to diss on jws? avishai
Comment: For those of you who like to do research from authentic ORIGINAL Watchtower documents, dozens are available at a certain very well-know auction site. You know the one I'm referring to. There you can find tons of out-of-print, error-riddles literature to add to your spiritual "arsenal". Lawrence. By the way, thanks, webmaster, for putting the fear of God into anti-john and the other like-minded ,vicious posters. It will be wonderful not to have to deal with them anymore. John, I found your email addy. Will be in touch. Lawrence
October 17, 2002

Comment: Just wanted everyone to know i am still around a lot has been happening the last few months so i haven't been able to be online much. I have been reading post and i can see we still have the doubters and trouble makers. Some people just need to grow up and wake up more abuse takes place with in churches then people realize or even wanna admit and until we get real and admit its happening those people are gonna keep suffering and i for one am not gonna sit back and watch them hurt. I was a victim of child sexual abuse from my dad for 9 yrs and i know the pain and i am here if anyone needs a friendkingskid2004@juno. com -Penny
October 17, 2002

Comment: WEBMASTER. . . . . . You are fantastic!!! Thanks for your time and effort.
October 17, 2002

Comment: CLEAN UP TEAM TO GUEST BOOK 4!!! HEY GUYS YOU BETTER GET DOWN HERE. IT'S NOT PRETTY.
October 17, 2002

Comment: GROW UP PEOPLE SHEESH you don't believe us fine then why come here and slander us? I have never lied about my abuse and i don't believe others on here have either CAN'T HANDLE TRUTH? THEN STAY AWAY. - Penny
October 17, 2002

Comment: penny, I don't like JW's being slandered on this public site for all the world to see. I used to be one and most of them are good people, not child molesters.
October 17, 2002

Comment: I need to write this because i was rereading some of the post of october and i really need to speak out as a person that's been molested over and over for 9 yrs. The person said just get married and get over it and have kids. WELL tell me how to do that when i am so afraid of even a man touching me now and i am 38 yrs old and hate sex want no part of sex because when i was being forced to do it i was hurt and so now i wont do it cause the only memory of sex i have is IT WAS PAINFUL so telling someone just to marry is not the answer either because taking this kind of stuff in a marriage is not so good either what man wants to put up with a female that is afraid like i would be? NONE so people think before u write things here Webmaster i am sorry if i got to descriptive Penny
October 17, 2002

Comment: to the person that commented to me you may have been a good one but there are a lot of them out there abusing and molesting and they need to be exposed and besides jw's are a false cult and many are learning this Penny
October 17, 2002

Comment: Lets face the facts. The silentlambs web site is only a slice of the pie in respect to what is wrong with the Watchtower society. They allow people to be hurt by turning a blind eye. But they hurt other people with broken families, lies, cover ups, and mental cruelty. This religion makes a joke of truth, by holding such high standards in some areas then turning around in the same breath with abuse of its own members. I think the organization is nearing the tipping point, with declining membership or zero growth in developed countries.
October 17, 2002

Comment: *****the mole*****if it is true that now those who come here to do evil and stir up trouble are to be asked to leave its a great day in conquering evil. I have brought my knowledge and my wealth of experience to help those who are xjw's and those who are current to know that even though I'm trapped in my religion for family reasons, i can still speak out. i may have to hide my true id because of the position i hold in my hall but i am still human and will continue to alert those of the cancer that has come to us from the inside the organization (brooklyn). I will always ask for reformation and continue to point out the neglect and ignorance so that someday the headquarters will see that i will not go silent in the dark!. . . . ****the mole***
October 17, 2002

Comment: Hi Penny. Glad to see you back! Keep speaking out and people will not be so blind. I find people are just uninformed. It is the silence that has been kept for so long that aloud things to become what they have. All we have to do is say No that We will Not be Silent One more time then They say that No one cares. Only they are apathetic. I care. And, I am not alone. -Jayson
October 17, 2002

Comment: To The Mo le: I do not know your situation. What position do you hold in the Hall? Are you trapped because of immediate family? How did you come to the conclusion that something was wrong? Do you believe most of what is taught from the society still?HAS
October 17, 2002

Comment: WISDOM FROM THE WATCHTOWER"We should meekly go along with the Lord's theocratic organization and wait for further clarification, rather than balk at the first mention of a thought unpalatable to us and proceed to quibble and mouth our criticism and opinions as though they were worth more than the slave's provision of spiritual food. Theocratic ones will appreciate the Lord's visible organization and not be so foolish as to pit against Jehovah's channel their own human reasoning and sentiment and personal feelings. "(WT Feb 1 1952 80)AND WHO MADE THEM GOD??? I WILL THINK AND I WILL FEAL. TOO BAD WATCHTOWER. PEOPLE DON'T BUY YOUR CRAP ANYMORE.
October 17, 2002

Comment: Hey Jason thanks for the welcome back good to see you brother and yes i will continue to speak out because it does bring healing to know that others understand and have been there. Penny
October 17, 2002

Comment: WE WILL NEVER STOP EXPOSING THE WATCHTOWER FOR WHAT IT IS!!! KEEP FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT.
October 17, 2002

Comment: ***the mole*** I'm glad a positive question. thank you. When i became a M. S. i was exposed to something that left a bad impression back in 1999. there was a divorce and the issue i debated with the elders is how can there be more than three witnesses in an adultery issue? soon after when franz came out with his second book they acted as if it was the book of horror. the book passed from hand to hand until i was brave enough to read it and then i realized that brother franz had the same concerns i did, so i wrote him. then another M. S. was accused of molesting a young boy. One night the other M. S approached me during a picnic and said he was accused of this. he didn't know that me and the boy's mother worked out at the same gym. i asked her what happened and then she began to cry and told me the whole story. since then i have doubted the sincerity of the elders. i then wrote a letter to my family who are all witnesses about my grandmother and now i am under serious scrutiny. . . since then i have waited for a site like this to speak out and tell everyone what see and have learned. . . ***the mole***
October 17, 2002

Comment: rmk, your 10/12/02 post: I never asked you or anyone else to pray for the WTS, GB or ME. Also, I do not pass judgment on ANYONE'S experiences, whether in book form or here or face-to-face. Each one has their own perception and feelings. If that's the way they feel, then, that's the way they feel. No one should take that away from anyone - unless each person, herself or himself, has a different point-of-view and decides to change their mind about this or that. Changes made any other way are not genuine. - Janice
October 17, 2002

Comment: Josh, your post on 10/16/02: My point exactly. A person who has learned to have respect people will not make fun of, ridicule, a boy or man that has a girl's name. Actually, they wouldn't make fun of or ridicule anyone for any reason. - Janice
October 17, 2002

Comment: To all: I have notified the webmaster of the latest postings. To anyone coming on here for the first time, this is not typical of this site PLEASE don't be offended and leave ignore this until the guilty parties can be blocked and hopefully more.
Comment: awwwww they cleaned it up, too bad :(
October 17, 2002

Comment: ich bin kein praktizierender Zeuge Jehovas, wohl aber in kenntnis über die lehre weil ich mit ihr aufwuchs. meine eltern brachten mir und meinen geschwistern bei worum es sich bei "unserer religion" handelt und es war nicht immer leicht in der schule "anders" zu sein . . . aber eines möchte ich hier klar sagen - NIEMALS HÄTTE MEIN VATER ODER MEINE MUTTER ES GEDULDET WENN IN UNSERER UMGEBUNG SO ETWAS GESCHEHEN WÄRE ! dies wäre eine sehr schlimme sache gewesen und hätte sofort zur folge gehabt das wir kinder erfahren hätten was derjenige getan hat und das das falsch ist. den zeugen vorzuwerfen solche praktiken wären an der tagesordnung und sich dabei gegenseitig zu decken ist finde ich sehr weit hergeholt. ich kenne keine fälle und kann somit geschehene auch nicht dementieren, natürlich ist es auch möglich das es unter den zeugen pädophile gibt, aber es ist sicher nicht teil der religion und sozusagen "normal". abschliessend möchte ich sagen das mir die erziehung die mir meine eltern zukommen ließen ich heute noch geniesse, da sie mir ein sehr offenes und objektives weltbild gegeben haben. ich bin nur zufällig auf diese seite gestossen und bin wirklich verwundert , darum schreibe ich nun auch diese zeilen - weil ich ihnen mitteilen möchte das es auch Zeugen bzw. kinder von zeugen gibt die nicht geschändet wurden und die stolz auf ihr bekenntniss sind. grüsse aus Ö. Peter
October 18, 2002

Comment: To the Mole we all have shepherding calls doesn't mean that we've done something wrong though. And it depends on what you've said of course. Well people how do we really know what is true and what is false?i guess really only the person who writes it knows whether there lying or not. What i find funny is after going back to either august or Septembers post i saw that someone had written that they'd been abused by bill bowden and everyone was going what a liar but if someone says something about any other witness and its the truth very interesting indeed. So who do we really believe?Regards Josh.
October 18, 2002

Comment: Janice. It is certainly not for the name you chose for yourself that people ridicule you. It is for your hypocrisy twisted thinking and outright deception. Whoever is on the side of JWD is evil because the WT Society is EVIL. Reading your posts makes it abundantly clear where you chose to belong. Here is the address of LAWRENCE HUGHES. 20161 CALGARY PLACE R. P. O. CALGARY,ALBERTA,CANADA. he is the one in charge for suing the WT in GLOBAL CLASS ACTION SUITE. Write to him and join so you can be compensated for your suffering from the hand of the WT Society. His email:LawrenceH@cpvgroup. com I have his web site as well and will give it to you in a sec when I find it. RMK
October 18, 2002

Comment: Here it is. If you want to know what Mr. Hughes can do for you go to www. watchtower-victims. org It is very exiting. This month he is going to fight 4 different cases against the wt. 2 days ago he had a meeting with 4 lawyers who specialize in Class action suites against cults and they are very interested in joining the consortium in the States. He asked me to tell all my friends that he wants to hear from you. Wouldn't that be nice to see the WT belly up in our time?rmk
October 18, 2002

Comment: Peter seine October 18, 2002 post - Dankescho(e)n. Diese frage is sehr schwer. Es ist auch aufgerichtet ins alles die welt und bei leute auf yeder lebensweg. Es ist besonders schwer weil die "licht" ins die welt ist auch ins diesen schlamn. Das die Wachtrum mochte zwei zeugen ins eine privat verbrechen ist nicht wirklicht und unbillig. Es ist nict moral. Ich glaube die opfern aber der ist eine paar leute hier das ist bose und schmalern die ausgabe. Ja schule war schwere, aber es macht mich stark und gibt mich gut charakter. Die leute hier das ist immer auf angreifen macht die leute das mochte helfen hochnasig. Es ist night gut fuer die verletzen leute. Ich mochte die Wachtrum richtig machen. Entshuldigen meine Deutsche ist nigh schule Deutsche. - Janice
October 18, 2002

Comment: Thank you rmk. I will do my part. And I think it would be nice to free current and past JW's from the prison-cave that now wait for their-our destruction. But, it took Moses 40 years to get his people to shake off the slave mentality that they had. And that was imposed slavery. This type of slavery is one that they willingly stay in. They like the cage. They kiss the chains. They will not see of another way. We can't free them only they can free themselves. But, we will be there for them when they finally do. -Jayson
October 18, 2002

Comment: To all posts that submit in foreign languages. PLease keep this guest book in english. Other web sites are under construction where you can post in other languages to those guest books. Since we do not speak other languages than english, and can't translate what is said in that foreign language all foreign language posts must be removed. Sorry Webmaster
October 18, 2002

Comment: Comment: Peter seine October 18, 2002 post (IN ENGLISH) - Thank you. This matter is very serious. It is also rampant in all the world and in people of all types. It is especially serious because the "light" of the world also has these problems. That the Watchtower wants 2 witnesses in a very private crime isn't realistic or reasonable. It's not moral. I believe the victims but there is a small number of people here that are hateful and cause those who want to help (the victims) to stay in the background. Yes, school was difficult but it made me strong and gave me good character. It's not good for the injured people. I want the Watchtower to make this matter right. Excuse my German because it's not learned in school. - Janice October 18, 2002
October 18, 2002

Comment: Janice, tell us how you are going to help the victims of the WT. rmk
October 18, 2002

Comment: In support of Janice - on his view of the world: VH-1 is producing a video with a starring the inmate musician from a correctional facility in Pennsylvania who shot two young women(teenagers) to death in the back. Included in his rock band are rapist and another "lifer. " This will be viewed on national television. K-mart, the family store, sells music that is so violent, so graphic sexually, that it is unfit to be sold, or heard. ****It is a very sick world that feeds on deviant behavior and then feeds it more. **** I live this sheltered life and when I come out to see what is happening it is beyond what anyone could have imagined (although someone did imagine & then produced "images"). There is no answer but God's Kingdom and while I support "fighting" for what is right, one of these days Our Father will be so grieved with the people on this earth He will stop it. *** We are threaten with chemical warfare, nuclear warfare, there will be 14 million children orphaned in Africa shortly due to AIDS, we have american men vacationing in countries to have sex with children, we have MTV idolizing murders and rapists, people addicted to all sorts of drugs, & pornography - a continuous feed frenzy out of control. Don't leave God out of the picture, we are to remake ourselves in His image, hold on to the hand of Jesus only. To all those in pain never forget that your tears will be no more and the memory of it will be no more. There is no job, husband, family, financial security, health, or religion that can save us - only Jesus can do that.
October 18, 2002

Comment: Nothing that you stated has anything to do with the Jehovah Witness policy of protecting edifies or abusers. It does nothing to protect the children from farther exploitation. It does not bring the issues here to justice. You are blaming the world as an excuse to excuse your religion and that is bunk!-Jayson
October 18, 2002

Comment: who is the one in support of Janice? There is no name to the post. The content is not specific as Jayson pointed out. No help or constructive thought can be expected of Janice. He tries to mislead and obstruct facts and true issues we are dealing with. He is a faithfully servant of "Jehovah" the Borg. rmk I sent my email to John at the address he gave above. I wonder if I was trapped by one of our "friends" here by writing to John. I am going to call the police and instruct them that if ever anything happens to me they should look to JW for answer.
October 18, 2002

Comment: One question for BIO: If you are so happy and have so righteously put your abuse behind you and are living such a wonderful life, what the heck are you doing HERE? We "come back" to a place where the talk is all about sex abuse matters? Obviously, according to your OWN description, you should be long gone from here, grandma! /SLC
October 18, 2002

Comment: GOD BLESS SOAPBOX for being "right on" and understanding and expressing EXACTLY the needs of survivors which are: VALIDATION first and foremost, Being HEARD, No More FORCED Silence (not even by "Job's so-called-friends" like BIO who in that Superior-Sounding-Way is trying to SILENCE US again), No More Re-victimization by ANYone, etc. Soapbox, you always say it so well indeed! Thank you! /SLC
October 18, 2002

Comment: LOL @ Buster for using the phrase, "Hunky Dory"! :-D We must be from the same generation. Too funny! /SLC
October 18, 2002

Comment: TO: "I am listening" --- Well, unless you are the POPE (see NY Times article from today 10-18-02) and/or your name is Theodore Jaracz, et al. , then You (WTS) Is NOT listening, and HAS NOT been listening for 20 YEARS. So, YES, it WAS/IS necessary to speak out PUBLICLY to "get their attention" so they may "wake up" and take responsibility for their crimes, which they still have NOT done. Are you EMBARRASSED to have the gory truth revealed to the PUBLIC? If so, then it is people like YOU who, even unwittingly, condone and allow abuse to continue. IT MUST BE SPOKEN ABOUT. SILENCE is the ENEMY of children, not their friend. SILENCE aids and abets the ABUSERS. So why would you even say such a thing? /SLC ----- "I am Listening" wrote: It's not necessary to GO PUBLIC with child abuse stories to be healed. I certainly am listening, and if the victims' parents, elders,police, welfare workers did not listen then they are reprehensible in the sight of God. October 14, 2002" ----- P. S. to "I Am Listening": To "be healed" is NOT the only & main reason for going public! You are missing the point! GOING PUBLIC PUTS PRESSURE where it is needed MOST: On Those RESPONSIBLE for Forcing Silence, For Covering-Up, For Ignoring, i. e. , whomever they are: parents, elders, social workers, Governing Body Members, etc. But, of course, if your head is stuck in the Quick-Sand of DubDumb, then you can't see that because JWs are so alienated from the REAL WORLD. Well, here's a little lesson on how it works: Media is the FRIEND of the people, not Satan's Tool as the WTS wants you to think. Silentlambs speaks to Media to EXPOSE the problem (just like any good investigative reporter on your 6 o'clock news will expose that fraudulent furniture mover in your neighborhood). Then with this PUBLIC EXPOSURE comes PRESSURE from the COMMUNITY AT LARGE and/or Law Enforcement to force the GUILTY PARTY to acknowledge the problem, take responsibility for the problem, correct the problem. Get it? -- Additionally, EXPOSING the problem PUBLICLY is also EDUCATIONAL for the community at large who may have been in the DARK, including but not limited to parents, social workers, ELDERS, householders in your territory, etc. Remember, Daniel said knowledge would become abundant in the "last days," so why are you trying to SUPPRESS the outworking of SCRIPTURE? By all means, LET THE KNOWLEDGE BECOME ABUNDANT! SILENCE IS THE ENEMY and AIDS & ABETS THE ABUSERS TO CONTINUE THEIR DIRTY DEEDS. Anyone who knows ANYTHING about abuse KNOWS THAT much. /SLC
October 18, 2002

Comment: Hi MOLE: Great quote from the "Worship" book, i. e. , "AVOID THINGS THAT DRAW UNDUE ATTENTION TO SELF. . . " I would say that is GREAT ADVICE for a pervert, molester, abuser and pedophile. If THEY would stop drawing attention to THEMSELVES by doing dirty deeds to children for their own selfish gratification (GB members included), this website would not be in existence. Therefore, they should practice what they preach. /SLC
October 18, 2002

Comment: The various religions are like different roads converging on the same point. What difference does it make if we follow different routes, provided we arrive at the same destination. - -- Mahatma Gandhi
October 18, 2002

Comment: AMEN, Buster! /SLC ---- Back on 10/14 Buster asked for Someone to say AMEN! ;-)
October 18, 2002

Comment: Hey Soap: Interesting about it not being Faith but PRIDE! I never thought of it like that! I most definitely was a way-too-proud (to the point of self-righteousness) JW "back in the day. " ;-) /SLC
October 18, 2002

Comment: Anti-John can't get enough reaction to his posts, so he creates ELDER BOB @ POOP. com in order to fight with! Pretty funny! :-D /SLC
October 18, 2002

Comment: I didn't look at the site, but the title cracked me up: ELVES ON TRICYCLES. com. /SLC
October 18, 2002

Comment: BLESSINGS to The MOLE! Yes, thanks for the info this week. We don't mind. Pretty TACKY about the command from WT, INC. to "rat on each other. " How low is that? Fear, Paranoia, Suspicion is all that breeds among the "friends. " ----- Example: Oops! I better rat on you before you rat on me! Is what you are doing worthy of me ratting on you? Or should I wait? What shall I do? Will you please rat on yourself so I don't have to rat on you? --- etc. etc. This is the kind of stuff the friends have to fill their heads with. Ridiculous. Let each man render an accounting for HIMSELF to God. . . And didn't Jesus ask: Am I my brother's KEEPER? --- Give 'em Hades, MOLE! /SLC
October 18, 2002

Comment: john's email is good and so is he - don't worry. ************It was me who said that Janice had a point about the world. . . if you read my last sentence I also said that religion can't save anyone (WTS is a religion). . . there is no excuse for pedophiles or A WTS protecting them or a world that thinks it's okay to go to Thailand for sex with a child. I don't want to leave my name. There is nothing to argue about: the world sucks - and we are all when stripped, lonely and in need of God. ***the most negative thing I said was I was in support of Janice in regards to the world. . . . I think he is confusing most of the time too. But what happened here is that a month or more ago. . . if I supported anything good coming from someone who doesn't support SL 100% I would be criticized. This didn't happen before. And this began the beginning of how negative this site has become. First you have to establish what people have in common. . . . . anyway, I have an old saying "I don't dance for a dollar. " Janice is right the whole world is debauched so much so that to him the WTS looks "good. " Not everything needs to be argued. Not every JW is bad and not everyone not a JW is good. What is the big deal? Maybe I should hate all men because a lot of them are perverts.
October 18, 2002

Comment: Religion is not a road with any destination except chaos . . . quote by soapbox. Please feel free to use it!
October 18, 2002

Comment: Dear HUDSON, FLORIDA, visitor! Thanks for your encouraging comments about this website; and for also sharing your story. We are very sorry to hear about your Mom, and how shabbily she was treated once she came forward about her abuse. Yet, as usual, the perv gets his hands shaken and continues on as before. SICK SICK SICK!!! Would you like to be added to the mailing list for this website to be kept updated as to future events? Please see the home page, ADD ME TO EMAIL. And I'm glad John (thanks John) gave you Kim's info. She is someone you CAN trust! Hope you'll come back again. Blessings/SLC
October 18, 2002

Comment: Thanks Jayson for your quote. I liked that/SLC: "When one man says, "No I will not," Rome begins to fear. " -Sparticus
October 18, 2002

Comment: BTW, John, that was a great summary further back of the list of all of the WT "truths" from way back. Some of those little diddy's I'd never heard before. LOL! /SLC
October 18, 2002

Comment: Hi Josh! Hi Rich! Hi RMK! Hi Buster! (Don't want to leave anyone out). Now for the ladies: Hi Jesika! Hi Linda! Hi Soapbox! And Janice -- well. . . IT's a Mystery! /SLC
October 18, 2002

Comment: Who is Anthony? Someone told him to put on his PJ's and go to bed. . . What was that all about? /SLC
October 18, 2002

Comment: And what the heck was Bio talking about Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS)? (Or was she talking about International Bible Students??? LOL!) I must have missed the post where that was originally mentioned. . . but she said it was a "nervous condition" and/or food allergies, etc. and not caused by rape. Well, I'm beginning to wonder more and more about her college/psych degree; i. e. , One is Raped. One becomes Nervous due to the Rape. One Gets IBS. -- How about that? A connection after all! --- Of course, the IBS - Int'l Bible Students - could also make one Very Nervous, which can lead to chronic stress which can lead to IBS and also a weakened immune system which can lead to allergies. . . So, IBS or IBS -- works either way. Maybe it's time for a few side courses on physiology and/or biology? /SLC
October 18, 2002

Comment: Above nameless Janice defender. (1) I know that she can speak for herself if she so chooses. You again simply say nothing. About Thai's your right and they call prostitution"patriotic" and that is sick. But I am not a Thai nor would I pay for sex. So again your argument does not apply here. (to us) These people (sl's) were raped; and the Thai issue is condemned all over the world. I know as I was made aware of this in all basic Soc. classes in college. Again it is (((condemned))). But inside the WT this issue is ignored. Thus this site was born. The wt has evil doctrine that binds people in sin. Sin that is not forgivable because jw's refuse to acknowledge it. Here it can not be ignored, it is fact and if you still continue to support the (b)organization then you are guilty by hypocrisy. You may not understand that today. You may hate me today. But someday you will understand. I will not do anything but support the victims of this abuse and I condemn ALL Jehovah Witnesses so long as they support the doctrine that allows evil to run amuck inside your religion. If you are silent then you are guilty. Because if you are silent then the bad "evil" people can continue to do their exploitation. We should be united. There is not room for debate here. It is that simple. -Jsyson-End my discussion with you
October 18, 2002

Comment: I'm thinking some of the really bad posts have been removed, 'cuz I don't see anything about RMK being homosexual, so maybe they were removed. Good idea, though, guys/girls to take a break when it becomes too much. I've done that this week. It helps. Needed to get other stuff done as well. MOLE: Blessings this weekend. There are some great threads at www. jehovahs-witness. com on how to handle such "shepherding calls" when you know they are coming to ask if you still believe it is "God's Organization" or not. . . They give some great advice, lots of people have been thru it. Of course, your answers and strategy will depend on if you want to "stay in," or if you want to "fade away" in your own time and way; or if you don't care if they DF you or not, etc. If you have the time and/or the inclination, you can do a "search" at J-W. com or threads such as "Shepherding Call," or "Elder Visits," or threads like that. They are always fascinating the advice that is given. Good stuff! /SLC
October 18, 2002

Comment: Looks like RJ is BACK! (See 10/18/02. . . the NAMELESS post moaning about his having been driven away due to criticism of not being 100% on the side of Silentlambs). /SLC
October 18, 2002

Comment: WELCOME BACK PENNY!!! So nice to hear from you again. We appreciated your passionate and straight-forward posts. Don't worry! You did GOOD! Feel free to express yourself any time! We love you! /SLC
October 18, 2002

Comment: CONGRATULATIONS to WEBBY for posting the new rules! I'm glad to see they are "out of the bag" and now we all know. You guy(s) are on the ball and we appreciate it! /SLC
October 18, 2002

Comment: Thank you for the welcome back its really good to be here were i can express and know that i am loved and not put down. I had a lady in my life this past week dump me cause i didn't get over my past yet and abuse. She said its be long enough. Since when do people decide when we should be over this? oh and not to sound dumb what's SLC? lol Penny
October 18, 2002

Comment: Jayson: God's kingdom has nothing whatsoever to do with the WTS. I think that you mis-read what I said. I am not a JW. I don't sign my name all the time. . . my choice. I am 100% supporter of SL, but I don't have to hate someone who isn't. Janice made a good point and I shared some information that I had -stuff that is disturbing me lately that does relate because it is about how shameless people are - what would not have been thought of without shame, is now "normal everyday life" without an ounce of shame. I find it interesting that if I sign my name I get one reaction and if I don't I get another reaction. Sometimes I just don't feel safe enough to sign my name. . that is the truth.
October 18, 2002

Comment: Josh: you referred to a post that accused Bill Bowen as an Elder being abusive. Have you read Franz? His "crisis of conscience" came slowly but he did leave eventually. Franz was involved in serious decisions that devastated people. He redeemed himself by leaving and publishing his book. None of us lives long without hugh misdeeds having been committed by us. That is why the truth is so important. We are surrounded with lies. The bible can sharpen your perceptive powers, and so can the Holy Spirit. There is no such thing as just one lie - the WTS does not teach truth. Partial truth is not truth. Read the bible. Pray for truth. Don't depend on anyone else but the Father to teach you. I know about spreading lies thinking it was truth. Such shame I feel. soapbox
October 18, 2002

Comment: No name you are just playing games. Stop. I do not care if you are, were, or are not a Jehovah Witness. I care that you want to dilute the issues of the Jehovah Witnesses and how they handle cases of child abuse, and child rape. We are not here to address the injustice of the "world. " (I condemn it) I do not think that you are so narrow and shallow minded that you did not know that before your first post. -Jayson- If you are truly here to offer some support to (Sl) then thank you. But we need to end our discussion.
October 18, 2002

Comment: No name-Of course maybe I am wrong. Maybe I am over reacting. Maybe I'll take some time off from coming here. Maybe then I will see things differently. If so then an apology will be given. If not well, i hope we/I will see things with more agreement at some point. If we both support the lambs then there will be common ground. (On sabbatical)-jayson
October 18, 2002

Comment: Penny: You sound good! Have you looked up patiencepress. com yet??? She has much to say - "it takes as long as it takes. " You know you don't need people in your life that are not real friends. Some people don't understand and that's okay, but you don't need them around. I will look for email and email you my address. Love, soapbox
October 18, 2002

Comment: Penny, you will NEVER forget what happened to you. However, at some time you will learn to put the responsibility and blame on the one or ones who are responsible, the perpetrator(s), and not you. It won't matter what anyone else will say because you will know how to reply with conviction from the heart. You will look at such ones directly into the eyes without flinching and let them know that you know you are the victim and you are not responsible for what happened to you. At that point, hardly anyone will try and challenge you because they will know that you know the truth about what happened to you. Those who put you down or challenge you may be looking to rub salt into your wounds because they enjoy your pain and torment. Some are ignorant but there are a lot more people around then we would guess that like to know our troubles so that they can hurt us with them. Also, there are a lot of kind, compassionate and loving men who will not hurt you. They will listen to you and want to cherish and protect you. If you want a friend who will be your husband, you can find him - when you're ready. As to the person you thought was your friend but felt you've had enough time to get over it, that's how most people are and that's why it's important to be in a good support group. It's not even predictable when you'll feel more pain than usual and need to talk to someone and get comfort. "Regular" people can't deal with the ups and downs of the emotions. There can be a lot of reasons for that. They may have been through trauma and finally gotten over it, perhaps without help, and don't remember the pain and time involved. It can be that they know how much precious time is spent and how much power the abuser gets over one by allowing oneself to relive it over and over and be pained and crippled by it and they - at this point in their life - know that it's not worth spending your time on it. They may not be sympathetic to such people and difficulties. They may have had the same happen to them and they just kept it inside of themselves and kept going with their life but they never dealt with it. It's really important to learn to not let other people hurt us. The truth of the matter is that they will if we let them. There are a lot of people out there that inflict pain on others, whether they realize it or not. You can tell it's a lack of caring if you tell them that they hurt you with what they said and they tell you that you took it the wrong way instead of sincerely feeling bad about hurting you. As you gain confidence within yourself about the crime and the criminals that perpetrated this crime against you, you will be able to view people with more objectivity. You won't feel the need to explain yourself to others. You'll know you're just as good as anyone else and that you're a survivor. Most of us are survivors. Some of us just don't like being reminded of it, especially when they've put it and the crime and the criminals behind us and have moved on with our lives. We just do not want to give them power over us so we won't give them any time in our minds and hearts. THEY are HISTORY and we won't let them to continue to victimize us by our letting them monopolize us and continue to have power over us by our letting ourselves dwell on the act and hurt. It comes back but we fight it out of ourselves. You're not there yet. You will be. - Janice
October 18, 2002

Comment: Jayson: I can address any issue that is relevant to me about this issue. . . you are not the boss here!!!!! I have been posting for one year and anyone who knows me knows that I do not dilute this issue. I want to be free to express myself. You are being oppressive and very rude to someone who supports SL. Maybe if I knew more about you Jayson, I would understand why you find me so offensive. Why would you want to alienate me, who supports silentlambs? Because I don't want to destroy the WTS - I mean I won't cry if they go, but my life is too precious to be bothered. But if I can help open eyes, be a support, direct people to real help this I will do. I also come here to share what disturbs me, or hurts me or some insight I might have - and I have a right to do that without someone taking what I say out of context and attacking me. That is the same kind of bs that they do at the KH! If a JW's opinion isn't exactly the way it is suppose to be 100% - they are out. You will not succeed in telling me what I can say unless it is truly wrong - then I would listen. Not everyone cares if the WTS is completely wrong - for some of us the focus is more about having a safe place for SL to speak and express, help them find the help they want and are ready for. . . sometimes it is just letting them know I hear them. But don't tell me to shut up or be rude to me. I am very resourceful person and who has helped people personally here. Please let's try to be friends. The first time I stopped using my name, was about two months ago and it was because of your direct rudeness to me. It intimidated me and I just hate that. It use to be there was none of this EXCEPT from the JW defenders. It made me very unhappy when a SL supporter started ridiculing me. Oh, well. I only have so many hours and so much energy: I devote it to being a support to anyone who is hurting. Some days I hurt, too. If you read between my lines, you would see that I am hurting too for all the garbage: I have children and grandchildren. The world is about as ugly as it can get and amazingly it just keeps getting worse. This site use to be a great support for me and it got me thru a bad time. It isn't what it use to be.
October 18, 2002

Comment: FUNNY I SEE JANICE IS BACK!!!! BUT JANICE ANSWERED EVERYONE ELSE BUT ME????? BECAUSE HE/SHE CAN'T >>>>> ALL I WANT JW'S TO SHOW ME IS FROM THE WT TEACHINGS UP TILL 1919 THAT JESUS X CHOOSE THE WT BASED ON THAT. . THE REASON I ASK THAT QUESTION IS BECAUSE NOT ONE JW . . . CAN DO THAT WITH OUT LYING!!!!! NOW JWD'S WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE SILENT LAMBS????? THE WT BEEN LYING FOR SO LOOOONNNNGG!!!!THEY WOULDN'T KNOW THE TRUTH IF IT HIT THEM IN THE FAce. . . . john
October 18, 2002

Comment: watchtower quote of the day!!!!!!!!!" the Japanese beetle is said to be, at this time, our country's worst pest. . perhaps the devil made this one too; it looks like his work. . probably the lord made some of the useful insists, no doubt the devil made some of the others. . the lord is a better architect. . golden age 12-19-23 page 163-64,67,68 the g. a is a watchtower mag for all you jw's in the dark. . . in the bible it says that god created all the creatures. . . the wt says different. . . . look for the next wt quote of the day. . . . it gets better. . lol. . john
October 18, 2002

Comment: I want everyone to read what Janice has written. . . this is what SL is about first and foremost. Penny has been thru hell. . . absolute hell and she comes here for support. The only one who gave her deep & wise support was Janice. True christianity can be found hardly anywhere and but anywhere nonetheless. Please Back off of Janice - anyone who can show the insight that she does is not bad and is needed here and wherever she chooses to worship. Christianity is about love. She is no BioHarmony that is for sure - thank god!!!! JANICE: how you talked to Penny is the way it used to be here. Don't stop. Love, soapbox
October 18, 2002

Comment: Janice thank you for the advise I am still in the beginning healing stages my abuser was my real dad from 5-14 he raped me and no one did anything and they new. I am a survivor and always will be SOAPBOX my email is kingskid2004@juno. com email me i wanna stay in touch with u Penny
October 18, 2002

Comment: Soapbox i just went to the site u gave me thank you so much i have it saved so i can read it tomorrow i am going to bed now its after 11 here night Penny
October 18, 2002

Comment: SLC Anthony was Anti-Johns little imaginary friend. I believe Anti-John was coming up with another imaginary friend also. Anti-John is no more. Good by Anti-John, goodbye forever. Your 15 minutes of fame is over. Back to your day to day miserable little life.
October 18, 2002

Comment: Is the anti-john truly gone for good? Bless that wonderful name of JESUS!!!
October 18, 2002

Comment: Soapbox, I am the one that put the Gandhi quote on, after seeing the way the site was yesterday I felt something that might make everyone think for a minute would help. SLC what rules did the webmaster post I must have missed them can you give me a date or the are on the site? As far as your post about anti-johns website, the webmaster is trying to clean this site up I think after last nights horrible posts (which were deleted due to pornographic content and explicit PICS) that it is wise for everyone to not address any posts to them Penny I had written a comment to you about not letting anyone or anything get to you etc. but it was deleted due to it landing in the midst of the vile posts sorry. I just wanted you to know that until a person has walked in your shoes, their judgments and criticism is a mute point. Believe in yourself and be strong that is the best way to fight what happened OK Peace, Sheila
October 18, 2002

Comment: For people who read here often; Be careful. In light of all that I have seen here in the last few days. I find the new divisionists suspect. Very suspect. Be careful. -jayson
October 18, 2002

Comment: The first time I came across this site was by accident. . . the best accident in my life. As I read stories that resembled my life so closely tears started run down my cheeks. Before I finished reading it was well past 6am. My letter is not to preach but to inform. People in the name of all that is good, before getting into any religion. . . research, research and research some more. Because of my parents blind belief, I lost self confidence and precious time. Through the years, I self medicated and tried to commit suicide twice and lost my family. I have my good days and my bad, but for the most part I am learning to be free of fear, anxiety and depression. To everyone out there, stay strong and encouraged.
October 19, 2002

Comment: Janice: you say you want the WTS to put this issue right. we all here would love that to happen, but we all here know it ain't going to happen and that it can't happen! why can't it happen you may ask? well if you look at the WTS corporation as a legal entity which is what it truly is, then you have to understand the legal implications of changing their child abuse policy. it doesn't take a genius to work out that if they change their policy in effect they're saying that their policies were wrong and it would open the floodgates for lawsuits. so they have to stick to their guns on this and fight any lawsuits that are against them at this particular time. once they lose one lawsuit the a precedent is set then a floodgate of other lawsuits will be filed against them and then they'll have no chance. once you realize that, then you'll understand the true situation. *** hi to SLC keep up the good work. RICH
October 19, 2002

Comment: Jayson, If your speaking about the posts that were deleted, my hubby and I were talking and he seems to think that the one person doing all the chaos and defiling of the board was a witness. Why else would anyone care in less they were there ya know as for me I've just been busy with school and haven't posted for over a month. I needed to leave the board because I was revisiting the pain of being involved with them way too much. That is one thing I will say, when it becomes a have to thing to post I think anyone is too involved and needs to gain perspective. This board can be healing but it can also leave the wounds open and continue opening them if not handled correctly Peace, Sheila M
October 19, 2002

Comment: Sheila M-You get no argument from me there. I have really watched too many games be played out on this guestbook and am growing tired of it. (Not to say you did anything) If you go back a ways some of the posts directed at me flies in the face of everything I stand for. The bottom line is I will yield to someone who have a point to make. (Even a bad one. ) I have started the "end discussion thing" not as a slam but to try and stop endless bantering. (At least my own bantering) One of the biggest issues I have is that over and over the "world" is to blame for everything. When the world does nothing. We do it to ourselves and each other. But we take no responsibility for our actions. We are groomed to never hold anyone else accountable for their's. And if we do and they say I'm sorry and cry about it say they will never do it again then we have to forgive them. (Not just as jw's) and I think that is bunk. When someone hurts me it hurts and I will never forget it because it hurt. Forgiving is not forgetting. (Anyhow just something in my heart not directed at anyone. )-"The characteristics of heroism is persistency. All men have wandering impulses, fits of generosity. But when you have chosen your part, abide by it, and do not weakly try to reconcile yourself with the world. The heroic cannot be common, nor the common heroic. Yet we have the weakness to expect sympathy and appeal to a tardy sense of justice. If you would serve your brother because it is fit for you to serve him, do not take back your words when the prudent people do not commend you. "-Ralph Waldo Emerson-Jayson
October 19, 2002

Comment: Soapbox - Thank you for your support. I really DO understand what it's like to be a victim, to have experienced repeated injustices and to recover, forgive and then objectively view the entire situation, not just my own feelings. That's not to say that my own feelings have, somehow, become insignificant. However, being able to step back and look objectively at a situation helps to see the entire picture. It's very healing when one can do that. It STILL takes TIME, though. I've found very sympathetic elders who HAVE given me support and cut me more slack in my difficult times. I'm sorry for everyone that hasn't known such refuge within a congregation. ### That is probably why anyone challenged by a small handful here ignores the challengers. They're TRYING to respect the PURPOSE of this web site and the victims. I'm sorry to say that I do NOT detect any SINCERITY on the part of those that say they're in sympathy with Silent Lambs (SLs), even go on the march, but continue to use this support group as a forum for hate and destruction talk toward JWs and try to promote and force doctrinal debates. ### I only talk about my own experiences and my conclusions after A LOT OF YEARS. The truth of the matter is that it IS Jehovah God that doesn't interfere with persecutions of every sort. If it's HIS will that the WTS be destroyed, it will be. No matter how hateful anyone is toward the WTS, they won't succeed unless Jehovah God allows it to. This is true of any person or organization. People, even individuals, are instrumental only to a certain point. Ultimately, it's Jehovah's will that takes place. ### My personal experiences and conclusions are just as valid as anyone else's and, right or wrong, they ARE MY mind and heart and NO ONE that has an OUNCE of caring will trample on them or anyone else's. I'm not trying to force my "religion" down anyone's throat, so to speak. I'm only relating my experiences. To me, that is NOT the same as the spiritual and doctrinal challenges, debates and outright hate that is espoused here by a small handful. ### I'm trying to stay out of doctrinal debates, in particular, at this web site. As imperfect people, not one of us is exempt from abusing authority or one another. Each one of us has that potential. It's even more difficult to admit we're wrong - whether it's an individual or an organization. If lawsuits arise from that, then they have to be handled. Isn't that what Jehovah God requires? He's already warned us what will happen if we don't take care of matters properly at Matthew 5:25, 26. Therefore, the "price" for not doing what is right must be paid. ### However, such adverse talk against JWs is a HATE CRIME and it IS punishable by law. ### It's also NOT CHRIST-LIKE. ### Threatening to destroy anyone or anything is a crime. Hate crimes, in particular, have been a focus in the news over the last year. Such hatred is not acceptable - not to me or the world. Anyone promoting hatred and destruction of a person or group of any kind is advocating hate crimes and they really shouldn't be posting here. It is illegal. It's just as illegal as the crimes the victims are having to endure. Spreading hatred against JWs to friends, neighbors or strangers is a hate crime. Some can be so absorbed by hatred that they fail to realize that they've passed the point of what the world considers appropriate and they are actually behaving in and participating in criminal activities. ### That's all I'm going to say on this subject. My experiences are MY experiences and no one has the right to trample them. Espousing hatred and debates under the guise of being "for" SLs is, in my estimation, extraordinarily inappropriate for this support group. ### Such extreme behavior keeps away everyone else that is actually sympathetic to this group - including worldly people. It detracts from the legitimacy of this group (or any other group that seems to tolerate such activities). No one wants to get on the FBI's list of subversives by being associated with a group that promotes the destruction of a person or group. I think such ones should be GLAD of JWs tolerance and refusal to repay evil for evil and that we're NOT JEWS. THEY don't let such talk slide. It seems, therefore, that a small handful here should be grateful for the patience of JWs (at least in this matter). It does not help SLs. - Janice
October 19, 2002

Comment: My personal opinion I am grateful for this place. SIN should be exposed the bible says. JW who molest children should be exposed people who cover for these people should also be exposed maybe this will stop some of the abuse if we start standing up and saying ENOUGH IS ENOUGH and we are gonna expose every last person no matter who they are that hurts children INCLUDING JW'S. And what's worse is the JW'S using scriptures to cover up SIN saying they need 2 witnesses to see the child being abused COME ON NOW PEOPLE GET REAL!!!!!!!!!! you really think a JW or anyone for that matter is gonna ask someone that is abusing a child to sit in and watch the abuse??? My dad sure didn't. It is time to expose the JW'S for who they really are Penny
October 19, 2002

Comment: Janice. I say you sound like a wolf in sheep clothing. Nobody here hates JW's. We hate the WT Society as a legal instrument and entity and their criminal activities world wide. They should and must be investigated. Do not worry about Jehovah!He is not in WBTS. By the way He wants to be known for christians as Lord Jesus. Janice the sweetness of your voice presents no difficulty for me to hear what is underneath. It is forced. rmk
October 19, 2002

Comment: Penny, I'm not disagreeing with you. I've already CLEARLY STATED that in previous posts - even in posts where I didn't use my name. I'm also saying that if law suits arise, that's the way it has to be and that's what the Bible tells us will happen if we don't take proper care of matters. ### Matthew 5:25-26 says: "If, then, you are bringing your gift to the altar and you there remember that your brother has something against you, (24) leave your gift there in front of the altar, and go away; first make your peace with your brother, and then, when you have come back, offer up your gift. (25) "Be about settling matters quickly with the one complaining against you at law, while you are with him on the way there, that somehow the complainant may not turn you over to the judge, and the judge to the court attendant, and you get thrown into prison. (26) I say to you for a fact, You will certainly not come out fro there until you have paid over the last coin of very little value. " ### That is Jehovah's warning to us, as individuals or as an organization or both, and he's telling us to take care of such matters or else we're subject to legal action that could leave us penniless. ### However, there is a small handful that has POSTED HERE IN BLACK AND WHITE FOR EVERYONE TO SEE AND READ that they want the total destruction of the Watchtower society and its supporters. They, without any doubt or misunderstanding, have said they want THEM wiped off the face of this earth. THAT is a hate crime. If a VICTIM said that, I'd understand. That's a part of the injury and process of healing. A part that doesn't last as one continues to heal. However, this is not being said by victims but by those who are posting here trying to get into debates and create unrest by their hateful talk. I am not alone in saying that such ones do not belong here. ### In fact, I haven't even mentioned ANY NAMES but someone already is on the defensive, trying to mitigate (lessen) their comments or involvement in these hate crimes. Without my mentioning any NAMES, why would anyone react unless they're doing it? - Janice
October 19, 2002

Comment: Janice I am a victim and i want the JW stopped because there a false cult they twist the bible and lie about scriptures there telling people that only so many go to heaven and all this crap that are flat out lies I would love to see them totally shut down and i am sick of them knocking on my door. I don't want people pushing religion down my throat like the JW have done they don't need to be out deceiving people like they are and when i see them i tell them STOP DECIEVING PEOPLE stop twisting GODS word to fit there agenda and yes i am a born again christian Penny
October 19, 2002

Comment: Janice: so if i hate, say, the corporation Adidas for exploiting people as cheap labour in third world countries, would that constitute a hate crime?? i'm not one here who hates the WTS and i'm not bothered if they do go to the wall or not. but everyone here has the right to think the way they like, and just because you don't like it doesn't mean they have to go away. i don't agree 100% with everyone here and i don't agree with everyone's motives. you just have to be more tolerant. tolerance is something the WTS never tried to teach me. RICH
October 19, 2002

Comment: Janice. We all want justice done because we are all victims. This Evil WBTS has done that to us. Bill Bowen Barbara Anderson. James Penton. Ray Franz and thousands of others tried to reason with the GB and they do not listen and continue in criminal activities all over the Globe. They concentrate on poor and underprivileged, depressed and sick people and those in morning and they are after their possessions,money deprive them of their families,friends, jobs their health and FREEDOM. Modern but very cruel form of slavery. Ask anybody on this site if they are proud that they ever were Jeh Witnesses! You like to argue and accuse. I find you what I said above. You are a wolf in sheep covering. You are a Zombie from the Borg and you will stay that way until your eyes are opened. It seams this is going to take a long time because not only you are blind but deaf as well. As far as I am concerned Judas Iscariot was a better man than you. You are crucifying the Lord every single day whenever you open your wolfish mouth. On the subject of the name of JW. You are my witnesses says the Lord:that was given to Israel long time ago who were His witnesses. But you? Who are you? You are a scam religion. Evil , Satanic. God has nothing to do with you. You are a False Prophet! It is determined by Him that All that are guilty of false prophesying will be destroyed. Do not put wrong thought in anybody's mouth! You are a False Prophet and the Lawless Man. There is a book that was written secretly by several of elders from your religion called Report. Why don't you read it? Did you read Franz yet? Of course not. But you want to thresh straw. Keep going and you will starve to death to say the least. rmk
October 19, 2002

Comment: No, I'm educated, trained and experience in the field of law. Hating, alone, doesn't constitute a hate crime. However, threatening and talking abusively as though you will do harm to an organization, its people or both IS a hate crime. This group has to decide exactly what it wants to accomplish. - Janice
October 19, 2002

Comment: JANICE why the hell u defending a group that teaches false doctrine that takes the bible and twist it? Why u defending all these people that have molested children? ARE U ONE OF THEM? are u like someone said in here earlier a wolf in sheep clothing? I sure hope NOT. But it does sound odd that your defending a group that has been found to molest children Penny
October 19, 2002

Comment: janice. I quoted the Holy Bible to you. God hates falsehood false religion the False Prophet and The Man of Lawlessness. It is Him who talks destruction for all above. (I just agree with Him) Please complain to Him or, sue Him for Hate Crimes. Once more for the record: I hate the WBTS personally and wish that it be dissolved (destroyed) so it does not continue harming human society anymore. There are other cults as well that should go the same way. I do NOT hate any person in the WBTS or elsewhere though they brought me to the point of death. I and my family are victim of the WBTS and I do not want even to start relying to you what this religion did to us. I know God knows all what happened. He saw everything. He hears my sighing and groaning every day and knows my unabating pain in the heart,, Well Janice . Take me to Court for hating WBTS I will gladly attend. rmk
October 19, 2002

Comment: PENAL CODE SECTION 422. 6-422. 95 422. 6. (a) No person, whether or not acting under color of law, shall by force or threat of force, willfully injure, intimidate, interfere with, oppress, or threaten any other person in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him or her by the Constitution or laws of this state or by the Constitution or laws of the United States because of the other person's race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, disability, gender, or sexual orientation, or because he or she perceives that the other person has one or more of those characteristics. (b) No person, whether or not acting under color of law, shall knowingly deface, damage, or destroy the real or personal property of any other person for the purpose of intimidating or interfering with the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to the other person by the Constitution or laws of this state or by the Constitution or laws of the United States, because of the other person's race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, disability, gender, or sexual orientation, or because he or she perceives that the other person has one or more of those characteristics. (c) Any person convicted of violating subdivision (a) or (b) shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year, or by a fine not to exceed five thousand dollars ($5,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine, and the court shall order the defendant to perform a minimum of community service, not to exceed 400 hours, to be performed over a period not to exceed 350 days, during a time other than his or her hours of employment or school attendance. However, no person shall be convicted of violating subdivision (a) based upon speech alone, except upon a showing that the speech itself threatened violence against a specific person or group of persons. -What use of force has been used here at Silentlambs? Whom has talked about "scraping off the face of the earth" accept a Jehovah Witness defender who SAID that themselves? RMK has made it very clear that the issue is with the WTBS and he wants to deal with it in civil court. He has been (((screaming))) that. I would love to see the long debates moved over to JW. com. To do it over with the "no name" that would be what I would have said in my first post. That the "Thai" like the "Hmong" rape and sex issues are HUGE and would make a good thread there. It would also alert more people too the plight of these poor people. If that is the goal. But sometimes we don't get thing right the first time around. I just hear Jessika scream that this site needs to be protected, set aside for the Lambs that need to some forward. If I will quite down and be willing to move over to JW. com. Will some of you come with me? "No name?" will you come? "Sheila M" I could use your intellect. Will you come? Anyone else with knowledge of these things? They will blow you away. And the Hmong issue is right here in the USA. -Jayson
October 19, 2002

Comment: My experience in family matters and abuse is extensive, including my own experiences with repeated injustices. Therefore, I am, frequently, the person who does the initial intake of marriage, bankruptcy, family matters, etc. ### It is me that does that because I am a very understanding person. However, in sincere talk and it IS genuinely concerned and sincere on my part, I sometimes am confronted with underlying motives that appear in our conversation that raises red flags. ### We don't always refuse to represent a case simply because it has red flags. ### Also, after we decide to accept a case, usually it's me that does the research and writing related to individual cases. ### I can tell you that, had you been in an interview with me and you talked to me as you do here, I would not recommend taking your case. ### Of course, my recommendation isn't the final one but it has merit in the discussions of the pro and cons in one's case. ### If we decided to take your case, I would exercise my right to excuse myself from your case. ### And, do you know what? You've lost a potentially powerful advocate. ### I've been at this site for a few months trying to decide about you and your motives. ### Be glad that I'm exiting from here. I, personally, feel that your cause is futile with your current combatism. ### Since I have legislative connections through the family, I've been trying to decide if I should approach them with your issues. They are very much involved in mental and emotional needs of children, adults and the elderly. There's no way I would do so at this point. ### I'm used to various individuals acting nice to me because they think they can curry favors from me. That turns me off more than you'll ever know. Yes, I have to ask questions and make comments to get at how a person or persons really feel, think and act. ### You see, whether I'm in "secret" or "lying" or "hiding" or whatever you want to call it, I needed to see YOUR true "face", too. What I see isn't convincing as to motive. ### You see, there are people out there who have suffered so many more acts against them, didn't get justice but got necessary professional help so that THEY could get on with their lives. They've accomplished tremendous things in their lives in spite of all the dirt they've been faced with, had to swallow, and live with. ### If you want people to fight for you, it's going to be difficult. I doubt very much if you'll get it as a group. ### However, I'm sure there are competent lawyers that will take victims on, on a one-to-one basis - as it should be. ### Anyone willing to take on a class action lawsuit is taking on a huge task and it's not against the society that the load is going to come from. It'll come from you. Right now, you are your own worst enemy. ### You can take my words as a kind "hint" or you can get angry. You've gotta do more in a court of law than you're doing here. Also, don't forget that in a court of law, the OTHER SIDE gets to present their case, too. ### In the issues of child molestation, I don't doubt, one by one, that you'll win. However, in your efforts to make the society look like an untruthful cult, you've got a really UPHILL BATTLE. It's very doubtful that you'll get anywhere with it. Do you think the FBI hasn't already done an investigation of the society? ### My thoughts are that the society is the one I would legally defend if you're going to focus on threats and imposing verbal hate crimes against them. ### Take care and goodbye. You need help but it's not in a court of law, at least, not first. - Janice
October 19, 2002

Comment: JANICE THEN YOUR JUST AS SICK AS THE SOCIETY IF YOUR GONNA DEFEND THE CHILD MOLESTERS YOU MAKE ME SICK Penny
October 19, 2002

Comment: Janice. You are as false as 3 dollar bill. I do not believe a word of that what you said. And,thank you for leaving. It was not a pleasure unfortunately. When you read what I suggested come back we will be here. rmk
October 19, 2002

Comment: Hi all, it's Linda Thoman. I just wanted to say hello back to SLC, and welcome those who are new here. Hopefully with the changes going on with the Guestbook, the subject matter will continue to be cleaned up. To the new ones here, I'd like to extend an invitation to check out our group. Here's the link: http://groups. msn. com/WatchtowerExcape
October 19, 2002

Comment: When RICH first came here I was the only one who gave him respect, and ask for others to listen to him. He was bashed just because he was a JW. . . and now Rich is accepted. @@@@@@@Janice has shown insights -I have not read all her posts, but the ones I have read show intelligent insights. She is bashed beyond what is reasonable or rational. And I am ashamed to be part of SL's because of this. She is kind and intelligent, and extremely tolerant. Unfortunately, most have too much hate for the WTS to tolerate a JW who is kind. @@@@@Jayson, you say that the OBSERVATION of the ugliness of the world is the same as blaming the world and has no relevancy to Silentlambs even if it is a SL speaking their thoughts. If anyone is divisive or corrosive it is you. @@@@ Sheila - my quote was a bit on the "nasty side" -I am sorry. I am ashamed. Religion has done nothing but confused me, but me not being nice is about me not being nice. You know I respect you and your hubby,know you been thru a lot You have always contributed sincerity, & concern with your words. @@@@ I can't come back here anymore -I feel too much constraint in what I can say, who I can support or can't support. @@@@@The world is unjust, and cruel. Choose your battles wisely. To walk away is sometimes better than a battle. "If only" does not heal. Hard work and the grace of God heals. @@@@@@ THE TRUMAN SHOW: Truman hit the "wall" of illusion to enter into a world that had been entertained by exploiting his fake/controlled life. The ones who produced the Truman Show were no better than the ones who watched outside. There is no place to go that is safe as long as we are in this world. The world is in Chaos, not an excuse or to blame, but reality. It is costing me to be here, more than I can contribute or find useful in my growth to becoming a better christian. As Roy Masters says "become better not bitter. " I don't want to be bitter, or feed it. I want to walk with Christ. Love, Soapbox
October 19, 2002

Comment: SOAPBOX if u could stay in touch please Penny kingskid2004@juno. com
October 19, 2002

Comment: janice; why don't the wt follow matt 5 26-27 like you said. . they will be left penny less. . but were does that money come from. it comes from fools like you and 6 million others that have been fooled into thinking the wt is the fds and chosen by god. . . they speak for god . . . jehovah reviles the bible to them . . . the proper spiritual food at the proper time????? what a line of crap. . they change their light more than i change my age. . . rmk is right you are a wolf in sheep's clothing. . . make up your mind are you for the wt or not. . you contradict your self a lot. . . now you are playing with jayson. . . you are a goat. . . so ahead and sue me for calling the wt a false christ. . . THE WATCHTOWER IS A FALSE CHRIST. . . THEY LET CHILDREN GET MOLESTED, SO THEY CAN SELL MAGAZINES. . . THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE FLOCK. . THEY CARE ABOUT MAGAZINES. . . READ ANY WT ALL THEY WANT IS JW'S TO PUSH MAGS. . . I SEE RIGHT THROUGH YOU. . YOU SPEAK WITH A FORKED TONGUE. . . I WILL WAIT FOR YOUR LAW SUIT. . AND BLOW YOU AND THE WT RIGHT OUT OF COURT. . . YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE CASES THE WT LOST????? IT'S RESEARCH TIME. . . . I'M STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO ANSWER MY FIRST QUESTION. . . . YOU SAY YOU ARE A STAND UP PERSON AT THE HALL???TELL THEM WHAT YOU ARE DOING ON THIS SITE TOMORROW. . . THEN REPORT BACK TO US. . NOW YOU SUPPORT THE SILENT LAMBS. . AND DON'T CARE IF THE WT GETS SLAMMED IN COURT. . . GO TELL THAT TO THE ELDERS SUNDAY. . YOU WILL NOT . . BECAUSE YOU ARE A TWO FACE. . . . JOHN
October 19, 2002

Comment: MORE /SLC BULLSHIT Here: "Anti-John can't get enough reaction to his posts, so he creates ELDER BOB @ POOP. com in order to fight with! Pretty funny! :-D /SLC" and Here: "CONGRATULATIONS to WEBBY for posting the new rules! I'm glad to see they are "out of the bag" and now we all know. You guy(s) are on the ball and we appreciate it! /SLC"
October 19, 2002

Comment: anti-john fights it out with ONAN THE DESTROYER (a. k. a. Bill Bowen) in the fiercest battle seen so far. As ONAN raises his secret weapon, THE MASTURBATER 3000, anti-john lunges at him and dashes it to pieces. ONAN fumes at the loss of his most fearsome weapon. And so, ONAN slinks off to his secret lab in the back room to work on an even more devastating weapon: THE BUMJACKER 4000. Will anti-john's luck run out ? Will he be so scared he pees his pants ? Tune in next time to find out. . .
October 19, 2002

Comment: See how they run like pigs from a gun, see how they run. . .
October 19, 2002

Comment: MORE BULLSHIT "Anthony was Anti-Johns little imaginary friend. I believe Anti-John was coming up with another imaginary friend also. Anti-John is no more. Good by Anti-John, goodbye forever. Your 15 minutes of fame is over. Back to your day to day miserable little life. "
October 19, 2002

Comment: Thank you soooooooo much for this inspiring site. Truly this site is in harmony with Jehovah's purpose to keep care of the little children! It is a blessing that Jehovah has some faithful on the earth that truly follow His commandments. Agape
October 19, 2002

Comment: Poor little anti-john. Now who pulled his face out of the toilet before he learned his lesson? Quick, plunge his head back into the cool waters of his origin so that his facial orifice may continue to feast upon his favorite food and drink! Be careful, anti-john, that you don't ingest any of the toilet paper. I don't think it contains any nutritional value. And be sure to keep the lid down as you feast! The look of sheer delight that covers your face is pretty disturbing. Sincerely, The ANTI-anti-john.
October 19, 2002

Comment: come on. . . these people are suggesting that religious nuts just come round knocking on our doors to molest our children, not just bash us with large bibles. . . don't you find that a little odd? Next time they wake me up with a hangover early on Saturday morning, I'll probably get so mad I'll put up a sign saying "sorry, We don't have any kids here. Try next door. "
October 19, 2002

Comment: Amazon. com sells books that condones sex with children. They have been asked to stop doing this But will not "censor" their books for sale. More information at afa. com or American Family Association. Maybe buy your books elsewhere.
October 19, 2002

Comment: I love Jehovah and waited 26 years waiting for relief, and waiting for the elders to see. I disassociated myself last year after a decade of waiting for the elders to help. My daughter is also a victim. I, however, saw it to the finish, and witnessed more than I dreamed I'd see. The elders weren't going to take action for my daughter until my husband was arrested. I wanted to leave then. I still could not see the picture. I saw it till the end, every tactic they used. Of course, I was then disfellowshipped, for they could not permit me to disassociate myself. Our extended family has many who have suffered. We puzzled over the family problem instead of seeing it was the religion. My daughter and I had been shunned for many years until I decided, as my daughter had before, that there was no love. My mother-in-law, who had been disfellowshipped many years before said, "If they have it so wrong in just one family, just think across the entire organization. " We have suffered severely as a result. The story is copious, with some of the injured still amid the cult. It's still difficult not to be in denial.
October 19, 2002

Comment: I just noticed a comment about slandering. I did not mention that in my my last message. One of the claims I made about my husband was that he had been slandering me. My daughter and I had been turned into scapegoats for the disfellowshipping of my husband's mother. That began in the early 80's. After the authorities had taken action on my behalf, too, the elders began calling me a slanderer. They threatened me with disfellowship for slandering. And, in the end, before the committee, as I was called it again, I replied, "That's it. I take responsibility for what I do, not for what I do not do!" And, stated that I was still disassociating myself. I trusted in, and went to the elders instead of the authorities all those years, and they refused to help! The world came to the aid of my daughter and myself.
October 19, 2002

Comment: Dear you and your daughter. They did it to you as well?What you said in your 2 posts is a normal practice of JW. You suffered your daughter suffered your whole family suffered but you were blamed. In their eyes you were a complainer a troublesome person that is never happy never submissive enough to your husband and the Borg. So they hated you and sought not a way to help you but a way to destroy you. Not love but punches in the jaw you received. The Pharisees did that to Jesus. He was telling them the Truth. They did not like that so they crucified him. They killed him. I know that many times you feel depressed and in pain and can't believe the reality of that what this" beautiful and clean?" org. of Jehovah did to you. But they did. Please thank God for being out of there because they have no power over you anymore. But the Lord cared for you . He delivered you from the pit of Lions and He will restore you completely. It will take time but he will be with you to guide you. In the meantime please read some books dealing with cults and stay here on this site so you learn to be strong and see that there are many thousands like you. Together we are strong. The Borg is terrified of us and we have to continue pursuing the WT in courts. Look up the email of Lawrence Hughes in previous posts above and join the Global Suite Action against the WT. They owe as a lot. It is basically free of charge. The elders and all wt leaders are just plain criminals. No need to feel sorry for them. More we pursue them more money we extract from them sooner they will fold up and release our loved ones from the Lion's pit. Please feel free to express your pain here whenever you feel like. People here will help you. rmk
October 20, 2002

Comment: Watchtower Quote of the day*****the period must end in 1925. the type ending, the antitype must begin; and there fore1925 is definitely fixed in the scriptures, every thinking person can see that a great climax is at hand. the scriptures clearly indicate that the climax is the fall of satan's empire and the full establishment of the messianic kingdom. The climax being reached by 1925, and that marking the beginning of the fulfillment of the long promised blessing of life to the people, millions now living on earth will be living then and those who obey the righteous laws of the new arrangement will live for ever. therefore it can be confidently said at this time that millions now living will never die" golden age pg 217 jan. 4, 1922, pg 217
October 20, 2002

Comment: Janice: so on the basis of what i said about the fact that the WTS wont change their child abuse policy, are you still going to wait for them to change it? **** RMK why do you continually argue with Janice?? what you battle against, you become. just imagine if the WTS did finish, there would be another group set up to take its place. this is the world mate. i'm not saying that you shouldn't carry on the way you are, but this is the way i see it, "he that is doing unrighteousness, let him do unrighteousness still; and let the filthy one be made filthy still; but let the righteous one do righteousness still, and the holy one be made holy still. " Re 22:11. i mean, they're using God's holy name for goodness sake! you don't think Jehovah is going to let them get away with their wickedness do you? when people wake up and stop giving their minds away, then cults like the WTS wont exist anymore, they stop becoming reality. really i don't blame the GB 100%, i blame all those who give them their power. this child abuse policy is the product of the whole group's mentality. the WTS are their own worst enemy. what they fear actually becomes reality. AND IF JANICE DOESNT BELIEVE SHE'S PART OF A CONTROLING CULT THEN JANICE SHOULD GO TO HIS/HER ELDERS AND TELL THEM THAT THE WTS CHILD ABUSE POLICY IS WRONG, WHY ITS WRONG AND TELL THEM WHAT IT SHOULD BE AND SEE HOW HE/SHE IS TREATED. IF JANICE DOESNT DO THIS BECAUSE JANICE IS FEARFUL OF THE CONSEQUENCIES, THEN JANICE KNOWS WHAT IS BEING SAID IS TRUE. when Christ talked about when he returns would he find the true faith on earth, he wasn't being rhetorical, he was asking a bloody serious question. RICH
October 20, 2002

Comment: Child porn swoop nets 90 police Martin Bright and Paul Harris Sunday October 20, 2002 The Observer Hundreds of child welfare professionals, including police officers, care workers and teachers, have been identified as 'extremely high-risk' paedophiles by an investigation into internet porn. The discovery came after US authorities passed on more than 7,000 names of UK subscribers to an American-based child porn website. When police examined a sample of the most dedicated users, they discovered that many worked with children. Investigators knew paedophiles targeted jobs which brought them into contact with children, but were shocked by how many British suspects had been undetected by the usual checks. The discovery that many were working in jobs of the highest sensitivity will send shock waves through the child protection world and lead to calls for even more stringent safeguards. Investigators now believe as many as 90 police officers have so far been identified from an initial trawl of 200 of the British names found in the US. Many of the other suspects work in other sensitive professions, often linked to the criminal justice system. John Carr of the Children's Charities' Coalition for Internet Safety (CHIS), which represents all major children's organizations, including the NSPCC, NCH and Barnardos, said: 'It's very distressing to learn that so many policeman are being arrested for these sorts of offences. It undermines people's confidence in our ability to deal with it at all. ' Harry Fletcher, deputy general secretary of the probation union Napo, said: 'There has been growing evidence over the past 10 years that paedophiles have infiltrated careers that put them in direct contact with children. This latest evidence suggests we have to be even more vigilant. ' Specialist child porn investigators, including officers from the National Hi-Tech Crime Unit, have initially concentrated on users who had made more than 10 purchases of child porn from the internet. They used a US web 'portal' that gave access to dozens of sites with titles such as Cyber Lolita, I Am Fourteen and Child Rape. The sites were run by porn barons in Russia and Indonesia and involved abuse committed on captive children. British involvement in the child porn ring was so large that police set up Operation Ore to investigate all 7,200 subscribers in this country. They have passed on all the names to the relevant forces for further investigation; 700 are known to be in Scotland and 279 in Cambridgeshire. Police believe at least 5,000 could be considered 'goers' and lead to arrests. Operation Ore has also uncovered civil servants, a firefighter and a teacher in Northern Ireland. Another teacher has been arrested in Cambridgeshire and suspended from working with 11-year-olds at a village school. One Home Office insider told The Observer that investigations targeted the most serious cases, where arrests and convictions were thought to be relatively straightforward. These involve images of pre-pubescent children where suspects cannot claim they believed they were purchasing adult porn. The US investigation, Operation Avalanche, was set up by the United States Postal Inspection Service, which probes online porn. It began in Texas and has generated more than 75,000 identities worldwide. The website portal was run by Thomas and Janice Reedy, a married couple in Fort Worth, Texas, who were running an online porn empire from their suburban mansion which generated £1 million a month in fees. Both have been sent to prison. The Association of Chief Police Officers (Apco) has warned Ministers that forces do not have the resources to deal with the problem. It is awaiting a Home Office decision on a submission for £2 million of crisis funding. A Home Office spokeswoman said Ministers welcomed Acpo's focus on the issue, but they had already provided an extra £25 million to help combat hi-tech crime, including child porn. A police spokesman said: 'There are people up and down this country who are sweating. Give us their computer, even if it's been thrown on a skip, and we can quickly nail them. ' Observer sections _______________________
October 20, 2002

Comment: WISDOM FROM THE WATCHTOWER "The Catholic Church occupies a very significant position in the world and claims to be the way of salvation for hundreds of millions of people. Any organization that assumes that position should be willing to submit to scrutiny and criticism. " (AWAKE Aug22 1984 28). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . compare with. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . "From time to time, there have arisen from among the ranks of Jehovah's people whose who, like the original Satan, have adopted an independent, faultfinding attitude. "(WATCHTOWER Aug15 1981 28)
October 20, 2002

Comment: Hi Rich. What you said is absolutely right. I thought that Janice is a man and I just couldn't take that twisted thinking and double play any longer. I am truly sorry that I did not restrain myself more. He was making many of us sick and I had the feeling he was an impostor. He was ignoring all evidence about the WT. I thank you for your kind reminder to let things go sometimes but I have done that for 25 years in the WT and now I find that my patience with them is over. I find them to be liars and crooks that should be taken to task for what they do right away. I was patient with him for a while but came to the conclusion that he is absolutely not interested to find out where the WT is coming from. But is that my business? I think yes! it is. Why? Because I care about the Lord and His people! "Do not throw pearls to swine says the Lord" and after a while you ought to stop. Don't let anyone be sorry for Janice parting from us. He does not deserve that. If he did not discern that we are genuine in our experience with the Borg than just too bad for him. It is between him and the Lord. Nobody has taken away from him anything. But yes I do not want to battle with anybody and I won't from now on. I will be more tolerant. Thank you rich for your timely reminder. It is appreciated. To all my friends on the site I wish a nice and blessed Sunday. rmk was
October 20, 2002

Comment: If anyone has soapbox email could u email her for me and tell her i would like to stay in contact with her please She has been an inspiration to me in here as well as some of the men have here Penny
October 20, 2002

Comment: I have been free from the Watchtower since 1996. It took time to get myself straightened out but I am doing great now. It was the best thing I have ever done. I did a lot of research before and after leaving. It has been a long road but well worth the effort. Keep strong. DWH
October 20, 2002

Comment: DWH Welcome ! would you tell us why are you so happy to be out of the WT? Some say the ORg. is good but some individuals among the elders are not representing the Society as they should and that's why people complain. Would you like to share some of your experiences with us? It would be appreciated. rmk
October 20, 2002

Comment: hi DWH;; WELCOME happy to have you . . . glad you took off the rose colored glasses. . . it sure makes jesus happy. . . . look forward to hearing from you . . . . john
October 20, 2002

Comment: I am very thankful to Bill, for having the opportunities of seeing what is happening inside the organization, i agree that the policy of watchtower is defend to the abuser, and no protect to the victims, certainly the Society is not showing the love that the little ones need. greetings to Bill and keep on ahead. .
October 20, 2002

Comment: ok i know that i only gave a crumb. of that meat in due season. . about the 1919 1922 conventions and the 5 year campaign of millions now living will never die. . in the wt quote of the day. . . here's another. . 1925 is definitely settled by the scriptures. the christian has much more upon which to base his faith than noah had ( so far as the scriptures reveal) upon which to base his faith in the coming deluge. wt april 1, 1923 pg 106 lets not forget the wt was saying that 1799,1874,78,1914,1918 etc. . were all gods dates also coming from god and the stone witnesses the pyramid. . i will be posting these wt gems shortly. . NOW LETS SEE WT THE WT SAYS ABOUT THESE TEACHING YEARS AFTER THE PROPHECY FAILS. . STIRRING UP INCREASED INTREST IN THEM, JEHOVAH CAUSED TO BE PREACHED FROM 1918 ONWARD THE STARTLING PUBLIC MESSAGE "MILLIONS NOW LIVING WILL NEVER DIE" NOV 15 55 PG 698 imagine that !!jehovah himself was behind the millions campaign advertising the end of the world in 1925 . . also see wt 4 1, 63 pg 218 or any other wt that glorifies the 1919 22 conventions or the millions campaign. . seems like a lot of these wt are from april fools day. . . are the wt making fools out of jw's????
October 20, 2002

Comment: before all the silent lambs blast me for the wt quote of the day. . . remember the wt will lie about anything to save their hide. . are they lying about their history??? are they lying about child molesters???? and everything else they get busted on???? see the point!!!! it's my angle to show the the wt is a LIAR!!!!! IT HELPS MANY. . . . LOVE TO THE LAMBS ,. . . JOHN
October 20, 2002

Comment: Hi again, I haven't been to this site for awhile. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . I haven't read all the posts made most recently. . . . . . . . . . . . Our family has been in Crisis. . . . . . . . . . . . . . Since we can be tracked to our server I have changed how I write in to this site. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . I want to protect myself and my family from any consequences of previous posts. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (I told of many things going on in the congregation; I not one of the threatening persons who come and put down victims; we are Silent Lambs) When I am ready and we are safe we will come forward. . . . . . . . . . . . My safety is paramount right now. I would be knowingly putting my life in danger if I could be identified in any way. I have had my life threatened many times and attempts made. . . . . . . . . . . . . I have put up with attempts made on my life and family and threats from my X (abuser) for years. . . . . . . . . . . . . Maybe some day he will be made accountable for all the pain, heartache, fear, suffering, death, destruction, and destructive effects he has caused to us and those who have supported us in the community. . . . . . . . . . I want to thank the webmaster for the brief time we were able to say what was happening and talk freely and for being anonymous. It allowed me to speck so freely. . . . . Now I am not safe to say all there is to say. I will not be forced to come forward before all my family members are safe and we are not right now. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Still praying for Jehovah blessing promoting protection of the children. . . . ANONMYOUS
October 20, 2002

Comment: Now nothing could be more hypocrite than this as well as a total twist on free speech: Thank you for writing to Amazon. com with your concern. Let me assure you, Amazon. com does not endorse the content of such books. Simply because we sell a book does not mean we agree with the ideas it contains. Please know that, contrary to rumors that have been circulating around the Internet, such books are not a "how-to" manual for child abuse. We believe that people have the right to choose their own reading material. (YES THIS IS SICK) Our goal is to support freedom of expression and to provide customers with the broadest selection possible so they can find, discover, and buy any title they might be seeking. That selection includes some titles which most people, including employees of Amazon. com, may find distasteful or otherwise objectionable. However, Amazon. com believes it is censorship to make a book unavailable to our customers because we believe its message to be repugnant. While we do not censor items from our web site, I wanted to reassure you that Amazon. com does not promote these kinds of titles. We value all feedback from our customers, and I thank you again for taking the time to send us your comments about this issue. Best regards, Sucheta V. Amazon. com Earth's Biggest Selection
October 20, 2002

Comment: ACCORDING TO AMAZON THESE BOOKS MENTIONED BELOW ARE NOT HOW TO MANUALS OR A RUMOR. The Internet chat rooms are abuzz with the name Jeffrey Bezos, Time magazine's choice for “Man of the Year” for 1999. But those posting on-line opinions lean heavily toward the nuance that Time has erred in its decision. The American Family Association agrees, but for differing reasons.
October 20, 2002

Comment: I hope that all will stop buying books from Amazon - they are fake for $$$$, and haven't looked at the books they sell that INSITE pedophiles to commit their violence against our children.
October 20, 2002

Comment: TO ANONMYOUS: It is sad that you cannot speak freely here. As usual, a few rotten apples ruin it for everyone else. As far as tracing your IP to your geographical location, it is technically possible, yes. It is often possible to find out what town or city you live in just from your IP headers. In fact, since every server keeps logs, this information has been recorded all along, including the IP's of every person who has even visited the site. But the webmaster is the only one who can access this information. The issue really comes down to whether or not you trust him, the administrator of this web site. If he wanted your name, address, phone number, etc. he could easily locate your service provider and ask for the information. But most ISP's have strict privacy policies and he would have to apply through a lawyer or contact the FBI and prove that you had posted material inciting to violence or unrest, or pornographic stories about children. I'm sure you can see that this would be very costly and time consuming for him, and he would not go through this for trivial reasons. I am quite sure that you have little to be worry about. For all practical purposes it is perfectly safe to post here. GDB
October 20, 2002

Comment: ANONMYOUS-I hope you have safety right now. I hope you are not in hiding. If you are and you need help. Bill does know of people who can help you. You are not alone. Many of us here are willing to help you if you are in trouble or in need. (This is not a Jehovah Witness issue it is a humanity issue. ) There can not be anything worse than to fear for your life. If we can help you in a way that you feel safe I hope that we can. This is an open forum so here might not be the safest place for you to come forward but I sincerely hope that we can provide you some safety. Contact Bill Bowen directly. I pray that God will look over this ANONMYOUS poster and if anyone here has the ability to help this person, or anyone in this type crisis please do. -Jayson
October 20, 2002

Comment: Anonymous, Why would you fear posting here? The only ones that would be tracked by there IP would be violators such as ant-john that has posted some pretty vile things. Any site you go on can trace IP even a hacker can. If your not posting things you shouldn't then what do you have to fear or are you trying to create fear for those who post? Sheila
October 20, 2002

Comment: Jayson - you are very sweet, wise and kind in your words of comfort to the person in fear of their life.
October 20, 2002

Comment: To the person you is afraid for their life. Please call Bill Bowen. You have a right to ask 100 or 1000 questions before you want to risk your safety. That is intelligent and wise. If your questions are not answered or respected, or you are shamed for asking - end the conversation and move on. I pray to Our Father for your safety and the safety of your family. I pray for you to find the help you need with speed and efficiency. My christian love to you. (I thought I had posted this already but didn't see it)
October 20, 2002

Comment: Greetings to all, the guest book is still a work in progress. To all those silent lambs out here, worry not, no one will ever have access to your IP address. The only information the public will ever have is that which you post. Yes, there are a select few who have posted extremely vile art work, photos and language. Those IPs are recovered from the Server Logs and I have been directed to go forward with investigations using posted history as evidence as to the guest book abuse. It is not true that the Internet Service Providers do not care about those who abuse. The ISPs and their providing backbone services rely on all our business and serve the public to that end. They react immediately to an investigation of abuse. Rest assured Silentlambs is working to give you the most enjoyable site possible. I commend those of you who have come forth and shared your stories, like the examples in the bible from those who come before you sharing historical christianity with you and I, all examples collectively give strength to the whole body of Christ. Now more than one of us work on the site to improve it and help develop it. The guest book is one of my personal areas of choice and receives much more of my time now. I monitor it when I get up, daily and before I go to sleep at night. I share abuse issues with the owner of Silentlambs and act upon it accordingly with all agencies of internet connectivity and the law. It is my hope, and prayers to those who are the silent lambs of the world that you find peace, healing, and comfort in the Arms of God and within the home of the Silentlambs web pages. In Him. . . . . . . . . . . webmaster
October 20, 2002

Comment: Bill is working so hard. . . . . . . too hard for this to turn into a gripe line! Please support the ones who need it and open a chat to complain PLEASE.
October 20, 2002

Comment: I e-mailed the Watchtower society and asked very politely how the man who raped my mother is allowed to sit i