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September 2002 Guestbook
Remote User:
Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
04:24:29
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I personally was abused by Bill. Which makes me wonder why he
is on this crusade. Perhaps, it to cover his own inadequacies.
Maybe it's to make it seem like he was never guilty of abuse
or that he should turn himself in to the authorities. The abuse
cannot truly be defined as sexual molestation but to some it
could it was abuse never-the-less. There are others I know who
Bill has gotten disfellowshipped and thus ruined their lives
too. There was advice he gave that prevented me from getting
the necessary education I would need to succeed financially. Also
he went along with the attitude of why should I pursue anything
in this system of things when it was coming to an end anyway
or why have children in the wicked system. If you think I'm lying
go ahead and ask him if he ever committed adultery in his heart.
Ask him if he thinks he ever ruined anyone's life because he
was responsible for disfellowshipping them resulting even in threatening
other family members of disfellowshipping if they even said hello
to them. Be careful of him, he is a Wolf in Sheep's clothing
and a hypocrite himself.
Remote User:
Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
07:29:54
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Remote User:
Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
10:35:38
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Remote User:
Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
10:46:38
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To: LR - Barcelona, Spain You say these lambs are "subtly" branded
as demonized. My experience was not subtle. I could not be
disfellowshipped, as I was never baptized, so instead I was
'disassociated' and anyone seen talking to me was informed
that I was demonized. All because I spoke out about what happened
to me and refused to take the blame for being abused. I am
still branded as demonized, decades later. I have learned to
'wear the brand' with pride. I know that God is with me and
loves me. The hateful god who is blindly followed by JW's is
not the true God found in scripture. CJV - Ontario, Canada
Remote User:
Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
10:49:24
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To the person who said he was 'abused' by Bill. If what you
say is true, it is an example of how controlled we are by the
WTS. As an elder, he would have to support what the WTS mandated
or 'strongly suggested."=== We all know how the WTS feels
about higher education. When I was 53, I went back to school
as I was divorced and having a hard time supporting myself.
Even at my age, remarks were made about me returning to school.===Bottom
Line all of this is JUDGEMENTAL.== Usually it takes something
dramatic to 'wake JW's up' to the mind control, etc. The child
abuse did it for me ...however most JW's I know just won't believe
it. Their lives are too encompassed by the WTS and their minds
are so controlled and conditioned that they just will not allow
themselves to believe it. How can elders who have children
accept the WTS policy of protecting molesters? MIND CONTROL!!
In fact, HIGH MIND CONTROL. How can we as parents become aware
of molestation (our own child or someone else's) and not even
think of going to the authorities? MIND CONTROL! I know because
I did it. I knew of a young girl being molested by her father
and I went to the elders. When they told me that he denied
it and I was to not talk about it to anyone or I could be guilty
of slander, I shut up. When I look back at it (10 yrs ago)
I can not believe I did that. So whatever Bill did as an
elder;disfellowshipping, bad advice, etc. was done as a good
follower of the WTS. And if you followed his advice, you were
doing what you were supposed to be doing as a JW. It took an
issue like child abuse to open his eyes, take the blinders
off, and examine the WTS policies.=== I hope you have found
happiness and peace in your life now. === The above is my opinion
about the situation ...I don't even know Bill but I have been
a JW for almost 35 yrs. so I think I am qualified to speak
on how most JW's think...for the most part they don't...at
least about the WTS. jazbug55
Remote User:
Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
11:47:11
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If Bill abused you personally why don't you sue him? You won't
because you are a liar You have no moral or ethical principles.NO
JW does! You are nameless. You are a typical JW a crook in
the service of the WT Society. The bread you eat you do not
deserve. You are in the service against God and so you are
absolutely condemned! RMK
Remote User:
Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
12:40:13
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slc when i said you will never find that article. i was referring
to the one , about how the wt sends lawyers to court etc .
to protect molesters send all the gag orders they put . after
they pay money in cases the wt knows they would lose in A COURT
OF LAW. CHRISTIAN LOVE JOHN
Remote User:
Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
12:59:29
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To no name who accuses B. Bowen of sexual abuse, I may agree
with one part of what you said, that he probably was involved
in DF'ing people, but the fact is that when it came to the
subject of child molestation he took a stand and was DF'd those
are facts, the rest of your comments sound to me to be nothing
more than Kingdom Hall ankle biting policy Your ability to
shut people up to hide your unethical treatment of people does
not fly,we are not morons like those you seek...NP
Remote User:
Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
13:09:58
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Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
13:18:07
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Remote User:
Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
14:59:14
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Found this on JW.com and thought I would pass the idea on to
you guys********************** Great Idea All Of Us Can Do
- Easy too! Sep 1, 2002 14:37 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Every envelope you send out for now into next year for example
put "silentlambs.org" and also "freeminds.org" somewhere
on it. Edited by - nancee park on 1 September 2002 14:37:21
[ Profile Above ] Re: Great Idea All Of Us Can Do - Easy too!
Sep 1, 2002 14:41 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Or silentlambs.org and jehovahs-witness.com. Anyway, the idea
is that putting this on the envelopes of letters we just happen
to be mailing in to pay our monthly bills etc will cause more
people to become aware of the Watchtower Society's abetting
pedophilia to the harm of victims.*******************************
Just a thought from one of the ones on the JW.com board and
I thought it was a great idea.
Remote User:
Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
15:00:52
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OOPS!!!!!!!!!!! Forgot to sign again<sigh> The idea from
JW.com was submitted by me---Jesika Thoman Dallas,Tx******************wasn't
my idea just wanted to past it on. Love Jesika
Remote User:
Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
15:26:25
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TORONTO, INDIANA, MICHIGAN ANYONE??? From SILENT LAMBS, 8-30-02:
Joe and Barbara Anderson will be representing Silentlambs.org
at the Victoria Boer sexual child abuse trial in Toronto, Canada
that will begin on Sept. 9th. The Andersons need a place to
stay for approximately one night in Toronto during the trial
where Barbara will be called to testify against the Watchtower.
In addition, if they could find a place to stay somewhere near
Northern Indiana or Michigan, on the way from Tennessee to
the trial, and a place to stay when they return, it would save
Silentlambs motel costs. It takes approximately ten hours for
them to drive to South Bend, Indiana, from where they live
in Tennessee. They would like to spend their first night somewhere
an hour or two closer than South Bend, maybe eight hours into
the trip to Toronto. The Anderson's plan on entering Canada
through Detroit. At this time, the date for Barbara to testify
is unscheduled, but will most likely be during the second week
in September, any day from the 13th on. She should know the
exact date when the trial opens on Sept. 9th. Hoping to cut
down on expenses, the Anderson's only want to stay in Toronto
one night and then head back home. --- If anybody wants to
contribute toward the Anderson's trip, please contact Silentlambs.
Barbara's testimony in behalf of Joe and Barbara Anderson will
be representing Silentlambs.org at the Victoria Boer sexual
child abuse trial in Toronto, Canada that will begin on Sept.
9th. The Andersons need a place to stay for approximately one
night in Toronto during the trial where Barbara will be called
to testify against the Watchtower. In addition, if they could
find a place to stay somewhere near Northern Indiana or Michigan,
on the way from Tennessee to the trial, and a place to stay
when they return, it would save Silentlambs motel costs. It
takes approximately ten hours for them to drive to South Bend,
Indiana, from where they live in Tennessee. They would like
to spend their first night somewhere an hour or two closer
than South Bend, maybe eight hours into the trip to Toronto.
The Anderson's plan on entering Canada through Detroit. At
this time, the date for Barbara to testify is unscheduled,
but will most likely be during the second week in September,
any day from the 13th on. She should know the exact date when
the trial opens on Sept. 9th. Hoping to cut down on expenses,
the Anderson's only want to stay in Toronto one night and then
head back home. If anybody wants to contribute toward the Anderson's
trip, please contact Silentlambs. Barbara's testimony in behalf
of Vicki Boer should prove to be a "killer" and
all interested parties should play close attention. --- silentlambs
Remote User:
Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
15:32:35
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TWO NEWSPAPER ARTICLES TODAY, TORONTO!!! Here's' the First
One. /SLC ----- The Toronto Sun --- http://www.canoe.ca/TorontoNews/29n1.html
September 1, 2002 --- Storm in the hall --- Jehovah's Witnesses
deny secrecy in dealing with family sexual abusers --- By Brodie
Fenlon -- Toronto Sun --- Jehovah's Witnesses vehemently condemn
child abuse. But several victims from within the sect have
gone public in recent months claiming that "monsters" are
hiding behind the church's policy on handling child abuse.
--- Critics say the policy favours secrecy and the redemption
of the sinner at the expense of victims. --- The policy creates "a
pedophile paradise," said Bill Bowen, of Kentucky, a former
senior minister with the Watchtower and Bible Tract Society,
who left in protest after 43 years. --- "There's a sly,
devious evil that's happening ... and Witnesses are not even
aware of it," said Bowen, who launched a victim support
group in 2000 called Silent Lambs. --- Clive Thomas, spokesman
for the Canadian church, said the accusations are unfair. While
the church is concerned about the spiritual well-being of abusers,
he said, "We care about children. We do not condone or
take a soft view of child sexual abuse or any other abuse." ---
Bowen said he's already heard from more than 5,000 victims
of abuse since he set up his Web site (www.silentlambs.org/).
--- The church keeps a database of all members accused of abuse
at its world headquarters in Brooklyn, N.Y. Bowen said church
sources have told him the database holds more than 23,700 names
from the U.S., Canada and Europe. The church admits the database
exists, but won't give a specific tally, saying only that the
number is much lower. --- Some of the victims' stories -- of
betrayal and cover ups at the hands of church leaders -- have
grabbed headlines in the U.S. and Britain. Bowen said the American
church is facing seven lawsuits over the handling of claims
of abuse. --- As The Toronto Sun has learned, the Canadian
church is not immune to the growing scandal. --- A New Brunswick
woman is scheduled to take the stand in a Toronto court next
week in her lawsuit against the Canadian branch and two elders
over allegations they concealed abuse she suffered when she
approached them years later as an adult. The church denies
the allegations. --- The Canadian church also keeps a database.
Though Thomas wouldn't say how many are on it, he confirmed
12 abusers have been identified in Ontario in the last two
years. --- In his book, Father's Touch, Donald D'Haene describes
how he was repeatedly sodomized, fondled and abused in what
his father called "a game." --- In 1973, a family
member shared the secret with an elder in the family's Jehovah's
Witness congregation in Alymer. Following church protocol,
elders investigated and spoke to the D'Haene children. The
questions they asked were "cold, blunt, and matter of
fact," D'Haene, 41, recalls in the book. --- His father
confessed. The elders announced to the congregation that he
was "disfellowshipped," or excommunicated from the
church, but no reason was given. D'Haene's mom was also publicly
rebuked for failing to come to church leaders. --- No one called
police or Children's Aid. --- Donald D'Haene went to police
several years later. In 1982, his father was convicted of three
counts of gross indecency for what the judge called "indescribably
vile acts." --- "Religion doesn't create monsters," D'Haene
said. "Monsters use religion." --- Winnipeg's Shirley
Hardiman was 11 in 1963 when she says her mom's boyfriend sexually
abused her. Her mom reported it to elders of their Montreal
congregation. --- "They told my mother to keep it quiet,
to send me away," she says. --- Hardiman spent the next
five years in foster care until she was reunited with her mother
at age 16. Her abuser, who died 10 years ago, was never reprimanded
by the church, she said. --- "There's this really strong
belief that you can not do or say anything that brings shame
on the organization," said Hardiman, 50, who now works
as an abuse counsellor. --- Times have changed. Church elders
in Canada are required by law to report allegations of sexual
abuse to authorities and were ordered by the church in 1988
to comply with the law. --- "We abhor the molestation
of children," the church says in a press release. "It
is not just a terrible sin but also a crime ... We do not protect
any perpetrator of such repugnant acts." --- While secular
authorities are notified of allegations, the abuse is also
investigated internally by elders, who are considered administrators
of God's law. --- Elders are required first to contact church
headquarters in Georgetown, where a lawyer instructs them on
how to handle the allegations. Two elders are then appointed
to investigate. Family members, the victim and the accused
are interviewed, sometimes together, and explicit detail is
sought. --- If the accused denies the abuse happened, the charge
is dropped unless another witness can corroborate the story.
--- That rule is based on the Biblical book of Deuteronomy: "No
single witness should rise up against a man respecting any
error or any sin." --- In effect, the child's accusation
is dismissed unless another person saw the abuse or another
child comes forward with an allegation against the same church
member. --- "We are bound by the scriptures," Thomas
said. "But we would still report it to the authorities
with only one witness" so the victim gets "the protection
of the secular authorities." --- But abuse is seldom reported
in jurisdictions where there is no mandatory reporting requirement,
Bowen said. --- If the pedophile confesses the sin, he is punished,
often by disfellowship. A permanent confidential record is
kept by the elders and the Georgetown office is notified. But
the congregation is never told of the crime -- only the punishment.
--- Family members and the victim are also forbidden from talking
about abuse to other congregation members. --- Disfellowship,
or excommunication, involves being shunned by the community
and family for at least a year. The shunned member is still
expected to attend meetings. --- Should a pedophile move to
another congregation, elders there are notified and records
transferred. --- Thomas said elders must protect the privacy
of an accused, especially if he has repented, but are instructed
to carefully monitor him and prevent him from being alone with
kids. --- Bowen, who was excommunicated last month after being
found guilty of "causing divisions," decried the
process, noting the cloak of secrecy allows pedophiles to go
door to door "witnessing" without anyone but the
elders in the know. The requirement of two witnesses is ridiculous
in cases of sex abuse, he said. And though elders may be well-meaning,
they aren't trained to question or handle victims, he said.
--- JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES --- · A Christian sect with
6 million members (110,000 in Canada). --- · Founded
in the 1870s as a Bible study group by Pastor Charles Taze
Russell. --- · Witnesses do not celebrate Christmas
or Easter. They believe Armageddon is imminent and that they
will survive. --- · Witnesses believe taking blood into
the body through the mouth or veins violates God's law, and
thus they shun blood transfusions. --- · They will not
swear allegiance to any organization or nation. As a result,
Witnesses will not join the armed forces, sing the national
anthem, vote in elections or run for public office.
Remote User:
Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
15:35:49
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SECOND NEWSPAPER ARTICLE TODAY !!! - TORONTO!! /SLC ----- Toronto
Sun --- http://www.canoe.ca/TorontoNews/04n1.html --- September
1, 2002 --- Woman sues church --- Claims Jehovah's Witnesses
hid sex abuse --- By BRODIE FENLON -- Toronto Sun --- A New
Brunswick woman claims two Jehovah's Witness elders and the
Canadian church hid the sexual abuse she says she suffered
at the hands of her father. --- The woman, whose trial begins
next Monday in Toronto, is suing the Watchtower Bible and Tract
Society of Canada and two elders of her former congregation
in Shelburne, just north of Orangeville, for $700,000. ---
The church and elders Brian Cairns and Steve Brown deny any
wrongdoing and plan to fight the action in court. --- The 31-year-old
stay-at-home mom, whom The Sun won't name, says in her statement
of claim that she was sexually abused by her father from age
11 to 14. The abuse was never reported. --- Years later, while
working in Toronto as a live-in nanny, the woman claims she
suffered from guilt and severe depression. --- She approached
the elders in her Jehovah's Witness congregation, who turned
for advice to church headquarters in Georgetown. --- INTERNAL
HANDLING --- She says in her statement of claim that the main
branch advised the case be dealt with internally by the Shelburne
congregation and "advised the Toronto congregation three
times not to report the abuse to the Children's Aid Society
(CAS)." --- In her claim, the woman says that Cairns,
Brown and the Watchtower Society: --- · Refused to report
suspicions of child sex abuse to the CAS as required by Ontario
law. --- · Conspired to hide or bury the charge internally.
--- · Told the woman she didn't need psychiatric or
psychological counselling as "God's way alone would be
beneficial." --- · Forced the woman to confront
her abuser and relive the abuse through repeated interrogation
that caused her "permanent emotional injury." ---
Church spokesman Clive Thomas said that while the church has
sympathy for her case, the lawsuit is misdirected. --- "The
elders were trying to provide her with spiritual help during
a difficult time and the elders feel that she is basically
biting the helping hand," he said. --- In their statement
of defence, the defendants insist the elders "were instrumental
in ensuring the matter was reported" to CAS by the father.
No charges were ever laid. --- No one hindered the woman from
seeking help from psychologists or psychiatrists, the statement
of defence says. --- As well, the church argues the woman never
sued her father, and never complained to the elders or church
about how her case was handled until the lawsuit was filed
in 1998. --- None of the allegations in either the claim or
defence have been proven in court. --- 'READY TO FIGHT THEM'
--- "I have so much anger ... that I'm ready to fight
them until the end," the woman said in an interview with
The Sun. --- "They don't realize the damage that they
have done to people and to myself," she said. "I
don't care if you want to be a Jehovah's Witness. All I'm saying
is that the way they deal with child abuse is wrong and it
has to be stopped."
Remote User:
Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
15:37:52
Comments
FREE ADVERTISING IDEA for Silent Lambs (Did Jesika post this
yet???) ----- On every envelope you mail out (paying your bills
or whatever), write on the envelope: www.silentlambs.org!!!
----- Piece of Cake! And gets the word out, too! Great idea,
eh? /SLC
Remote User:
Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
16:16:02
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PLEASE WRITE A THANK YOU to the Toronto Sun reporter who did
the above two articles! THANKS! /SLC -- Here's his address:
Mr. Fenlon: brodie.fenlon@tor.sunpub.com ------ http://www.canoe.ca/TorontoNews/04n1.html
[Woman Sues Church] ------- http://www.canoe.ca/TorontoNews/29n1.html
[Storm in the Hall]
Remote User:
Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
16:17:45
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ANOTHER NEWSPAPER PRINTS THE ARTICLE! /SLC ----- The same story
with a different title ("Woman sues church over sex-abuse
stance. Claims conspiracy by Jehovah's Witnesses") also
appears in the Ottawa Sun. http://www.canoe.ca/OttawaNews/19s1.html
Remote User:
Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
16:19:49
Comments
AND, AGAIN! A similar article was published in THE WINNIPEG
SUN: "Woman sues church; claims abuse hidden" ---
/SLC --- http://www.canoe.ca/WinnipegNews/09n2.html
Remote User:
Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
16:25:37
Comments
We can keep the SILENT LAMBS CAUSE & ISSUES in the public
eye by following up with LETTERS to the EDITORS for the above
newspapers. HERE'S AN IDEA OF WHAT YOU CAN SAY (copied from
J-W.com)/ SLC ----- Thank them for the time and space they
have given this issue, and amplify on the topic of pedophiles
being free to engage in the house-to-house work. The public
- their readership - has a right to know about this. It's this
kind of education about the WTS that's going to cause a public
outcry for politicians to take action. ----- So get some Letters
to the Editor going!! The more we shout, the more we help every "silent
lamb" heal.
Remote User:
Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
16:27:16
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The Catholic Church is in the News again w 2 priests being
charged with multiple counts of child molestation, Why is it
there ahead of us, Aren't JW'S suppose to be better than The
Catholics, We should be able to name at least 4 Elders who
are covering up this horrible crime against human kind ,Lets
get to work people. LOL polyfiber@yahoo.com
Remote User:
Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
16:51:16
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Remote User:
Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
17:15:41
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To the person that claimed to be abused by Bill: We have recently
been talking about Libel, which is very akin to what you said.
Putting accusations in print that are not substantiated. I
personally think that your just trying to muddy the waters.
Bill was an Elder, obviously he never has claimed to be perfect.
As an Elder he must have strongly believed in what he did in
order to stay in that position so long. What happened is what
we in society call an epiphany and epiphany is when you have
a sudden "putting together of the jig-saw puzzle of life".
At that time to continue after KNOWING is wrong, but Bill didn't
he stepped down and has worked to call attention to the problem.
Another way to think of it is to be say Pro-choice and after
seeing your baby on the sonogram to have an "Epiphany" that
moves you to change your perspective 180* from what it was.
Bill has many to back him up and records to substantiate his
crusade. If you feel wronged contact Bill, tell him how you
feel. But I think thou protest to much. As for him commenting
adultery in his heart I don't know of One PERSON I know that
hasn't in that sense of the definition. I know if Sean Connery
(actor) came driving up, I've already told my husband bewared
I'm gone LOL So that is such a petty thing to accuse him of.
You are I believe speaking of his abuse of power, well he wasn't
the only elder now was he. At least Bill is trying to do what
is right how are those other two or more handling the situation.
Put life in perspective and yours before making such a damaging
statement Peace, Sheila M
Remote User:
Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
17:38:08
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Everyone... Print this information out and distribute this
as much as you can, in grocery stores, community bulletin boards,
libraries, on cars, etc. Help get the word out! >>>>Child
Molesters are Knocking At Your Door The next time a Jehovah's
Witness comes to your door you should be aware of the fact
that many child molesters are encouraged by this religion to
engage in door-to-door evangelizing. Be sure to look for the
re-run of the Dateline NBC television show addressing this
problem. It concerns the Jehovah's Witnesses and their ludicrous
child molestation policy. It has also been publicized in a
recent TIME Magazine article too. To learn more about the thousands
of sexually abused children in the Jehovah's Witness religion
go to: www.silentlambs.org or call 1-877-WT-ABUSE
Remote User:
Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
18:10:28
Comments
Great idea about the Flyer, and thanks. But when was Silent
Lambs ever in TIME magazine? Not that I know of. If so, please
let us know when that was, as I missed it. (FYI: SilentLambs
WAS in Newsweek, but NOT Time). Thanks/SLC
Remote User:
Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
18:24:05
Comments
This site is great for people who wish to let the world know
that child abuse seems to have been covered up, and individual
witnesses penalized for informing the authorities of the criminal
acts. But: If the governing body does a U turn, re-admits Bill
bowen and reinstates an innocent man, as he has not broken
any of Gods laws, only mans, and all the other witnesses who
left because of it are reinstated, then what. Would all the
people including Bill return to be active Jehovah's witnesses
again, or have the people here lost their faith in the WT society
completely. Does the other evidence now take over, and this
site has turned into an ex witness social event. I lost my
faith in the society, the individual witnesses, but now have
my own beliefs and don't believe any religion serves god but
that a few individuals find the truth, but stand alone, waiting.
Having no faith in organized religion. I created my own site
www.antijehovahswitness.com to reveal what i feel are the problems,
lies and inaccuracies of a religion i thought was the truth,
i know why i have my site. So what will this site turn or evolve
into. I also created my site to reveal what i had learnt and
where to look to find god again. I don't think if the child
abuse situation gets sorted that people here will then be happy.
I think not only have lots of people here been silent lambs,
but you are also Lost Lambs having lost a religion and not
found the substitute and answers you are looking for, so maybe
there should be a sister site to this,for people who just want
to air their grievances. What do you think any comments can
be posted here or sent to my email address webmaster@antijehovahswitness.com
thanks Bas.
Remote User:
Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
20:47:48
Comments
Hi Lambs: Wanted to check in with you all to let you know my
love and prayers are with you in your healing process. I noticed
the post here bashing BILL kinda reminds me of when JESUS was
questioned. Trying to find fault,when, when none was there.
To the TROLLS posting here you do have my sincere sympathy,there
was a time when I was likewise brainwashed. The only thing
that will help you see the real truth is JEHOVAH GOD. Only
HE can open your eyes,if you want the TRUTH. Just to let you
know, I have been in a lot of chat rooms, getting the word
out especially, in the spiritual ones people are more willing
to listen there. My love to you all,may GOD bless. Searchin50@aol.com
Remote User:
Date:
01 Sep 2002
Time:
22:34:26
Comments
I guess I just need a place to let my feelings out. I usually
go to JWD and post my feelings there, but I just feel this
is the place to say a few things . I was raised JW and my father
was an elder, he was abusive , many beatings, punishments,
verbal abuse and mind games to lower my self esteem. My husband
thinks that he may have done other forms of abuse that I have
yet to admit to myself , but the profile is so clear I can't
deny it. I still can't say the words, I have no clear memory
, but I can say that something was very wrong in our home.
My mother was addicted to prescription drugs and we had a strained
relationship since I was a very little girl. I felt she was
jealous of me and I tried to make her happy but she seemed
to hate me. I often wonder now if she knew something about
my dad's obsession with having complete power over my mind
and actions. I can not ask her this now, she killed herself
when I was 18. She was abused by my dad in a mental way, and
abused by the JW organization. She was put in rehab for the
drug abuse problem and they disfellowshipped her for smoking,
and they never, never, tried to help her about the drugs. They
swept it under the rug so dad could stay an elder. I speak
the truth, I have no reason to hurt them , my parents, because
they are both dead to me now, because of their own actions.
I just wonder if Silentlambs has a support group for those
who think of suicide because of being disfellowshipped? .Someone
told me that my mother was a silentlamb, and I broke down crying
admitting that , that was the truth. I was a silentlamb, just
for the abuse of the beatings and what I can remember that
was done to me as a little girl. I am filled with rage, and
I don't know how to make it go away. How do you get over both
of your parents abusing you in such ways? I know some will
say get on with your life, but I have, I have a wonderful family.
I have concluded that this is how I will always feel, it has
been 16 yrs since my mom died and it still hurts. I just guess
the only way I can deal with this is to help others. Just to
be a friend, to listen, to be there for them. I will do anything
to stop someone who may feel so alone and sad that they want
to take their own life. I feel that if I could help someone,
I would be saving my mom , I was so young , 18 , when it happened
I didn't see it coming. I just think the WT should stop disfellowshipping
people and destroying families and lives. This is not what
Jesus would do at all. If anyone ever wants to talk ,,,,, my
email is ddb300@hotmail.com ........anytime....
Remote User:
Date:
02 Sep 2002
Time:
13:04:02
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WOW!! ddb300@hotmail.com It's is heartwarming to find someone
willing to help. Someone who is kind and caring in spite of
their our abuse. May you be blessed!
Remote User:
Date:
02 Sep 2002
Time:
16:47:30
Comments
HELP HELP HELP, CAN YOU HELP??? From B. Bowen: We have arranged
for press conferences in the following cities, if you wish
to support the effort to get the word out on the march please
support those who are doing the conferences. If you can just
show up and stand with the group it will help make a stronger
statement. You do not have to do anything just be there. If
you would like to be part of this please let me know and I
will forward the local representatives email to you. We are
making history folks, please do not miss this opportunity.
The press conference is a 10:30 on Thursday morning. silentlambs
--- Kansas City, MO --- Los Angles, CA --- Seattle, WA ---
Portland, OR --- Salt Lake City, UT --- Tucson, AZ --- Atlanta,
GA --- Dallas, TX --- Orlando, FL --- Louisville, KY (I will
be doing the conference in Louisville, so far I am alone, anyone
want to come?) --- St Louis, MO --- Dayton, OH
Remote User:
Date:
02 Sep 2002
Time:
16:49:03
Comments
EMAIL BILL @ info@silentlambs.org IF you can attend any of
the above press conferences in any of those cities, this Thursday,
9/5/02, 10:30 am. He will then email you the person in charge
for whichever city.
Remote User:
Date:
02 Sep 2002
Time:
16:49:29
Comments
If you've ever wondered how many trees the society uses to get
its paper for magazines, unless its all 100% recycled, then
go here to work it out. http://www.ecopaperaction.org/wizard/
SAB
Remote User:
Date:
02 Sep 2002
Time:
21:06:15
Comments
In my opinion their is no one more dangerous then a person
with nothing to loose, This WT shunning has gone to far, It
has been reported that shunning a person will help him in some
way, can someone please explain to me how this works, or does
it do more to Quite some members that have something important
to say, In my case I started out speaking out against Child
Abuse, For this I have been hurt beyond repair by the wbts,
Now I'm mad and I say to you, Watch Your Backs!!!...NP
Remote User:
Date:
02 Sep 2002
Time:
21:56:44
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jgibson@hamburg.heartland.net: You wrote. "Flee, flee
to what....Who else has the teachings of life? Will Jehovah
not stand up and settle this matter?" You are quoting
the followers of Christ as they assured him that they would
stay with him. Do you even notice that you are insinuating
the WTS for Christ in your question? You want everyone to think
that criticizing this man-made org. is the same as turning
one's back on Christ. In your mind this substitution justifies
standing back and allowing such travesties to occur. Jehovah
will take care of it? You must be kidding. Do you worship a
God that doesn't require you to do your best to help? I'll
bet you don't even feel a little bit overly-indoctrinated?
- Buster
Remote User:
Date:
02 Sep 2002
Time:
22:38:50
Comments
Bill, I'm from Ky also and I applaud you for your stance on
child abuse. I've read some of the articles you wrote and it
is terrible that a doctrine of devils like the Jehovah's Witness's,
would stoup to this. I pray for you all everyday and don't
give up no matter what they do. God will bless you for your
stand. Mark in Ky.
Remote User:
Date:
03 Sep 2002
Time:
02:43:00
Comments
*********the mole**** to all, i think now i must move on. my
words have fallen to deaf ears. I have explained the methods
employed regularly the judicial committees formed by the elders.
they would not be worthy of courts systems, but they employ
great frequency to deal with those not in total agreement with
what they say. the family i mentioned were not removed but
out right df'd. this site has become trivial to the needs of
witnesses who need insight and warning to the dangers of evil
that come in with sly intentions, but now slander, abusive
words come into this site. i have more info from another letter
from brother franz but i will not share it since this site
has lost its way.>..............the mole***************
Remote User:
Date:
03 Sep 2002
Time:
06:30:47
Comments
Mole Your presence was appreciated here I wish you'd stay.
Nothing and nobody is perfect in this world. Please be patient
and stay. If you have to go I wish you God's blessings as you
continue to be His instrument in helping those entrapped out
to freedom in Jesus Christ. RMK
Remote User:
Date:
03 Sep 2002
Time:
06:31:00
Comments
Remote User:
Date:
03 Sep 2002
Time:
10:18:55
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THE MOLE: i've appreciated your comments on this site and i
agree with the things you've said. as an active JW i can understand
how you feel. i'm also concerned with the 'kangaroo courts'
imposed on us by the WTS. there's absolutely no accountability
at all in the WTS. Keep strong brother. Rich
Remote User:
Date:
03 Sep 2002
Time:
12:26:24
Comments
Mark in KY: Will you be able to go to the Press Conference
in Louisville this Thursday 9-5-02 @ 10:30 am and support Bill????
If so, please email him ASAP by writing to: info@silentlambs.org
-- I'm sure he would love ya for it, since as of his last notice,
he will be doing that Press Conference alone. THANKS!!! ---
Mark in KY wrote: Bill, I'm from Ky also and I applaud you
for your stance on child abuse...
Remote User:
Date:
03 Sep 2002
Time:
12:33:19
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Poem sent today, Silent lambs THE LAMBS SPEAK OUT They must
you see It's now their strongest weaponry Tell it aloud and
see them run The end for them has just begun The evil ways
you've grown to know Must now be told both high and low These
evil men Their time has come Days left for them a shortened
sum Rely on faith Rely on God Enjoy his now approving nod The
pain you've felt, anxiety Will leave and follow those who flee
They're small and weak It's you who's strong Your trust in
god will not prove wrong Hold head up high Stand strong with
pride It's they who now must seek to hide Don't worry Lambs
GODS VENGEANCE ROARS Their wicked souls Will be no more MTB
Remote User:
Date:
03 Sep 2002
Time:
12:34:05
Comments
The above poem was found here at Jehovahs-Witnesses.com, btw.
Remote User:
Date:
03 Sep 2002
Time:
12:37:30
Comments
Bill, here is another [poem] based on a few words of yours
--- A pedophile paradise --- A pedophile paradise. How can
that be? Gods organization is pedophile free. We refuse to
believe it. We don't want to know. So abuse defenders know
where to go. The angry apostates just make up their lies, Pretend
to be honest but it's just a disguise. Deserve what they got
It's Satan they follow To their debauched level they want us
to wallow. To protect the abusers Ignore all their pain That's
how we protect our God's name. It's only a few elders who made
a mistake So a new policy we will not make. So block up our
ears Put our heads in the sand Disfellowship them all, is the
Watchtower command. Now listen you brothers Oh hear me you
must Do you know who it is, you can trust? The witness policy
Allows abusers to go free Lets them take your child to sit
on their knee. Please watch them with care Confidentiality
a must You'll never know which brother, is the one you can
trust. ------ Copyright 2002: Lee Marsh ----- (found this one
also at J-W.com -- Great poem!!!)
Remote User:
Date:
03 Sep 2002
Time:
12:40:12
Comments
The Mole has smelled the rats in this guestbook. It is my opinion
that he has determined that you guys stink as much as the JW's
you are bashing. Who's better than who, the JW's and their
kangaroo courts or this kangaroo guestbook? <****Forever
your troll***>RJ
Remote User:
Date:
03 Sep 2002
Time:
12:43:33
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DAILY REMINDER: COUNTDOWN!!! ----- We have arranged for press
conferences in the following cities, if you wish to support
the effort to get the word out on the 9-27-02 March [in NY]
please support those who are doing the [press] conferences
[this Thursday, 9-5-02, 10:30 am]. If you can just show up
and stand with the group it will help make a stronger statement.
You do not have to do anything just be there. If you would
like to be part of this please let me know and I will forward
the local representatives email to you. We are making history
folks, please do not miss this opportunity. The press conference
is a 10:30 on Thursday morning. The cities are: Kansas City,
MO -- Los Angles, CA --Sacramento, CA --- Seattle, WA -- Portland,
OR -- Salt Lake City, UT -- Tucson, AZ -- Atlanta, GA -- Dallas,
TX -- Orlando, FL -- Panama City, FL --- Louisville, KY (I
will be doing the conference in Louisville, so far I am alone,
anyone want to come?) -- St Louis, MO Dayton, OH
Remote User:
Date:
03 Sep 2002
Time:
12:43:59
Comments
UPDATE FROM BILL BOWEN as of last night 9-2-02, PM: Many of
the spokespersons [at the press conferences] will be abuse
survivors. We would certainly welcome anyone who could offer
them support. For locations (of the press conferences, Thurs.
9-5-02, 10:30 am) email silentlambs info@silentlambs.org and
I will forward [your emails] to those who are handling the
press conferences. [I am not publishing online the addresses
of the press conferences myself because] Now why would I want
to let WT know exactly where we are going to be? --- We picked
up Sacramento, CA and Panama City, FL tonight. The Press conferences
are going to be Thursday so we have time to get a group together
for these cities. silentlambs ----- (Email or call Bill ASAP
if you want to be at one of the press conferences!!!!!)
Remote User:
Date:
03 Sep 2002
Time:
12:49:53
Comments
<
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=35859&site=3> EXCELLENT
READ! GET FIRED UP FOR SILENT LAMBS: Letters between a JW-son
and his JW-father over the WTS abuse policies, along with letters
to/from the other non-JW son and his JW-aunt/uncle. Excellent
comments and reasoning by the two sons to their JW relatives
on this matter. The JW-son is involved in the issue and he
makes some excellent scriptural points, but his JW-father wants
to take the "sit back and wait/watch" approach (bah-humbug!)
Remote User:
Date:
03 Sep 2002
Time:
13:10:51
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HOW CAN YOU HELP??? HERE'S HOW YOU, YES YOU, CAN HELP NOTIFY
PEOPLE IN YOUR STATE of the Silent Lambs Press Conferences
in your state or any state where there is going to be a Press
Conference (see the above list of Cities in the B. Bowen/Silent
Lambs post). Go to <http://disc.server.com/Indices/46743.html> which
is a "public" list of xJWs. Read thru the list and
pick out every name & email address in WHICHEVER STATE
you would like to work on (if there is a press conference in
that state), and copy/cut/paste this following message in an
email, and send it to all of the people in whichever state
you choose. We need everyone's help as there is not much time
left!!! I am doing Florida, so don't do Florida, but that leaves
10 other states which you can pick from! Thanks/SLC: -----
Cut and paste this in a new email: ----- Dear xJW: I got your
name and email address from the public xJWs list here: <http://disc.server.com/Indices/46743.html>.
I am writing to let you know about, and ask your support of
a very important issue. Are you familiar with Silent Lambs? <www.silentlambs.org> Briefly,
the purpose of Silent Lambs is to expose the detrimental policies
of the WTS regarding child abuse in the congregations of Jehovah's
Witnesses, the cover up of such abuse; the harboring of the
molesters/abusers/pedophiles who perpetrated these crimes against
women and children JWs, along with supporting the individual
silenced lambs who have been harmed by these abusers and from
WTS policies. There will be a Silent Lambs March at the World
Headquarters of the WTS on 9-27-02 regarding these issues.
To get the word out about that March, we are having a press
conference this coming Thursday, 9-5-02, at 10:30 am, in __________________
(city/state). Would you please show your support by attending
the press conference if you are able? You do not have to do
anything but merely stand there and show support. If you can
help, please email Mr. Bill Bowen, info@silentlambs.org, and
he will provide you with the exact street address of the Press
Conference. Even if you are not able to attend in person but
would like to learn more about Silent Lambs and/or the 9/27/02
March on HQ, please visit the website: www.silentlambs.org.
Thanks you! --- Please forward to anyone you know in your state!
Remote User:
Date:
03 Sep 2002
Time:
13:12:26
Comments
Greetings everyone! Sorry I don't have to to sit and read and
reply to emails. Just passing thru the "comments window" to
add a few posts. Hope everyone is well! /SLC
Remote User:
Date:
03 Sep 2002
Time:
14:15:05
Comments
It is interesting to note that Bill will tell the media (at
least those who decide to give him the time of day) that there
are 5000 accounts that he can corroborate with the anonymous
posts made on this site (or those posts that are accompanied
only by 2 initials) but only one newspaper reporter showed
up to his df'ing. Also, interesting to note that on 02
Sep 2002 16:47:30 he was the only one so far that was scheduled
to attend his news conference. I'm sure a couple more
will show up by the time 9/9 rolls around, but geez, where
are the 5000? Where are the 15 regulars that come here? Mole,
where are you??? Oh, wait, he bailed out before the press conferences.
Buster, are you going? No? Why not? You're too busy attending
dodge the questions school? Sheila, I KNOW you will be there,
right? Oh oh wait, you have to work. By the way Sheila, when
will YOU have an epiphany? How about you John? Do they even
want you there? You may jack everything up, if you blow up
and smack someone upside the head with your holy cross bible.
I thought you were shunning…. Please go back to shunning
pretty please? And SLC? She might forget to show up because
she'll be responding to 300 posts that weren't
even directed at her, and oversleep. Get real people.
Remote User:
Date:
03 Sep 2002
Time:
15:10:55
Comments
Sheila Carpenter Cclarioncall@aol.com Thank you very much for
your excellent website. You are in tune with the heart of God.
We are to love what He loves and to hate what He hates.
Remote User:
Date:
03 Sep 2002
Time:
15:13:12
Comments
I REALY HOPE THE WOMAN WINS AND GETS HER 700,000
Remote User:
Date:
03 Sep 2002
Time:
15:37:46
Comments
Has anyone else written to Oprah lately? Btw, the use your
life award is now $100,000. I am going to start signing my
posts as Spokane 2 in hopes that others in Spokane will write
in. Spokane 2..jazbug55@aol.com
Remote User:
Date:
03 Sep 2002
Time:
16:10:17
Comments
LAMBS in EVANGELICALS NOW article, September 2002 Issue, FRONT
PAGE ARTICLE: --- JW silent lambs protest --- September 27
2002 is a day the Watchtower Society is likely to remember.---
Protest marchers are due to walk just seven city blocks in
Brooklyn, New York to 25 Colombia Heights, the headquarters
of the Jehovah's Witnesses, now considered one of the world's
wealthiest religions. --- Compared with most protest marches
the participants will be few in number. Some will be JWs or
ex-JWs, other people may have no religious affiliation at all.
Yet the marchers will be united by a common theme: they will
all have experienced or been eye-witnesses of the machinations
of the secretive Governing Body running the cult, which, it
seems, has allowed Watchtower policy to physically harm and
emotionally ruin children. --- Woolly lambs --- Outside the
headquarters individuals will speak briefly about the hurt
they have either witnessed or personally experienced. It is
intended that each individual should carry a small toy woolly
lamb, to represent themselves or another person. The event
will be unique as, although protest marches among JWs are very
rare, protest marches against the Governing Body are totally
unheard of. --- The lambs are not just for ornament. They have
become a symbol for a rapidly-growing group of people who have
suffered at the hands of the Watchtower Society. This group,
calling itself 'Silentlambs', was begun by Bill Bowen, a JW
of 43 years' standing, 20 of them as an elder. While an elder
Bill had become aware that a fellow-elder had abused a child
several times. Bill wanted to notify the police, but found
the matter was being covered-up in his local Kingdom Hall.
Eventually he telephoned the legal desk at the Watchtower headquarters,
and was told not to get involved. Stunned and profoundly shocked,
he resigned from his eldership and went public. But how to
reach out and help those abused ones? --- Bill had no idea
where they were or how many might be suffering. So was born
the website 'Silentlambs'. Bill may have expected a trickle
of emails, but he suddenly found himself inundated. Many months
later he still gets emails every day, and has had over 27,000
visitors to the site. --- Silentlambs became for so many hurt
souls their first chance to write and tell of their personal
grief and pent-up guilt and anger. Some, incapable of speaking
openly of their ordeals in the cult, chose to write poems.
Again and again the themes were played out in the emails, as
abusers were often believed, but the children were branded
as liars by disbelieving elders. The correspondence confirmed
to Bill that the cover-up mentality was not just a local one,
it was endemic in the entire cult. As he expressed it, the
movement was a 'paradise for paedophiles'. Since the group
began Bill Bowen estimates that he has received around 1,000
stories while another 5,000 people have emailed or contacted
him via the internet or by telephone. In May members staged
a candle-lit vigil outside the Kingdom Hall in Benton, Kentucky.
--- BBC Panorama --- When the BBC's Panorama investigated the
problem in mid-July it dealt with cases in the UK and the USA.
Following the programme the Silentlambs website logged around
200 emails in the first 24 hours. By the end of July around
50 new cases of abuse had been reported over the net. Interest
in the programme can be gauged by the email response of over
1,000 letters to the BBC, the second highest the Panorama programme
has ever received. --- The responses to the programme were
split 50/50, with JWs in the main stressing there were no serious
problems, but others telling a rather different story. Viewing
figures indicate this was the most-watched Panorama of the
past ten productions. --- Sara Poisson --- Particularly tragic
was the story of Sara Poisson. A battered wife, with daughters
whom she suspected were being abused by her JW husband, she
went to the elders at her Kingdom Hall for help. Rather than
dealing with the problem they told her to go home, pray more
and be a better wife. As time passed and the evidence of ongoing
abuse continued to mount, Sara went again and again to plead
for help and protection. Still she was turned away - with the
same instructions. As she was totally dominated by the eldership
it never occurred to her to seek outside help. --- Eventually,
when the school reported substantial bruising on her children,
social workers stepped in. The ultimatum was clear: leave your
husband or your children go into care. Knowing that to leave
him would see her cast out of the local congregation she did
just that. This left her homeless, penniless and shunned by
all her former JW friends. --- Some time later, Holly, one
of the abused daughters, went to the police and told them all
that had happened at the hands of her father. It was another
four years before the father, Paul Berry, was charged with
17 charges of aggravated sexual assault. Even then, after the
testimony of the family to the court, some two dozen JWs came
forward to offer character witness for the accused. --- Phone-in
--- Following the Panorama presentation the BBC ran a phone-in
programme on Radio 5. Again and again individuals called in
(often using assumed names) to relate their own experiences
of child abuse in the Watchtower cult. Running through the
narratives was a theme of guilt and pain combined with an eldership
that often seemed not to believe or did not want to believe
the facts presented to them. --- The response of the JW movement
is that for someone to be found guilty of anything there must
have been two witnesses present. This may be well and good,
but it must be admitted that paedophiles do not usually operate
with bystanders about, unless they are fellow paedophiles.
--- It goes without saying that the vast majority of JW parents
are loving, kind people who cherish their children and the
idea of abuse is total anathema to them. The Watchtower movement
is not unique in having this problem. Yet it is also very plain
that something is seriously wrong with any organisation that
cannot face the reality of what is going on inside it. The
Panorama programme noted the reticence of some elders to co-operate
with police even when individuals were reported by their victims.
--- One officer spoke of elders as being 'criminally negligent'
when they failed to pass information to the police. In some
cases recorded on the Silentlambs website, Jehovah's Witnesses
who reported abusers to the police have been excommunicated
from the cult. --- Sorry? --- One thing was very noticeable
in the Panorama presentation: the lack of the simple word,
'sorry'. No one from the movement expressed any regrets to
the poor traumatised individuals who painfully told their experiences.
If we take the material on the Silentlambs website, there are
many hundreds of people whose lives have been wrecked and defiled
at the hands of evil individuals. What of those elders who
have disbelieved suffering children? Can we expect apologies
from them? Or does an external sanitised version of the cult
come before truth and justice? --- Is it possible that when
that little band of sufferers stand outside the Brooklyn headquarters
in late September at least someone will come out to them and
say 'sorry'. It would be a kindness to do so but the Watchtower
has a very long history of not apologising for its errors.
It is doubtful if it will do so now. --- Richard E. Cotton
--- info@silentlambs.org <http://www.silentlambs.org> ---
Copyright Evangelicals Now - September 2002
Remote User:
Date:
03 Sep 2002
Time:
16:34:18
Comments
To the Troll: Yes John is more than welcome and personally
I hope he does smack someone. But YOU WON't be there will you
LOL I am going to the one in Kansas City as soon as I get the
location in fact if it weren't for some personal issues I would
have been the one GIVING the press conference here in Kansas
City. SLC comments are always appreciated to any and all posts.
Sheila M
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Date:
03 Sep 2002
Time:
16:38:14
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PLEASE WRITE a THANK YOU to the author, Richard E. Cotton,
of the above EVANGELICALS NOW front-page article re: SILENT
LAMBS. You can write Mr. Cotton here: editor@e-n.org.uk -----
Thanks/SLC
Remote User:
Date:
03 Sep 2002
Time:
16:39:03
Comments
And, BTW, that article can be found here/SLC ----- http://www.e-n.org.uk/JWprotest.htm
Remote User:
Date:
03 Sep 2002
Time:
18:17:57
Comments
Mole. On 8/12 I said that you should keep doing what you do;
Here, there, where-ever. Thanks for your intellect here at
SL. It did NOT go unnoticed. I hope you find success in all
you do. I am still trying to accept two thoughts. (1) Ignore
the 100 people that do not hear your message it is the one
that does that is so sweet. (2) If 100 people hear your message
don't become bogged with the one or 2 that refuse to change
their position. Both are hurdles for me.- Jayson
Remote User:
Date:
03 Sep 2002
Time:
18:43:14
Comments
PRESS CONFERENCE UPDATE, Tues. 9-3-02, 6:39 PM: --- The numbers
of CITIES ARE GROWING!!!! Everybody say a prayer! and then
Be There!!! Love/SLC ----- From Silent Lambs: If you wish to
support abuse survivors across the USA who are conducting press
conferences on Thursday of this week please let me know: info@silentlambs.org
or 1-877-WT-ABUSE. They are taking a brave stand will you let
them stand alone? -- We currently have the following cities
in process: -- Tampa, FL -- Orlando, FL -- Panama City, FL
-- Atlanta, GA -- Nashville, TN -- Louisville, KY -- ST Louis,
MO -- Dallas, TX -- Salt Lake City, UT -- Seattle, WA -- Tucson,
AZ -- Portland, OR -- Sacramento, CA -- Los Angles, CA -- Virginia
-- Maine. -- silentlambs ----------------- <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/active.asp?site=3&page=2>
Remote User:
Date:
03 Sep 2002
Time:
18:52:48
Comments
NEW ARTICLE ABOUT BARBARA ANDERSON!!! READ IT HERE NOW and
maybe I'll post it later AFTER I finish reading it! SO FAR
SO GOOD! GREAT! Love/SLC. Go here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=35937&site=3
Remote User:
Date:
03 Sep 2002
Time:
20:12:01
Comments
Barbara Anderson's Interview is OUTSTANDING. Don't miss it.
I emailed it to a Dallas Morning News reporter who has sent
me personal emails regarding other JW molestation stories I
have sent him. People EMAIL this story to YOUR LOCAL PRESS.
My favorite excerpt: . . . . Although the January 1, 1997 Watchtower
stated that a "known" molester "would not qualify
for congregation privileges," such as becoming an elder
or ministerial servant (deacon), a SECRET LETTER to all bodies
of elders three months later, on March 14, 1997, quietly backpedaled: "An
individual ‘known' to be a former child molester
has reference to the perception of that one in the community
[emphasis ours] and in the Christian congregation." .
. . . UNKNOWN TO THE FAITHFUL, who had taken the January 1st
Watchtower at its word, PEDOPHILES COULD REMAIN in positions
of authority, under this don't-ask don't-tell policy, at all
levels of the organization. ...... the contents of that letter,
leaked on the Internet, REMAIN, to this day, a SECRET TO THE
RANK AND FILE.
Remote User:
Date:
03 Sep 2002
Time:
21:53:02
Comments
hey NO NAME; GO ROLL A WT AND STICK IT UP YOUR A BUTT!!!!!!!!!!
THAT RIGHT I,LL BE AT THE MARCH IN NEW YORK!!!!!!!!! SO WATCH
THE NEWS THAT NIGHT YOU WILL SEE ME AND MANY OTHERS THERE.
SO IN THE NEXT WEEK I SEE SOME CRAZIED ZOMBIE .RUNNING FOR
ME I,LL KNOQW IT,S YOU .IT WILL BE MY PLEASURE TO HOLD YOU
THERE TILL .THE WHITE WAGON COMES TO TAKE YOU TO THE FUNNY
FARM.THEN YOU WILL BE IN YOUR PARIDISE AND YOU WILL Have plenty
of brain dead ZOMBIES TO JOIN YOUR BELOVED GOD!!!!!!!!!IN FACT
I WILL TAKE YOU PERSONNALLY TO THE BRONX NUT HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!JOHN
Remote User:
Date:
03 Sep 2002
Time:
22:55:00
Comments
MOLE THANK YOU FOR EXPOSING THE JC KANGAROO COURT. MOST REGULAR,S
HERE ALREADY HAVE EXPERIENCED IT. I KNOW YOU HAVE OPENED THE
EYES OF MANY ACTIVE MEMBERS OF THE WT. HERE EVEN IF THEY NEVER
POST. YOU HAVE YOUR ANGLE ,AND I SEE IT ,AS YOU HAVE FAMILY
IN THE WT. YOU SAID A FAMILY WAS DF,ED IT COULD BE THE BEST
THING, THEY MAY TURN THE JESUS. AND BE HAPPIER THAN ALL HERE
IN TIME. GOD WILLING!!!!AS FOR ME I WILL BLAST THE WT EVERY
CHANCE I GET....BUT I OPEN THEIR EYES MY WAY ,YOU AND OTHERS
IN THEIR OWN WAY. THATS THE POINT WHAT YOU MIGHT SAY MAY WORK
WITH SOME ,AND WHAT OTHERS SAY WORK WITH OTHERS. NO 2 PEOPLE
RESPOND TO THE SAME MESSAGE. THAT,S WHY GOD MADE US ALL DIFFERENT.
ANY WAY I LOOK FOWARD TO YOUR NEXT EXPOSURE IF THE WT , WEATHER
I TOTALLY AGREE OR NOT...REMEMBER JESUS SAID WHEN YOU DO HIS
WORK YOU WILL BE PERSECUTED.....ALWAYS STAND TALL FOR JESUS
....JOHN
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Date:
03 Sep 2002
Time:
23:01:44
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HERE'S the BARBARA ANDERSON ARTICLE IN FULL --- An Unlikely
David: Barbara Anderson's struggle to stop predatory pedophiles
in the cloistered world of Jehovah's Witnesses --- By Michael
Morris --- http://www.toasted-cheese.com/ezine/2-3/morris.htm
--- While the Catholic Church is forced to publicly wrestle
its demons of pedophilia, Jehovah's Witnesses refuse
to acknowledge any similar problems in their midst. Barbara
Anderson, a former insider from the uppermost echelons of the
secretive sect, has stepped forward to reveal that such problems
have been a source of denial, debate and division at the highest
levels of the organization for at least a decade. While Witness
leaders insist that sexual abuse of children is not tolerated
or concealed in their congregations, as a former Jehovah's
Witness, and as a parent who recently discovered my own children's
molestation within the group, I strongly disagree. --- In the
patriarchal world of Jehovah's Witnesses, Barbara Anderson
of Normandy, Tenn., a sharp-witted lady from New York, rose
to a level of influence that was unheard of for a woman. She
assisted in compiling the official history of the group, and
wrote articles that serve to instruct the 6 million Jehovah's
Witnesses worldwide, including the 1 million in the United
States (though her gender, under Witness rules, would not allow
her to read aloud in a Kingdom Hall the very words that she
wrote). She regularly rubbed shoulders with members of the
Witnesses' elite governing body, a committee that currently
consists of 11 men, charged with overseeing the group. ---
Anderson was also privy to the many letters and phone calls
coming into the group's Brooklyn Heights headquarters from
members of the faith, responding to published articles, or
inquiring about various topics that had not been addressed
in print. This feedback was reviewed in meetings among the
writers to shape the content of future publications. For Jehovah's
Witnesses, the printed word from headquarters provides a pharisaical
canon, an ever-shifting lens through which to see more clearly
the word, and will, of God. --- The formerly taboo subject
of child sexual abuse was entering the public discourse in
the late 1980s and early 90s, and the correspondence coming
into headquarters reflected the angst of those who now felt
comfortable coming forward with their own recollections of
abuse in the insular communities of the Witnesses. These abuse
survivors were turning to their congregation elders for guidance,
and these elders, too, were writing to headquarters, seeking
guidance. --- Parents of most denominations would not hesitate
to call police first when sexual abuse of their child is reported.
But to the Witnesses, all outsiders –- even police and
social workers -- are co-conspirators with Satan, part of the
condemned world soon to be destroyed by God. As a Witness,
when dealing with any wrongdoing "you go to elders first,
and then elders make the decision for where you go [from there].
To bypass the organization would be treason," said Anderson.
--- But these same elders "volunteer, and are essentially
untrained clergy," according to a Jehovah's Witness spokesman
in the Paducah Sun. They attend no seminary, and have no minimum
education requirements, beyond basic literacy. They are equipped
for nothing more than enforcing organizational guidelines,
delivering biblical platitudes and offering a moment of prayer.
When encountering a case of child sexual abuse for the first
time, their instructions are first to "call the Legal
Department" at the group's headquarters. --- The list
of mandated reporters of suspected child abuse varies by state.
Church spokesmen assert that in those jurisdictions that include
clerics as mandatory reporters, the elders are instructed by
the Legal Department to make such reports. A recent fax to
the BBC in response to a program exposing sexual abuse among
the Witnesses noted that "it can be quite a challenge
to keep abreast of the reporting requirements, but our Legal
Department makes every effort to do so." It should relieve
their lawyers to know that The National Clearinghouse on Child
Abuse and Neglect Information is funded by the US government
and tasked with maintaining a web site with just such information,
which shows that only 16 states require reporting by clerics.
The hand of divine justice apparently is cut short by a lack
of supporting legislation in other jurisdictions. --- The assertion
that such reports are made by elders when called for by the
law has been called into question. Two lawsuits recently lodged
against the Witnesses claim that mandatory reporting laws were
disregarded, and the abuse continued. In one case, a member
is said to have been expelled for making such a report against
the advice of the elders, after the elders failed to act. A
taped telephone conversation from early 2001, between an elder
reporting sexual abuse and headquarters, featured on a recent
episode of NBC's Dateline, documented an official from the
group advising the elder to "walk away from it," and
to "leave it for Jehovah," even though the elder
was calling from a state that mandates reporting by clerics.
--- Some particularly conscientious elders sought to step outside
their restrictive bounds as spiritual counselors in seeking
to assist those traumatized by abuse. They were holding sessions
that amounted to group therapy with victims of abuse, but this
was quickly ended by a March 23, 1992 letter to all bodies
of elders in the United States, stating that elders are not
to hold such sessions nor "spend time reading secular
publications dealing with worldly psychology or psychiatry." --- "Jehovah's
Witnesses are a government that operates within all of the
governments of the world. I believe that is the big issue here.
They want to decide who is guilty or not guilty," said
Barbara Anderson. Witnesses are well known for their defiance
of secular governments. The Encarta World English Dictionary
includes in its definition of Jehovah's Witnesses that the
group "rejects secular law where it appears to conflict
with the divine." --- So, the investigation of the alleged
abuse and the deciding who is guilty or not guilty, falls on
the local elders. The burden of proof, barring a confession,
is that there must be two members of the faith who can serve
as eyewitnesses to the crime, no matter what the infraction.
Otherwise, the accused is exonerated and the abused is admonished
to treat the accused as innocent in God's eyes and not to repeat
the charge to anyone else -– even other potential victims,
like younger siblings -- or face expulsion from the congregation
and shunning by fellow members, including friends and family.
Needless to say, child molesters don't usually seek an audience.
So the cycle of abuse continues, while the victim, who summoned
the monumental courage to come forward, is now forced back
into silence by their spiritual leaders. --- All members are
guided by the two principal publications of the group, the
Watchtower and Awake! journals. Each had different editors,
with differing opinions, in the 90s, which can be problematic
for a group that points to its unity of belief as a sign of
exclusive divine favor. Awake!, on whose staff Anderson served,
often presented the group's softer side, while the Watchtower
delivered stern doctrinal dissertations. "They would sometimes
contradict each other, especially on societal issues," said
Anderson. --- Barbara Anderson and other senior staffers knew
that the age and cloistered lives of the governing body gave
them no frame of reference to empathize with the plight of
the abused and their families. Something more than arbitrary
application of ancient edicts was required. --- Stories of
the disastrous results of similar policies awaited Anderson
on her summer vacation in 1991. The Witnesses choose to apply
certain Old Testament rules literally, such as the command
that a woman who does not scream during a rape should be considered
a fornicator. "I was gravely disturbed hearing accounts
of Witness women who were disfellowshipped (expelled and shunned)
for not screaming while being raped. To illustrate: A Jehovah's
Witness came back to his house unexpectedly while his house
was being cleaned by a woman who also was a Witness. The trauma
of his raping her at that time was so severe that she completely
blocked out the experience until she discovered she was pregnant.
It was then she faced what had happened and went to the congregation
elders. She accused her spiritual brother of raping her; however,
he denied it until tests confirmed he was the father of the
child. Then he said it was consensual sex. She denied it. Nonetheless,
she was disfellowshipped because she couldn't remember if she
screamed during the rape and her attacker said she didn't.
So, when I came back from vacation, I went in to see the man
in the Writing Department who I was working with and told him
what I had heard. To me it was horrendous that this girl was
disfellowshipped. She was victimized twice." --- The implications
of such policies were clear to Anderson. "I began to see
how pedophiles could act easily within the congregations and
get away with it," she said. --- Members of the Writing
Department began pushing for change. When the October 8, 1991
Awake! on child abuse seemed to reverse earlier feelings against
psychotherapy and against "repressed memories," there
was widespread confusion. When congregation elders called headquarters
for clarification "they [the Service Department, in charge
of the elders] did not go along with that," said Anderson. "That
article was viewed as a mistake. There was a battle going on
at Bethel [headquarters] between these two factions. The man
who was the head of the Service Department and the man who
was head of the Writing Department -- both members of the governing
body -- didn't agree on these things." said Anderson.
--- An avalanche of phone calls and letters came in response
to the October 8, 1991 Awake!. Even the cloistered governing
body became aware of the widespread claims of abuse, not only
abuse being perpetrated by lay members, but by church leaders
as well. "The governing body knew in '92 that this
was a very real problem, that men in authority were molesters,
and they were molesting children. The accusations that were
coming to them were not merely against average attendee's,
but against men in authority, and you couldn't get the
Service Department to recognize that. They were having a terrible
time," recalls Anderson. --- Barbara Anderson and her
husband would leave headquarters at the end of '92, after serving
there for ten and a half years. She continued to support the
writing staff as an outside researcher until '97. "It
was during my last year at headquarters while doing research
for a senior Awake! writer that I learned to my horror that
the organization had severe problems with sexual child abuse.
I knew when I left that it was understood that I would continue
to send information in on child abuse. This was to try to influence
the governing body to change their policies." --- Anderson
was also aware of the implications of such policies for those
outside of the organization. Accusations of child molestation,
even a known history of criminal child rape, would not preclude
a member from engaging in the Witnesses door to door preaching
work. "I begged [governing body member and friend] Lloyd
Barry, begged him by letter in July of 1993, not to allow molesters
to go door to door." said Anderson. Lloyd Barry, now deceased,
never responded. Instead, some three and a half years later,
speaking of a molester who may have recently been released
from prison, the Watchtower of January 1, 1997 states "If
he seems to be repentant [to the untrained elders], he will
be encouraged to make spiritual progress [and] share in the
field ministry [door to door preaching]." --- Neither
would a history of child molestation disqualify a member from
being appointed as an elder, a leader and exemplar in the congregation.
Although the January 1, 1997 Watchtower stated that a "known" molester "would
not qualify for congregation privileges," such as becoming
an elder or ministerial servant (deacon), a secret letter to
all bodies of elders three months later, on March 14, 1997,
quietly backpedaled: "An individual ‘known' to
be a former child molester has reference to the perception
of that one in the community [emphasis ours] and in the Christian
congregation." And as for determining whether those already
in a position of authority had a history of molestation, the
letter directed that "The body of elders should not query
individuals." Unknown to the faithful, who had taken the
January 1st Watchtower at its word, pedophiles could remain
in positions of authority, under this don't-ask don't-tell
policy, at all levels of the organization. One is left to wonder
who pushed for such a change, what they had to hide, and why
the contents of that letter, leaked on the Internet, remain,
to this day, a secret to the rank and file. --- "I can't
go to my grave knowing what I know." Anderson's struggle
for change from within the group ended when a letter from a
member of the headquarters staff in early '97 indicated to
her that such symbolic changes were in response to a rising
tide of litigation, not out of concern for the welfare of children. "I
couldn't go to the Kingdom Hall and hear all of the bragging
about how wonderful this organization was from the platform,
and sit there and listen. I thought "I can't go
to my grave knowing what I know." She resolved to continue
to push for change from outside the walls of the Kingdom Hall.
--- Barbara Anderson came to be among five members disfellowshipped
from the group in recent months, following a spate of media
attention, for speaking out about rampant sexual abuse and
cover-ups among Jehovah's Witnesses. "I had a very, very
interesting life as a Jehovah's Witness. My husband and
I brought eighty people into this organization," she remembers.
While she takes exception to the policies of the leadership
that harm children, she holds out hope that the voices that
pushed for change in the mid-'90s may prevail. Among those
voices are the group's powerful Legal Department, which pushed
for a uniform reporting policy among congregations in all 50
states and the District of Columbia -– perhaps to be
relieved of the arduous task of keeping track of all those
laws -- only to be shot down by the governing body. Anderson
also cites a group of elders in Dallas, Texas, which worked
with a local mental health facility to tailor care for Jehovah's
Witnesses, only to be removed from their positions en masse
by the leadership. And there were those elders who sought to
bring a little therapy into their shepherding. To be sure,
there were kindhearted people easily found in the group. "They
are good people. I am not going to say they weren't and
they aren't dear people to us," she said. --- Perhaps
if these people had succeeded in moving the organization to
adopt a call-police-first policy in handling cases of child
sexual abuse, just as they advise members to seek the help
of a physician when ill, or of a fireman during a fire, there
would not have been the chance for children, such as mine,
to have been abused, their lives forever changed. Instead,
we, like so many others, are left to fight a difficult and
emotionally painful legal battle against a coy perpetrator
in a position of authority, with the backing of his church.
--- In our case, the alleged abuser continues, to this day,
to beam piously from the platform and to hold children on his
lap during the services at our former suburban Philadelphia
congregation, even as criminal and civil actions are pending,
to the full knowledge of the local body of elders. --- But
it seems the short-sighted preservation of the image of the
group has been the priority of the governing body, over the
welfare of their flock. Better, they seem to think, to silence
the victims, shun the whistle blowers, deny, deny, deny. I
recall that Jehovah's Witnesses are expert in itemizing
the sins of the Catholic Church, including the harboring of
pedophiles. Perhaps now they will have the humility to turn
that scrutiny inward, protect the victims in their midst, adopt
a call-police-first policy everywhere, and stop allowing a
de facto conspiracy of silence to protect pedophiles in their
congregations, and on our doorsteps. --- Michael Morris grew
up a Jehovah's Witness punk rocker in the suburbs of Philadelphia
in the 1980s. He spent several years serving as a full-time
preacher in the Witnesses' door-to-door preaching work, unwittingly
learning much about life and faith from those whom he presumed
to teach. E-mail <mailto:mikepence@yahoo.com> . --- Michael
posts at Toasted Cheese as Dances with Cactus. "An Unlikely
David" was first posted at What I Tell You Three Times
Is True, our non-fiction critique forum.
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Date:
03 Sep 2002
Time:
23:10:42
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BARBARA IS GOING TO BE A PROFESSIONAL WITNESSES AGAINST THE
WT . WOW I SPOKE TO HER ONCE ,MRS. ANDERSON KNOWS HER WT .
WOW I NEVER SPOKE TO ANY JW AS SHARP AS HER .. BARBARA IS GOING
TO SCREW THE WT BIG TIME . IF NOT IN CANADA THAN DOWN THE LINE..THAT,S
A PROPHECY!!!!!!!!!!JOHN
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Date:
03 Sep 2002
Time:
23:56:37
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SHEILA; HAPPY TO HERE YOU ARE GOING IN YOUR AREA.. I PROMISE
TO BE A GENTELMAN . I WILL MAKE THE SILENT LAMBS PROUD!!!!!!!!I
MAY HAVE TO JUMP IN WHEN SOME WT ZOMBIE TRIES TO GET STUPID
!!!!!!!!THAT,S ONLY IF THE GIRLS DOM,T GRIND THAT ZOMBIE FACE
INTO THE PAVEMENT BEFORE THE GUYS GET THERE!HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LETS BE HONEST.. WHEN WE GWT TO THE WT NO ONE IS GOING TO COME
OUT...JUST REMINDS ME OF A STORY WHEN I WAS A CHILD...WHEN
MY UNCLE WOULD COME TO PICK ME UP , HE ALWAY POINTED TO A LADYS
WINDOW. HIDING BEHIND THE CURTIANS, WITH DOGS PAWS ON HER SHOULDERS.
HE ALLWAYS ASKED ME WHY THE OLD LADY WAS SMILING ??????? I
HAVE A FEELING WHEN WE GET TO THE WT..I WILL SEE THAT SAME
SMILING FACE STICKING THEIR HEADS OUT THE WINDOWS...AND THATS
A TRUE STODY!!!!!!!!!!JOHN
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Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
00:00:24
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ED COTTON ; YOUR WORDS SPEAK FOR THEM SELVES....ALL THE LAMBS
THANK YOU ....JOHN
Remote User:
Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
10:57:59
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John- you sound like a violent man, not a man of God. You have
absolutely no credibility whatsoever, no matter how much credit
WT detractors give you. You are a disgrace to all Christians.
Jesus preached his message with love not hate or veiled threats
like you do. It just goes to show what a mock of a sham of
a joke this site has become, with you as it's main spokesman.
I suggest you take a step back and look at what example you
are setting. I highly doubt Jesus approves what you are doing.
No, you are NOT doing the Lord's work.
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Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
11:07:08
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Hi I have been reading this site for months. Thank you SLC
for helping me find Ray Franz. The reason I started reading
this site was because we too have been silentlambs. What I
would like now is someone who is serious about looking into
the scriptures and finding or verifying the truths that we
already know. My faith in Jehovah has never wavered, an apostate
I am not. Putting faith in the GB is an act of foolishness.
After I found out that they were part of the UN for 10 years,
that isn't an ups that is a, as they would put it. Repeated
offence for many years. Did we hear any sort of repentance
from them as they demand from any other (offender). I am like
so many others my life as I know it has been tied up with witness's
and because of it I have no friends outside. I am busy as I
am raising my grandson, partly thanks to the LOVE OF THE BROTHERS,
NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But be that as it may. I am trying to look
at the rose and not the thorns. jgibson@hamburg.hearland.net
PS For all of those who read the posting accusing Bill of abuse.
Please read it closely, she never said he was physical with
her. She was talking MENTALLY ONLY big difference!!!!!!!!!!!!
Remote User:
Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
11:22:07
Comments
"
WE WILL ROCK YOU".....sung by Freddie Mercury of Queen!
Jenn
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Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
11:35:05
Comments
Hey Everyone!!!!! this is Jan...I just logged on and wanted
to say hi!!!!!! Things are getting exiting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Remote User:
Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
11:38:51
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Sir when you address John with overwhelming force you are suspect
yourself .I don't agree with the way John expresses himself
from time to time but you are using him to deride this page.
I suggest to you that you think about this and recognize the
validity of our grievances with the WT Society.Do not mix the
style of some with the substance of the topic we are discussing
here. By the way you did not sign your post.That puts you in
the category of WT Borg Zombies. You should understand that
the WT is a real enemy to us and the Public and we are certainly
trying to kill the Devil. We do not hide it.RMK
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Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
12:28:25
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http://jwzone.org Enter the JW ZONE Daily Text for Wednesday,
September 4 Draw close to God, and he will draw close to you.--
Jas. 4:8. If we live according to God's Word, we receive Jehovah's
holy spirit. We cultivate a Christlike personality, characterized
by such appealing qualities as mercy and compassion. (Eph.
4:24, 32) God's spirit also produces in us its fruitage--love,
joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, mildness,
and self-control. (Gal. 5:22, 23) As we harmonize our lives
with God's will, we strengthen our relationship with Jehovah.
Our conviction grows that he understands and loves us. We learn
through experience that he supports us during difficult times.
(Ps. 18:18) We discern that he really listens to our prayers.
(Ps. 65:2) We come to rely on his guidance, confident that
it will benefit us. And we have the wonderful hope that in
due time God will bring his faithful ones to perfection and
bestow upon them his gift of everlasting life. -- Rom. 6:23.
w 7/1/01 14, 15 Excerpt from "Examining the Scriptures
Daily 2002". © 2001 WatchTower Bible & Tract
Society of PA
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Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
13:19:24
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Hey this is the troll man RJ. What is happening in here? Where
has all the negativity gone? In case you haven't noticed I
have been laying low for a few days. That's because you guys
seem to be straightening up and behaving yourselves. You have
given me nothing to respond to. See, not all of us trolls are
bad afterall.......I'll be watching......<***forever your
troll***>RJ
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Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
14:45:31
Comments
Harooo, I'm Back, Somebudy send NP Nasty Virus, at fust look
like putty pictha frum JW akwaintance,bud win NP opun putty
pictha NP no he in twubba,NP say bewah of JW sending gifts
desdised as putty picha, can make computa reary sik! an NP
think John shude take shiil pew! He make NP nuvas...LOL NP
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Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
15:06:25
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Thank you "self proclaiming" TROLL, your blessings
mean so much.///// If we have to have the Devil's and the trolls,
maybe I should ask God to send us some Angles and earthly helpers. "A
little hope God", "and a little help please."
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Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
15:25:11
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To: All persons involved with child rape issues within JW's
RE: Maintaining Perspective In The Face Of Organizational Failure
Perspective: To look through, see clearly. The interrelation
in which a subject or its parts are mentally viewed. The capacity
to view things in their true relations or relative importance.
(Webster's Dictionary) Serious Questions JWs who are
aware of Watchtower (WT) leadership's failure in the
matter of fixing it's child rape case-handling policies
are faced with tough questions: 1. How is it possible that
the religious framework that represents the True God Jehovah
is insensitive to the plight of children being raped? 2. How
can conscientious individuals continue to associate and support
such a framework – knowing what they know is happening?
Bible accounts provide the key “… all the things
that were written aforetime were written for our instruction,
that through our endurance and through the comfort from the
Scriptures we might have hope.” JWs faced with the child rape
crisis now raging within the WT organization clearly are in
need of some comfort. The endurance part is a hard sell when
persons have no hope. To date WT leadership has stripped away
all hope in this matter and it doesn't look good for
this to change anytime soon. Romans 15:4, alluding to “things
that were written aforetime”, not only provides needed
hope, but solid answers. A close and meditative consideration
of the “things written” is the only way for thinking
JWs to answer the above questions and be able to maintain association
with JWs and faith that Jehovah can allow this tragedy to be
happening. Past Examples The “things written” shows
clearly that the True God allows evil and good to exist side
by side within the earthly ranks of God's chosen channels.
Never has there been a period in ancient times when there were
no bad guys along with the good guys. During the period of the
kings of Israel God allowed child sacrifice on the high places
of false gods. Manasseh and others filled the land with innocent
blood. Reformers like Hezekiah were few and far between, and
even they had their failings. The case can be made that Hezekiah's
much cited “good example” of trusting in God when
faced with extermination by Chaldea was only because he had
no way out of his jam. Before and after being delivered by
God, Hezekiah used statecraft to impress the enemy by showing
off the temple riches and even giving the door to the temple
away as a bribe. What kind of good example is that? We must
not overlook that “all” the things that were written
must be there for a very good reason. If we accept those ancient
ones as examples of faith, then we accept them with the bad
as well. Evidently God does because they are listed as example
in the book of Hebrews. Thus, if there is one thing this “instructs”,
its that leaders are all every one a mixed bag. That's
the lesson – JWs and JW leadership in modern times ARE
NO DIFFERENT from ancient ones! They are a mixed bag. Ask:
Have JWs and JW leadership been used in a wonderful way to
carry out the preaching the good news in all the earth? Is
there any other organization that has achieved love amongst
themselves as Jesus said would be the case? If there are where
are they? A Way Forward Understand clearly the reality happening
here. Lock and load mentally to not let the reality push you
out. Read the ancient accounts to get a perspective on this
mess. Persons can conscientiously stay within the ranks of
JWs. As with Elijah and others of old, ones may be hounded
and even “killed” via df'ings. As with Elijah's
day, God knows the exact headcount of ones who have not “bent
the knee to Baal” - by going along with leadership's
lead in this awful child rape matter. In Elijah's day
it was exactly 7,000. Today it is millions. Like Ahab and Jezebel's
case, God will judge the ones perpetrating the rape of children
within the modern day organization. Satan doesn't care
why a person leaves and/or looses faith in God, just that they
leave. This policy has been fomented by Satan himself, exactly
the same way as a sex and murder policies were used in ancient
times. SG
Remote User:
Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
16:45:41
Comments
RJ, knock it off this isn't a joke. Call yourself a troll not
the rest of us JW's. My comments regarding John still stand,
I think he is dangerous and a menace to those who don't agree
with him. He is vulgar and offensive, yet endearing to most
of you in spite of his crude behavior. Jesus would NEVER approve
of someone that likes to talk about stuffing things in peoples
orifices and suggesting what I think he did when he described
the old lady in the window. It's an utter disgrace, and you
know it.
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Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
17:09:49
Comments
I too am a victim along with 3 other siblings! I now know as
an adult, that something should of been done when our situation
was reported to the elders in the congregation. After many
years we took our molester to court. May all children feel
safe from danger!! No longer a silentlamb!! Iris irisclifford@hotmail.com
Remote User:
Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
18:50:55
Comments
If anyone knows of child porn by jehovah's witnesses either
being shown or produced by them, please e-mail me @ cosmicjill@planetkc.com.
Thanks so much!!!!!!!!
Remote User:
Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
19:24:32
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SG your thoughts are good ones, I have felt much anger and
released some of it on this sight, It helped let off some steam
that was needed and I don't look down on those that show there
anger like I do at times, I realize it is an important step
in the healing process, (as long as they don't become violent,
this is as bad as sexual abuse in my opinion) but your post
really did hit home for me today because I was not comfortable
with being angry at the WTS but I was, Your words on standing
beside the evil doers make since, I feel there will be a need
for someone that has been there and done that,I believe now
that the power is being taken out of this Taboo subject and
being put in our hands to deal with, if the WTBTS is afraid
to stick its neck out its up to its members to share there
Experience,Strength, and Hope to these abused lambs,even if
it means sitting amongst some of the Evil ones ,I believe after
reading your post this is a good that can come out of all of
this, it would make Jehovah happy and not destroy the good
people and things that happen there. I think that is what we
are meant to do now. Has there been any feedback from any of
the Asian country's on this subject or is this just an American
European problem...NP
Remote User:
Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
20:20:12
Comments
Another great article: http://blogs.salon.com/0001138/2002/09/04.html
. . . . . . My Favorite Excerpt . . Unknown to the faithful,
who would have taken the Watchtower as gospel, molesters could
remain in positions of authority at all levels of the organization.
The contents of that letter, though leaked on the Internet,
remain a secret to the lay members of the group. It was explained
to the elders, said Brown, and it is not a part of our standard
way of handling things to always inform every detail of matters
to the congregation in general. What is stated there [in the
January 1, 1997 Watchtower] and the way its stated there, without
the clarification, is certainly what happens most of the time.
. . .End of Quote. I'm just curious but doesn't the Governing
Body think it is patently dishonest, immoral and unethical
to have the congregation study an article and then send out
SECRET LETTERS to the Body of Elders? Honestly, my God is not
this stupid.
Remote User:
Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
20:33:13
Comments
NP, I want to answer your Asian country question. We have a
friend from Korea and he heard about the Dateline story as
he often watches American Television in his country. My husband
and I had been determined not to mention it to him as he is
a very staunch witness. He spent the two years in prison and
the whole nine yards. Well, anyway, he hears about the abuse
accusations and he totally believes it is true. He didn't tell
us why, but apparently there are things that have occurred in
Korea to make him believe it's truthfulness.
Remote User:
Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
20:36:51
Comments
TONIGHT, WED. 9-4-02, 10 PM NEWS, NASHVILLE, TN, NBC STATION:
Barbara Anderson, and JW scandal/cover up!!! If you're in the
area, turn on your NBC Channel for the 10 pm news!!! ---/SLC
Remote User:
Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
20:39:50
Comments
cosmicjill@planetkc.com/// I want you to know that I sent your
address to the FBI, if you want what you are asking for they
can contact you. This is not a game. What if what is claimed
to go on here is real. Do you really feel powerful to mock
someone who has been violated or beaten? Come on man I know
you don't.-
Remote User:
Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
20:40:51
Comments
NEWS TONIGHT! Here's more details: For those in the Nashville,
TN viewing range, Brian Lewis is interviewing Barbara Anderson
and Joe, that is if he gets home in time, this afternoon. The
interview will be shown on the 10 P.M. news tonight, Wednesday,
Channel 4, the NBC affiliate, WSMV.
Remote User:
Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
20:41:04
Comments
John's Detractor: It is true that John has ideas that are quite
dangerous to those that disagree with him. He is passionate,
and I believe he does his own research, first-hand. As for
your speech on behalf of Christ's opinions, you're wrong there
too chief. Can you imagine how vulgar it seemed to the establishment
when Christ went in and tossed the money changers from the
temple? Do you think he went in and asked nicely? Was he apologetic
and never wavering from trying to reason with them? He kicked
butt and got some attention when his cause needed it. Oh yeah,
and more than a bit sarcastic when he wanted to be too: "You
yourself say it" - to Pontius Pilate! It is so presumptuous
of you to speak for Christ. Though you are to be forgiven,
'for you do not know what you are doing.' - Buster
Remote User:
Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
21:21:51
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Remote User:
Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
22:01:41
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Remote User:
Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
22:03:30
Comments
I just read the Barbara Anderson Report, AWESOME... There can
be no question now ,in my mind that somewhere along the line
Satan has sent his agents to sit in OUR HOUSE and put in a
position to Govern and abuse his true followers, We need to
stand up and write letters to the Governing Body asking them
to step down and find competent God Fearing Worshipers of Jehovah
to oversee this to be done... I would like to nominate Barbara
Anderson and I am writing my letter to the WTBTS asking this
to be so...Well isn't that the way WTBTS hands injustice
to their witnesses, they have everyone write a letter isn't
that so...I'm Serious...NP
Remote User:
Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
22:46:38
Comments
Hi JOHN: I loved your story your uncle used to tell you (lady
in window with dog paws on her shoulders), and I also liked
your application of it. Probably very true, but we all will
feel better for doing our part, no matter how heartless the
GB continues to act! /SLC
Remote User:
Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
22:50:28
Comments
To Nameless Ghost who said John was not doing the Lord's work.
Wouldn't that be a little PRESUMPTUOUS for YOU to decide who
is and who is not doing the Lord's work? Are YOU the Lord,
btw? If you are the Lord, then, yes, YOU CAN SAY who is and
who is not doing your work. Otherwise, I would be careful making
such judgments. Do we all wish John did not let a curse word
fly now and then? Sure. But everything else he says reminds
me of this: "Speak the word of Jehovah WITH BOLDNESS." Maybe
the Lord chooses all kinds of people, some BOLD, some more
meek. When you get off your self-righteous judgment trip, then
we will welcome you. Otherwise, you're a REAL DOWNER HERE.
/SLC
Remote User:
Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
22:52:57
Comments
JOIN NOW! The 700 Club! (Oops. That's a typo, I meant): John
The 300 Club! Yes, The 300 Club was begun by me, SLC, for any
and all regulars who would like to post at least 300 replies
to guests here who may not really be writing to you specifically
but your heart compels you to write/reply/welcome/comfort,
and yes, you even might have to chastise a few now and then.
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) LOVE TO EVERYONE!!! /SLC
Remote User:
Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
22:53:12
Comments
Iris Clifford: Please tell us what happened when you took the
perp to court. Criminal or civil? Did you include the elders
that should have helped but didn't. Do you know of any others
that this creep attacked - attack that could/should have been
prevented? I hope you got some satisfaction. - Buster
Remote User:
Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
23:00:04
Comments
Reminder to those who don't recall or haven't read: SLC = Definition
= Silent Lambs Cheerleader. ----- Cheerleader = Definition: "One
who leads the cheering of spectators." Hence, I began
posting and making an effort to cheer-on/reply/acknowledge/validate/welcome/
comfort/console/or Just Say Howdy! to everyone who takes the
time to visit the Guestbook, and who leaves a comment. ------
Another word for cheerleader (per the dictionary) is adulator
= Definition: "To praise or admire excessively." -----
You Better Belief It Too! That's my heart's desire: To PRAISE & ADMIRE
EXCESSIVELY SURVIVORS OF ABUSE; to Praise & Admire the
SUPPORTERS & ADVOCATES of the Victims/Survivors of Abuse!
If you want to be on the cheerleading team, which most of you
WONDERFUL PEOPLE already ARE, keep up the GOOD WORK. When we
all reach the 300-post mark, we become automatic members of
THE 300 CLUB!!! :-) :-) :-) :-) Love ya/SLC!
Remote User:
Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
23:00:56
Comments
SG . . . . . . This is the counterpoint to your commentary
. . . . .Years ago some Jehovah's Witnesses in the door
to door service rang my doorbell and I eventually studied and
was baptized. One of the points they drilled home to me was
I needed to leave my current religion because of its wrongdoing.
They convinced me that to stay would be guilt by association.
And now you are telling me that it is okay to stay part of
a religion regardless of what its leadership does? Also you
are saying that Jehovah will sort out the wicked from the righteous
within the JW's religious organization; therefore I must
conclude that he would be willing to do the same for any religion.
I have a couple of other problems, you say that true religion
should have LOVE among their selves, so my question is: Does
that include love for VICTIMS? Would it be okay to destroy
the lives of tens of thousands of children and then throw them
away by disfellowshipping them if they had problems? Would
it be okay to threaten and coerce people like me who complained
about the abuse? I have another question: When the bible says
all you are BROTHERS, did it mean that it was okay to have
a hierarchy of elders that would rule over the lay class with
secret instructions received via secret letters and secret
meetings? Does the Bible have a SECRET PART that I don't
know about? Would it be okay for me and many others to study
our watchtowers and think we were being taught by the FDS but
in fact they were using double speak and secret documents to
hide the truth? You seem to have the Hebrew Scriptures down
pat, but let me ask you another question? How hard do you think
it was for First Century Christians to leave the Jewish religion?
What did it cost them? Weren't they disfellowshipped
by the synagogues? Why couldn't they just remain a part
of that Pharisaical organization and let God sort it out in
the end? I have a few more questions but I'll stop with
this one. In my congregation about 90% of the members did not
care about the victim, the elders ran a dis-information double
speak campaign that would have made Bill Clinton proud and
lies were taught. Mr JR Brown and Watchtower Service Dept was
very personally involved it this particular mess. So do you
think those people are my brothers? My name is Nan, Nancy Naranjo
Remote User:
Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
23:04:13
Comments
NP! LOL! on the "beware of JW sending/gifts." ---
And What does "shiil pew" mean??? ?SLC
Remote User:
Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
23:08:59
Comments
TROLL MAN, RJ: How nice of you to visit us again. What you
are evidently not grasping, even though I have mentioned this
before, is that when there are BIG EVENTS COMING UP/TAKING
PLACE having to do with the SIlent Lambs Organization, then
everybody gets busy and is taking care of things; hence the
# of posts drop down, and everyone is very excited as we have
BIG DAYS COMING! Now, once those Events die down again -- and
they will in the interim, as occurred more recently after Dateline
and before BBC Panorama... and then between Panorama and CNN....
and in between CNN and this NEXT BIG OCCURRENCE.... -- The
point I am making is that IN BETWEEN big Silent Lambs Functions,
there is a slowdown and people like to discuss SIDE TOPICS
having to do with the WTS. When that time comes again -- and
it will -- we will give you ADVANCE WARNING so you can disappear
for awhile so you will not get sooooooo discouraged and obnoxious
about the Side Topics which we also like to discuss. Now, do
you understand how the EBB & FLOW of this guestbook works?
I hope I have explained it in a way you can comprehendo! LOVE
YOU MR. TROLL RJ!!!! LOVE LOVE LOVE IS IN THE AIR!!! SILENT
LAMBS ARE A-NUMBER-ONE PEOPLE!!!! /SLC
Remote User:
Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
23:13:11
Comments
DUHHHHH! I did not even "GET" the story John's uncle
told him about the lady in the window, until just now when
I read the NAMELESS Ghost's post. NOW I GET IT! Now I see how
John was applying it: THE GB GETTING IT FROM BEHIND. Well,
we already know that is TRUE (i.e., Greenlees, Canadian Branch
Office; and Chitty, et al.) GB PERVERTS ARE DISGUSTING, so
how can you find fault with the discreet way of putting it?
Would you rather have us describe in DETAIL what Greenlees and
Chitty Chitty Bang Bang did???? /SLC
Remote User:
Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
23:15:45
Comments
For a people who like to label themselves "IN THE TRUTH",
it has been my personal observation over the years that they
run from the truth and cower in their dark holes whenever they
hear it. Also whenever they are asked a direct question, they
will lie lie LIE, no matter how ludicrous the story they have
made up to cover their evil tracks. I have never known anyone
to fear the truth like a JW CJV Ontario, Canada
Remote User:
Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
23:17:49
Comments
SORRY I didn't have time to read AND reply to all the posts
tonight or the past few days, especially the longer ones I
didn't even read tonight. Doing laundry for outfit for the
BIG DAY TOMORROW for SILENT LAMBS ACROSS AMERICAN & THE
WORLD!!!! I WILL BE THERE!!! Come RAIN (most likely Tropical
Depression Eduardo!) or SHINE!!! My laundry is done so I gotta
go put it in the dryer and get to bed. Hope to check in late
tomorrow or very soon with more news!!! Love ya/SLC
Remote User:
Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
23:42:26
Comments
CENTRAL FLORIDA PEOPLE: If anyone visits the guestbook late
tonight or early tomorrow (today) THURSDAY 9-5-02, from the
Central Florida Area, and you want to lend support to the Silent
Lambs, why not come to the press conference 10:30 am TODAY/Thursday,
in the Heart of Orlando!!! All you have to do is just STAND
THERE & SHOW YOUR SUPPORT! For info write Zenreese@aol.com,
or write info@silentlambs.org, or call 386-295-4545 for DIRECTIONS & LOCATION.
Remote User:
Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
23:46:05
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ATLANTA, GEORGIA & SURROUND AREA: CENTRAL FLORIDA PEOPLE:
If anyone visits the guestbook late tonight or early tomorrow
(today) THURSDAY 9-5-02, from the Atlanta, GA area, and you
want to lend support to the Silent Lambs, why not come to the
press conference 10:30 am TODAY/Thursday, in Atlanta!!! All
you have to do is just STAND THERE & SHOW YOUR SUPPORT!
For info write obedf@hotmail.com, or write info@silentlambs.org
or call 1-877-WT-ABUSE for DIRECTIONS & LOCATION.
Remote User:
Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
23:46:39
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CORRECT VERSION: ATLANTA, GEORGIA & SURROUND AREA: If anyone
visits the guestbook late tonight or early tomorrow (today)
THURSDAY 9-5-02, from the Atlanta, GA area, and you want to
lend support to the Silent Lambs, why not come to the press
conference 10:30 am TODAY/Thursday, in Atlanta!!! All you have
to do is just STAND THERE & SHOW YOUR SUPPORT! For info
write obedf@hotmail.com, or write info@silentlambs.org or call
1-877-WT-ABUSE for DIRECTIONS & LOCATION.
Remote User:
Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
23:49:03
Comments
GREATER LOS ANGELES AREA: If anyone visits the guestbook late
tonight or early tomorrow (today) THURSDAY 9-5-02, from the
Greater LA area, and you want to lend support to the Silent
Lambs, why not come to the press conference 10:30 am TODAY/Thursday,
in LA!!! All you have to do is just STAND THERE & SHOW
YOUR SUPPORT! For info write info@silentlambs.org or call 1-877-WT-ABUSE
for DIRECTIONS & LOCATION.
Remote User:
Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
23:52:05
Comments
SEATTLE, WASHINGTON & SURROUNDING AREA: If anyone visits
the guestbook late tonight or early tomorrow (today) THURSDAY
9-5-02, from the SEATTLE area, and you want to lend support
to the Silent Lambs, why not come to the press conference 10:30
am TODAY/Thursday, in SEATTLE!!! All you have to do is just
STAND THERE & SHOW YOUR SUPPORT! Contact: Charles L. Eakins:
Both Home & Cell 206-706-0797; or Bill Bowen: 270-527-5350,
cell 270-559-5345; or write info@silentlambs.org or call 1-877-WT-ABUSE
for EXACT DIRECTIONS & LOCATION.
Remote User:
Date:
04 Sep 2002
Time:
23:57:56
Comments
REPORT FROM THE FIELD: MISSION ACCOMPLISHED Sep 5, 2002 00:46
------ JUST GOT HOME A SHORT WHILE AGO AFTER VISITING A COUPLE
OF LOCAL KINGDOM HALLS. YEP, LEFT THEM A "PRESENT" A
LITTLE LAMB WITH A NOTE REGARDING THE "SILENCED LAMBS" AND
THE SILENT LAMBS WEB SITE. THEY'LL BE THERE TO GREET THE PIONEERS
AND PUBLISHERS FOR THEIR EARLY MORNING FIELD SERVICE MEETING.
(Posted by SisterAct at J-W.com) ----- GREAT IDEA! WE ALL should
do that, maybe the Thursday night before the 9-27-02 March
--or -- the Saturday night after the March, so the lambs would
be there for their SUNDAY meetings! What do you think my fellow
CHEERLEAERS??? (Yes I'm supposed to be IN BED by now!) /SLC
THE LAMBS WILL BE DOING THEIR OWN WITNESSING.
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
00:08:51
Comments
Buster, if you recall back on 31 Aug 2002 19:17:34 John said
he was doing the Lord's work. It is a DISGRACE to take
Jehovah's name in vain as he has done so many times on
this site. He alludes to “your god Jehovah” often
and follows up with obscene remarks that are sickening. Buster
you make me sick even trying to condone such behavior. I don't
care how much research he does, I am really upset that anyone
DARES to condone his antics. HOW DARE YOU condone his obnoxious
behavior with references to what our Lord Jesus did on behalf
of Jehovah when he tried to clean his Fathers house!?! This
is an absolute outrage and truly sickening to say the least,
that you would even offer an explanation for his behavior.
You also said the following “As for your speech on behalf
of Christ's opinions” WHAT??? I don't have
to speak for him, pick up a bible!! What do you mean I'm
wrong there? The bible clearly delineates what makes a true
follower of Christ, would you say Buster he fits the bill?
And to SLC, why don't YOU be careful when YOU make your
judgments? I base mine on what is clear as day, and John has
made it very clear he is a dangerous individual by the crude
obscene language and descriptions he uses. “Speak the
word of Jehovah with CRUDENESS, is what John does SLC. Before
you quote from the bible make sure you know what you're
talking about. I was abused as a child and I think it is a
disgrace what is happening here. So now what SLC, am I not
welcome here anymore? Are you going to tell me that I am lying?
Your comments about the GB were despicable. I expect that from
you and from others here. And someone says they're lumping
me in with other WT zombies, go ahead if that makes you feel
better. I thought that this was a site for anonymous posts.
When did that change?
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
00:18:31
Comments
TAMPA, FL VISITORS: If you would like to lend support to Silent
Lambs, why not attend the press conference Thursday, TODAY,
9-5-02, at 10:30 AM??? For directions to location call ASAP:
#1-877-WT-ABUSE, or email: info@silentlambs.org, or call 270-527-5350,
cell 270-559-5345.
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
00:19:39
Comments
PANAMA CITY, FL VISITORS: If you would like to lend support
to Silent Lambs, why not attend the press conference in PANAMA
CITY, Thursday, TODAY, 9-5-02, at 10:30 AM??? For directions
to location call ASAP: #1-877-WT-ABUSE, or email: info@silentlambs.org,
or call 270-527-5350, cell 270-559-5345.
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
00:20:40
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to Silent Lambs, why not attend the press conference in NASHVILLE,
Thursday, TODAY, 9-5-02, at 10:30 AM??? For directions to location
call ASAP: #1-877-WT-ABUSE, or email: info@silentlambs.org,
or call 270-527-5350, cell 270-559-5345.
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
00:21:32
Comments
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to Silent Lambs, why not attend the press conference in LOUISVILLE,
Thursday, TODAY, 9-5-02, at 10:30 AM??? For directions to location
call ASAP: #1-877-WT-ABUSE, or email: info@silentlambs.org,
or call 270-527-5350, cell 270-559-5345.
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
00:22:20
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ST. LOUIS, MISSOURI, VISITORS: If you would like to lend support
to Silent Lambs, why not attend the press conference in ST. LOUIS,
Thursday, TODAY, 9-5-02, at 10:30 AM??? For directions to location
call ASAP: #1-877-WT-ABUSE, or email: info@silentlambs.org,
or call 270-527-5350, cell 270-559-5345.
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
00:23:01
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to Silent Lambs, why not attend the press conference in SALT
LAKE CITY, Thursday, TODAY, 9-5-02, at 10:30 AM??? For directions
to location call ASAP: #1-877-WT-ABUSE, or email: info@silentlambs.org,
or call 270-527-5350, cell 270-559-5345.
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
00:23:58
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Silent Lambs, why not attend the press conference in TUCSON,
Thursday, TODAY, 9-5-02, at 10:30 AM??? For directions to location
call ASAP: #1-877-WT-ABUSE, or email: info@silentlambs.org,
or call 270-527-5350, cell 270-559-5345.
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
00:24:34
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to Silent Lambs, why not attend the press conference in PORTLAND,
Thursday, TODAY, 9-5-02, at 10:30 AM??? For directions to location
call ASAP: #1-877-WT-ABUSE, or email: info@silentlambs.org,
or call 270-527-5350, cell 270-559-5345.
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
00:25:08
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to Silent Lambs, why not attend the press conference in SACRAMENTO,
Thursday, TODAY, 9-5-02, at 10:30 AM??? For directions to location
call ASAP: #1-877-WT-ABUSE, or email: info@silentlambs.org,
or call 270-527-5350, cell 270-559-5345.
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
00:25:51
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VIRGINIA & MAINE VISITORS: If you would like to lend support
to Silent Lambs, why not attend the press conference in VIRGINIA & MAINE,
Thursday, TODAY, 9-5-02, at 10:30 AM??? For directions to location
call ASAP: #1-877-WT-ABUSE, or email: info@silentlambs.org,
or call 270-527-5350, cell 270-559-5345.
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
00:42:51
Comments
WE FIND ANONYMOUS POSTS AN ANNOYANCE because it leaves us NO
NAME in which to address the person. IT IS A COURTESY to give
yourself a code-name! But since you are basically an annoyance
anyway, what do we care? Get with the program. I remain Anonymous
but I use a code name as do many of the other regulars here
so we can know Who Said What, and when we reply, we know WHO
we are replying to by their code name. SEE? How hard is that
to understand??? Abused or not, you are still sitting on a
very High Pedestal, with a very self-righteous attitude. THAT
is what is such a turn off. At least "crude" John
is NOT SELF-Righteous, and neither is Buster. -- And another
thing, speaking for myself, I think not even using a code name
is COWARDLY. For pete's sake, make up a name for yourself.
How about SELF-RIGHTEOUS? or Nameless or NO NAME or whatever.
Just pick one and USE IT Repeatedly, or would you rather PLAY
CHILDISH GAMES by making yourself INVISIBLE so NO ONE CAN REALLY
GET TO KNOW YOU???? OK, keep hiding in the corner without a
name. Reminds me of that guy who wrote the book: A BOY CALLED "IT." ---
That's what his mother called him as she abused him horribly
all his life. DO you want us to refer to YOU as "IT"????
----- The more you provoke John with your condemnations, the
more he will lash out. That's the way New Yorkers Are! (joking,
John). He has a right to post his anger here, just as you unfortunately
have a right to post your DISDAIN OF EVERYONE HERE. WHY DON"T
YOU GO SOMEWHERE ELSE and find a group you REALLY LIKE if all
you can do is COMPLAIN COMPLAIN COMPLAIN???? Abused or not,
I really feel no empathy for you whatsoever. You've got a cork
you know where. ---- As for the GB - THERE IS DOCUMENTED PROOF & FACTS
ABOUT GREELEES & CHITTY. GO EDUCATE YOURSELF ABOUT YOUR
LEADERS before you spout off like the naive blinded JW you
are. Sheeeeesh! Take off the blinders and START READING! Then
come back with your tail between your legs, show some humility
and we may -- just may warm up to you. GOODBYE! /SLC
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
00:50:39
Comments
DALLAS, TEXAS, VISITORS: If anyone visits the guestbook late
tonight or early tomorrow (today) THURSDAY 9-5-02, from the
DALLAS area, and you want to lend support to the Silent Lambs,
why not come to the press conference 10:30 am TODAY/Thursday,
in DALLAS!!! All you have to do is just STAND THERE & SHOW
YOUR SUPPORT! For exact location and directions, Contact: Bill
Bowen: 270-527-5350, cell 270-559-5345; or write nfo@silentlambs.org
or call 1-877-WT-ABUSE -- or email janderson817@earthlink.net
-- or -- Ohsophat63@hotmail.com -- or -- Linthoman@hotmail.com.
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
00:51:30
Comments
BTW, NAMELESS "Self-Righteous" NoName Complainer:
ARE YOU GOING TO A PRESS CONFERENCE TOMORROW TO SUPPORT SILENT
LAMBS? Or are you going to hang around the Guestbook and complain
all day? /SLC
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
02:39:41
Comments
Ghost: Somebody needs a sense of humor. Absolutely, John has
an occasionally crude way of delivering his message, no question.
But he is to the point, well-researched, and sometimes pretty
darn funny. He is committed to his cause, and I think that
cause is the same 'house clearing' you refer to. And as far
as being a qualified follower of Christ - I'd stack him, and
most of the posters here, up against any elder that has ever
told an abused, crying for help 12-year-old that they need
to either shut up or find another witness. By the way, this
wide world of ours needs instigators too. Thanks for keeping
the repartee lively. - Buster
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
03:54:17
Comments
Remote Looser: (New handle for no name insulters?) Date: 05
Sep 2002 Time: 00:08:51 …”HOW DARE YOU condone
his obnoxious behavior with references to what our Lord Jesus
did on behalf of Jehovah when he tried to clean his Fathers
house.”…. HOW DARE YOU… Jesus did not try.
He succeeded then, and succeeds now… He will succeed
in our futures. And you questioned and answered yourself I
recommend physiological help and medication before this turns
into full a full blown mental illness. (Just looking out for
ya buddy.) You say you were abused. I am sorry for that. Really,
I am. I was too. (Not sexually) but abuse mental or physical
sucks! This site is very unique. It is holding the people in
command of the WTBS responsible for their direct actions and
the policy that they created. They are accountable. What they
have said about Mr. Bowen and all the other people called Silent
Lambs here is what is obscene. That is the real outrage. This
time it is not going to just be swept away. People and the
GB are going to have to atone for what they have done and what
they are doing. No more will anyone be able to silence a victim
of rape, or molestation. No more physical abuse to keep someone
in line. No more fearing the loss of love, or companionship
because you have drawn the wrath of an earthly man trying to
play god. NO MORE! NO MORE! NO MORE FEAR! NO MORE PAIN! At
least no more feeling alone. You, We are not alone here. At
least we try to give comfort in our own ways. It is like a
TV. If you don't like John pass over him. If you like
whomsoever say so. But John, Buster, Linda, Jessica, Bill,
RMK, SLC, Rich, NP, Nancy, (You are new I think but boy from
the heart), Bonnie, Mole, Soapbox and many more all deserve
respect. I believe that they are real and all are different
in views but they are here and that is believable and therefore
that, and they are respectable. –Just my opinion-Jayson-Let
the lashings begin……………
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
05:41:26
Comments
Zombie,Zombie I regret your situation. Your brain is not functioning
You are the only one that will have to pay for the inexperience
that is equal with stupidity. You are wasting your time thinking
that you might confuse somebody here or discourage. Our mission
is clear. We endeavor to show the world that the GB of JW is
a criminal element in our society that must be brought to jusice.RMK
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
09:49:49
Comments
SLC, You want me to go somewhere else if I want to complain
about those who take Jehovah's name in vain? You are
UNBELIEVABLE!!!! You're calling ME self-righteous? I
read some of your posts, stopped right about where you were
blowing up at people when they disagree with you. John is at
LIBERTY to take Jehovah's name in vain, because no one
is stopping him from writing, but Jesus and Jehovah do not
give him the RIGHT, OK?? He has acted shamefully and what is
more shameful is those who condone his behavior. YOU are vulgar
and offensive also, which is why I suspect you take issue with
what I said to John. Can you respond respectfully without making
references in peoples private areas? Look who is talking about
hanging around complaining all day. Now I see why those who
disagree see the irony in all of this. Buster – HOUSE
CLEANING? ARE YOU FOR REAL?!?!? I can't BELIEVE you think
he is imitating Christ. Just because I am extremely upset that
this site unfortunately turned out to what I thought it would
be when I checked in, and made my comments, I am an instigator?
Now I am a loser to Jayson? Did I HAVE to agree with your views
in order to not be called a loser? Can you see how insulting
the posters here are? RMK or whatever your name is, I'm
stupid??? I call it as I see it, hope not to offend but unfortunately
it offends. I am truly outraged, what a disgrace to our god
Jehovah and his son Jesus, who I can say without a doubt lump
verbal abusers with all those who abuse children. That is MY
belief, whether you like it or not. And don't try to
say I am engaging in the same thing, which is what I suspect
you will. I state my observations without calling names. I
am guessing you all were disfellowshipped, right? I see what's
going on here……. What a waste of my time trying
to get John not to be vulgar and use the Lord's name
in vain.
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
10:34:21
Comments
Nice to know that the JW's can't hide from this one. Go get
'em!
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
10:46:52
Comments
John is a lovable person.When he speaks about Jehovah your
god he speaks about the WT as god that has taken the NAME of
the Holy ONE of ISRAEL on ITSELF and blasphemes it. He loves
Jehovah or Jahve. You however Nameless One do not know who
Jehovah is or the relationship between Him and His Son Jesus
Christ because the WT made tremendous effort to eliminate that
possibility from your conception. It is up to you. If you want
to learn than be patient and study. Do not attack anybody whose
character you are unable to read.rmk
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
11:14:58
Comments
05 Sep 2002 Time: 09:49:49/////I did not call you a loser. - Jay
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
11:41:18
Comments
Ghost: An instigator is not necessarily a bad thing. One more
word about John - I think many at this site are unoffended
by his specific choice of words because we are listening to
the message he is conveying. Anyway, enough of all that I hope.
I think most here would like to hear your story - only as much
as you can share without much pain. And I think you want to
tell it too (a bit presumptuous). Did anyone in authority (privilege)
help, or fail to help? This is a great chance to disarm and
get back to the point. - Buster
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
11:51:17
Comments
RMK are you serious? I don't know who Jehovah is or what
his relationship is with his son? The fact that you love John
after he seriously takes the Lord's name in vain gives
me the creeps. I know EXACTLY who Jehovah is, he is our creator.
I know who Jesus is, he is our savior, our redeemer, our Christ.
Don't lecture me on who Jehovah or Jesus is. I know what
the relationship is between the two, and what I also know is
that NO ONE here or ANYWHERE is worthy of even breathing the
air that we breathe because of our stupidity. With that said,
Jehovah was gracious enough to send his son Jesus to earth
and set an example for us all to follow, and was gracious enough
to preserve a collection of inspired works that can help us
imitate his son Jesus to the best of our ridiculously limited
capabilities. WOULD YOU AGREE WITH ME SO FAR? It is CRYSTAL
clear by a careful examination of scriptures that the example
Jesus set is seriously compromised here. You can sit there
all day claiming that I don't know anything it doesn't
bother me in the least bit. What DOES bother me is the fact
that you believe someone that is obviously twisting everything
to his liking AND MAKING VEILED THREATS is lovable. Stop embarrassing
yourself by condoning his despicable behavior. And Jay, did
you get amnesia? Do you recall the following: 05 Sep 2002 03:54:17 “Remote
Looser: (New handle for no name insulters?)”???? You
DID call me a loser. AM I A LOSER? What, because I am fuming
that our creators name is being dragged through the mud? I
already ran out of words to describe how I feel at being attacked
IN SPITE of the fact that I am a victim myself.
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
13:24:46
Comments
05 Sep 2002 Time: 11:51:17 (1) The "Remote looser" was
a question. So, again only you decide if you are. What I think
does not matter. If you are attacking out of your own hurt
then you deserve understanding sympathy. You may not see it
or understand it but it has been given to you. Look for the
best in the posts without spite and you will see that the anger
is not at you, not at the religious body of Jehovah's Witnesses.
The outrage is at over 100 years of punishing true God loving
people by a small band of earthly men working hard to maintain
power that is exclusive to God. The teachings of Christ is not
about crushing the spirit of your own kind or anyone else.
If you can not see that by now you do not want to. If I have
offended you then I am sorry for that my mission is to not
infirm. If others here offend you then I am sorry for them
too. Unfortunate many here seem to intend to infirm. Look past
them. Heck, look past me if you need to. Help the lambs, they
are what matter to me. I don't care if you hate me as long
as you will help those asking for help. You have no name which
makes it harder to see you as a person. That is your choice
I have no power to change that, you do. But if you want to
be better accepted you must have the courage to make yourself
a person and not a remote user. You can heal here if you wish.
You can leave here if you wish. Many quotes of the Bible are
given here. Remember there are 1000's of God's people and they
are in so many institutions out in the world. They are everywhere.
God is everywhere. If you limit your scope to the WTBS point
of view you are very limited but I am sure that there are people
there that can help you if you need it. If not then maybe God
is telling you to become that helping person. No matter what
it is your choice. You asked if I think that if you do not
accept my point of view are you a looser. You decide; It does
not matter what I think it only matters what you think. If
I do not accept the WTBS and the GB feelings (beliefs) on all
matters do you think that I am a looser? If Christ had been
told by the Religious establishment to accept their views what
would he have said? What would his disciples have said? If we
are so mislead to speak out for the crimes that are being
and have been shunned by the GB, if this is so outrageous to
God then we will fail. But, if God is using us to make change
in the GB or the WTBS to make it in harmony with the teaching
of Christ then do you want to be in the way? The GB has been
wrong many many times about many many things in the past, maybe
just maybe they are wrong here. (What do you think? Could they
be wrong?) And yes maybe just maybe John is a disciple of Christ.
Only he decides that. Not you not me and not the GB.-Jayson
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
14:14:16
Comments
Nameless, you are not a victim and you do not know JEHOVAH.
You prove that every time you open your mouth. You have knowledge
of some scriptures from NWT and the standard lies from the
WT and Awake magazines but you lack biblical knowledge and
have NO UNDERSTANDING. For example: You don't know that you
are claiming perfection for yourself and demand the same from
others.But Jesus did not die for you the perfect Nameless.
John and myself and others are not perfect but the Lord died
for us imperfect people. Jesus was a company to beggars prostitutes
and thieves and it was not embarrassing or shameful for him to
give them hope cure them eat with them and remove their sin.
It is below your dignity to talk to some of us. So you judge
us as a typical Pharisee Who gave you that right? As I said
before You are not to blame as much as those who keep you enslaved.
Indeed as you just proved again you do not know your Creator
yet nor his Son not to mention the Holy Spirit! He is only
a thing to you and your Slave masters the WBTS.(Even the title
is so ridiculous - Masonery.Bizzare! John is acceptable to
everybody here but you make yourself abhorrent to us and the
LORD. I hope you understand that in right context.rmk
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
14:56:57
Comments
To Iris---welcome and good for you. Love Jesika Thoman Dallas,Tx
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
14:57:49
Comments
Buster - An elder's son abused me. It was not the elder.
I don't remember if he was baptized or not. It was long
ago. I do remember the son denying everything. Am I angry with
the body of elders? NO. Are my parents angry, NO. Why aren't
we angry? Well, people are imperfect, and we cannot hold the
elders accountable for what happens to children. Yes I still
carry a scar, from the abuse not from the JW's. I've
been around the block and back, and would be someone COMPLETELY
different person if I wasn't a JW. Believe me when I
say that, it wouldn't be pretty dealing with me as a
wordly person. It took me a while to realize that out of all
religions, JW are the ones that STICK TO THEIR GUNS and follow
the bible for better, or for what some mistakenly view as worse.
This is EXACTLY what bothers most here. It's easy to
discard Jehovah's point of view on serious sins if you're
not a JW, such as immorality, but not easy if you are. That's
because there IS NO LEEWAY. There is no room for adultery,
divorce, fornication, loose conduct, vulgar language, etc.,
etc., but what do you see of those who are not a JW's?
LOOK AROUND!! And what happens if a JW commits a sin and does
not repent? They get what's coming and well deserved,
as outlined in the scriptures. When disfellowshipped, it's
easier for some to wickedly make it their life's devotion
to destroy the very religion that taught them the truth, and
complain about how their family does not talk to them, as opposed
to repenting. WHAT A COP OUT!!! Now you're crying because
your supposedly brainwashed family doesn't want anything
to do with you, FOR GOOD REASON! MAYBE THEY DON'T LIKE
THE NAMECALLING!!!!!! I am sick to my stomach to see how much
hatred is going on here. I am even sicker that TLC or whatever
has no empathy towards me for the simple and OBVIOUS reason
that I am not on the same wagon she is. DO I HAVE TO BE? I
think not. I call the bluffs, and when I see people taking
the Lords name in vain which is EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS HERE I
TELL IT LIKE IT IS!!!!!!!! Forgive me for losing it but I can't
believe what is going on here. Here's a prophecy for
you, watch all the names I will be called because what I say
will rub those who this applies to the wrong way. UNBELIEVABLE!!!
WHAT DOES NAME CALLING ACCOMPLISH?!?!?! What a disgusting display
of bad manners. The lack of love and compassion and consideration
for abuse victims is appalling to say the least. Do you honestly
expect ANYONE that is impartial to listen to your message?
Why are you trying SO HARD for people that I encounter door
to door to assume that I'm a child abuser? I HAVE KIDS!!!
That is SO DAMAGING! That is EVIL!!! All I have is love for
kids, but you want my community to believe that I am a child
abuser because I am a JW?? SICK!!!!! TWISTED!!!! Tell me, ISN'T
THAT ONE OF YOUR GOALS? You think I'm going to stop preaching
because I'll be afraid if you ever accomplish your evil
goals? ILL BE THE FIRST TO TELL YOU THAT I AM NOT AFRAID OF
MAN. I carry the name Jehovah with me and whatever happens
happens. I'll let Jehovah decide what to do with me and
in the meantime, I'll continue to preach a message of
hope and peace and not one of hate. SLC\TLC YOU ARE SO PETTY
THAT THE FACT THAT I DON'T USE A HANDLE WILL COMPEL YOU
TO CALL ME NAMES. WHAT A JOKE!!! Jayson – I have been
given the love and compassion I needed a LOOOOONG time ago,
back when Bill Bowen used to sit on Judicial committees. You
have absolutely no idea what the love I receive from the elders
and congregations I have had the pleasure to be associated
with. I compare it with the supposed love that is offered here
and I wonder how you can make the statements you make in spite
of the FILTH and GARBAGE that litters this place. Again, how
do you have THE NERVE to compare what is being done here with
what our Lord Christ was sent here to earth by Jehovah to do?
And YOU'RE STILL BELIEVING THAT JESUS IS WOULD USE AN
ABUSIVE PERSON TO DO HIS WORK?!?!?! ARE YOU KIDDING? RMK – Why
do you equate my indignation of name calling and using our
Lords name in vain to me claiming I am perfect? John and others
use obscene language and disgusting descriptions of what they
would like to see in people's rear ends. Do YOU think
they are doing the Lord's work? You have absolutely no
credibility when you refuse to see WHAT IS OBVIOUS. It really
bothers you doesn't it when I say not to use the Lords
name in vain. And calling me a liar? Are you suggesting that
I made up the abuse that happened to me because I don't
agree with the perversions that are on display here? This is
really sickening, what a gross attempt to validate the abusive
and threatening tones that rule most posts here.
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
14:59:19
Comments
DALLAS PRESS CONFERENCE::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::Ok,
well we had 7people total to support the silent lambs. It was
me,Valis, my roommate, country girl, and 3others from Oklahoma.
We had 2 reports show. One was a talk radio station, and another
was from a TV station---no camera though. The reporter from
channel 8 is wanting us to do a documentary type thing. He
wants us to keep in contact with him and email him info and
he took all of our names and #'s. Before the conference started
I passed out flyers right in front of the KH. A guy across
the street came out to get a newspaper and I ran over and said "Well
since you live right across the street from them you might
want to know this," then I smiled and told him to have
a nice day--LOL. We were holding up signs and everyone driving
by couldn't ignore us---it was great!!!!! OH DID I FORGET TO
MENTION THE JW's SHOWED UP??????????????????--LMAO One lady
drove up in a mini-van and I had already placed the lamb on
the front door (it faces the street--this KH is at a MAJOR
intersection in Dallas and in a very snooty part of town) and
I had also put a sign by the door--Valis has pics of it. Well,
she went up to the door and the next thing we know we see the
sign and the lamb in the middle of the driveway. She threw
them on the ground and got back in her car. Well, she pulls
up and actually stopped to talk to us. Well, I approached the
door and she asked why we were there and I started to tell
her and she told me we were in the wrong place--so I corrected
her and told her we were definitely in the right place. She
asked if we were JW's and I told her I was df. I thought for
sure she would drive away but she stayed and kept talking to
me and one of the ones from Oklahoma. There was a women in
the back seat holding an infant and she started asking me ?'s
too. She seemed very interested in what I had to say---I think
it was the women's daughter in the back seat. Anyways the women
in the front seat said we were causing the congregations problems
by being there and she was going to call an elder (can you
see me shaking LOL) so I told her to please do so---elders
don't scare me--LOL. Well, about 10min later another car pulls
up and a man gets out of the car. He told me I left my stuff(he
was standing by the front door pointing at the lamb and sign).
So, I told him I left it for him. He is on the cell phone the
whole time and the woman in the car gets out and starts pulling
the signs we had placed in the ground (we were going to leave
them there). She looked pissed off as hell--LOL. Some of the
signs said "Watchtower supports child abusers", "Jehovah's
Witnesses support pedophiles", "Support silent lambs",
etc. Well, before we they got the chance to throw us off the
property(LOL) we all got together at a Mexican restaurant down
the street---It was REALLY hot out and we needed to get something
to drink. I passed out every single flyer I had and I am going
to do it again cause it made me feel really good. That's all
folks and Valis will be posting pics later, I don't know if
he took pics when the dubs showed up---boy I hope so!!!! Love,
Jesika
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
15:00:12
Comments
THE Dallas press conference was posted on JW.com and I wanted
to post it here too. Love Jesika Thoman
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
15:23:14
Comments
This is for you, Nameless.... You think what you read here
on this site is so perverted and sickening, I wonder what perversion
in your heart keeps bringing you back? I will tell you what
true perversion is: It is when elders tell the parents of a
raped 5 year old girl that as she is no longer a virgin, she
is forever unacceptable to Jehovah. It is when elders tell
a beaten, battered wife that no matter what her husband tells
her to do, she must submit to his rule as he is Jehovah's servant.
This woman was beaten for refusing to give sexual services
to her husband's friends so she was beaten almost to death.
I could go on and on, but I would not want to be guilty of
'titillating' you. CJV, Ont. Can
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
16:36:41
Comments
It is just about time to dsf the Nameless. He is one of the
wolfs and senseless! My previous word to him is the last one.rmk
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
17:29:34
Comments
Hey, awesome idea to leave a silent lamb at some local Kingdom
halls after/before the walk.. or both times? With their presence
alone the silent lambs won't be so silent...:) Keep up the
awesome work everyone, striving to keep the Truth Alive~Thank
you, thank you, thank you... Hugs, Kathy
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
17:44:39
Comments
this comment is for the mole.. i hope you don't leave. i came
to this site when the news came out in dateline and i seen
your past writings and current. i am and will be upset at our
loss with you gone. the brothers in placerville now want me
removed as you predict if i spoke out, now the come each week
asking questions even sending a C.O. to my house. you were
right, he tested my faith and didn't hear my concerns. i refused
to go out in service not feeling good preaching about something
not sitting in my heart right. now they told me in our last
meeting that I'm not following the commandment of christ. ....the
brother that i mentioned who is an elder still sits on the
body of elders. i told all his dui's, cheating on his wife,
and assaults he committed but to no avail it meant nothing
and he still df's those who oppose him. mole sorry you are
discouraged but if you read this come back with more info.....to
the mole from a friend....brother in placerville, ashly w....
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
17:46:35
Comments
I left this cult and all of it's hypocrites 15 years ago. It
was the best thing I could have ever done. I thank my almighty
creator for the good and protection it gave me during the early
years of my life, but my God reveal their evil ways and I had
to leave. Your website is the best! I hope more people read
it. Jehovah's Witness do not want their members to find the
truth because they would leave this organization for good it
they did.
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
17:56:39
Comments
I left this cult and all of it's hypocrites 15 years ago. It
was the best thing I could have ever done. I thank my almighty
creator for the good and protection it gave me during the early
years of my life, but my God reveal their evil ways and I had
to leave. Your website is the best! I hope more people read
it. Jehovah's Witness do not want their members to find the
truth because they would leave this organization for good it
they did. I met some genuine loving people. But I met some
of the most evil immoral people of my life in that organization
who have never been punished by that group and remain in good
standing. If you have love for yourself and our creator do
not become a Jehovah's Witness. They will use. And You will
waste your life living the goals of someone else.' Nancy Jackson
LAThing@aol.com
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
17:57:21
Comments
I left this cult and all of it's hypocrites 15 years ago. It
was the best thing I could have ever done. I thank my almighty
creator for the good and protection it gave me during the early
years of my life, but my God reveal their evil ways and I had
to leave. Your website is the best! I hope more people read
it. Jehovah's Witness do not want their members to find the
truth because they would leave this organization for good it
they did. I met some genuine loving people. But I met some
of the most evil immoral people of my life in that organization
who have never been punished by that group and remain in good
standing. If you have love for yourself and our creator do
not become a Jehovah's Witness. They will use. And You will
waste your life living the goals of someone else.' Nancy Jackson
LAThingNancy@aol.com
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
18:39:59
Comments
Thank you for bringing that which was in darkness out to light.
Your courage and sacrifice will be one that will be remembered
by all, most of all by Jehovah God himself. Hold your heads
up high on Sept. 27th, and let the world see the dirty little
secrets the Watchtower hides! May Jah bless your efforts in
helping the littlest of His flock.
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
19:18:17
Comments
NANCY NARANJO; NEXT TO PERFECT ,why didn't the jews just wait
on god. because their leaders like the gb were full of them
selves.and like the fools in proverbs. refused reproof and
were happy in their folly!!and like prov. 4;19 in their darkness
they don,t see why they stumble ...jw defender ever read that
verse . it,s next to jw,s favorite for when they screw up????????
I've been confronting wt-ites in the field and , told by more
than 95% that the wt never prophecies the end of the world!!
is this what they teach you in the king-DUM hall!!!to LIE TO
HOUSE HOLDERS????????? JW DEFENDER WHY DON,T YOU MAKE EVEN
A BIGGER FOOL OF YOURSELF!!!!AND QUESTION SOME OF THE GREAT
POSTS WE BEEN READING..YOU NEVER HAD THE NERVE TO ANSWER ANY
OF THE EXCELENT QUESTIONS ,LEFT HERE FOR YOU EXPOSING THE WT
. YOU ONLY WANT TO SAY I,M MEAN,VIOLENT, ETC. WHEN YOU ACT
REASONABLE I WILL TREAT YOU THE SAME. !!
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
19:22:40
Comments
I DIDN,T SIGN ,SORRY I still have only one name and i don,t
answer my own posts.... P>S> a lot of great new lambs
around lately!!!freedom in christ for all........john
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
19:37:50
Comments
SLC; that's right the only thing i see is LOVE HERE.I LOVE MY
FELLOW MAN AND HATE PEOPLE WHO SCREW THE MEEKER ONES IN THIS
WORLD..I DON,T need to only speak about the silent lambs, i
tell all the lord has shown me. but I COME HERE FOR THE LAMBS
AND RIGHTISHNESS FOR ALL...I EVEN LOVE NO NAME. ONE DAY WHEN
HE GROWS UP , IN HIS PRAYERS HE WILL THANK ALL HERE FOR THE
LESSONS HE HAS LEARNED....I HAVE A FEELING IT,S NOT AS FAR
AWAY AS MANY THINK!!!!!!!!CHRISTIAn love ,,,,john
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
19:48:58
Comments
talking about LOVE !!!!!WERE,S OUR GIRL "SOAPBOX" HOPE
she gets her soap box back sooooooon!!!!!!!!i think i speak
for all here!!!!!!!!!!!!no signature required.....
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
20:17:14
Comments
SLC;;;OHHO HO OH HO HO!!!!!!!!!OH YOU CHITTY ,CHITTY "BANG-BANG" WE
LOVE YOU (JWS)---HI lo any way you go CHITTY-CHITTY ----"BANG!-BANG!" WE
(jws) FOLLOW YOU (fds) la ,LA,LA ,LAla . i still have the LP
RECORD ......WHO CAN FORGET THE GREAT BOOM! BOOM1 THAT CAME
OUT OF CHITTY,S EXHAUST AS THE MUSIC CAME TO AN END!!!!!!!!
GO AHEAD JW DEFENDERS TELL ME I,M SATAN , FOR POSTING THE "truth" your
gods sprit directed leader chosen over every man on earth
.to give the proper spiritual food at the proper time IS A HOMO!!!!!!!!!!JOHN
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
21:29:08
Comments
Remote User:
Date:
05 Sep 2002
Time:
21:36:32
Comments
This I believe is the purpose of this web site, As I see it,
Correct me if I am wrong; 1) To Give a place were sex abused
X-JW's or JW's can come for understanding and hopefully closure
(this Can and does Include other forms of WT Abuse) 2) To Have
a place were Changes To the GB's insane policy on reporting
child abuse can be organized and carried out. 3) To vent our
anger to those who would have a policy that would punish the
Lamb and Embrace the perpetrators. We want to feel free to
report abuse to the Police Without Guilt that we are bringing
reproach on the WTBTS to do so. Impossible. We think not. Because
of this God Given Mission were Kickin' Butt and Taking Names..
Our Kids & Future Kids are counting on us, We must succeed...NP
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Dear William... In your story you never mentioned whether or
not you still believe the Witnesses have the TRUTH or not.
Has the veil been lifted? I too was a JW for 28 years, I am
now 45. I have found freedom in Christ.I pray you have also.
Love...Robin Dyess
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I was going to reply to Nameless but after I read his/her posts
carefully I decided it was a complete waste of time. nan
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to bro in Placerville, i too have had problems in my hall,
it sounded like you have written many times here. what dates
have you written? I'm interested to know what happened. i have
read moles short messages and was enlighten this last month,
i will read more on mole the more months i go back. i wont
let the brothers in my hall bully me into doing something I'm
not comfortable with. i live in auburn california with my two
children and it scares me that i have been with this group
for over five years now and seen some things that really bring
to question if this group is being lead by holy spirit. if
creeps can rape and hurt children and no apology given it is
time to rethink my religion.. thanks placerville. mole i don't
know you but glad i read your stuff so far.-------tracy w.
in auburn
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Many years ago, when I was still stinging under the lash of
these elders who had cast me out of their presence and back
to a husband who used and severely abused me, I set out to
teach each one of them the error of their ways. I had already
learned more about the Bible than I had ever had the chance
to learn under the tutelage of the JW's.I had spent 6 months
with nothing but a copy of Strong's Concordance and the King
James Bible.The first to meet with me was my own father.(or
at least the man who raised me) I reminded him that the old
law had been abolished by Christ and he quite agreed. I then
asked him which of the ten commandments we no longer have to
keep? Oh, he says, we still keep them all. REALLY!! THEN WHY
DON'T YOU KEEP THE SABBATH? His jaw dropped and he tried to
tell me that he does keep it, but I pointed out that GOD'S
sabbath is on the 7th day, not the 1st. "Oh, well, time
has been lost" he floundered. Once time was lost, when
the Israelites were in Egypt, but God used the miracle of the
manna after he got them out into the desert. They got the message
or starved for a day.( Nehemiah 9, notably verse 14) The Sabbath
was a sign between God and Isreal...a perpetual covenant. (Exodus
31:16) I then pointed out the huge # of bible prophesies about
how God will mete out his wrath in the End Time BECAUSE YE
HAVE DEFILED MY SABBATH. So, I ask again, why do you not keep
the Sabbath? He got a sick headache and went home without answering
me. Next, an uncle . of course I waited a decent length of
time, so they'd forget. Uncle offered to have a Bible study
with me. I eagerly agreed that I would enjoy a BIBLE study.
A time was set up, and Uncle showed up with one of his stupid
little books. "What is this," I ask in feigned innocence. "This
is the book we will be studying," says he. NOW JUST HOLD
ON HERE! YOU PROMISED ME A BIBLE STUDY, NOT A BOOK STUDY! YOU
LIED YOUR WAY INTO MY HOME IN HOPES OF DUPING ME INTO SOMETHING
I NEVER WOULD HAVE AGREED TO!! GET OUT, LIAR!! Oh but that
felt GOOD! No wonder they began to call me "demonized"!!
I laid low for several months, then one day I hopped into a
taxi that happened to be driven by one of my tormenting elders!!
God must have put that one into my hands because what happened
next was priceless!! He never even looked at me, so he never
knew it was me until it was too late. Lying on the seat beside
him, was an open copy of a Penthouse magazine!! He had been
reading it when I approached the car, and put it down to drive
me to my destination. So, just as we arrived, I casually asked, "WHEN
DID THE WATCHTOWER BIBLE AND TRACT SOCIETY BEGIN TO PRINT PORNOGRAPHY?" He
snapped out of his trance in one hell of a hurry! He looked
like I had just BRANDED HIM WITH A HOT IRON. I got out of the
cab, and went to pay the man for my taxi fare, but he burned
rubber out of there, so the ride was free. I stood there laughing,
waving the money at him as he sped off. Later, that same elder
accused my younger brother of having sex with me. I guess he
thought it would take some of the heat off him to spread a
lie about me. I just laughed, but my brother was pretty hurt
. Anyhow, just thought you'd enjoy my experience at payback.
CJV Ont, Can
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Harvey, You and I go way back. Our families have been friends
for years. I am currently disfellowshipped and have been wanting
to talk to you for a long time. I am truly sorry about what
your daughter experienced. I am not enclosing my name (my parents
are elderly and I don't want to cause them any pain) you can
contact me at kmykr@aol.com. I am not contacting you as an
ex-jw or a bitter person, just as an old friend. If you think
back to lots of snow in MO and sliding down hills when we were
teenagers I think you may remember who I am. Hope to here from
you.
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Hi, I'm a College Student. My girlfriend and I have been following
your cause for quite awhile. We agree that pedophiles need
to be reported to the proper author ties and do hope all of
you find some type of closure to all of this. I'm studying
to go into some type of social work(I might change) while my
girlfriend would like to pursue journalism (good luck). We
have some questions and would like to get some thoughts about
them. I hope some of you will be so kind to help us. I think
we have missed something. We understand the situation and some
of the stories are very touching. Let's say that the Watchtower
higher-ups did decide to change the policy, Is there any guarantee
that all Jehovah's Witnesses will follow it? The reason for
the question:We have noticed that rules and even the simplest
rules have been made throughout the centuries and do people
in general ever follow them? My Girlfriend had a Jehovah Witnesses
pamphlet showing how many members they have present. You can
make the rules but all of them are not going to follow it.
We also heard in the news that there were going to be a lawsuit
against these higher-ups for creating these laws. Would that
be kind of a gray area so to speak since these higher-ups wasn't
the ones that actually molested the victims? Like I stated
there might be some things that we have missed. If that could
be cleared up we would appreciate it. We both hope all the
victims will find some type of closure to this awful situation.
Sincerely, College Student and Another College Student
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To Nameless, You are right many here ar DA or Df'd. I have
a question for you. How old do you feel a person has to be
to get married? That is to make the right decision since they
will be spending the rest of their life with someone? 18? 20?
25? How come it is then that the organization let me at 12
make a decision (getting Baptized) that will affect them the
rest of their life? At that age you only know what your parents
have taught you and you want to please them. Was I at 12 mature
enough to know the magnitude of my decision? I had never even
studied other religions, had not had much experience at all
with the real world and had been living in the protective "bubble".
I chose to leave on my own accord when I was 17 because of
issues I was facing at home. No I was not your normal teenager.
Straight A's, aux. pioneered all summer, held regular talks
and was a 'model' for all young girls at our hall. My mother
was a regular pioneer and my step father a PO. I would be a
totally different person had I not been raised a jw and I am
thankful I was. I look at things differently know and keep
my eyes open wider. However, why should I be judged for a decision
I made when I was 12, a baby, and did not know any better.
I have made my peace with God and have a very good life. I
am 30 with a wonderful family. The funny thing is I am the
happiest one out of my brothers & sisters (there were 6
of us) and I am the only one who left. I have have more than
one of them secretly tell me they have doubts and one even
stopped praying and cried when I encouraged her to do it saying "What
would everyone say knowing my df'd sister is the one who made
me feel good enough to pray again?" My point is, many
of us are being judged in a wrong way. I have studied my bible
repented for my wrong doings and am sure I will meet God in
heaven one day. Hopefully you will see if you pray hard and
look deep that finding a religion that is "close" to
the bible isn't good enough. "The kingdom of god is in
YOU" not a kingdom hall. Jenn
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hello my name is ISAIAS GOMES . I LIVE IN PORTUGAL END I LIKE
VERY MACTH .
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06 Sep 2002
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To College Students: These higher ups as you call then HAVE
actually molested the little ones. By their policy of protecting
the molesters, they sacrifice more and more little ones every
day. Perhaps you should READ the rest of the sites here before
you judge that which you do not know. Those who tell are effectively
and efficiently SHUT UP so that the next victim will be taken
unaware. You do not know what you are speaking about. Educate
yourself, my college student friend. When your eyes have opened,
come back and let us know. CJV Ont, Can
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06 Sep 2002
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Last night, I saw a piece on the local news about "silentlambs." I
immediately called my best friend, and we cried and cried.
Having been raised as JW's, we can relate to the pain so many
are feeling on this issue. I can name at least 5 girls, myself
included, who were abused in our congregation. What is sad
is that it is the main reason I and the others left the organization.
Had we not been told to that it was our fault for various reasons,
we'd probably all still be members. Through several years of
counseling, I and my best friend have dealt with it. Some were
not so fortunate. We all deal with the scars every day, my
faith has been shook to its core. Elders are not professionals,
they are JW ministers, having no formal education beyond what
the society has taught them to do on these matters. I wish
parents of victims would realize that. A "wordly" professional
counselor is better than an untrained, unprofessional elder.
AM, Seattle, WA amtmhj@hotmail.com
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06 Sep 2002
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TO: College Student and Another College Student .RE . Like
I stated there might be some things that we have missed. .
. There is a major point that you have missed. It is the effect
of shunning on the life of Jehovah's Witness. I can understand
that for a person would is not a member this would be difficult
or impossible to understand. As an experiment, tomorrow pretend
that EVERY person who is your friend or is a family member
acts like you do not exist. Tomorrow your own mother WILL NOT
speak to you, your sister will NOT take your phone calls, if
you meet your best friend at the grocery store she will look
right thru you. NO ONE loves you, NO one cares, you are all
alone. Now pretend you know about or have been a victim of
sexual abuse and if you tell the POLICE or the other members
you WILL be punished. This is a quiet unwritten policy but
it uses the effect of PEER PRESSURE and SHUNNING to achieve
the results. Now go to this OFFICIAL WATCHTOWER site and read
about disfellowshipping. They are very proud of their policy.
Pretend every word applies to YOU because you want to tell
the TRUTH about a Child molester in your hall. http://www.jw-media.org/vnr/2122827332/311131isdn.htm
. . . Read this http://www.watchtower.org/library/w/1988/4/15/article_01.htm
. . . And then with this background information come back and
ask me some questions regarding policy chances. Sincerely,
Nan (Nancy Naranjo)
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06 Sep 2002
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As a semi-active JW....in the past 3 mo. I have gone from active
to semi-active...I too disagree with allowing 12 yr.olds to
get baptized. How in the world do they know what they want
to dedicate their lives to? As a parent, I wouldn't allow my
12 yr. old to be baptized. I think some parents feel that if
they get baptized early then it will keep them from straying
but actually what usually happens is when they reach their
teens, they do something to get df'd, then you have to deal
with that issue. But it looks good for the cong. and the organization
to have 'another one baptized.' And it makes parents feel that
their child will now be spared during Armageddon AND they have
done a good job of teaching their child the 'truth' because
he/she is now BAPTIZED...wrong motives, people, wrong motives,
and our children pay the price. Well, I'll get off my 'soapbox'
and let the real 'soapbox' stand up. :)) Spokane 2 jazbug55@aol
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I am still driving to the library to do my work - they give
me an hour only, so the last couple of trips I did not get
on line at all .....do not know how to retrieve email. The good
news is I will have a computer next week at home - insurance
paid for me spilling the wine - I feel guilty!!! I have been
out collecting lambs at garage sales last weekend - I have
one for John - a musical lamb that plays Jesus Loves Me....I
hope you are all okay! I worry and think about Linda, Loris,
Bonnielyn, Cheerleader and of course John - and everyone else
- I will have big catch up - to do. Work is too stressful and
I am taking a week off to try and regroup. Mediacom gave me
an address to pick up my email - I am going to try, but I haven't
picked up my email in two weeks. Love, Claudine aka soapbox.
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TO. . . AM, Seattle, WA and other survivors. You have suffered
so much and you have been silent to protect THEM so NOW if
you can do it . . . . . . . …..speak up …..email
editors ……TO EVERYONE ELSE>>>>>LET'S
MARCH SEPT 27th … . . . … Silence and shame protected
the Catholic Church and one of its dirtiest secrets for years.
And church officials made the right assumption: If you can't
see it, no one will believe it is happening and, more importantly,
victims who are shamed and controlled will be quiet, silenced
by a sense of complicity and sin. What if all those alleged
male sexual assault survivors who went on “60 Minutes” and “20/20” had
their faces covered with a gray dot? What if no newspapers
or magazines had been willing to publish their names? How much
credibility or validity or power can you have when you have
no face and no name? Would the public have believed these things
had happened if faces had not been attached to the charges?
http://www.artvoice.com/august15_august21_2002/pages/coverstory.html
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Please get in touch with me. I had been abused since I was
8 years old. Mostly sexually. It makes me want to cry for those
who are still being abused. Honestly, I thought it was just
me. I have pretty much been away from it in my adult years.
My Mom remained a JW until she died in March. You can't imagine
how it feels to find a site like this. I no longer feel alone.
dancingmoonlite@aol.com
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To CJV Ont Can>>>>> YOU GO GIRL!!!!!! I've been
sitting here reading your posts, and I'm floored! I'm so proud
of you for roaring!!! You hang in there, it's gonna get better!
We will not be silenced ever again, and DAMN it feels good!!!
Linda Thoman
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To Claudine....Just wanted to reply to your post. I'm doing
just fine, no need to worry about me. This Lamb has grown CLAWS!
I'm roaring as loud as any LION could! Jesika, me, and several
others had a blast the other night making up the signs for
the press conference here in Dallas and preparing the flyers
being distributed, etc. I've been copying these flyers and
have been putting them out everywhere I go! You should see
my car!!!! I have the flyer taped on my side windows for everyone
to read, wherever I go. I also made up another one that says,
Jehovah's Witnesses Protect Pedophiles, that is right next
to the other ones. Lots of people have stayed right along with
me while driving to read it, and I've seen people reading them
while my car is parked, etc. See, this girl is roaring!!! I've
been talking today with a reporter for the Dallas Morning News,
and she's been visiting this site and compiling her information
for the article/piece they plan to do soon. So you see, I'm
doing just fine. hehehehe Linda Thoman
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Hey JAYSON! How's it going? I finally had a chance to check
the guestbook and just thought I'd say hello. Hi John, Hi Claudine,
Hi John, Hi "country girl", and everyone else I know
here. "I feel good, na na na na na na na"!!! LOL
(James Brown for you youngins) Linda Thoman Linthoman@hotmail.com
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<
WOW!!!!!> 9 people attended the Dallas press conference.
What a turnout! The propaganda machine is really rolling hard
for you guys now. Just think, 9 people in a city of what, 2
or 3 Million? That has got to work out to at least a .0000000001%
Ratio!!! With all the press conferences around the US that
big Billy had planned, I bet you at least 50 showed up! Keep
up the good work at exposing the evil JW's. Now I know what
the "silent" part in silent lambs means. It means
that in the big picture such a minority of complainers with
a chip on their shoulders really don't have much of a voice,
you are and will be silenced even further!Stay tuned for details. <***Trollman***> RJ
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WOW!!!JESIKA; SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAD A GREAT DAY .WITNESSING FOR
GOD AND EXPOSING A FALSE CHRIST.. WOW!!! THE JW,S GOT PISSED
OFF!!!!!WHAT HAPPENED . TO THE FRUITS OF THE SPRIT!!!!!JW,S
LOVE TO DISH IT OUT. FUNNY HOW THEY CAN,T TAKE IT!!!!!!!!!
wow!!!!you have just given most here real joy in their hearts!!!!i
can,t put i words how proud i am of ya'll ..get ready all the
jw defenders are going to bash you......john
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Does anyone know for a fact that the WBTS has changed its policy
on reporting child abuse to now reporting it to the Police,
if so I would like to read the letter instructing the Elders
to do so, I need to see it in writing if it does in fact exist,or
if this is smoke and mirrors from Brown. Has anyone found this
letter, I know Elders will not change there policy unless it
is sent to them in writing...NP
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06 Sep 2002
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RJ, I was going to explain to you in simple terms but basically
my only thought is your an ass and I believe probably a pervert
or you would understand the seriousness of pedophilia and the
harm a pedophile does to a child. If only one voice speaks
to let others know then that is great. This subject has been
taboo to long and hidden. Pull your head out and begin to feel
for others Sheila M
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06 Sep 2002
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To Jeskika, Claudine and the new ones that have posted: You
guys are so great for speaking up stay strong Peace Sheila
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When I was driving home the other day I noticed a group of
union workers picketing a local factory. They were complaining
about low wages and supposed bad work conditions. I read many
of their sign which told of their complaints against the company.
Some said "we work for a sweatshop" others said "I'd
rather be homeless than work for peanuts" I though to
myself...man it must be really bad there. When I got home I
turned on the news and there was a story about this particular
unions cause. The reporter stated how the workers wanted a
raise from 16.00 to 18.00 an hour. Then I said what!!! 16.00
an hour for working in an air conditioned factory with full
health benefits! I make $14.40 an hour with benefits and I
was tickled to death with it. I then found myself not feeling
so sorry for them and feeling more sorry for myself. When driving
by the protesters they would rant and rave, flash their signs,
yell at passing cars etc. I then though about how silly this
made them look. What a bunch of wackos! After actually hearing
the truth about their conditions at work it made me laugh at
them. Their crazy antics of marching and holding up signs etc.
only made them a laughing stock of passerby. What is the moral
of this story? Well you see my dear friends you are the wackos!
You think that by holding up signs and prancing around with
stuffed animals you are helping your cause. What you don't
realize is that when people see such antics they just simply
think you are another dissatisfied wacko! It does nothing
to further your cause. It does just the opposite. So keep planning
your marches with stuffed animals, keep making homemade signs
that look really professional, keep shouting at passerby and
picking fights with people you don't even know and then maybe
the next time a press conference is call in Dallas maybe 10
people will show up instead of 9. <***TROLLMAN***> RJ
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Sheila the only ass in here is none other than yourself! I
have accomplished my purpose. Think about it! <***TROLLMAN***> RJ
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I have just read some of the stories on the Abused Lambs and
Battered Lambs - they are heartbreaking - I feel for every
single one of you and my heart goes out to you. The "brothers" act
a bit like the Freemasons or the gentlemen's club portrayed
in The Stepford Wives films and that is how they expect women
to behave (like Stepford Wives). I read an article written
in the Awake or Watchtower which said that we have smaller
brains than men - ha ha very funny - I am a member of Mensa
with an IQ of 133 - I wonder how many brothers (with larger
brains) can beat that!!! After all, most "brothers" hold
down pretty menial jobs in worldly terms. Also, if it wasn't
for the sisters JWs would be down three-quarters on their numbers!
Jan, UK
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06 Sep 2002
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Sheila the only ass in here is none other than yourself! I
have accomplished my purpose. Think about it! <***TROLLMAN***> RJ
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By the way Sheila since you are so good at making accusations
directed at me i.e.,"you are probably a pervert" Are
you a lesbian? Have a good weekend end Shelia! <***TROLLMAN***> RJ
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cjv love how you find it so easy to make lairs out of jw,s
and make them go into full zombie mode!!! i find it doing the
lords work, to watch jw,s stumble ,and break the commandment
not to lie!!!!!the only WAY to protect a false god is to lie!!!!it
is taught non stop in the kingDUM HALL!!!!!NO NAME I WROTE
YOU A BEAUTIFUL POST ,BUT I LOST IT ON MY COMPUTER!!I HAVE
NEVER USED THE TRUE GOD,S NAME IN VAIN...YOUR GOD IS A DIFFERENT
STORY!!!!MY GOD SPEAKS TO ME ONLY THROUGH HIS INSPIRED WORD!!!!YOUR
GOD SPEAKS TO YOU FROM BROOKLYN!!!IN EVER CHANGING BELIEFS!!!MY
GOD DON,T CHANGE, OR TACK IN THE WIND. HIS WORD IS SET IN STONE.
GOD DOESN,T HAVE NEW LIGHT. THE TRUE GOD DON,T SEND CHILD MOLESTERS
PUSHING WT SLAVERY DOOR TO DOOR...THE TRUE GOD DON,T TELL VICTIMS
IF THEY GO TO THE GOD APOINTED LAW OF THE LAND. THAT HE WILL
DESTROY THEM...IT,S JUST THE OPPISITE. OYU SAY YOU WERE ABUSED,
I WONDER HOW MANY OTHERS THIS GREAT JW ABUSED!!!!EVERY TIME
YOU POST IT,S YOU WHOP IS USING THE TRUE GOD,S NAME I VAIN.
BY SAYING ANYTHING TO PROTECT THE WT. WHEN JW,S DO THAT THEY
ARE IN FACT MAKING THE WT THEIR GOD!!!!!!I TRUELY THINK YOU
SEE THE WT IS NOT WHAT THEY SAY THEY ARE. I THINK MANY HERE
CAN SEE THAT YOU ARE SITTING ON THE FENCE...THE BIBLE SAYS
JESUS DIED TO FREE ALL, HE DIED FOR OUR SINS BECAUSE GOD LOVED
US ALL HE WANTS ALL TO BE WITH HIM FOREVER.WE ARE ALL SONS
OF ABRAHAM .ALL YOU NEED IS THE NEVER CHANGING ONE. NOT SOME
CHURCH OR HOUSE OF WORSHIP. SET UP BY MAN...IT,S SO VERY SIMPLE
WHEN ONE TRUELY REACHES SPRITUAL MATURITY IT BECOMES VERY PLAIN....I
KNOW I,M ALL READY SAVED. IT,S A FREE GIFT. THE GOSPEL SAYS
SO!!!!I KNOW I SIN BUT THERE,S ONLY ONE WHO DIED FOR ME!!AND
IT,S JESUS I WILL NOT FOLLOW ANY OTHER MAN!!!THE WT DOES NOTHING
BUT DRAG PEOPLE DOWN WITH THEIR YOKE OF RULES AND GUILT TRIPS.
ON THE OTHER HAND JESUS UP LIFTS ALL IN FAITH AND JOY IN HIS
SACRAFICE IN DEATH . PLEASE JUST READ A BIBLE (NOT THE NWT)
THAT,S WHY IT WAS PRINTED. TO BRING ALL TO GOD , THERE IS NO
OTHER BOOK REQUIRED...JOHN
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06 Sep 2002
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17:38:52
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Who feeds you people and where do you get all of this time?
Go out, get a job, get a life! losers...
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06 Sep 2002
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18:05:37
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CJV YOU ARE RIGHT .COLLEGE STUDENT NEEDS MORE JW EDUCATION.
IT,S HARD TO EXPLAIN TO WORLDLY PEOPLE. I THINK THE SOFT TOUCH
WORKSN BETTER WITH SO CALLED WORLDLY ONES. AS WE EXPLAIN MORE
AND MORE. IT'S NOT HARD TO GET THROUGH TO THEM, AS THEY HAVE
OPEN MINDS. AND ARE NOT UNDER MIND CONTROL. ALL WE NEED IS
TO STATE THE FACTS TO THE PUBLIC IN GENERAL IN TIME THEY WILL
GET THE PICTURE....SAVE THE BASHING FOR MIND CONTROLED ZOMBIES!!!!!JOHN
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06 Sep 2002
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18:53:15
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RJ Your illustration of workers picketing for higher wages
is inappropriate illogical and frankly just very stupid. There
is no doubt as far as I can see that you are one of the serving
DOGS of the WT Criminals. You sound like a complete Moron.RMK
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06 Sep 2002
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18:53:55
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TROLL MAN, I have a hard time understanding your objectives.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . It seems to be---THANK GOODNESS no one knows
what is happening in the congregations. You continually point
out the lack of media concern, you make fun of Connie Chung's
name (which I assume is prejudice against Asians) today you
are busily poking fun at the Press Conferences. . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. So, Troll man, let's examine the facts: There are 281.4
million Americans according to the 2000 census. There are 64
million Catholics. So more than 1 in five American's
are Catholic and if I recall correctly it has taken almost
20 years for the Catholic Church to receive much coverage on
the Sex Abuse Scandal. Who is next on the list of large religions:
Southern Baptist Convention, United Methodist Church, Church
of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Evangelical Lutheran
Church in America, Church of God in Christ, you won't
find Jehovah's Witnesses until number 24. . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. Jehovah's Witnesses make up less than 1 in 281 Americans.
Now that might keep them busy in field service but it doesn't
spell a lot of media interest. However, since May 28 and Dateline's
airing there has been a major press story approximately every
10 days. Today the Seattle area in particular received plenty
of press. It might be good to remember that the Louisville
Courier-Journal had the courage to break the McCarthy Era Tyranny.
But back to YOUR OBJECTIVES: It isn't protecting the
children, it isn't a desire for justice, and it is simply
a malicious mocking attack on the victims. Keep it up, it shows
the world what kind of people Jehovah's Witnesses are
deep inside. And if you need a name to rant and rave at------------use
mine: Nancy Naranjo
Remote User:
Date:
06 Sep 2002
Time:
19:07:40
Comments
RJ' You accomplished nothing here. Just wasted your time.
the page is functioning just fine. We continue pursuing the
WT Criminals with more passion and efficiency than ever before.
The Silent Lambs are pursuing WT GB with their claims through
Courts and the WT is loosing money and prestige if they ever
had any. It is going to be much worse before God gives it the
final blow. God is not with you and the WT Society is condemned
by Jehovah since before the creation of the world as a False
Prophet. You accomplished nothing except showed us that we must
continue to protect those that were hurt and prevent hurting
those that do not know who you are yet.rmk
Remote User:
Date:
06 Sep 2002
Time:
20:03:21
Comments
RJ- (No hidden meaning I hope that you can read this and accept
it at face value.) I have learned much from yours and other
posts. After being so ruthlessly attacked by the JW's in my
family it has been hard to regain my spiritual equilibrium...“Blessings
in Disguise.” by Emily Matthews…..The world is
full of miracles to those who recognize them, but we have to
look the right way since God sometimes will disguise them.
He shines his light in places where we'd least expect
Him to, And often does the opposite of what we think He'll
do….He has a way of bringing out the best within the
worst. The moment we stop worrying and chose to put him first,
and if we do He'll pull us through and help us find the
door. That very thing we'd been looking for. Sometimes
things are hard to understand, but I believe that your faith
will see you through. Please know that my thoughts and prayers
are with you.-Jayson
Remote User:
Date:
06 Sep 2002
Time:
20:46:24
Comments
RJ ; WHAT ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS AND THE MINUMIUM WAGE.THE WT ALWAYS
PRINTS HOW PEOPLE ARE SLAVES OR INDENTURED SERVENTS TO A MASTER.
HOW MUCH DOES A BETHALITE GET A MONTH I KNOW FOR FACT UP TILL
10 YRS AGO IT WAS $14 A MONTH THEN THE GB GOT NEW LIGHT . THE
SLAVES GOT A RAISE TO $20 ha HAHA I KNOW THEY GET FREE ROOM
AND BROAD. WHAT DOES THAT COST THE WT.I HAVE GOTTEN ROOM AND
BOARD LAST YR. FOR $100 A WEEK . IN THE REAL WORLD WITH TAXS
AND ALL. I WOULD SAY IT COST THE WT $50 A WEEK TO ROOM AND
BOARD BETHELITES.AND NOW I HERE THEY GET $100 A MONTH.... NOW
LETS DO THE MATH 40-50 A WEEK IN A HOT NOISEY SWEATSHOP!!PLUS
MANATORY FIELD SERV. IN ALL PARTS OF NEW YORK. WHAT IS IT 2-3-
DAYS A WEEK ANDF THEY HAVE TO PAY THERE OWN TRANSIT FARES.....
AT LEAST 10 -$20 A WEEK!!!!WITH REQUIRED FIELD SERV. AND WORK
IN THE FACTORY YOU ARE TALKING AT LEAST 60 HRS A WEEK TIMES
THAT 4 A MONTH YOU GET @240 A MONTH ...AT $100 PAY PLUS @$200
FOR ROOM AND BOARD IS $300 DIVIDE THAT BY 240 HOURS A MONTH
AND YOU GET A GRAND TOTAL!!!!!!!!!!!OF ??????????$1.25 AN HOUR!!!!!!!!!!!CHANGE
THE NUMBERS AROUND AND YOU CAN,T DO BETTER THAN $2.00 AN HOUR.
AGAIN I CAN ALSO FIND .75 CENTS AN HOUR. FOR AN ORG. THAT IS
NO PART OF THIS WORLD AND MAKES BILLIONS A YEAR ON WALL STREET
AND MILLIONS A WEEK OFF THEIR MAGIZINES, AND CHARGES LOCAL
KINGDUM HALLS INTREST ON THE LOANS TO BUILD NEW KINGDUM HALLS
ETC. AND TELL THE BROTHERS TO DIG DEEP AND FILL THE CONTRABUTION
BOXES .AT ASSEMBLIES AND HALLS ETC. I HAVE HEARD THIS MANY
TIMES WITH MY OWN EARS..... HOW CAN THE WT PRINT HOW PEOPLE
IN SOUTH AMERICA ARE GETTING SCREWED FOR ONLY GETTING PAYED
A DOLLAR AN HOUR. FOR SOME BIG COMPANY , WHEN THE WT DOES THE
SAME IN THE UNITED STATES THAT HAVE LAWS AGAINST SLAVERY !!!!!!!!!!
GO AHEAD RJ AND NOW HOW THEY ARE VOLENTEERS FOR YOUR MONEY
HUNGRY INCORPORATION- I MEAN GOD ORG. IN BROOKLYN THE WT SCREWED
MORE PEOPLE THEN .....ENRON CORP,,,,,I,M ALL OVER YOU LIKE
A CHEAP JW SUIT THE WT MAKES YOU WEAR TO TRY TO MAKE YOU LOOK
RESPECTABLE... ..........TRY TO BULL ALL HERE WITH ONE OF YOUR
BRAIN DEAD ANSWERS TO THIS!!!!!!!!!GROW UP AND BE A MAN??????????JOHN
Remote User:
Date:
06 Sep 2002
Time:
21:04:44
Comments
To John and especially to College Students...It is true that
I reacted with anger instead of love when I answered your post.
I am sorry. Of course it is so hard for others to understand
the impossible situation we are put in. Freedom is speech is
so fundamental, especially in North America. For us, that freedom
did not exist. We were cut off, and considered dead. (Dead
men & women tell no lies. They don't tell the truth either.
You can't hear the voices of the dead) The very ones who should
have been loving us would not even see us if they passed us
on the street.We didn't know anyone else, because we had been
cut off from the world while in the church. So we truly were
alone. The true God stayed with me, and sent angels to bear
me up, and I eventually came to know how truly BLESSED I am
to be among the 'dead', for in death I have found eternal life
with my Saviour, Jesus Christ. This does not mean I don't still
get angry when I think of other girls (and boys) who are even
now going through the hell that I did at the hands of JW's.
Anyway, I apologize for my outburst, and hope you will not
give up in your search for truth in all things. Thank you John
for gently pointing out my error. Love to all...even Trollman.
CJV Ont Can
Remote User:
Date:
06 Sep 2002
Time:
21:05:48
Comments
WAIT A MINUTE*************ALL SILENT LAMBS HERE &&&&&&&&&& NO
NAME @@@@@@@@@@HAS FOUND US ALL OUT ?????? WE ARE NOW ALL HOMOSEXUALS
...AND WE 'RE MOLESTING CHILDREN .....IN FACT THIS SITE IS
TO CONSEAL HOW WE PROTECT EACH OTHER IN OUR RAPE OF JW'S ...NO
NAME YOU ARE TOOOOO!!!!SMART FOR US?????JOHN
Remote User:
Date:
06 Sep 2002
Time:
21:25:42
Comments
Linda- I am doing good. And thank you very much for asking.-Jayson
Remote User:
Date:
06 Sep 2002
Time:
21:29:47
Comments
RJ, No I don't think I am, at least my husband of 20 years
seems more than happy with me. TSK TSK Did I get to close to
your real problem>....To answer your question logically
someone that is lesbian or gay has a sexual orientation it does
not make them a pervert or in clinical terms dear RJ(AKA ASS)
a pedophile. Again you have no concept of the reality of the
situation, only ignorant asses would laugh at people exercising
their RIGHT IN AMERICA to pick it or protest. So again you
have proven that your have your head placed somewhere where
it's very dark and the light of intelligent thought can't get
in. As I said your an ass RJ and you keep proving my point
Sheila M
Remote User:
Date:
06 Sep 2002
Time:
21:37:05
Comments
John, Hey do you think RJ is mad because he only make $14.40
an hour, hmmm must be an unskilled laborer. LOL Funny I'm going
to school to further my education but I haven't worked for
under $15.00 for YEARS and I am in my late thirties. Hmmm May
BEEEEEE he is mad because the fast food industry doesn't appreciate
him LOL Well, John Trolls never learn huh LOL I told my husband
RJ thinks I'm a lesbian LOL He is laughing his butt off ....
Tolls in Tolkien get turned to stone I wonder what will happen
to our Troll LOL Sheila M
Remote User:
Date:
06 Sep 2002
Time:
21:44:55
Comments
Remote user 14:38:52 Hmm Well most of us work and for myself
and my hubby we own our own business, he has finished his first
novel and I am attending school working on a novel myself.
So hmmm we seem to have a life but take time for venting the
anger that is still there from over a zillion years in a cult.
GEE, would your rather we drank or drugged our way into oblivion
or come here to try to vent and heal??? Peace Sheila M
Remote User:
Date:
06 Sep 2002
Time:
21:45:02
Comments
i couldn't help but repost this again. it was so lovely of true
heart. Hey mole, this was great. a gift from tracy wallace
of auburn. I was in love with an older man and my family threaten
to shun me if i dated him. TJS of sacto if you see this hi.
mole this is beautiful, everyone read this! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ***Requiem
of a jehovah's witness family***** In the past years it has
come to a boiling point for all our family of certain things
that exist and will permeate all facets of our lives even more
so than now. As things progress our family has digressed to
a nature that cannot be labeled but only explained. As the
years pass and the Matriarch of the family grows older our
families last and only adhesive will soon be gone. It is my
fear as one of the only of two in our family who can pass on
our legacy, will dissipate as soon as our beloved mother and
my Grandma leaves us. I grieve everyday of what I see as a
so called family especially labeled as a True Christian family
to come to so much defiance and lying that it can only be described
as sickening. Many complain and has chosen sides of a battle
field no one knows the boundaries or the war. Is what I say
wrong or do we as people, family, and true Christians see the
glass walls we have chosen? As the oldest grandson but also
the last son of Grandma as she feels, She has nothing to offer
me such as material things only the wealth of loving me for
whom I am as a person and to give counsel in her own loving
way. Whether I take it or not she tells me it's my free
choice and using the wisdom she has taught me to make my way
while all along all of you have lived your lives and ignored
her going against the very scripture you preach door to door.
But what I have seen of the family has grieved me so, to the
point to right this letter to all members of our family. I
shall try to stay objective and stay true, so forgive me if
I have offend you but all must know and read what I have to
say and make your own conclusion. First the taking of sides
not knowing the whole facts, Little Mikey's wedding the
most important day of his life, NOT one of our family MEMBERS
ever used their free choice of conscience of will. Was it not
Aunt Carmen and Uncle Mike who suggested to everyone not to
show and made such a scandal of it to embarrass the family
itself? Why were members in her family who are Jehovah's
Witnesses attend and give gifts and excepted Little Mikey as
a brother and family member? Even I was under threat and was
accused of being rebellious if I attend. What is interesting
is that Mikey was not disfellowshipped? So why where told not
to attend his wedding because his wife was worldly? I thought
if you borrowed some money you paid it back whether or not
you're worldly or a Jehovah's Witness. Any worldly
person knows that, yet we posses the mental capabilities to
forget so quickly and ask for money only to give the song and
dance of why you cant pay yet in your same breath you accuse
those in the Kingdom Hall spiritually weak if they use the same
excuses not to pay back. My dad has the power to take away
a home and yet he holds back in fear of only one thing, keeping
his family and friends close. So why deprive of him of his
friends and family. Once an agreement is signed that's
it, right? I have always liked Ashley and felt some mutual
bond with him so its nothing personal, but the fact is the
fact, if you owe and signed the dotted lines your ass is in
the sling. Now here is the kicker. We have an elder in our
mist that was seen with another woman and was drunk at a bar.
This elder asks an individual who walked in hours later to
cover his story or get an ass kicking. Is it true? I was threatened
when he came to my home. I want to know does this elder and
so-called brother of the faith have the love to pay back the
$2,000.00 loan for his bail for the D.U.I. or can he say not?
But he can accuse and point a finger to wrong doers within
his eyesight and no one will question his motives for doing
so. Is it the boy who cried wolf in Uncle Dan's case when he
yells apostate to his brother? Should we keep the pitchforks
and torches ready each night for the crucifixion? We are civilized,
yet we act no better then Spanish inquisitors of 1600's.
Uncle your words and actions are your own damnation. Keep your
accusation for your own grave none of the living care. Another
thing, I was told that my daughter is being corrupted for using
E-net and E-mail and it is the work of Satan. Yes, this is
what I was told and headhunters came to my home investigating
such allegations. Are we now to cower when something new comes
out? Fear of the new brings questionings, to be labeled apostate
if your small minds don't understand. Do I live in Salem
in fear of being accused of a witch? Uncle could send his minions
to do his bidding to search out guilt, so then it must be that
we are guilty first? Is it not we are innocent first? Well,
what can we say, get the stake and nails, we will moan after
the fact, right? Your actions as a family for doing nothing
are proof enough of the vile and septic mentality in which
we glory ourselves as Jehovah's slaves. My family is the a
good example of being a false Lover of Christ teachings. Family
unity now is further away than before. Can we say in 10 or
20 years from now that any of us or family members will even
now each other, or are we condemned to walk past each other
not knowing who the other is. Are we to drive away our blood
for strangers who come and go throughout our lives? All we
have is but us, Jehovah blessed families who where unified
not divided. Uncle Sammy and I are the only ones to pass on
our names. I have begged the family at the gatherings I attended
and subtly asked where did Grandpa's stuff go. What hurts
the most is that those who have it won't share it. Even
one of our family members evicted from his home didn't
call anyone to come and get grandpa's yard tools. Yet
it was left to go to the dump. This was the family love that
our organization taught then it would be better to be a catholic,
what's the difference from one liar to another? Sam and me have
but our stories to tell and nothing to show. While all of you
where gone, it was Sammy, Grandpa and me who would go together
and do things. Yet family members took stuff not thinking of
that proud legacy he left for our name. None of you appreciated
his love, sweat and blood he put into his land or you would
have seen it as an investment not a rattrap. Telling grandma
to burn down the house and get the insurance money. Shame on
you for the words told to Grandma during her grief. I remember
it all or has all of you purposely hidden it deep within. Another
example of christian honesty and love isn't it? When Grandma
dies we will all drift away, I have Aunt Rose's strong
will and Uncle Dan's power to fight and won many victories,
but I miss my Aunt Margie, she was compassionate and understanding.
She would be so disappointed in all of you for she strived
in family unity not the chaos we have now. She may not have
approved of my life's past but she would have not judged
me either knowing that it is up to a much higher power to do,
not Danny or some unknown elder. When Grandma goes, are you
so sure you will see her again? Is it loud public praises that
will save you? Is it that you got 100 hours in service or that
you never missed a talk? Is it not love that Christ commanded
that supercedes any law? Now already Lines have been drawn
for the next wedding or family event, on who's coming
and who is not speaking with whom. Can we as a family maintain
some unity no matter what differences each of us has? We are
so small that we cannot even get together to find out how the
other is doing or are regulations of men much deeper than love
of your sister or brother because a member is on public reproof
or married to a worldly woman? Is it really so hard to come
down from your mountain to visit your mother, give a kind gesture,
a simple visit to a forgotten family member? Attempts to cheat
one another are the most humorist act I've seen yet,
and we are family. I sometimes think it's better to deal
with a worldly person. We have used have in our family cheaters
that would probably put car salesman out of business. Jeez,
no one gets a break. I love my God Jehovah and praise only
him and his son so I speak not against him but only of those
who cannot fulfill the simplest of deeds, respect of your mother.
If you are bad then I dare you to hold any position in the
organization whether you are female or male, in this way you
can say I'm better than the stranger and the Jew. Can
you be honest or love without conditions and regulation of
men? Who of you ignore Christ teachings and Jehovah's
examples of loving your parent, because if you do you have
already failed. The organization has so much power to control
even the one christ commanded to love, " love your father
and mother and show them respect." I have no intention
to hurt anyone so I apologize. In a hundred years whose going
to care anyway, so this letter will probably be thrown into
the trash, but at the least I said something. So if my own
cousins can be tossed away like refuse, family members lie
to keep their position to judge and excuses on why you cannot
love Grandma then don't criticize anyone or a group,
which includes me. Please my family; pull the rafter out of
your own eye. Gossip is worse than any cut of the sword. I
have great pride in all of Grandpa's achievements, they
show character in which none of us have; yet I will strive
to be like him and persevere. I have no shame to speak of him
as a great man and I remember him walking with Sarge down the
long back driveway. I will always think of him under the grapes
peeling the cactus on his old brown stool. I only hope to live
as long as he. Remember when he cried alone and many walked
in on him and laughed at the old man? I sat with him in those
days. So now I watch grandma and my son sits next to me. Sadly
to say my only family is no more than bickering strangers and
haters using the name of Jehovah to achieve their own selfish
desire, Not even making the effort to see Grandma and drive
down the hill and stay for even a day is what I see and this
for goes for those cousins out there also. None of you even
make the effort to come down and see her, not even once in
a while. She is too old to drive and many have driven her up
to the hills but should it not be the son or daughter to visit
the mother? Is it so much to stay the day with her, in her
own home? Don't write your hate mail or send headhunters
to neither my home, nor a call. Love Grandma now! That is your
commandment not from any man but from God himself, she is to
be looked after and come first in your busy lives. Crocodile
tears won't mean a thing when she has past on. It's
the tears and laughs you share with her now are what mean the
most. Your actions speak louder than any word you can tell
me.Just do......your nephew................... This letter
is true and shows what real problems exist in a divided family
who are all members of the same organization....it is of my
opinion as long member that the organization is losing its
power of us and many now seek their own way....................The
MOLE... I hope all of you understand the true problems facing
our religion. It not worth debating with someone who doesn't
understand or someone just babbling nonsense..as i wrote and
stated I cannot tell anyone why Ray Franz told me personally
but a police state is what he likened my organization now,
its true, my own family are out to get their own living in
the ranks of something like a fascist political group,,,, what
good for the goose may not be good for the gander in our religious
thinking...This letter was mailed to all twenty family members
which are Witnesses....Ray is doing well...good luck to you
all in seeking for the truth....THE MOLE
Remote User:
Date:
06 Sep 2002
Time:
21:47:25
Comments
sheila ; rj is a what you called him. rj ; you are such a devote
member of the wt. and the preaching work the wt does??????i'll
start a fund drive!!!to send you to how about IRAQ, IRAN ,SOMALIA,LIBYA,
MAYBE THE PHILLIPINES JUNGLE. YOU CAN PREACH YOUR GOD'S WORD
HERE , JUST LIKE IT SAYS IN THE WT HOW GREAT IT IS TO CONVERT
THESE DEVILISH ONES TO THE WT. I WILL DONATE THE FIRST $500
FOR THIS CAUSE. !!!!!!!!!!RJ PACK YOUR BAGS IT WILL NOT BE
LONG TILL WE GET YOU A PLANE TICKET!!!!HOW ABOUTY CUBA????
NOT FAR AWAY , ARE YOU READY TO BE PERICUTED FOR YOUR GOD?????THE
MONEY IS HERE!!!!!!!JOHN
Remote User:
Date:
06 Sep 2002
Time:
22:24:59
Comments
CJV YOU DIDN,T MAKE AN ERROR !!!!YOU WERE BEING HONEST!!!THAT'S
WHAT THE KINGDOM IS ALL ABOUT..GOD LOVES HONESTY...HOW LONG
DID IT TAKE YOU 5 MINUTES TO REASON A SIMPLE QUESTION OUT!!!!UN
LIKE THE WT IT TAKES THE GB 20-40-50 100 YEARS TO REASON OUT
SIMPLE PROBLEMS. AND I NEVER HEARD YOU SAY YOU ARE GOD'S EARTHLY
CHANNEL OF COMMUNICATION FOR ALL MAN KIND!!!!!!!!!AND YOU FIGURED
IT OUT IN SECONDS!!!!ENOUGH TO MAKE ANY REASONABLE PERSON ASK????????????????WHAT
SPRIT IS DIRECTING THE LEADERS OF THE WATCHTOWER???????????FREEDOM
IN CHRIST TO ALL....JOHN
Remote User:
Date:
06 Sep 2002
Time:
23:21:11
Comments
RJ- You have made more posts than I can back track and count.
Almost a 1/2 dozen today alone. For you to come back here so
much there must be more bothering you than just the JWD knee-jerk
defense otherwise, you would have said F.O. and been done with
us. How can I help you? What do you want? If you wish to continue
trading barbs you can, You have the choice of doing that. If
you wish to talk about what is on your mind or your soul I
am listening.- A Friend- Jayson...
Remote User:
Date:
06 Sep 2002
Time:
23:27:05
Comments
Sheila- Do you mind me asking what your husband' novel is about?
What is the Title? Is it published yet ? I promise to buy a
copy. I think that is sooooo cool! I would love to be published.
I hope you meet your goal of writing your own novel.-Jayson
Remote User:
Date:
07 Sep 2002
Time:
01:49:58
Comments
How do I go about having my name removed from Jeh. witnesses
Remote User:
Date:
07 Sep 2002
Time:
07:29:08
Comments
To the question >>How do I go about getting my name removed
from JW's<< It's real easy!! Just publicly walk up to
an elder, any elder and tell him you support the silentlambs.
Tell him why. Tell him the Watchtower society is full of liars
and fornicators and murderers. TELL HIM THE TRUTH!! I guarantee
you, they'll not want you back.CJV Ont Can
Remote User:
Date:
07 Sep 2002
Time:
08:15:51
Comments
Hey everyone...this is Linda Thoman again. I have a suggestion...With
all the JW's posting nonsense on the board, how about everyone
just simply ignore those posts and not respond at all. It's
obvious these posts are meant to upset everyone, so why give
them the time of day? Let them come into this "apostate" site
against their own rules, let them rant and rave and call us
all liars, what does it matter really? Let their ignorance
stand on it's own. If someone posts a reasonable question without
the accusations attached, then reply with kindness and tact.
But this constant bantering back and forth serves no purpose.
We are here for the thousands of Silentlambs who need our help
and support and words of encouragement. Please make notice
of those who posts requests for help and email them immediately
and offer assistance, regardless of whether they are now adults
or not. There may be children who post and need help quick!
So, let's stick to the reason why we're here, let's help the
JW victims, and stop the name calling, bantering back and forth
and lets help however we can. Put flyers on your car windows
advertising this site; put flyers out everywhere you go; download
Bill's posters and Tri-folders and distribute them everywhere
you go. We must get the word out. JW's are doing everything
they can to keep it all hushed up, so we have to work that
much harder to counter their efforts. Please people...........stick
to the focus. Linda
Remote User:
Date:
07 Sep 2002
Time:
08:16:00
Comments
Hey everyone...this is Linda Thoman again. I have a suggestion...With
all the JW's posting nonsense on the board, how about everyone
just simply ignore those posts and not respond at all. It's
obvious these posts are meant to upset everyone, so why give
them the time of day? Let them come into this "apostate" site
against their own rules, let them rant and rave and call us
all liars, what does it matter really? Let their ignorance
stand on it's own. If someone posts a reasonable question without
the accusations attached, then reply with kindness and tact.
But this constant bantering back and forth serves no purpose.
We are here for the thousands of Silentlambs who need our help
and support and words of encouragement. Please make notice
of those who posts requests for help and email them immediately
and offer assistance, regardless of whether they are now adults
or not. There may be children who post and need help quick!
So, let's stick to the reason why we're here, let's help the
JW victims, and stop the name calling, bantering back and forth
and lets help however we can. Put flyers on your car windows
advertising this site; put flyers out everywhere you go; download
Bill's posters and Tri-folders and distribute them everywhere
you go. We must get the word out. JW's are doing everything
they can to keep it all hushed up, so we have to work that
much harder to counter their efforts. Please people...........stick
to the focus. Linda
Remote User:
Date:
07 Sep 2002
Time:
08:16:06
Comments
Hey everyone...this is Linda Thoman again. I have a suggestion...With
all the JW's posting nonsense on the board, how about everyone
just simply ignore those posts and not respond at all. It's
obvious these posts are meant to upset everyone, so why give
them the time of day? Let them come into this "apostate" site
against their own rules, let them rant and rave and call us
all liars, what does it matter really? Let their ignorance
stand on it's own. If someone posts a reasonable question without
the accusations attached, then reply with kindness and tact.
But this constant bantering back and forth serves no purpose.
We are here for the thousands of Silentlambs who need our help
and support and words of encouragement. Please make notice
of those who posts requests for help and email them immediately
and offer assistance, regardless of whether they are now adults
or not. There may be children who post and need help quick!
So, let's stick to the reason why we're here, let's help the
JW victims, and stop the name calling, bantering back and forth
and lets help however we can. Put flyers on your car windows
advertising this site; put flyers out everywhere you go; download
Bill's posters and Tri-folders and distribute them everywhere
you go. We must get the word out. JW's are doing everything
they can to keep it all hushed up, so we have to work that
much harder to counter their efforts. Please people...........stick
to the focus. Linda
Remote User:
Date:
07 Sep 2002
Time:
10:23:35
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Read this from JWD http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36161&site=3
. . . Let's help the Anderson's if we can
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11:06:04
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Jayson; The genre of my hubby's novel is fantasy(i.e.,: swords,
dragons, magic). The funny thing is there is a cult that parallels
the witnesses in it it's funny because he wrote it without
really realizing that was a way he was expressing his anger
LOL The title tentatively is Thunder Riders Burden. As for my
book, I'm not sure at what point I will be willing to take
the criticism for my writing. For me my writing is very personal
and to have others hack and slash YIKES Thanks for asking,
Sheila M PS If you write get Stephen Kings "On Writing" it
is so helpful
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07 Sep 2002
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Sheila M- Thanks! and Thanks again for the tip on King's book.
If you choose to write I know you can do it :)- Jay
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Seems like the Jehovah's Witnesses Governing body not only protect
paedophiles, but are no longer neutral having shares in weapons
of war! http://www.watchtowernews.org/randcam.htm The Watchtower's
Investments in Warfare Technology Amazing, UN membership, protecting
paedophiles and this, another reason to doubt this organization
represents God in any way. Of course if your a JW who
never believes any thing, don't read this message. SAB
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http://www.canoe.ca/NationalTicker/CANOE-wire.Jehovahs-Transfusion.html
I think it is important to know that this girl died and another
family that was once in tact is now in shambles. Good job GB.
I'm sure that it is all propaganda and "lashing" grieving
individuals that say the WT religiously empowered puts pressure
on anyone or any family that does not do what the MAN tells
them too. No all that is given is? Nope, That is why the words "I
am sorry for the loss of your daughter that you love so much" is
completely void. That is why the Father is attacked by the WT
group. Yep, no love, no understanding, no compassion, and I
am not sorry. That is the way of the WT. And they wonder why
I am completely discussed by their actions. They wonder I never
joined. And they wonder why I won't be quite. They just don't
get it.-Sorry to rant but this hurts-Jayson
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great to know fellow bro's & sis are doing Jehovah's will
by sending viruses to my email address. being a believer in "what
comes around, goes around", i'm sure the love they've
shown will rebound back on them. Rich
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The man father of a teenager that just died in Calgary is devastated
by the WT. Now he declared war on the WT. We should help him
somehow. We should find more effective ways to fight them.
rmk
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This article was printed in 1999 October in a college news
letter called New Thinkers Newsletter from a former college
student who is a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses Organization.
This letter was verified with a phone discussion. Names and
dates where deleted purposely to avoid legal action against
New Thinkers Newsletter. The girl named J. was afraid of being
shunned if this secret came out about her hall. *** I remember
not long ago in my hall , there was an incident that shocked
everyone and no one said anything . It is my belief and still
is, that everyone was afraid to speak up in fear of reprisals.
A young man in the south area of Sacramento was found molesting
young boys that he was in care of. The parent were very upset
and went to the Elders of our hall to complain. It was a horrible
scandal that literally shook everyone's pillars. I personally
thought he was going to prison for his actions. The young mans
parents begged the Elders not to turn him into the police and
the young man cried and begged also. With pleading tears the
Elders said they would see into the matter. To my knowledge
the children's parent was about to inform the police but the
Elders told her that it was unscriptural to call the law and
that is was a matter for the hall to deal with not outside
authorities. They gave the scripture about how it is wrong
to sue one another in the same faith. Basically, I think they
wanted to hush the matter so that reproach wouldn't fall on
their congregation. The young man received a demotion and a
public reproving. I was shocked, We are suppose to be in subjection
to God's laws and to man's law. This was clearly breaking man's
law not reporting the matter to the authorities. It was quietly
put aside. One of the Elders in our hall gave a talk to the
congregation about gossip and subtle threats about discussing
things that were of a judicial matter. Fear instilled in the
hearts kept everyone silent. This was the most horrible thing
I have heard in years. The children's parent was dismayed at
the whole situation and I asked why she didn't do it anyway
and call the police, she said she was afraid of being accused
of not obeying Gods words and being called an apostate. So
the police were never called and the children will have to
live with this ugly memory forever. The Elders swept it under
the carpet and no one spoke openly about it again. Six months
later M.S. the young man was given back his former position
as a ministerial servant and declared he was repentant. This
is why I wrote this letter to tell everyone, and to make things
worse I just found out that the Organization will send him
to New York as a Bethelite. I am sick to my stomach that he
is being rewarded for his actions. J. of south Sacramento ***
This letter was published and distributed to the police and
to all colleges campuses in northern California beside watch
groups like SilentLambs. Good luck Bill.. New Thinkers Newsletter
2002
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hey all found this one too. wow ..really deep. hey slc, hi
someone in texas, what's up buster? it bro in lodi again. what
is with all the yelling here? found this one deep in the pit
of discord. *****the mole*******To all witnesses: I never
thought I was in a right wing group, I still don't believe
that I am. However, some of the statements are true. I too
have had some questions about being a Jehovah's Witness. I
was born into the situation and known no other. I have never
known any other religion and my parents kept me very isolated
from others who were considered worldly (pagans). I believe
that we do good, but the attitude by most people is apathy
so it has been a struggle for us. It is true most in our group
believe everything that is written in our Watchtower Magazine,
but that goes for any Religion who publishes anything. I have
seen the wrongs; however, this is by no means an expose'of
my congregation nor of the others I know of personally. I remember
the 1975 period when my parents didn't believe that the world
was going to end and my fathers disfellowshipping. I also remember
the 1980-83 shake up of our Society which is still very vivid
in my mind. Yet my mom wanted to return to our kingdom hall
anyway because all her family are members of the Jehovah's
Witnesses'; nevertheless, it took years for her to get excepted
back into our religion, and my father, he rather not have anything
to do with the religion or any other religion as far as he
is concerned. I will admit that I am a baptized member of the
Organization of Jehovah's Witnesses and I will tell my experience
and the truth of what I seen. This is in no way meant to hurt
all those I love by writing this response . There are couple
of incidents I will mention but I will keep the names hidden
so as too refrain from harming the innocent. Here is one more
that has to be mentioned. Awhile back in West Sacramento, there
is a so called Brother of the faith who committed statutory
rape. The mother was very upset and intended phone the police
but again she was told to show forgiveness and love. I was
told they also gave the same scripture about Christians suing
one another. She threatened to do it any way's but was told
not too. She said to all of us that she was told by the Elders
that if she did, she would be rebelling against gods authority.
The law was broken we said, but she said if she did phone the
police she would get in trouble. These examples are true to
the best of knowledge and it grieves me very much. Now I see
why Brother Franz said in his book " It is Christ we should
focus on, not some human organization, that our attention and
interest should focus, for carefully concealed in him are all
are treasures". He may be disfellowshipped but he has
made an impact on all Jehovah's Witnesses. His book has passed
through many of our hands but he is correct in saying that " drastic
actions taken toward those person accused of apostasy were
unjustified and repugnant". I can not reject my faith
and do say that the previous letter was nothing more than bashing
my religion. But I know of those who knew Brother Franz and
they discussed all those issues I have just written about.
I have heard the he is a very kind and a loving man who does
love god. We all need martyrs for what is right and if Ray
Franz is right he will be remembered for ever like the others
in our past who loved truth. My dad wants nothing to do with
my religion and said he doesn't really care to return. As I
briefly mentioned before he was disfellowshipped in 1976 when
I was very little. He worked over 40 hours a week and didn't
have time to go door to door. I remember the Elders of our
old hall talking to him constantly about the need for field
service. My dad said he would lose his job or his house if
he did what they suggested. It got to the point where he grit
his teeth every time they showed up. He told my mom that they
suggested he quit his job and spend more time going door to
door preaching. He was dumfounded at their comments and it
was backed up with the reasoning that the world would end soon.
I remember so many who lost there jobs because of this kind
of thinking. Many were kicked out for apostasy for not obeying
these men. My dad says now, where are these fools who told
me to quit, the world didn't end in 1976, only there control
over him did. He was disfellowshipped in 1976 for not being
reasonable and not being humble. I heard the way they spoke
to my dad and it was like a quiet serpent with soft words and
a superior attitude, like they knew gods thoughts. My mom cried
for days because she knew they had already intended to remove
my dad. He stood up for his rights and appealed their decision.
To no avail it was announced a week before my birthday that
he was disfellowshipped. Our world changed at that moment for
us. My dad is very successful in his job and now has more free
time than ever and ready to retire. He says if he would have
done what they said we would have all suffered greatly. He
is humored when he sees or hears of these men when we are at
our assembly because they didn't get their end of the world
and are broke still working at low paying jobs without the
possibility retiring. I have heard that out of the five who
prosecuted him only one remains in authority. From the five,
one was disfellowshipped for what ever reasons, one gave up
the religion entirely, one died, and the last stepped down
from his position. Hearing this gave my dad some release of
the thoughts that he was bad in some way for standing up for
himself. My mom is a different story but it is the same ending
. My mom has been a member since her birth also. She cannot
remember any other association or any religion in her family.
My family members are all baptized and have been associated
with this organization for years. My mom used to be a pioneer
( full time Preaching) for years. She went to New York and
worked for awhile there and traveled around the US for a couple
of years as a pioneer. I remember her telling us how she was
so excited to do all this and who she knew . Names and people
she talked too seemed endless and many were very high up in
our organization. In 1980 when the shake up began in our organization,
my mom cried to hear that some of her friends were removed.
Once again she was devastated. Some of those people helped
her through her crisis and helped her remained active despite
my dads feelings. She continued without a word preaching and
telling everyone about our harmony and love for one another.
A year had past and she said to a few that it was awful what
had happened and how can she say we have harmony when we didn't.
I remember more clearly now what mom my went through now that
I'm older. I heard the ugly rumors about my moms friends and
so did my mom. She defended herself and her friends only to
be put in a head hunt situation. I know for a fact she encouraged
her friends over the phone to stay faithful and not to do bad.
She was lectured week after week that her faith in our organization
was weak and possibly apostate. She was crushed to hear this.
I remember the toll it took on her health then. She had done
nothing wrong in her conscience or her heart she said. My mom
was removed in 1983. Our family shunned us, even me. Years
passed and my mom was reinstated in 1992. She was able to see
her family and my grandma. MY grandfather died a year before
and we were not invited because both my parents were disfellowshipped.
I to got baptized in 1992 and it made my mom happy. My reasons
are mine on why I did get baptized;however, I know this, I
will be more cautious and not fall prey to wild thinking or
throw my life away preaching. I seen the best of both worlds
and I will be like my dad, I also will have the devotion like
my mother to those I love and care about. It scares me personally
to see people suffer needlessly like that girl on the Dateline
interview. It shakes me up on how disgusting it is to cover
up legal matters and let others be abused; therefore, I believe
that my god Jehovah will destroy these people, and I do believe
in him without question. I will not listen to any mans foolishness
on what they believe god thinks or what they think he wants.
Our hearts he will search out, not bible zealots who feel they
are better than anyone else. I have my regrets for not doing
what I had to do, only to subject myself to ignorant men. I
promise not ever to do to my children what was done to me in
my past. I will not deprive them the need to release nor to
communicate or to express themselves as I was hindered. I think
my life could have been much more than it is now. I have a
weak High school education because at that time when I was
in high school the J.W. organization did discourage any extra
curricular activity and college prep courses. I whole heartedly
believe that this effected my life style today and to regretfully
say I have no skills. My children will play baseball, do Karate,
and Play with the neighbor kids. All these things are part
of growing up and to hinder them is evil. I was told I couldn't
do these things when I was young and I told my mom how I hated
not doing anything productive at school in my early days. Her
reply was that she was sorry for me not going to college and
if she had to do all of over again, she would have let me expand
my horizons. She said those were the times then and all higher
education was discouraged, if she would have known what she
knows now, it wouldn't have happened. I could have been somebody
great or better equipped to do good by now. I struggle to survive
while those younger than me have the upper management jobs
and I'm stuck with some low wage, taking orders from some pee-on.
The impact of the Elders carries much weight but the need for
the many is control or a sense of purpose. We have good times
along with the bad, but a limit should be on how much control
over ones mind should be. Our conscience is a gift from god
and should not be exploited. I think religion is good in some
ways and to have it removed would crush hope. Hope keeps mankind
from destroying one another. If the world is to end, I know
in my heart I will live to see my dream of being in a paradise.
False prophecy I ignore, but love and kindness keeps me going.
I believe that God exist and mankind needs teachings that exert
love. Avoid those men in cheap suit's with their ideas of God.
It is god who we will answer too not to some organization.
Keep on searching for the real truth not be polluted in false
doctrine and the corrupt ideas of men. For Jehovah is to be
sought out not hidden in a building in New York.....*****the
mole****
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hi again..this is another for you sister in auburn...brother
in placerville stay strong and fight the good fight! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *********the
mole************“True love and peace within the Organization;
let's remain under God's rule with faith.” These
words where spoken at the last district assembly of Jehovah's
Witness in July of 1999. Do they speak the truth or with fork
tongues? Beware all members of the Organization; the time I
warned you about have begun; they are out to find you. With
a smiles and cheer they come into your home to sneer. They
sit in your home and listen to your every word and test every
comment to see if your worthy of their man mad blessings and
give their evaluation of what they feel how spiritual you are
not knowing only God himself can only see these things. Can
they really see the love within a person or is of their own
perspective they what should be in their own eyes. Their doomsday
Prophets has spoken again. In so many words they have declared
that the year 2000 will be the coming of Christ; however, they
are a little smarter than before when they prophesied in 1975
and 1984 that the end would come. So by not putting anything
in print they have plausible deniability if it doesn't
come as expected. What is so humorous is that many Brothers
and Sisters during one of our afternoon breaks at the assembly
gave a long and detail synopsis of how the world is coming
to an end in the year 2000 and how his family is preparing
for it. I laughed heartily while listening to one of our member's
go on and on how they are so faithful and how Jehovah will
save them in the time of need. Can anyone be haughtier than
this; does this sound like the Pharisees? The real question
to ask is will the organization stop or discourage such talk?
A well-known and reputable speaker within the Society declared
this at our convention and so I thought this needed to be said
and I quote, “ The time has come when those inside our
organization will cool off and betray our brotherhood, … the
time is near and the weeding out has begun. The end of the
times as declared by the apostles and Jesus is now!” If
these words are true than 98% of the world's population
is dead with no hope of salvation through Christ, so all peoples
of the world must conform to the ideas of the Jehovah's
Witness' that salvation must come through their organization.
There is NO scripture in the Bible that declared salvation
through an organization, it says though it's through
Christ alone. Are they to makes us believe they alone have
this power? Why would a God of love and peace destroy the innocent
along with the evil? The Jehovah's Witness' proclaim
they have covered the world with their worldwide teaching and
that those who didn't listen will be destroyed, the Mormons
are declaring the same message, which is correct? Also are
this showing true love and a good example to others around
them who are looking for the rule truth about God and his Son?
Another thing is that they have an excuse for every crime they
commit and act of abhorred brutality they do, the cover ups
would reach the sky but will they admit it; but no, it is all
good because Jehovah god will only forgive them and no one
else. Beware all; they have started their witch-hunt to look
for apostates within their own organization. Its looks like
they are ready to atrophied as a group of people. Not only
do they have enemies on the outside but also on the inside.
Many faithful members are now ready to dig in and wait for
the fight as I am doing now. Any person in any congregation
can now accuse someone of a wrongdoing and remain hidden while
the cost to defend one self is enormous to the accused. Does
this sound familiar in our Christian past? So now we wait for
the new inquisition and burning at the stake just like before
when the Pope said all those questioning their authority is
to be sought out and purged for their sins. Along with others
who are still members, including me are watching with a careful
eye; we are waiting for the headhunt to begin and see how their
book-burning club seeks out betrayers in their own ranks. One
fact is the Elders will come to your home telling you they
are there for encouragement while the whole time they are searching
through your house and judging you with their soft words as
they question ones on irrelevant subjects. The congregation
meetings soon after the district assemblies began to create
lectures of apostate teachings and those who speak out against
the Organization. Here is one talk that I took notes on that
shocked not only me but those who are the old members as well.
I quote, ” Let anyone who has an opinion or voice not
in harmony with the Society and the Anointed be removed. We
should all sing in chorus like the angles in heaven… Those
who believe they are individuals be reminded they are rebelling
against God.” My question is what God or God's are they
talking about? If Jehovah created us to be individuals with
free will than whom are they talking about, or is it they believe
God was in error in the Holy Scriptures? The shunning destroying
families will be the horrid crime that would even offend Christ
himself. If one cannot question the authority system that our
hierarchy has created than we as people are no more than thoughtless
robots in a Nazi regime. For a group of people supposedly to
obey the scriptures they don't seem too follow to closely.
In Jude verse 22 say's “Continue showing mercy
to those who have doubts”. Do you think they do this
simple act of mercy? It's a good question they should
not only ask themselves but as whole group. I have this comment
directed to the President of the Jehovah's Witness' Organization
and that is, “ you have substituted the oneness of God
for the diversity which cannot be resolved into one. Through
this you have created the torment of incomprehension, and the
mutilation of the created world of thought, the essence and
law of which is diversity. How can you be true to your nature
when you attempt to make one (your personal thoughts of God)
out of many? I tell you this, what you do to the Angels, Christ
and most of all Jehovah himself, that which evil what you preach
will befall you also.” This scripture says it all and
so I will quote it from our Organization own Bible. 1 Corinthians
4:3-5, “ Now to me it is a very trivial matter that I
should be examined by you or by a human tribunal. Even I do
not examine myself. For I am not conscious of anything against
myself; yet this does not prove me righteous, but he that examine
me is Jehovah. Hence do not judge anything before the due time,
until the Lord comes, who will both bring the secret things
of darkness to light and make the counsels of the hearts manifest,
and then each one will have his praise come to him from God.” Will
the Witness' follow the written word from their own source
or will they have an excuse similar to those Puritans who burned
witches for Gods sake? We must resist with all our might the
conspiracy to limit and narrow our perception, masquerading
tendentious religious dogma as absolute truths. Witnesses want
to really know the truth then how come the Organization doesn't
admit that its way of conducting the congregation is similar
to that of Valentinian Gnosticism in the first century. Congregation
members give talks (preach) to the laity, the women also go
on stage, not directly preaching to the audience but to another
on the stage (podium), same thing. Preaching from door to door
to other Christians declaring the imperfections of their faith
that they alone have the good news of salvation, and their
ideas of the struggle of light and darkness found only in the
Jehovah's Witness' doctrine, etc, etc, etc. Can
they really believe the rest of the world doesn't see
this? This is why they and the Mormons seek the dregs of life
to fill their seats not as Christ did for salvation but for
the need of power and money. They are like public braggarts
boasting of their enrollment not of those poor they saved from
disaster or distress. The many that love and give freely of
themselves now have to regulate whom they associate with. During
the concluding session of the same assembly in July one of
the last speakers insisted on avoiding bad association and
the weak; however, isn't this contrary to scripture also?
In John 7:24 states these actions clearly by saying,” Stop
judging from the outward appearance, but judge with righteous
judgment.” My question to the Society is how can you
have a double standard? If Jesus said to go for the lost sheep
and leave behind the other ninety-nine, then where does one
draw the line on who is weak? If the weak are in need of help
but shunned are the Elders no better than the men Christ himself
condemned as evil serpents and so Christ sat with prostitutes
and beggars. Will the Elders wash my feet as Christ our leader
did? Is there such a humble man in our Organization? Each person
in our Kingdom Halls is so preoccupied with making a good appearance
they have lost the truth on why the first century congregation
formed. If anyone has noticed while attending our meetings
many of the members are no more than empty shells, regurgitating
the same useless babble so not is different. Image is not everything
it's the wholeness one can exert with love and kindness
is the fine works spoken of in Galatians 5:22-3; therefore,
its not a showy display but helping the poor and weak in which
the grace of God blesses people. I will keep attending and
reporting. Stay on the watch, you may also be next to be questioned
about your inner feelings and standing in the congregation.
Beware to all of you. Sincerely, *********The Mole*********
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hi again..this is another for you sister in auburn...brother
in placerville stay strong and fight the good fight! this is
the lodi brother what is going on everyone , i have been reading
the last months stuff. it seems we attacked so some firecrackers.
fresh blood is good. hi all>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *********the
mole************“True love and peace within the Organization;
let's remain under God's rule with faith.” These
words where spoken at the last district assembly of Jehovah's
Witness in July of 1999. Do they speak the truth or with fork
tongues? Beware all members of the Organization; the time I
warned you about have begun; they are out to find you. With
a smiles and cheer they come into your home to sneer. They
sit in your home and listen to your every word and test every
comment to see if your worthy of their man mad blessings and
give their evaluation of what they feel how spiritual you are
not knowing only God himself can only see these things. Can
they really see the love within a person or is of their own
perspective they what should be in their own eyes. Their doomsday
Prophets has spoken again. In so many words they have declared
that the year 2000 will be the coming of Christ; however, they
are a little smarter than before when they prophesied in 1975
and 1984 that the end would come. So by not putting anything
in print they have plausible deniability if it doesn't
come as expected. What is so humorous is that many Brothers
and Sisters during one of our afternoon breaks at the assembly
gave a long and detail synopsis of how the world is coming
to an end in the year 2000 and how his family is preparing
for it. I laughed heartily while listening to one of our member's
go on and on how they are so faithful and how Jehovah will
save them in the time of need. Can anyone be haughtier than
this; does this sound like the Pharisees? The real question
to ask is will the organization stop or discourage such talk?
A well-known and reputable speaker within the Society declared
this at our convention and so I thought this needed to be said
and I quote, “ The time has come when those inside our
organization will cool off and betray our brotherhood, … the
time is near and the weeding out has begun. The end of the
times as declared by the apostles and Jesus is now!” If
these words are true than 98% of the world's population
is dead with no hope of salvation through Christ, so all peoples
of the world must conform to the ideas of the Jehovah's
Witness' that salvation must come through their organization.
There is NO scripture in the Bible that declared salvation
through an organization, it says though it's through
Christ alone. Are they to makes us believe they alone have
this power? Why would a God of love and peace destroy the innocent
along with the evil? The Jehovah's Witness' proclaim
they have covered the world with their worldwide teaching and
that those who didn't listen will be destroyed, the Mormons
are declaring the same message, which is correct? Also are
this showing true love and a good example to others around
them who are looking for the rule truth about God and his Son?
Another thing is that they have an excuse for every crime they
commit and act of abhorred brutality they do, the cover ups
would reach the sky but will they admit it; but no, it is all
good because Jehovah god will only forgive them and no one
else. Beware all; they have started their witch-hunt to look
for apostates within their own organization. Its looks like
they are ready to atrophied as a group of people. Not only
do they have enemies on the outside but also on the inside.
Many faithful members are now ready to dig in and wait for
the fight as I am doing now. Any person in any congregation
can now accuse someone of a wrongdoing and remain hidden while
the cost to defend one self is enormous to the accused. Does
this sound familiar in our Christian past? So now we wait for
the new inquisition and burning at the stake just like before
when the Pope said all those questioning their authority is
to be sought out and purged for their sins. Along with others
who are still members, including me are watching with a careful
eye; we are waiting for the headhunt to begin and see how their
book-burning club seeks out betrayers in their own ranks. One
fact is the Elders will come to your home telling you they
are there for encouragement while the whole time they are searching
through your house and judging you with their soft words as
they question ones on irrelevant subjects. The congregation
meetings soon after the district assemblies began to create
lectures of apostate teachings and those who speak out against
the Organization. Here is one talk that I took notes on that
shocked not only me but those who are the old members as well.
I quote, ” Let anyone who has an opinion or voice not
in harmony with the Society and the Anointed be removed. We
should all sing in chorus like the angles in heaven… Those
who believe they are individuals be reminded they are rebelling
against God.” My question is what God or God's are they
talking about? If Jehovah created us to be individuals with
free will than whom are they talking about, or is it they believe
God was in error in the Holy Scriptures? The shunning destroying
families will be the horrid crime that would even offend Christ
himself. If one cannot question the authority system that our
hierarchy has created than we as people are no more than thoughtless
robots in a Nazi regime. For a group of people supposedly to
obey the scriptures they don't seem too follow to closely.
In Jude verse 22 say's “Continue showing mercy
to those who have doubts”. Do you think they do this
simple act of mercy? It's a good question they should
not only ask themselves but as whole group. I have this comment
directed to the President of the Jehovah's Witness' Organization
and that is, “ you have substituted the oneness of God
for the diversity which cannot be resolved into one. Through
this you have created the torment of incomprehension, and the
mutilation of the created world of thought, the essence and
law of which is diversity. How can you be true to your nature
when you attempt to make one (your personal thoughts of God)
out of many? I tell you this, what you do to the Angels, Christ
and most of all Jehovah himself, that which evil what you preach
will befall you also.” This scripture says it all and
so I will quote it from our Organization own Bible. 1 Corinthians
4:3-5, “ Now to me it is a very trivial matter that I
should be examined by you or by a human tribunal. Even I do
not examine myself. For I am not conscious of anything against
myself; yet this does not prove me righteous, but he that examine
me is Jehovah. Hence do not judge anything before the due time,
until the Lord comes, who will both bring the secret things
of darkness to light and make the counsels of the hearts manifest,
and then each one will have his praise come to him from God.” Will
the Witness' follow the written word from their own source
or will they have an excuse similar to those Puritans who burned
witches for Gods sake? We must resist with all our might the
conspiracy to limit and narrow our perception, masquerading
tendentious religious dogma as absolute truths. Witnesses want
to really know the truth then how come the Organization doesn't
admit that its way of conducting the congregation is similar
to that of Valentinian Gnosticism in the first century. Congregation
members give talks (preach) to the laity, the women also go
on stage, not directly preaching to the audience but to another
on the stage (podium), same thing. Preaching from door to door
to other Christians declaring the imperfections of their faith
that they alone have the good news of salvation, and their
ideas of the struggle of light and darkness found only in the
Jehovah's Witness' doctrine, etc, etc, etc. Can
they really believe the rest of the world doesn't see
this? This is why they and the Mormons seek the dregs of life
to fill their seats not as Christ did for salvation but for
the need of power and money. They are like public braggarts
boasting of their enrollment not of those poor they saved from
disaster or distress. The many that love and give freely of
themselves now have to regulate whom they associate with. During
the concluding session of the same assembly in July one of
the last speakers insisted on avoiding bad association and
the weak; however, isn't this contrary to scripture also?
In John 7:24 states these actions clearly by saying,” Stop
judging from the outward appearance, but judge with righteous
judgment.” My question to the Society is how can you
have a double standard? If Jesus said to go for the lost sheep
and leave behind the other ninety-nine, then where does one
draw the line on who is weak? If the weak are in need of help
but shunned are the Elders no better than the men Christ himself
condemned as evil serpents and so Christ sat with prostitutes
and beggars. Will the Elders wash my feet as Christ our leader
did? Is there such a humble man in our Organization? Each person
in our Kingdom Halls is so preoccupied with making a good appearance
they have lost the truth on why the first century congregation
formed. If anyone has noticed while attending our meetings
many of the members are no more than empty shells, regurgitating
the same useless babble so not is different. Image is not everything
it's the wholeness one can exert with love and kindness
is the fine works spoken of in Galatians 5:22-3; therefore,
its not a showy display but helping the poor and weak in which
the grace of God blesses people. I will keep attending and
reporting. Stay on the watch, you may also be next to be questioned
about your inner feelings and standing in the congregation.
Beware to all of you. Sincerely, *********The Mole*********
Remote User:
Date:
07 Sep 2002
Time:
17:01:21
Comments
Mole, you really care! How comely that you are back! How encouraging
that you see things correctly. My hope is restored. There must
be a number of people like you there. They are not stupid they
must see that something is wrong. How do we become more effective
in helping the sincere ones to freedom? God be with you Mole.
Always looking forward to some news from you.rmk
Remote User:
Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
01:46:19
Comments
I feel I must be honest, I grow weary of the over expounded
bible thumping scholars on this site who do what they accuse
there Quote unQuote JW opponents of doing. Being Abusive, that's
right, the Endless Page after page of Bible Theorizing and
policy debating is in my opinion more Religious Abuse, I get
more mind numbing hogwash on this site in one sitting than
I would a hole month of sitting in a KH, at least there I am
not isolating myself an turning into some sort of moronic Bible
relic. Don"t get me wrong, this Child Abuse and Spouse
Battering are important subjects and need to be addressed but
this Whose the smartest bible scholar on the planet game that
goes on here is reminiscent of some street curb alcoholics
ramblings and does nothing more than sidestep what is trying
to be accomplished here, maybe that is your purpose to try
and discourage people, shy sheep if you will from posting here
because they can't get a word in edgways. And I will use some
names... No I won't, YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE I was appalled to
read some posts from obvious new posters spilling there hearts
out in a small faint voice, just to be talked over to the greedy
ego feeding, language confusing nazi's that frequent this page
and never have anything encouraging to say to any of the lambs
here, I am personally tired of all the grandstanding that goes
on here and doubt that it has anything to do with healing
abuse issues. This is my perspective anyway...NP
Remote User:
Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
05:51:41
Comments
Remote User:
Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
07:17:40
Comments
NP-- I have to agree with you and I believe that there are
many others out there that feel the same. This site was set
up for those who have been abused first by the molesters then
by the people who are to look after the well-being of the sheep
in their care. Bad habits are hard to break for some who have
left the organization and for those that have an ax to grind
with the Watchtower. there are other forums out there for that
purpose, they need to take full advantage of them and leave
this site to the true Silent Lambs. The best advice that I
could give to anyone is to report criminal activity to the
law enforcement in your area, don't leave it in the hands of
people that can't or won't help you. In my opinion it serves
no purpose to argue doctrine, leave the past behind (I know
that is hard to do, especially if you have been abused by this
religion) and enjoy the rest of you life. CM
Remote User:
Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
07:34:54
Comments
I hate these posters who post large messages taking up tonnes
of space!!!!!!!!!!!! Why don't you create a website and post
it there like i do? Deepest sympathy to the father of the girl
who died of Leukemia. I hope a website is created so donations
can be given to help him. bas www.antijehovahswitness.com
Remote User:
Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
10:43:19
Comments
i followed the story of the girl in canada with cancer.and
how the wt stepped in to fight the father, break up the family,
etc., etc., how many times has the wt printed that we must follow
our own conscience. i think the father did that. the wt tried
to play god and step in . the wt is a baby HITLER!!!!THE WT
TREATS IT,S MEMBERS, THE SAME AS THE PHAROAH'S TREATED THE
JEW SLAVES. STORY'S LIKE THESE MAKE ME SICK!!!JW,S HAVE NO
HUMAN RIGHT UNDER THE WHIP OF THE WATCHTOWER !!!!!!!!!!JUST
AS GOD DESTROYED THE TOWER OF BABAL. SO WILL GOD DESTROY THE
MODERN WATCHTOWER OF BABALING BULL CRAP....JOHN
Remote User:
Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
10:49:32
Comments
This whole religion is based on "don't challenge the Watchtower
on any subject" because they are Gods organization. Any
type of investigation into this religion is useful to help
people see that it is not the final authority. It is nothing
more than a few older peoples opinions. I welcome all challenges
to their authority.
Remote User:
Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
13:19:32
Comments
Well many have talked the talk, are you willing to walk the
walk? Below is program anyone can do in your local community.
We would like to see every Kingdom Hall presented with a stuffed
lamb and press statement before the march in Brooklyn on the
27th. How about all the Kingdom Halls in your area? Follow
the instructions below, email me if you want one sent to you
directly. This can certainly help bring larger publicity to
the march and if you are unable to attend, it offers something
you can do locally to support silentlambs. This is a part of
history that will be remembered for years to come, please do
not miss this opportunity to be part of it. silentlambs Instructions:
This is the announcement press packet for the local Kingdom
Hall press release. The top page goes out two days in advance
to all media in your local area. TV, Radio, Newspaper, etc..
Call and get fax or email along with who the religion reporters
are. Send this to news room fax or assignment desk to their
attention. Put a local telephone number and name as a contact
person above my name. Call the local reporters and tell them
you are going to deliver the lamb, which Kingdoms Halls along
with when and where. The next two pages are to press conference
statements are simply delivered with the lamb and stuck on
the front door handle. Do all the Kingdom Halls in your area.
When reporters arrive, why not stand under the local through?
If JWs order you off the property make them do it in front
of the reporter. Then explain this is much the same as child
rape victims are treated within the congregation. Then simply
go to the sidewalk or by the sign in front of the Kingdom Hall
and offer to answer any questions about the purpose of the
march and why we are delivering lambs to Kingdom Halls. Give
the reporter a copy of what you are leaving at the Kingdom
Hall. Mid morning is a good time as typically no one is there
and if you are asked to leave then the press will get it on
film. Do not be angry or abrasive to any JWs you may meet,
be kind and cordial to any requests. If confronted by elders
you might try to mention this is about protecting children
from child abuse and do they mind if you make a few brief comments
to the press statement? If they say no then ask them where
you could stand, put them on the spot. Remember sidewalks are
public property and can be used as a last resort. Kingdom Hall
signs are often located near the sidewalk, stand as close as
possible if a reporter wants to talk to you. If you are having
supporters with you have them make up posters that say-silentlambs-protect
children-stop child molesters-end the silence-or words to that
effect. Answer any questions and then ask if they want to follow
you to the next Kingdom Hall. Answer questions as you would
for a representative for the silentlambs organization. Say
at silentlambs we do this or that try to include the name in
the sentence. Also say the words Jehovah's Witnesses as much
as possible. Say leadership when you refer to the governing
body. Wait for reporters to arrive speak briefly with them
and tell them what you are going to do. Lead them to the drive
through and place a stuffed lamb on the front door. If JWs
are there hand it to them and say it is a gift from silentlambs
and you want them to pass it on to the elders. If they refuse
just sit it by the front door. Remember let them lose their
cool but you keep yours. I do not think there will be JWs around
but be prepared just in case. After delivering the lamb give
the reporters a copy of the statement left on the front door
and ask if they have any questions. Be sure and highlight the
purpose of the march in and the indictment of the governing
body for hurting children. Remember this is your opportunity
to so something to be proud of; you're speaking up for children.
Your efforts will protect children that have yet to be born.
Sex Abuse Victims and Advocates Deliver Stuffed Animal to Local
Jehovah's Witnesses Churches across America Announce Nationwide
First Ever March for Jehovah's Witness Child Rape Victims New
Support Group Seeks Investigation of Church Hierarchy WHAT:
At cities across America local Kingdom Halls of Jehovah's Witnesses
will be visited by representatives for silentlambs to deliver
a stuffed lamb as a symbol of innocence lost, also adults molested
as kids by Jehovah's Witnesses and advocates will deliver a
formal request from the silentlambs organization for a church
hearing to investigate possible criminal cover-ups by the denominations
leadership for Jehovah's Witnesses the Governing Body. They
will deliver a copy of a press release delivered to Kingdom
Halls at 16 major cites across the US last week. The release
announces a national march for molestation victims at Jehovah's
Witnesses home office in Brooklyn, scheduled on September 27th.
WHEN: (fill in dates, times and places here, you can list the
sequentially-example-10:30am-11:00am- see locations below.
WHO: (give your name and whether you are an abuse survivor
or advocate, if you do not wish to use your name that is fine
just say abuse survivor or advocate for children that will
be delivering the information) WHERE: Give the details of where
each Kingdom Hall is located as in this example)Jehovah's Witness
Kingdom Hall, Directions: From Interstate 65: Take exit 125
onto Gene Snyder Freeway west. Go ten miles to 31W (). Turn
left at traffic light toward . Go 1.4 miles to (Moby Dick fish
place on the right), turn right, go one mile to , then turn
left. Kingdom hall is 2/10 of a mile on the right. DETAILS:
This is a continuation of the first public event ever for child
rape victims of Jehovah's Witnesses. According to William H.
Bowen founder of silentlambs, We allege that Watchtower has
established a child abuse policy that has ignored abuse survivors,
protected child molesters and disfellowshipped those who have
tried to support them. This will be a public statement that
leadership for Jehovah s Witnesses (Governing Body) must stop
hurting children. Silentlambs is formerly requesting the church
to establish a tribunal to prosecute the Governing Body for
their crimes against children. Contact: (put your contact information
here, use mine below) www.silentlambs.org, William H. Bowen:
270-527-5350, cell 270-559-5345 silentlambs, inc. PUBLIC AIRS
OFFICE For Immediate Release We are here to speak out for victims
of child rape who have been silenced and now know they have
a right to speak out. We call them silentlambs. The house of
worship situated in your local community is directed by a group
of 11 men who hold legislative, executive, and judicial power
over a world-wide religious order known as Jehovah's Witnesses.
These men, who are known as a Governing Body (leadership) for
6 million Jehovah's Witnesses world-wide, have chosen to defend
an indefensible regulation that has led and continues to lead
to unimaginable damage to children who have suffered or who
are now suffering sexual abuse. Today we are here to announce
the first ever nation-wide march for Jehovah's Witness child
rape victims. On September 27th at 2pm, at Jehovah's Witnesses'
headquarters in Brooklyn, abuse survivors and supporters will
come from around the world to let the Jehovah's Witnesses'
leadership (Governing Body) know we will no longer be ignored.
We are angry at being silenced when we tried to speak out about
abuse; we are outraged that we were disfellowshipped when we
spoke out to protect children. Jehovah's Witnesses' Governing
Body policies have hurt thousands of children; by their actions
they appear to have no remorse; they have made no apology,
but instead have sent henchmen in congregations like this to
excommunicate victims and advocates who spoke out for children.
At least the Catholic Church has taken steps in the right direction
for addressing abuse issues but Jehovah's Witnesses leadership,
by their actions, appear to think they are above the law and
will punish anyone who says different. In a statement made
to media dated February 7, the head of the PR Department for
Jehovah's Witnesses, J. R. Brown states, "Our Governing
Body is willing to resolve differences of opinion within the
framework of the congregation and according to Scriptural principles." For
these reasons we are asking that a board of key men be selected
from within the church to serve as judges. On September 27,
in , we will bring dozens of eye-witnesses to testify regarding
the harm Watchtower policy has caused by requiring two eye-witnesses
to verify child molestation allegations. How often does a child
have an eye-witness when they are being raped? We ask them
to hear our witnesses and if their testimony proves true the
leadership of Jehovah's Witnesses (Governing Body) should either
be sanctioned or dismissed from their positions. Today I am
here to represent those with many faithful years of service
as Jehovah's Witnesses. We are here to deliver a message for
the children. Last week twelve lambs were delivered to the
Jehovah's Witnesses leaders known as the Governing Body. Later
that same week in St Louis, Dallas, Sacramento, Los Angeles,
Portland, Seattle, Orlando, Tampa, Nashville, Louisville, etc.in
these major cites across a symbolic lamb is being left at a
Kingdom Hall. Today we leave a lamb at this Kingdom Hall as
a reminder for those who have been silenced by Watchtower policy
when they were raped. It is bad policy that requires unauthorized
untrained men to illegally investigate the crime of child molestation.
It is bad policy that appoints child molesters as elders after
20 years of not getting caught again. It is bad policy that
puts child molesters in a position to go to any home in on
an annual basis accompanied by fellow members who do not even
know what they have done. It is bad Watchtower policy that
remains unchanged due to the inaction of Jehovah's Witnesses'
Governing Body after silentlambs, along with thousands of abuse
survivors, have begged for almost two years now, for needed
changes. Each person who participates in this effort across
, at one time, had great love for the organization of Jehovah's
Witnesses; we are saddened that we are forced to take this
action due to the stubborn actions of prideful men who lead
this church. The Jehovah's Witnesses' leadership (Governing
Body) must change their policy and must apologize to the victims
whose lives their policies have destroyed. On September 27th
many arrive in good faith to make testimony to the public and
testify before Jehovah's Witnesses Governing Body to give closure
to victims and protect our children. Victims who have been
painfully conned and threatened out of their innocence by child
molesters are now being conned and threatened into silence
by the local representatives of Jehovah's Witnesses' leadership
in Kingdom Halls such as this one around the world. These men
consistently teach their adherents that humility is the course
of wisdom yet they arrogantly stick to an unwise course that
punishes their most precious members. On September 27th in
Brooklyn , we will begin a peaceful march at Pierpoint Place
and Columbia Heights. We will end the march at the front door
of home office of Jehovah's Witnesses. We officially invite
any who decry the abuse of children to join silentlambs in
this peaceful demonstration to push for a change in policy
to protect the children. We encourage all abuse survivors to
speak out and never allow anyone to make you a silentlamb.
silentlambs, inc, . Telephone: 270-527-5350 Fax: 270-527-5351
Hotline for Jehovah's Witness victims of abuse 1-877-WTABUSE
Remote User:
Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
14:02:30
Comments
Looks like someone doesn't know their Watchtower History very
well. Marching with Signs & Placards, handing out pamphlets & fliers
to passersby = Well, My Oh My! These "wacko" tactics
are the Spiritual Heritage, the Theocratic Warfare that has
been handed down to us from our WTS FOREFATHERS from earlier
in the 20th century, OR DID YOU FORGET??? Tsk Tsk. Better get
out some of those old WT litter-chure books and study up young
fella! You don't even know the society's own history.
Remote User:
Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
14:05:16
Comments
Thanks for your hard work on this issue, as an ex JW I can
still remember the fear of being kicked out for questioning
WT policy was always the last word. Always Howard J Hrobak,
lifesupportsus@aol.com
Remote User:
Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
14:11:25
Comments
SPOKEN LIKE A REAL DUB (Jay-DUB) who no doubt is angry because
they don't have ANY SPARE TIME to do ANYTHING but go to work,
go to 5 meetings a week, and go out in service 1 or 2 times
a week, and then STUDY for those 5 meetings a week, and then
PREPARE for going out in service twice a week; AND have a family
Bible study. Yet we get to visit here and have fun, build camaraderie,
share stories, comfort & welcome "TRUE" lambs,
support the silentlambs CAUSE!! Awwwww, Poor Little Dub. Did
you take off your CHAINS in order to visit this Guestbook?
Best run along now and put your SHACKLES back on before you
get CAUGHT without them by the Pharisee/elders! +++++++++ Some
Child wrote: Who feeds you people and where do you get all
of this time? Go out, get a job, get a life! losers...
Remote User:
Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
14:17:19
Comments
LOL! @ John who wrote to RJ: "I,M ALL OVER YOU LIKE A
CHEAP JW SUIT." --- LMHO!!!!
Remote User:
Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
14:23:15
Comments
How do I go about having my name removed from Jeh. witnesses
++++++++ I don't think you can EVER get your name removed.
Even if you Disassociate yourself and/or get yourself Disfellowshipped,
the cong and the WTS keeps records on people (in the USA, I
think it is outlawed to do that in the UK). Why not call Brooklyn
and ask?
Remote User:
Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
14:25:03
Comments
hey the mole didn't come back. those repost are from lodi brother.
things toned down here in this site now. i do agree that the
few should be heard and cry out their pain, but bible thumpers
on this site? each person has their own way to say things but
i guess mole was right some lost focus. my name is tracy, that
is just the way mom spelled it but i was a victim also. my
step mom sexually molested my stepbrothers. in fact she was
having sex with the oldest who was then only 15. my younger
sister seen my stepmom kissing my younger brother who only
13 at the time and having oral sex with him. we did tell on
her but my dad couldn't believe it. the boys were to scared
to say until just a few years ago. my stepmom did stuff to
my little sister also. my stepmom at the time grew up in a
very strict witnesses family even more strict than most and
i think this what contributed to her mental illness. she had
no release early in life and then took it out on my family
to an extreme and horrible way. i was 21 before i could leave
the house and was treated like a little girl. when i fell in
love with someone they would not let me talk or date him, only
someone in good standing like my stepmom was. now time has
past and theo still talks to me but i have been with another
man and i don't feel clean enough to date him. he still wants
to marry me and no longer attends the meetings. theo begs me
to marry him but i moved in with some guy that i thought was
love but turned out to be abusive, then to escape and moved
in with another guy while theo keeps calling me to marry him,
i don't know what to do....i know he really is love with me.....our
heads in my family really got messed up. i wish everyone would
call the auburn congregation in california and ask for mike
vaughn the elder and tell them that hell was in the hall and
never has been addressed. my step mom committed suicide last
month and then i felt free to come to this site and say what
had to be said.......tracy w......
Remote User:
Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
14:35:07
Comments
Remote User:
Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
14:42:54
Comments
To all the children and woman who have suffered in the hands
of these people.You are all in my prayers.Hugs to you..hugs
to you Bill and your wife. I used to be a JW myself,I left
10 years ago.There is so many things coming out about this
organization,so this makes me very happy I left.I have a 14
yr old daughter and it would have been terrible thing to go
threw..being threatened to be DF if you say a word...those
men walking the streets and still being in good standing within
the CONG. They DF for smoking ,having sex before marriage,adultery,etc...etc....
BUT they will not DF for having sex with your child or someone's
child.All I can say is sick and God Almighty in Heaven could
not be behind that.A loving God is not like that Take care
all and God bless you all
Remote User:
Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
14:43:33
Comments
Jayson, feel free to rant. And Rich, sorry to hear about your
emails. I heard about that over at J-W.com. RMK, the man in
Calgary whose daughter died, well I think he already has a
lawsuit going. I saw something about it at Jehovahs-Witnesses.com.
Check it out. /SLC
Remote User:
Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
14:49:21
Comments
ADORABLE BOY LAMBS: Beanie babies makes Bam the Ram, he is
fabulous: Info here: http://www.ty.com/images/products/1326_lg.gif
Remote User:
Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
14:58:32
Comments
SEX OFFENDER IN MY HALL: <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36130&site=3&page=1>
Remote User:
Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
14:59:14
Comments
WSMV of Nashville has a brief article about the Anderson's
and their "march (press conference Thursday 9-5-02). You
can read it here: <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36055&page=1&site=3#485346>
Remote User:
Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
14:59:52
Comments
Another NASHVILLE, TN, REPORT on Press Conference 9-5-02! with
the Andersons and two others who showed up; along with two
TV stations and one reporter: <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36062&site=3>
Remote User:
Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
15:00:32
Comments
SEATTLE, WA, Press conference pics & report: <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36066&site=3>
Remote User:
Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
15:01:06
Comments
DALLAS, TX, press conference! You'll LOVE this!!!: <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36057&site=3>
Remote User:
Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
15:01:28
Comments
PANAMA CITY, FL, press conference report: <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36069&site=3>
Remote User:
Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
15:01:51
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ORLANDO, FL, press conference: <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36099&site=3>
Remote User:
Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
15:06:39
Comments
CENTRAL FLORIDA SILENT LAMBS (abuse survivors) DON'T BE SHY!
When you are ready to tell your story in a more public way,
you will feel EXHILARATED afterward! I promise! When you are
ready, please call this reporter. He's on standby to do a personal
story. Please contact him here: Mark I. Pinsky, Senior Reporter
- Religion, Orlando Sentinel, P.O. Box 2833, 633 North Orange
Avenue, Orlando, FL 32802-2833, Phone: 407-420-5589; EMAIL:
mpinsky@orlandosentinel.com
Remote User:
Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
15:07:29
Comments
All topics ever posted by Bill (silentlambs): <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/search.asp?site=3> If
this link doesn't work, type in silentlambs into the SEARCH
page.
Remote User:
Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
15:09:13
Comments
NEXT ADVENTURE: BLITZ the K.HALLS! Get your lambs here: Just
saw a new post at the forum with a link to some really cheap
stuffed lambs, for future reference! The forum thread, entitled "GOT
MY LAMBS" is here: <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36132&site=3> The
website to order the lambs is here. The lambs are only $1.45
each, and they are cute, too! <http://www.propac-sa.com/new.html>
Remote User:
Date:
08 Sep 2002
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Link to an Excellent Detailed Outline of the "crimes" of
the WT in the Vicki Boer child abuse trial beginning next Monday
in Canada, where Barbara Anderson will be testifying: <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36147&page=1&site=3#486723>
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Bill posted 9/6/02, several Press Conference media articles,
including TV station reports: <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36123&page=1&site=3#486624>
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HERE IS THE PRESS RELEASE which you can STILL SEND OUT TO ALL
YOUR NEWSPAPERS/RADIO/TV in YOUR CITY. Just amend the wording
where necessary. THERE IS STILL TIME TO SPREAD THE WORD ABOUT
THE MARCH 9-27-02! Bill posted the press release today, 9/6/02,
here: <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36105&site=3>
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http://www.dailyindependent.com/kynews/275911719337540.php
--- ASHLAND, KENTUCKY --- State Briefs 9/7/02 --- Group alleging
JW abuse plans march --- LOUISVILLE — A group that contends
widespread child molestation has occurred in the Jehovah's
Witnesses church said it will have a national march for alleged
victims in Louisville and other cities. --- Silentlambs, a
victims' support group, will have the march at the Jehovah's
Witnesses headquarters in Brooklyn, N.Y., on Sept. 27, said
William H. Bowen of Benton, Ky., co-founder of the group. --- "Abuse
survivors and supporters will come from around the world to
let the Jehovah's Witnesses leadership ... know we will no
longer be ignored," Bowen said in a statement. --- Bowen,
a former elder, was recently "disfellowshipped," or
excommunicated, for causing divisions in the church. He alleges
that Jehovah's Witnesses keep incidents of child molestation
secret, won't allow victims to warn other members of abusers
in their congregations, and require alleged victims to produce
a witness. Those who speak out are cut off from the church
and shunned, he said. --- J.R. Brown, the director of the media
office at the Jehovah's Witnesses headquarters, declined to
comment through an employee who would not give his name. ---
From wire service reports Copyright ©1999 -2002 The Daily
Independent, Inc. unless otherwise noted.
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PANAMA CITY --- Jehovah's Witnesses speak out --- SILENCE: Members
want changes in the way the sect handles molestation claims.
--- KEVIN PORTER THE NEWS HERALD --- http://olive.flacoast.com/Repository/getFiles.asp?Style=OliveXLib:ArticleToMail&Type=text/html&Path=NHerald/2002/09/07&ID=Ar01704
--- A Bay County Jehovah's Witness has joined a growing number
of the religious groups' members across the nation who are
speaking out against the way it handles allegations of child
molestation. --- By doing so, Steve Imhof, 54, most likely
will be disfellowshipped, which means he won't be able to talk
to family members and friends again. If Imhof violates that,
church policies call for excommunication, too. --- "We
have a great love for the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses.
We are saddened that we are forced to stand here due to the
stubborn actions of prideful men who lead this church," Imhof
said on Friday after being kicked off the premises of the Kingdom
Hall on 19 th Street in Panama City. "The Jehovah's Witness
leadership must change their policy and must apologize to the
victims whose lives their policies have destroyed." ---
A 38-year member of the tightknit group, Imhof says he is concerned
because child-sex allegations are generally not reported to
the police. Furthermore, he said victims are not allowed to
seek counseling. --- Rather, he said, they are dealt with internally.
Imhof said it's because of the beliefs' closed nature and its
insistence on handling problems internally. --- "I have
had seven children cry on my shoulder," he said. --- However,
a spokesman for the Jehovah's Witnesses home base in New York
said leaders, called elders, are not encouraged to condone
molestation. --- "People have absolutely every right to
go to the authorities," said J.R. Brown, director of public
information. "We are sorry about people feeling overlooked
and certainly for the victims." --- (SIDE NOTE from Swan
at J-W.com who said re: JR's above "apology": " What
the reporters need to ask is why when elders called HQ they
were told to cover it up if they were just overlooked? They
need to ask if it was overlooked, then why does HQ keep a database
of over 20,000 names of perps? You don't enter all of that
data into a database to overlook it." and another person
asked: "If the Society can count time down to 15-minutes,
how can they OVERLOOK something THIS HUGE?") --- Jehovah's
Witnesses are a religious sect that shuns the outside world
in many respects. They refuse to bear arms, salute the flag
or participate in secular government. --- Imhof said church
elders hear sex-abuse allegations. He said if the accuser denies
the allegations, little more can be done in a judicial way.
Congregations will continue to view the one accused as innocent.
--- For the allegations to be heard, he said, it takes two
eyewitnesses. --- "How often do children being raped have
people standing by watching?" Imhof asked. --- He said
there are many similarities between the crisis in the Catholic
Church and the one he sees amongst Jehovah's Witnesses. However,
Imhof says there is one major difference: Catholics are seeking
to correct their mistakes. --- On Sept. 27, Imhof and other
angry Jehovah's Witnesses will partake in a march through New
York that will end at the front door of the home office of
the Jehovah's Witnesses in Brooklyn. The purpose is to put
pressure on the organization to change its policies. --- Many
of the marchers belong to a group called the Silent Lamb Organization
and have been leaving symbolic lambs at Kingdom Halls across
the country, representing victims who they believe were unfairly
silenced. --- PHOTO: Steve Imhof had a white lamb doll in his
pocket Friday, and tried to leave it at the Kingdom Hall of
Jehovah's Witness on 19 th Street. The Silent Lamb Organization
uses the symbol to represent victims they believe are unfairly
silenced. --- News Herald Photos: Terry Barner Steve Imhof
has spoken out against what he says is a cover-up of sexual
abuse of children by Jehovah's Witnesses. Imhof says he will
be cast out of the group for speaking out. --- <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36123&site=3>
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PORTLAND, OREGON --- Alleged Victim Speaks Out Against Abuse
In Church --- March Planned In New York http://www.koin.com/webnews/20022/20020906_jwabuse.shtml
--- PORTLAND -- Child sex abuse victims are launching a national
campaign against the Jehovah's Witness church. --- Demonstrations
were staged Thursday in 16 cities, including Portland. ---
A former member of a Portland-area church claims she was abused.
She told KOIN 6 News that church policies make it very difficult
to report. --- "Pedophiles know they can be hidden in
this organization because of the privacy they have," Pat
Garza said. --- Victims are formally requesting an investigation
into abuse allegations. --- They ask all victims to come forward
and join in a national march later this month in New York to
raise awareness. --- Posted: Sept. 6, 2002 --- All Material
Copyright 2001-2002, KOIN or by original content developer
--- <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36213&page=1&site=3#487851>
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SEATTLE TV NEWS COVERAGE: The KOMO TV 4 Interview --- This
was GREAT! They had an elder who knew of one such case speak
to the reporter. And, the poor victim began to cry telling
her story! Also fantastic was they showed the WT website where
it says "two witnesses" are needed! ---You can download
it and watch the VIDEO here: http://www.seattle-chat.com/video
--- The KOMO TV 4 Interview. <http://www.seattle-chat.com/video/> ---
Write to the reporter: Tracy Vedder to say thanks: TracyV@komotv.com
---- <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36160&site=3>
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NASHVILLE, TENNESSE, TV NEWS COVERAGE --- WKRN.COM --- http://www.wkrn.com/Global/story.asp?S=924294&nav=1ugBB5Z1
--- Sexual Abuse Allegations Within Jehovah's Witness Denomination
--- Reporter: Wisdom Martin --- There are new allegations that
a religious denomination is turning a blind eye to sexual abuse.
This time, it is the Jehovah's Witnesses who stand accused.
--- "For me, it took away any concept of trust in religious
figures, authority figures, and parental figures." ---
The woman who spoke to News 2 does not wish to be identified.
She is a former Jehovah's Witness who claims she was abused
when she was just 8-years-old by a congregation member. But
when she spoke out, she said nothing was done. The women said
she was also abused by a member of her congregation. --- "They
act like they are the law, they can take care of it. Something
like this, it's abuse, and they shouldn't be the ones taking
care of it." --- Now, women like Barbara Anderson are
ready to fight for change in the religion, so they've formed
a victim's rights group called Silent Lambs. They believe the
Jehovah's Witness sexual abuse polices are inadequate and harm
children. --- "We believe they are responsible for policies
that make it possible for perverted people to come into this
organization to get at Jehovah's witness children," Barbara
said. --- "We should of all persons, being Christians
going by the bible, we should do the right thing for these
abuse victims," said Joe Anderson. --- Joe Anderson was
a Jehovah's Witness elder for over 50 years. --- "In the
organization, you have to have two witnesses, and of course
it's almost impossible to have two witnesses to a child molestation.
So if a parent comes with their daughter to the elder, they
ask and he says, no, I didn't do it, then that's the end of
the matter." --- "I would like to see them recognize
it, take it to the civil authorities and professionals that
are capable and qualified to help the victims." --- News
2 contacted the Jehovah's Witness national office in NY, but
they did not return our calls. The Silent Lambs organization
will hold a march to bring awareness to their cause September
27th in Brooklyn, NY. --- News 2 at 5
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TUCSON, ARIZONA, PRESS COVERAGE: Tucson, AZ --- WE'VE BEEN
HEARING THE PAST FEW MONTHS ABOUT CONCERNS OVER COVER-UPS OF
CHILD MOLESTATION IN THE Catholic Church. ---TODAY, MEMBERS
OF ANOTHER RELIGION ARE COMING FORWARD WITH SIMILAR ALLEGATIONS.
THEY TALKED TO US DURING A DEMONSTRATION AT ONE OF SEVERAL
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS KINGDOM HALLS NATIONWIDE. --- KINDRA HAS
BEEN A JEHOVAH'S WITNESS FOR DECADES. SHE SAYS AS A CHILD,
A FAMILY MEMBER MOLESTED HER. SHE TOLD HER PARENTS, AND HER
PARENTS WENT TO THE ELDERS AT THEIR KINGDOM HALL. SHE SAYS
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ARE TOLD NOT TO GO TO THE POLICE WITH ACCUSATIONS
AGAINST A FELLOW MEMBER. --- I was told not to do that I was
supposed to leave it in the elders hands that they would pray
and they did prayer when I was there and that Jehovah would
take care of it , and it kept happening, so as a child you
only do what you're told. --- TODAY, KINDRA AND ANOTHER JEHOVAH'S
WITNESS CAME TO THE KINGDOM HALL AT 29TH AND ROSEMONT TO DELIVER
A SYMBOLIC LAMB - REPRESENTING THE MANY CHILDREN THEY SAY ARE
SILENCED BY JEHOVAH'S WITNESS POLICY. THE SAME THING HAPPENED
IN NEARLY A DOZEN CITIES NATIONWIDE. --- I have nothing against
the religion - I still want to attend. I want to do this for
the children and change policies so that someone doesn't have
to go through what i went through. --- JOHN BROWN SAYS THE
RELIGION FORBIDS PUNISHMENT OF AN ACCUSED MOLESTER WHO DENIES
ALLEGATIONS UNLESS THERE IS ANOTHER EYEWITNESS TO THE ABUSE.
--- But there never is unless somebody walks in on accident,
a parent, while the perpetrator is committing the act. ---
THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESS REPRESENTATIVES WE TALKED TO DID NOT
WANT TO GO ON CAMERA. BUT ONE TOLD US THE ALLEGATIONS ARE RIDICULOUS.
HE SAYS JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ARE ONE OF THE MOST LAW-ABIDING
GROUPS IN THE WORLD. HE ALSO MAINTAINS THEY DO NOT HAVE A POLICY
OF SILENCING VICTIMS. --- KINDRA AND JOHN TELL US THEY CAN
BE DISFELLOWSHIPPED, WHICH IS LIKE BEING EXCOMMUNICATED, FOR
SPEAKING OUT - BUT THEY THINK IT'S WORTH IT. THEY ANNOUNCED
A MARCH FOR VICTIMS, COMING UP SEPTEMBER 27TH IN BROOKLYN,
NY, WHERE THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESS HEADQUARTERS IS LOCATED. --- <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36123&page=1&site=3#486624>
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NASHVILLE, TENNESSEE, MORE PRESS COVERAGE --- 09.05.02 ---
Nashville, TN --- http://www.wsmv.com/Global/story.asp?S=923786&nav=1TcRB5AO
--- Former church members march in protest --- People say they
were molested as a child by a Jehovah's Witness --- by James
Lewis --- Sex and religion make for a potent mix. And Thursday,
some Jehovah's Witnesses are being targeted by former members
about charges of child sexual abuse. They claim elders are
covering it up. The worst part is that women say it's been
going on for years. --- The best part is that it is now public,
and they have hope that the problem may be addressed publicly
by Jehovah's Witnesses. At the Jehovah's Witness Kingdom Hall
in Nashville, former member Barbara Anderson left a small stuffed
lamb. It's her symbol of innocence lost. As a writer for the
organization in NY, says she discovered multiple charges of
sexual abuse being hushed up. --- "They're kind of isolated
in their ivory tower and they do believe that all the world
is controlled by Satan, that theirs is God's organization.
They can make the rules," said Barbara Anderson. --- Nationwide
Thursday in 16 major cities, demonstrations like this called
for change within the religious organization. --- "It
was from another member who was there," said "Lisa",
who was abused when she was young. --- Lisa, not her real name,
says as a 9-year-old child she was molested by a Jehovah's
Witness. Despite telling the church - no one within the organization
reported it to police. --- "Now that you're an adult,
Lisa, what would you like to say to your attacker?" asked
Channel 4 Reporter James Lewis. --- "I really feel sorry
for him because as an adult I feel sorry that he has went through
them because of his own way of trying to cover it up," said "Lisa".
--- Former member Joe Anderson grieves for his former friends,
but he sees hope that recent exposures will correct some wrongs.
--- "Something is going to be done about it. And something
has been done about it to a certain degree. But certainly more
needs to be done but yeah I am happy to see them coming out
with this," said Joe Anderson. --- Channel 4 News attempted
to contact the presiding elders at the Jehovah's Witnesses,
but none of them returned our calls. --- For more information
about this cause, visit the www.SilentLambs.org web site.
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SEATTLE, WASHINGTON -- TV REPORT/TRANSCRIPT --- Seattle, WA
--- New Allegations Of A Church Keeping Quiet About Child Sexual
Abuse --- By Tracy Vedder --- http://www.komotv.com/stories/20208.htm
--- - There are new allegations of a Church keeping quiet about
child sexual abuse. But this time, it's a different church
-- the Jehovah's Witnesses. --- Members from and across the
country are beginning a campaign to put pressure on Church
elders to change. --- They call themselves silent lambs --
Jehovah's Witnesses who say they were sexually molested and
then forced by Church elders to keep silent. --- "Both
my sister and I were abused by my stepfather," says Betty,
who only wants us to use her first name. --- Jehovah's Witnesses
require two witnesses to any alleged crime or sin. So as a
child, Betty never told anyone. She kept quiet until she found
out her little sister was also being molested. --- "I
knew that if I didn't speak up, nobody was going to help her," says
Betty. "I kept having nightmares that she was being molested
and I couldn't move, I couldn't help her so I had to do something." ---
But Betty says when she told church elders she was going to
the police, they forced her to stay silent. Although that incident
took place in another state, she says now that she is talking
about it here in western , she will be kicked out and shunned
by her friends and family. --- "And it hurts," sobs
Betty, "because I really believed in it." --- Members
of the Ravenna Kingdom Hall, where members of Silent Lambs
gathered to protest, did not return phone calls. The Jehovah's
Witnesses' headquarters says it is reviewing the situation.
A spokesman referred us to their Web site, which says it is
a victim's right to report abuse to police. --- But former
elder Bruce Baker says church attorneys pressured him not to
report child molestation. He is now part of a national movement
trying to force Jehovah's Witnesses to change. --- "They
basically, in a sense, have protected pedophiles within the
group," says Baker. He says Jehovah's Witnesses simply
excommunicate members who have molested, rather than turning
them over to police and, he says, "they continue to molest
children. They should have been reported years ago and they
weren't." --- The Silent Lambs group hopes Jehovah's Witnesses
will take a lesson from the Catholic Church and deal with the
issue of sexual abuse openly. --- Silent Lambs announced plans
Thursday for a nationwide march on Jehovah's Witnesses headquarters
to protest policies on child rape cases. The march is scheduled
for Sept. 27 in Brooklyn, NY. --- <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36123&page=1&site=3#486624>
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SEATTLE TIMES coverage of Press Conference --- 'Silentlambs'
speak out about sex abuse Full story: --- http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/texis/web/vortex/display?slug=jehovah06m&date=20020906
--- By Christine Clarridge --- Seattle Times staff reporter
--- Several former Jehovah's Witnesses stood outside a Kingdom
Hall church near Green Lake yesterday with a tiny toy lamb
whose mouth was covered with black electrician's tape. ---
The symbolically silenced lamb ? delivered to the door of the
fellowship hall ? represented the 5,000 members of the 6 million-member
church who claim to have been sexually abused by leaders or
others in the church. They further claim to have been silenced
or ignored when they sought the church's guidance and protection.
--- The news conference was one of about 16 across the country
called to bring attention to "silentlambs," an organization
planning a march on church headquarters in New York on Sept.
27. --- Started by a former church member who said he was dismayed
by the way the church covered up allegations of abuse, silentlambs
is calling for changes in church policies. --- "We want
to open the doors, " said Bruce Baker, a former Jehovah's
Witness leader in Oregon. "We want Watchtower headquarters
to turn cases of abuse within the church over to the police
and let the police handle it.'' --- National church leaders
could not be reached for comment, but a spokesman recently
told The New York Times that the church's policies on sexual
abuse were based on the Bible and were exemplary. --- "We're
not trying to say we handled everybody in the right way and
our elders are all-knowing, all-perfect. But we say, if you
take what our policy is for keeping our organization clean
morally, it far outpaces anybody else's," spokesman J.R.
Brown said. --- Jehovah's Witnesses is a Christian denomination
that emphasizes biblical literalism and the imminent end of
the world. Members are best-known in the secular world for
giving out religious tracts and for not celebrating holidays
and birthdays or allowing blood transfusions. --- Former members
said the church's policies and culture conspire to conceal
abuse. --- The small group of activists in Seattle included
several ex-church members who have been "disfellowshipped" or
excommunicated, as well as one woman who claimed the church
did nothing to protect her and her sister when they came forward
with claims of abuse. --- She said she went to her church leaders
to ask for help because her stepfather, who had also sexually
abused her, was abusing her younger sister. --- Her stepfather,
who has since been disfellowshipped by the church, never paid
a legal price for what she said were years of abuse. --- The
scope of abuse within the denomination is a matter of debate.
The church has recently been sued by eight people in four lawsuits
around the country ? including one filed in Spokane ? alleging
abuse. --- According to Bill Bowen, founder of silentlambs,
there have been more than 5,000 current or former members nationwide
who say that the church mishandled allegations of child sexual
abuse. --- Christine Clarridge: 206-464-8983 or cclarridge@seattletimes.com.
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SEATTLE VIDEO PART #2 --- Seattle Press Conference Behind the
Scenes now up ---- http://www.seattle-chat.com/video it is
in Real Media format, if you don't have real player, then you
can download the player for free from http://www.real.com Using
this from now on, as it looks better, and compresses better.
--- 4.1MB --- <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36237&site=3>
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TENNESEEAN.COM - PRESS COVERAGE --- Friday, 09/06/02 ---Middle
Tennessee News & Information --- Couple to protest Jehovah's
Witnesses --- by BILL STEBER / STAFF --- Barbara Anderson,
a former Jehovah's Witness, places a toy lamb on the front
doors of the Kingdom Hall on Bell Road as part of a national
protest by ex-Witnesses who say the denomination has covered
up child sexual abuse by members. --- By LEON ALLIGOOD, Staff
Writer --- Placing a symbolic stuffed lamb on the steps of
a suburban Jehovah's Witness Kingdom Hall, a Coffee County
couple yesterday said they will help lead a protest march Sept.
27 at the headquarters of the denomination in Brooklyn, N.Y.
--- ''We are going to let the whole nation know what is going
on behind closed doors. There is a massive coverup under way,
and we're not going to stand for it,'' said Barbara Anderson
of Manchester, Tenn. --- Anderson and her husband, Joe, made
the announcement yesterday at a Kingdom Hall on Bell Road.
The Coffee County couple have received national attention since
May for questioning how Jehovah's Witnesses have responded
to allegations of child sexual abuse. --- Yesterday's news
conference was one of 16 held in major cities across the country
to announce the Sept. 27 march, which is expected to attract
a hundred or more supporters. The meetings were arranged by
''Silentlambs,'' a support group for Jehovah's Witnesses who
say they have been abuse victims. --- The Andersons have been
disfellowshipped by the Kingdom Hall in Tullahoma, Tenn., where
they attended. Disfellowshipping, the equivalent of excommunication,
is the harshest punishment handed down by the organization
against members. Shunning is included as part of the punishment,
which separates families. --- ''You just can't imagine what
this has been like for us. We can't see our grandchild any
more. Our son and daughter-in-law won't allow it,'' Joe Anderson
said. --- Attending the Nashville news conference yesterday
were two local women who said they were abused as girls by
members of their respective Kingdom Halls. --- ''We're speaking
out now, as young women in our 20s, because we realize that
what happened to us was wrong and that we are not alone. There
are many of us who are suffering,'' one woman said. The Tennessean
does not reveal identities of reported victims of sex crimes
without consent. --- A spokesman for the New York-based Watchtower
Bible and Tract Society, the umbrella organization that is
headquarters for Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide, said they were
aware of the planned march later this month. --- ''But we won't
issue a statement until that day,'' said a man who answered
the phone in the press office at Watchtower headquarters. He
asked that any statements be attributed to the organization's
spokesman, J.R. Brown. --- Leon Alligood covers Tennessee for
The Tennessean. Contact him at (615) 259-8279 or by e-mail
at lalligood@tennessean.com.
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LOUISVILLE, KENTUCKY, PRESS COVERAGE: --- http://www.courier-journal.com/localnews/2002/09/06/ke090602s271650.htm
--- Local/Regional» News Item --- Friday, September 6,
2002 --- Group to march for molested children --- Jehovah's
Witnesses want church to alter its policy, apologize --- By
Darla Carter --- dcarter@courier-journal.com --- The Courier-Journal
--- (Picture of Bill in a SL Teeshirt, holding the pink lamb)
--- William H. Bowen of silentlambs, a group for abuse victims
in the Jehovah's Witnesses church, left a stuffed lamb and
a flier at Kingdom Hall on Lower River Road protesting church
policies. --- PHOTOS BY MICHAEL HAYMAN --- (Picture of the
pink lamb with mouth sewn shut) --- Stuffed lambs, here at
Kingdom Hall in southern Jefferson County, were left at Jehovah's
Witnesses churches across the country yesterday. --- An event
being billed as the first national march for victims of child
molestation within the Jehovah's Witnesses church was announced
yesterday in Louisville and other cities around the country.
--- Silentlambs, a victims' support group, will hold the march
at the Jehovah's Witnesses headquarters in Brooklyn, N.Y.,
on Sept. 27, said William H. Bowen of Benton, Ky., cofounder
of the group. --- ''Abuse survivors and supporters will come
from around the world to let the Jehovah's Witnesses leadership
. . . know we will no longer be ignored,'' Bowen said in a
statement. --- He left a pink stuffed animal in the shape of
a lamb on the door of a Jehovah's Witnesses church in southern
Jefferson County as a symbol of victims everywhere that his
group says have been silenced by church policy. The gesture
was repeated in every city where the march was announced, from
Los Angeles to Orlando, Fla. --- Bowen, a former elder who
was recently ''disfellowshipped,'' or excommunicated, for causing
divisions in the church, alleges that Jehovah's Witnesses keep
incidents of child molestation secret, won't allow victims
to warn other members of abusers in their congregations, and
require alleged victims to produce a witness. Those who speak
out are cut off from the church and shunned, he said. --- ''The
Jehovah's Witnesses leadership (Governing Body) must change
their policy and must apologize to the victims whose lives
their policies have destroyed,'' Bowen said in the statement.
''On September 27th we arrive in good faith to make testimony
to the public and testify before Jehovah's Witnesses Governing
Body to give closure to victims and protect our children.''
--- Bowen, who helped found silentlambs in spring 2001, said
his group has been contacted by 5,000 alleged victims, many
of whom have said, ''I thought I was all alone.'' The group,
which has a hot line and a Web site -- (877) 982-2873 and www.silentlambs.org <http://www.silentlambs.org> --
provides emotional support, advice and a sense that someone
believes them, Bowen said. --- J.R. Brown, the director of
the media office at the Jehovah's Witnesses headquarters, declined
to comment through an employee who would not give his name.
--- In the past, officials with the Jehovah's Witnesses have
said they abhor child molestation, report cases to authorities
in states that require such reports and allow members to report
fellow members to police. --- Bowen said he plans to push for
legislation in Kentucky that would require clergy to report
alleged abuse to police. --- ''I would like for every single
child molester in the church to be turned in,'' he said.
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DON'T FORGET TROOPERS! Now we need to write a THANK YOU to
all of these newspaper, TV, and radio reporters & stations
to THANK THEM for their coverage of the SILENT LAMBS PRESS
CONFERENCES last Thursday 9-5-02!!! Most of the articles have
either a link and/or an email addy with them. THANKS!!! /SLC
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UNITED KINGDOM RESIDENTS!!! BILL IS COMING YOUR WAY 9-16-02!!!
WILL YOU SUPPORT SILENT LAMBS? Read about it here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36258&site=3
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Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
16:22:55
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WHEN BUYING stuffed lambs to place at KHalls in your city and/or
to send to NY: Here's what Bill wrote: "Try your local
walmart, they have some in stock for a reasonable cost. You
might also try goodwill or second hand stores, the more beat
up damaged the better. Much the way abuse survivors are treated
within the congregation. silentlambs" (Also Toys-R-Us,
Salvation Army Stores, etc.)
Remote User:
Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
16:40:00
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Tracy W . . . .sounds like you have been through more than
enough for one lifetime. Remember the best revenge is LIVING
WELL. So whatever it takes to make your life happy and better
---do it. If you can get some counseling or read some self
help books---do it. I personally like Dr Laura---10 Stupid
Things Women Do to Mess Up Their Lives. But whatever makes
you feel whole again and worthy---do it. Do it today---Change
your life while you're still young.
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Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
17:38:29
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Tracy W . . . .sounds like you have been through more than
enough for one lifetime. Remember the best revenge is LIVING
WELL. So whatever it takes to make your life happy and better
---do it. If you can get some counseling or read some self
help books---do it. I personally like Dr Laura---10 Stupid
Things Women Do to Mess Up Their Lives. But whatever makes
you feel whole again and worthy---do it. Do it today---Change
your life while you're still young.
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Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
19:46:13
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hi my name is Kathy Engwis{katiakatia54@aol.com } i was recently
disfellowshipped after 25yrs of whole souled service. i was
molested as a child but not by anyone in the W.T org. the affects
of my abuse eventually affected my ability to attend meeting
regularly as well as an hourly decline in the door to door
service. the elders lack of loving compassion stunned me!! soon
i was no longer invited to gatherings,asked out in service
etc. so i ended up visiting the SDA church [SIMILAR TEACHINGS}and
for those who were jw's know i must have been desperate for
christ like love!!!!! so because i would not agree to stop
visiting the church they disfellowshipped me! just like that!
those who are still jw's don't realize how dispensable they
really are. just remember this there is freedom in christ.
thank you for all you've done, your journey has been a tough
one but God would not have put it in your heart if he didn't
think you were the right man for the job. God bless.
Remote User:
Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
21:03:33
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what's the story every time I write a good post it get's lost
it's like I'm wasting my time i wrote such a good post to no
name my cross fell off my neck. I will be at the march, but
I have to live my life and stop spending all my free time trying
to help JW's. I want to live my life in peace with Christ.
John
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Date:
08 Sep 2002
Time:
21:38:29
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This is directed toward all the JW defenders who feel the need
to leave messages on this guest book: Why are you signing onto
this website if you believe that we are apostate? Isn't that
against the JW's rules? What would the elders say?
Remote User:
Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
05:35:26
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Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
06:06:55
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its great to hear Depeche Mode tracks on the 'behind the scenes'
press conference download. I hope all goes well with the march
in Brooklyn. Rich
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Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
08:01:53
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I am still looking for someone that knows of J.W.s viewing,
showing or making porn with children. Contact me at cosmicjill@planetkc.com.
Thank you& peace to all, jill
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Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
09:39:25
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RE: MORE LOCAL SILENTLAMBS ACTIVITY IN YOUR CITY: Per Bill's
above post (from Sunday) asking everyone to STILL take time
to deliver lambs and/or hold press conferences in ALL OF YOUR
OWN CITIES... ----- Please go to this tread <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36269&page=1&site=3#489126> -----
as a lady is ordering LAMBS IN BULK which you can then get
from her for your local area. The lambs are either 10" or
12" with a little a "www.silentlambs.org" tie
that will tie around their necks, and for $1.64 EACH! plus
postage to your address. Please go to the above thread now
if you would like to put in your "dubs" for some
of these lambs. She is ordering 100 of them! THANKS/SLC
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Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
09:53:19
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WATCHTOWER FINED $50,000.00 BY THE ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION
AGENCY FOR POLLUTING! You can order your own copy from here:
(FOIL) Freedom of Information Law --- New York State Department
of Environmental Conservation --- Division of Environmental
Enforcement, 14th Floor --- 625 Broadway, Albany, New York
12233-5500 --- Since Watchtower attempted to "ruin the
earth" they were required to post $25,000.00 Bond in their
Cleanup effort. If Watchtower continues to comply with the
law of the land, $20,000.00 of the $50,000.00 FINE is suspended.
----- You can read more about it here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36270&page=1&site=3#489139
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Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
10:07:28
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IS CELEBRATING YOUR BIRTHDAY the SAME as CREATURE WORSHIP?
You be the judge: A FUNNY picture here: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36284&page=1&site=3#489150
Remote User:
Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
12:53:03
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HOW MANY MORE???? --- EXCELLENT ARTICLE with the INSIDE STORY
of the HQ's HISTORY RE: CHILD ABUSE --- http://blogs.salon.com/0001138/2002/09/04.html---
Wednesday, September 04, 2002 --- By Michael Morris --- How
many more times must children of Jehovah's Witnesses suffer
the humiliation and agony of sexual abuse before church leaders
decide to change their policies? How many more lives must be
broken? --- It is not a question of whether charges of such
abuse in the group have reached the ears of the leaders of
the 6 million-member sect, which includes a million members
in the US. One of those magazines in the hand of the earnest
Jehovah's Witness at your door on a Saturday morning, Awake!,
in the October 8, 1991 issue, featured a cover series on the
problem of child sexual abuse in modern society. The series
was in response to an influx of letters from members, recounting
their tales of abuse and their concerns about its handling
in the church. --- Barbara Anderson, 62, of Tullahoma, Tennessee,
was a staff member for Awake! at that time. She recalled in
a recent interview that this October 8 issue seemed to give
voice to a newfound tolerance toward psychotherapy, and displayed
a previously unheard-of willingness to consider the validity
of ?repressed memories? in assessing charges of abuse. It was
a ray of hope, a glimmer of progressive thinking in an insular
and secretive group. --- Nowhere did such thinking find more
opposition than in the very building that published it. The
governing body member who administered the writing department,
Lloyd Barry, now deceased, and the governing body member who
oversaw the Service Department, in charge of the congregations,
Ted Jaracz, were entrenched in battle. When elders, lay ministers
in the congregations, called in confusion to the service department,
they were told, according to Anderson, that the magazine was
?a mistake.? --- Mistake or not, Awake! opened the floodgates
and a torrent of correspondence came into the group?s Brooklyn
Heights headquarters. J. R. Brown, now spokesman for the group,
was working in the writing department at that time, and personally
passed on information to the governing body concerning this
influx of response. In a recent interview, he acknowledged
that these letters included claims that cases of child sexual
abuse brought to the elders were ?not handled properly? and
that members were told that they ?should not make this known.?
--- By early 1992, just months after the publication of the
October 8, 1991 Awake!, the accusations of mishandled cases
of child sexual abuse had reached a new level. According to
Anderson, ?some of the governing body were aware in 1992 that
there were confessed or convicted pedophiles, who claimed repentance,
holding positions of authority in the organization.? Meanwhile,
abuse survivors who were able to muster the courage to come
forward were being met with ?skepticism or downright hostility.?
--- Ten years ago, if not earlier, church leaders knew that
widespread allegations of child sexual abuse were coming in
from their own members. --- It is also not a question of whether
the group?s policies in handling allegations of abuse internally
could lead to an abuser finding protection instead of accountability.
The Witnesses live under the simple delusion that all outsiders
are co-conspirators with Satan, so when faced with a serious
problem members turn to their untrained lay ministers: the
congregation elders. These men, appointed by Holy Spirit (by
way of headquarters), wield the Holy Scriptures, rendering
them ?completely equipped? (1 Timothy 3:15, 16) for whatever
problems members may have to bring to them, including child
sexual abuse. The criterion for evaluating any charge is likewise
simple and scriptural, if daunting (Deuteronomy 19:15): there
must be two eyewitnesses. --- The elders cross-examine the
alleged victim -- often still a minor -- about the intimate
details of the act. The intent is to identify what level of
sin the charge entails, and whether the victim was somehow
complicit in the act, by wearing seductive clothing or failing
to scream while being raped. They may even require the accuser
to face the accused and repeat the charge. When the accused
denies wrongdoing, the elders then must ask for the nearly
impossible burden of proof of two eyewitnesses to be met. Failing
that, they declare the accused innocent before God. They also
remind the accuser that malicious gossip ? like spreading accusations
of abuse against someone whom God has declared innocent ? could
result in their expulsion from the congregation, and subsequent
shunning by family, friends and God himself. Then, they close
with prayer. --- The governing body codified such procedures
in the secret elder?s manual Pay Attention to Yourselves and
All the Flock, though it is obvious that such a burden of proof
could provide a de facto shelter for secretive child sex abusers.
The result for many is that victims are silenced while abusers
are exonerated. The abuse continues. --- Witness leaders also
cannot feign ignorance to the dangers of having known child
sex abusers in positions of authority in the group, or having
them preaching in their emblematic door-to-door ministry. Instead,
the seemed to move in a direction of excluding penitent pedophiles
from leadership privileges, though explicitly prescribing evangelism
as a token of faith even for convicted child sex offenders.
--- Both issues were addressed in the other journal published
by the group, The Watchtower of January 1, 1997. It stated,
for the first time, that a ?known? molester ?would not qualify
for congregation privileges,? such as becoming an elder or
ministerial servant (deacon). However, a secret letter to all
bodies of elders three months later, on March 14, 1997, quietly
backpedaled: ?An individual ?known? to be a former child molester
has reference to the perception of that one in the community
and in the Christian congregation.? As for determining whether
those already in a position of authority had a history of molestation,
the letter directed that ?the body of elders should not query
individuals.? --- Unknown to the faithful, who would have taken
the Watchtower as gospel, molesters could remain in positions
of authority at all levels of the organization. The contents
of that letter, though leaked on the Internet, remain a secret
to the lay members of the group. ?It was explained to the elders,?
said Brown, ?and it is not a part of our standard way of handling
things to always inform every detail of matters to the congregation
in general. What is stated there [in the January 1, 1997 Watchtower]
and the way it?s stated there, without the clarification, is
certainly what happens most of the time.? --- The same issue
of The Watchtower insured that not even a history of criminal
child sexual abuse would exclude a penitent member from being
required to engage in the Witnesses public preaching activity.
Speaking of a molester who may have recently been released
from prison, it states, ?if he seems to be repentant, he will
be encouraged to make spiritual progress [and] share in the
field ministry.? --- Brown reassured that a penitent predatory
pedophile might be offered alternatives to going door-to-door,
at the discretion of the local elders. "We consider just
as valid if he sits on a bench in a mall with magazines and
offers them to people there. Or, if he calls up on a telephone." ---
As a matter of policy, the governing body stipulated that known
child molesters may hold positions of authority in the church
and that even criminal child sex offenders must engage in public
preaching. --- Underscoring all of this is the refusal of church
leaders to simply instruct their members to call civil authorities
when allegations of child sexual abuse arise. Instead, a February
15, 2002 letter to all bodies of elders in the United States
proffers the advice to immediately call the group?s Legal Department
whenever facing allegations of child sexual abuse in the congregation.
The letter clarifies that the elders should ?never suggest
to anyone that they should not report an allegation of child
abuse to the police or other authorities.? The simple advice
that it may be the parents? legal obligation to notify authorities,
as caretakers of the minor, is never mentioned. Nor is a list
of states that mandate reporting of abuse by clerics provided
to the elders by their leaders, even though the US government
maintains such information, and published it at the National
Clearinghouse on Child Abuse and Neglect Information ( http://www.calib.com/nccanch/
--- Why not encourage psychotherapy, take child sexual abuse
out of the hands of untrained elders, refuse to allow know
molesters to be in positions of authority, exclude them from
public ministry, and inform parents of their obligation to
notify authorities of allegations of abuse? Why not adopt a
policy of informing authorities of possible child endangerment
regardless of local statute? Why not take the moral high ground
on child sexual abuse, when you presume to take God?s name
as your own? --- The leadership of Jehovah's Witnesses knows
that today -- maybe even right now -- there is a child trembling
beneath the hands of a child sex abuser among their members.
They know that maybe a change in their policies could put an
end to that, but they refuse to act in a way that consistently
places child sexual abuse under those who are trained to deal
with it. What do they have to hide? How many more victims,
and how many more unspeakable acts will it take for them to
see the need to change? How many more little children have
to die inside to try to escape the horrid plague that their
moral leaders are afraid to confront? --- One child is too
many. Two survivors of child sexual abuse among Jehovah's Witnesses
already dwell under my roof. How many more will it take? ---
E-mail Michael to comment on this article, here: mikepence@yahoo.com
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Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
12:57:01
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WHAT HAS J.R. BROWN BEEN SAYING? Read all of JR BROWN's comments
on the PEDOPHILE ISSUE compiled into one nice compact thread
here: <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36289&site=3>
Remote User:
Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
12:58:15
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ARE YOU GETTING CONFUSED on what the WTS says or does regarding
CHILD ABUSE CASES? Here's a SIMPLE, CLEAR CUT OUTLINE, in 1-2-3
FORMAT: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36289&site=3
Remote User:
Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
12:59:26
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FEELING LIKE you CAN'T KEEP UP WITH ALL OF THE MEDIA COVERAGE
RE: SILENT LAMBS? Here is ONE thread where it has all been
brought together: <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=35836&site=3>
Remote User:
Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
13:00:56
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UNITED KINGDOM FOLKS! SILENT LAMBS is having a PRESS CONFERENCE
NEXT WEEK at the BRANCH OFFICE: <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36258&site=3> (If
this is a repost, sorry!)
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Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
13:01:45
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The GOVERNING BODY v. SILENT LAMBS??? What do YOU THINK will
happen? <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36247&site=3>
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Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
13:02:40
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BIBLE PROPHECY & SILENT LAMBS? What are people saying/thinking? <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36275&page=1&site=3#489237>
Remote User:
Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
13:13:59
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BOER v WTS SEX ABUSE TRIAL in CANADA BEGAN TODAY (where Barbara
Anderson will be testifying): Here's the first post from 9-6-02: <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36147&site=3> and
this one from today, 9-9-02: <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36310&page=1&site=3#489311>
Remote User:
Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
13:31:26
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WOW! Thanks for all the responses. I didn't know that little
old RJ could cause such a ruckus! You guys have not let me
down. This little experiment I have been running over the past
few weeks has proven my point. The point being that you guys
are no better than the JW's you are bashing. You see we both
seem to take issue with some things. You take issue with injustice
at the hands of certain individuals. You in turn take the injustice
you have suffered at the hands of a few (the few being by no
means the majority of JW's) and then try to make us all look
bad. That is what I have taken exception to. If you have noticed
I have NEVER posted anything that even claims that abuse has
not occurred within our organization, I have not even condoned
it. That is because I do not condone it! I sincerely feel sorry
for any child that has suffered abuse no matter what religion
they belong too. I however am outraged that I too must suffer
the injustice of being branded a child molester simply because
I am a JW. This is because of the language coming from the
angry posts that whether you will admit it or not is intentionally
done to make us all look bad. You have taken your anger against
the few and turned it against the masses!That is exactly what
this site and this room would have everyone believe. Everyone
talks about feelings in here and the innocent, but I am here
to tell you that I am not a child molester but because I am
a JW and don't agree with the way everyone is going about things
in here I am branded as one. i.e., Sheila Madonia and her accusation
that I am "probably a perv" Sheila where is your
witness to that? John and others have defended everyone's right
to be mad at the way they were treated, I have never questioned
that right, what I have questioned is branding all of us bad
because of the actions of a few. Your definitions of "innocent" would
then apply to me as one who has never committed such an horrific
act. Sheila, John, RMK and others you have responded to me
in the same way you condemn JW's for, with anger, selective
shunning, with abusive speech and accusations. Who is better
than who? John do you have the right to be angry and I don't?
Do you have the right to degrade JW's and it is OK, but I can't
dare say anything against your cause? Talk about double standards!
This is the entire point behind my posts. They have proved
that we are all in the same boat. We are all sinners, weak
and imperfect. If you can't practice what you preach as you
claim is common among JW's then your cause is no more worthy
than ours. What if those who made up the main part of this
room were calling the shots, would you expect me to be any
more confident in you than in the GB? We all feel strongly
about something in here. I feel strongly that I am walking
in the way of Jehovah, I feel confident that any injustice
will be taken care of by Jehovah, even if it is within the
governing body. This is the nature of imperfect beings, mistakes
happen, and things have always been taken care of within Jehovah's
people. When I say "people" I mean anyone claiming
to worship God in truth. The Israelites constantly received
reproof and discipline. I am sorry if anyone in here has personally
been hurt in the past or by abuse. Remember though that I did
not personally do it, I am as innocent as you claim to be and
it is not fair to be branded by your hot irons. Would it be
fair if a member of your family was arrested on either false
or true charges and then the rest of the town lynched your
entire family because of his actions? That is what you are
trying to do to me and other faithful JW's. We are decent people
as a whole who try to live by Bible standards but I am evil
because I am a JW. That is my point. I do not expect you to
understand this reasoning because quite simply I believe that
some in here do not care about the way I feel. Before you respond
remember that you came to this site because you were just looking
for someone who cared about your feelings and could express
your voice. I will refrain from making any posts that are sarcastic
or off subject as long as the rest of my innocent brothers
are not blasphemed in the way you condemn us for. <***TROLLMAN***> RJ
Remote User:
Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
14:39:13
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Trollman, What you really need to do is realize there is some
people will think that all JW's are pedophiles, not everyone
thinks that. It is a concern why you take this to heart though.
We are just trying to change the policy on how this certain
subject is handled. You have to admit, when there is a pedophile
concerned, he is not going to have any witnesses around when
he abuses a child. We don't want you or any other innocent
JW to be attacked. But, Trollman, if you are aware, and other
JW's are aware, that this is going on then maybe this alone
might make a difference. I sincerely doubt it though. You need
to stop attacking us and really sincerely walk in Jesus's footsteps.
Did not Jesus say "let the children come to me"?
As a brother, you should have some compassion in your heart.
I don't see it anywhere in your letters. I believe you are
lacking in this. Trollman, better get that checked out. You,
need to put yourself in our shoes for just one second. It is
not a sin to do this, you know. And realize that this website
is for children being abused. We are walking in Jesus footsteps.
We want the children to be able to come to us. The ones that
are being abused need us very badly. And you are making them
feel like they are doing something wrong. Just like the elders
made them feel. Stop it Trollman. That is not from Jehovah.
I know this for a fact. Why do you care? It must be no different
from any other "apostate site" in your book. Think
about it! Laura
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Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
15:06:15
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RJ, You really must be a "brother" possibly and "elder" who
else could pick and choose what they wish out of the posts
that have occurred. You have been rude to John, you laughed
at the press conferences. I see you waited to post again under
September, do you think no one remembers what YOU'VE said about
Bill and the work being done. Don't get holier than thou when
you are the sarcastic, malicious spirit here on the board.
I didn't call you a perv I asked you the question, basically
that someone that can clearly avoid the reason this board his
here and continue being so cruel must have a hidden agenda....I
see in the new post you failed to mention that you felt I was
a Lesbian???? GEE...RJ do you know what the fruits of the spirit
are, or are you a mindless drone??? Why bother coming here
at all? Do you have a real reason? A test for the next sixty
seconds RJ will be conducting a test LOL Sheila M
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Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
15:53:26
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RJ – Please move on. This is nameless. no need to defend
yourself with a response. You made your point, as I did, and
they reply as they see it. But don't engage in lengthy discussions.
Please I am concerned for you.
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Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
16:12:56
Comments
MIDNIGHT MADNESS "Sale" to help the SILENT LAMBS
NON-PROFIT Foundation with assisting children & lambs first
and foremost, for the Andersons to be able to travel to testify
in court cases (such as the Boer v. WTS going on right now),
for Bill to go to the UK for the Press Conference next week,
for upgrading the website someday! to pay for the #800 provided
for SilentLambs who need to call free of charge, for xeroxing,
printing SL fliers, postage, etc. etc. As you can imagine there
are many expenses to be covered. PLEASE SUPPORT SILENT LAMBS
and at the SAME TIME help get the MESSAGE OUT: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36323&page=1&site=3#489413
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Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
16:54:35
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rj ; i never called you a molester. i don,t have 2 sets of
scales. nor have i heard any one here say all jw,s are molesters..what
makes you mad is when we expose the wt for the false christ
that it is. they lie every week. read sept.1 2002 wt pg 25
para 1 then find out when millions now living will never die
said the world was to end. this is a clear as day LIE!! FOR
PEOPLE WHO DO THEIR HOMEWORK!!!!!IF YOU WANT TO LEARN IF THE
WT IS LYING TO JW,S I WILL HELP YOU...IF YOU ARE UNWILLING
TO TEST THE WT THEN YOU CA,NT BE A CHRISTIAN. THERE IS SO MUCH
FOR JW,S TO LEARN. ONCE YOU REALLY KNOW THE HISTORY , THE LIES
THE WT PRINTS WEEKLY IS ENOUGH TO MAKE A JW CRY..BUT YOU HAVE
TO OPEN YOUR EYES FIRST!!!AND THE WT DON,T WANT JW'S TOO!!!!!THE
WT SAYS JESUS CHOOSE THE WT IN 1919. BASED ON THERE RECORD.TILL
THAT TIME.GO FIND WT BOOKS AND MAG,S UP TILL 1919. AND READ
THEM .I SPENT 2 YEARS DOING THIS. IF ANY PERSON DOES THIS.
THEY WILL SEE THE WT WAS NEVER CHOOSEN BY JESUS. THE WT IS
JUST ONE BIG LIE!!!!!!YOU AND ALL JW'S ARE THE ONES USING THE
TRUE GOD'S NAME IN VAIN!!!!TILL YOU CAN PROVE JESUS CHOOSE
THE WT. IN 1919 TO BE HIS VOICE FOR ALL MAN KIND.. I NEVER
MEET ONE JW THAT COULD DO THIS.. YOU KNOW WHY BECAUSE IT'S
IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!NOW YOU HAVE JUST HEARD WHAT IS IN FACT THE "TRUTH" MAY
YOU USE IT WISELY.
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Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
16:55:46
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Sheila, where's your compassion and forgiveness? You can quote
the fruits of the spirit and other of your favorite scriptures
that apply to everyone else but you, but where's your fruits
of the spirit? I was reaching out to you and the others in
here and you proceeded to slam me. Maybe you are going to see
a new RJ. But if everyone keeps the hate machine going why
would I feel compelled to change my sarcastic posts. No one
but Laura even addressed my point of view regarding the branding
of all JW's as evil. That is because I still feel you have
your own agenda that goes beyond helping abused children, it
has to do with getting even with the WTS and you don't care
who you step on in the process. What is different about your
agenda than the WTS? Prove me wrong Sheila and show a little
bit more tolerance in here. Show that by your responses you
can refrain from retaliation and maybe I will change the error
of my ways. I admit my posts have been harsh but I believe
my virtue has been attacked the same as yours. You heard nothing
I said in my earlier post. Instead you try to pick it apart
and pull out the pieces you want to attack and in the process
miss the entire point. THE POINT: We are all sinners and no
one in here is any better than the others. That has been proven
by not only my attacks on you but your counter attacks on me.
You don't know me but you make it seem that all JW's think
they are better than everyone else. I do not think I am better
than anyone else, if you knew me you would know that I in know
way feel superior to anyone. Do you hate all JW's? Am I an
evil person because I choose to remain one and put my confidence
in Jehovah? Answer my questions honestly if you expect some
honesty from me in future posts.....If your answer to these
questions is NO, then that is my entire point. How about some
sensitivity for the innocent whose names are being defamed?
Since everyone has branded me a Troll I leave you with my signature...<***TROLLMAN***> RJ
Remote User:
Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
17:03:50
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RJ I JUST POSTED THAT TO YOU AND TO ALL JW'S OUT THERE!!!MAKE
SURE YOU REALLY KNOW WHAT GOSPEL YOUR PREACHING BEFORE YOU
KNOCK ON THE NEXT DOOR!!!!!I SPEAK AS A FRIEND
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Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
17:04:12
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JOHN
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Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
17:23:28
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Hey YOU! And YOU! and YOU TOO!!! All of you people arguing
back and forth, calling each other names, Yeah YOU!!!!! With
all your arguing and squabbling, have any of YOU noticed the
posts where some are asking to be contacted and need some encouragement
and support????!!!!! How about DancingMoonLite? Am I the only
one responding to these pleas for someone to talk to?!!! How
about Kathy?! Any one written to either of them except me?!
How about getting off these pathetic, rambling subjects that
don't serve any purpose but the fill this board with nothing
but arguing and squabbling?!!! How are the victims out there
going to react when they come here to post their own stories
and ask for our help, when all they'll see the last several
days, if not WEEKS, is nothing but rambling arguments back
and forth?!!! How are YOU helping the Silentlambs effort in
your arguing?!!! Linda Thoman If anyone posting here would
like someone to talk to, or if you need help, or you want to
get in contact with someone local to you, email me at Linthoman@hotmail.com
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Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
17:23:36
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Hey YOU! And YOU! and YOU TOO!!! All of you people arguing
back and forth, calling each other names, Yeah YOU!!!!! With
all your arguing and squabbling, have any of YOU noticed the
posts where some are asking to be contacted and need some encouragement
and support????!!!!! How about DancingMoonLite? Am I the only
one responding to these pleas for someone to talk to?!!! How
about Kathy?! Any one written to either of them except me?!
How about getting off these pathetic, rambling subjects that
don't serve any purpose but the fill this board with nothing
but arguing and squabbling?!!! How are the victims out there
going to react when they come here to post their own stories
and ask for our help, when all they'll see the last several
days, if not WEEKS, is nothing but rambling arguments back
and forth?!!! How are YOU helping the Silentlambs effort in
your arguing?!!! Linda Thoman If anyone posting here would
like someone to talk to, or if you need help, or you want to
get in contact with someone local to you, email me at Linthoman@hotmail.com
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Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
17:23:42
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Hey YOU! And YOU! and YOU TOO!!! All of you people arguing
back and forth, calling each other names, Yeah YOU!!!!! With
all your arguing and squabbling, have any of YOU noticed the
posts where some are asking to be contacted and need some encouragement
and support????!!!!! How about DancingMoonLite? Am I the only
one responding to these pleas for someone to talk to?!!! How
about Kathy?! Any one written to either of them except me?!
How about getting off these pathetic, rambling subjects that
don't serve any purpose but the fill this board with nothing
but arguing and squabbling?!!! How are the victims out there
going to react when they come here to post their own stories
and ask for our help, when all they'll see the last several
days, if not WEEKS, is nothing but rambling arguments back
and forth?!!! How are YOU helping the Silentlambs effort in
your arguing?!!! Linda Thoman If anyone posting here would
like someone to talk to, or if you need help, or you want to
get in contact with someone local to you, email me at Linthoman@hotmail.com
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Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
18:04:13
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TRACY W............................I am so sorry you have been
through so much. I am a victim too and have a hard time explaining
some of the actions I have done or my way of thinking. Have
you talked to a counselor? For some it helps. Please email
my aunt Linda at linthoman@hotmail.com to get in touch with
me she will forward your addy to me if you ever just need to
talk and want to do so privately. Love Jesika Thoman Dallas,Tx
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Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
19:07:08
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DID WE FORGET????????????????????????why this site is here?????
Most of this has NOTHING to do with abuse---sexual or physical
abuse. Yes we have all been abused in one way or another by
the org. This isn't the place to discuss what the WT has lied
about and how it made us feel when we found out they were liars.
This particular site is for VICTIMS OF SEXUAL ABUSE!!!!!! Some
who have been physically abuse can find comfort too, but the
MAIN OBJECTIVE is SEXUAL ABUSE!!!! I stopped posting here because
everyone was arguing. Some of you think I am new here---I am
not new---I am disgusted and disappointed in the turn the site
has made and chose not to be a part of the childish bickering.
Has anyone greeted the new victims coming here due to the current
media?????????????? The JW's coming in here are trying their
hardest to get us off topic and have been succeeding. Let RJ
and no name rant all they want----why give them the attention
the new victims here so desperately need!!!!!!!! What have
you all done to help the silentlambs here???? Probably scared
a lot of them off!!!!!!!! I have been to two press conferences
and will be doing things locally since I can't be in NYC. I
have been passing out flyers and contacting news people. What
are you doing??????????? You waste your time arguing with people
who won't listen to reason no matter what you say!!!!!! WE
ARE SUPPOSE TO BE HERE FOR THE LAMBS------NOT THE RANTINGS
OF BRAINWASHED JW's!!!!!!! (if you are a JW and try to get
a rise out of me by replying to what I have said, don't bother---you
won't get a rise or response from me). I hope everyone understands
what I am trying to say. Is it going to take me and Linda to
come here everyday to keep everyone on track?? I am a homemaker
so I have all the time in the world to be on the computer.
Let's stay on topic people!!!!!! We will be having a lot of
people coming here to see what silentlambs is all about, and
the arguing needs to stop so they can feel comfortable enough
to post or reach out to us. STOP FIGHTING AND STAY ON TOPIC
PLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEE!!!!-------------------Love
Jesika Thoman, Dallas Tx
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Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
19:11:24
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ok rj i just read your post to shelia..do i hate all jw,s.
NO i don,t hate anyone. i try to wake you up. you asked are
you evil because you stay a jw and follow jehovah. yes you
are evil ,because you will say anything to protect the wt.
being a jw makes you a follower of the wt . not of the true
god of the bible.the wt teaches death to all who don,t follow
them. jw,s can not except the fact that they are not god's
chosen people .. if you read the gospel it says any who confess
out loud jesus died and rose in the flesh .and is the begotten
son of god,not an angel .that jesus is the only name needed
for salvation. if you really do your homework you will see
that the wt is leading all jw,s to death! the bible says so.
the wt wants jws to die just like the gb truly knows they
are false christs. and they have death. and i can judge the
wt . i just test their books. each time i find another lie
.i know the gb is not speaking for gods glory. the gb is speaking
for their own glory . jn 7-18 ....once you open your eyes you
will see the wt prints blasphemy. it takes a love for god to
find you have been lied to by men in brooklyn.. now go back
and do some of the homework i left for you.and all jw,s here.
if in your research the holy sprit takes off the wt rose colored
glasses and saves you . it will be your gain....freedom in
christ to all john
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Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
20:23:32
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Hey all, This is my first visit to your lil' community, and
while I am actively involved in fighting paedophilia, I found
it very difficult to make any sense of all this. Plenty of
vitriol here, but little content that is worthwhile in any
way, shape, or form. I have therefore come to the conclusion
that this is merely a hate site, dedicated to intolerant people
everywhere. Sure, churches are responsible for some of the
greatest crimes, and definitely have been a haven for, and
protected, and harbored child molesters. There is every reason
to hate and despise those who victimize children "in God's
name". But your hidden agenda is what troubles me. Are
you really against CHILD MOLESTORS or are you just using the
whole issue for your own personal propaganda ? You seem to
me to be nothing but bitter and twisted people. You are almost
as sick and demented as the perpetrators themselves.
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Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
20:30:21
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Hi All, I'm from a family of Jehovah's Witnesses and I'm glad
a lot of these things are being exposed. I was never baptized
into them but was made to go to Kingdom Hall. I watched as
they disfellowshipped my Aunt and told us not to speak to Her
for a year. As the meeting was over I walked right up to Her
and hugged Her and told Her I loved Her.She whispered to me
and said you are not suppose to talk to me. Right in front of
all, I said do think I care what they think? I had my own mind.
At age ten I saw a blind man healed and my 8 month sister healed,
she was supposed to be dead by morning of colitis. When My
grandma told me God doesn't heal, I said too late to tell me
that, I already saw it for myself. That's when I began to realize
there was a real true and loving GOD. Not just some one on
paper, some one real who would care about us and personally
touch our lives. I was saved at ten years of age on an old
swinging bridge. A Christian missionary witnessing met me
half way and ask me if I would rather go to heaven instead
hell. I said yes, she said the sinners prayer with me, and
be assured I had an experience with God that day, something
no one had ever told me about. I love all of you for what you
are doing. Carol Hall Cumberland, Ky.40823 <crystal_star48@hotmail.com> e-mail
me any time.
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Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
20:57:42
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No longer a Witness, I know of a classic case of father-daughter
abuse, that the entire family and congregation covered up.
The wife knew it was going on, the siblings knew, even my ex-wife
who was born and raised in the religion and was this girls
child hood friend knew and still remains silent. Sick-- isn't
it? Hate is a strong word but that is where I am with JW's.
They robbed me of the prime of my life. At least I had the
courage to break free. I appreciate your courage to help the
lambs. Madison WI
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Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
21:32:56
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Madison WI>>>Yes that is sick. It is rampant within
JW's, and what we're here for. All the victims of abuse need
a place to go to speak out, to cry out, to ROAR if need be!
All of us Silentlambs know the pain and heartache brought by
the perps in our cases, and we're working hard to put a stop
to it! JW's can put their head in the sand all they want, I
really don't care. It's the victims we're here to help. Welcome
to the board. Linda Thoman
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Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
22:10:47
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Jesika and Linda, Yes, your right about getting off topic.
Now about the sole purpose of the site though. The site is
for battered and abuses lambs, there are many forms of abuse
and to say that this is directed solely for sexual is I think
doing a great disservice to others that have emotional and
physical abuses done to them. No one should be made to feel
like, ooops I'm in the wrong place. Abuse is abuse it's all
about a sense of power. As for asking what others are doing,
I'm sure all Silent Lambs are doing WHAT THEY CAN in their
circumstance. The comment I felt was a little to reminiscent
of the JW's forcing service down everyone's throat. If a Silent
Lamb is even just doing enough to get the topic out and that's
what they feel comfortable with GREAT. As Bill said it takes
time for people to heal there is no set time table. So for
those out there don't feel bad if your not up to handing out
flyers and lambs. Just do what YOU CAN to make sure this is
known to everyone. Each to their own time Peace Sheila
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Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
22:12:49
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I don't recommend a discussion of this subject on silentlambs.....but
if you have an interest in the CROSS or STAKE you must read
this : http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36340&site=3
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Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
22:29:18
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carol hall that's one of the best stories i heard here. how
at a young age you didn't listen to the elders, and still talked
to your aunt, that is so beautiful. how a 10 year old girl.
has more common sense and christian love . than god's sprit
directed org. hang around we need more people like you...john
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Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
22:41:00
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will someone please post what happened with the child molestation
case in canada. someone got the GRITS ON this. did you get
my offer to stay with me if you can come to the march J_CHITO@msn.com
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Date:
09 Sep 2002
Time:
23:59:16
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trollman: This site is for victims of abuse, and their supporters.
Are they sometimes bitter and angry? Yes. Are they maybe angry
that the organization let them down? Yes. Are they angry that
most, if not all, either deny or minimize the abuse and it's
coverup? YES YES YES. This site is NOT about YOU, unless you
choose to either support the victims by words or means. Don't
victimize anyone here again by clouding the issues. Pistoff
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Date:
10 Sep 2002
Time:
05:49:53
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Is there anyone in Seattle passing the lambs out to the kingdom
halls??? I need to know soon. Laura
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Date:
10 Sep 2002
Time:
08:49:18
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Church made her cover up sexual abuse, woman says By JANE GADD
COURTS REPORTER Tuesday, September 10, 2002 Page A18 A former
Jehovah's Witness who says her church forced her to cover up
years of sexual abuse by her father told Ontario Superior Court
yesterday that church elders use the fear of Armageddon to
silence her and other abuse victims. Victoria Boer, 31, testifying
at the trial of her $700,000 lawsuit against the Watchtower
Bible and Tract Society of Canada, said she was driven to the
brink of suicide when society elders told her to pray, to preach
and to forgive her father for the abuse -- but not to report
it to the Children's Aid Society or doctors. "I was told
if Armageddon came and my father went down for the abuse I
would likely go down with him," Ms. Boer told the court.
In fact, the entire Jehovah's Witness community where she lived
in Shelburne, Ont., could be exposed to God's wrath if she
handled the matter by "worldly" means, Ms. Boer said
she was told. The defendants -- the Watchtower Society and
elders Brian Cairns, Steve Brown and John Didur -- deny preventing
Ms. Boer from going to the authorities and argue they owed
her no special duty of care as alleged in the suit. They accused
Ms. Boer of "asking the church to pay for the sins of
the father." Ms. Boer testified that her father, whom
she is not suing and who was never criminally charged, touched
her sexually on numerous occasions from the time she was 11
until she was 15. The abuse stopped after Ms. Boer told her
mother, who criticized her for dressing immodestly but agreed
to confront the father, Ms. Boer told the court. She told no
one until four years later, she said, when she was plagued
by memories of the abuse and suffering symptoms of severe depression
and anxiety. "I just kept crying and crying." Then
19, she went to local elders Mr. Cairns and Mr. Brown, and
they in turn asked for advice from Mr. Didur, an elder with
the national Watchtower organization, she said. The men made
her repeat her story over and over, she said, then insisted
she not go to authorities but instead confront her father in
the presence of Mr. Cairns and Mr. Brown and give him the chance
to repent. "I told them I couldn't do it," she wept
yesterday. "They said I had to." In two confrontations
at his home, Ms. Boer's father accused her of exaggerating,
she said. He did acknowledge some sexual impropriety, apologized
to her and agreed to do some extra service for the Watchtower
Society, she said. The elders then declared the matter closed. "They
said they felt my father had shown signs of repentance, that
he was a changed man," she said. They told her if she
went to the CAS the family would be investigated, her father
would lose his job and her mother would be left destitute,
she said.
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Date:
10 Sep 2002
Time:
08:49:58
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Church made her cover up sexual abuse, woman says By JANE GADD
COURTS REPORTER Tuesday, September 10, 2002 Page A18 A former
Jehovah's Witness who says her church forced her to cover up
years of sexual abuse by her father told Ontario Superior Court
yesterday that church elders use the fear of Armageddon to
silence her and other abuse victims. Victoria Boer, 31, testifying
at the trial of her $700,000 lawsuit against the Watchtower
Bible and Tract Society of Canada, said she was driven to the
brink of suicide when society elders told her to pray, to preach
and to forgive her father for the abuse -- but not to report
it to the Children's Aid Society or doctors. "I was told
if Armageddon came and my father went down for the abuse I
would likely go down with him," Ms. Boer told the court.
In fact, the entire Jehovah's Witness community where she lived
in Shelburne, Ont., could be exposed to God's wrath if she
handled the matter by "worldly" means, Ms. Boer said
she was told. The defendants -- the Watchtower Society and
elders Brian Cairns, Steve Brown and John Didur -- deny preventing
Ms. Boer from going to the authorities and argue they owed
her no special duty of care as alleged in the suit. They accused
Ms. Boer of "asking the church to pay for the sins of
the father." Ms. Boer testified that her father, whom
she is not suing and who was never criminally charged, touched
her sexually on numerous occasions from the time she was 11
until she was 15. The abuse stopped after Ms. Boer told her
mother, who criticized her for dressing immodestly but agreed
to confront the father, Ms. Boer told the court. She told no
one until four years later, she said, when she was plagued
by memories of the abuse and suffering symptoms of severe depression
and anxiety. "I just kept crying and crying." Then
19, she went to local elders Mr. Cairns and Mr. Brown, and
they in turn asked for advice from Mr. Didur, an elder with
the national Watchtower organization, she said. The men made
her repeat her story over and over, she said, then insisted
she not go to authorities but instead confront her father in
the presence of Mr. Cairns and Mr. Brown and give him the chance
to repent. "I told them I couldn't do it," she wept
yesterday. "They said I had to." In two confrontations
at his home, Ms. Boer's father accused her of exaggerating,
she said. He did acknowledge some sexual impropriety, apologized
to her and agreed to do some extra service for the Watchtower
Society, she said. The elders then declared the matter closed. "They
said they felt my father had shown signs of repentance, that
he was a changed man," she said. They told her if she
went to the CAS the family would be investigated, her father
would lose his job and her mother would be left destitute,
she said.
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Date:
10 Sep 2002
Time:
08:54:32
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I was raised as a JW and after reading all of this, my mouth
was left open and my eyes with tears....I left the organization
years ago when I was around 18, I was never baptized and neither
was my sister and now I realize how LUCKY I was not to experienced
any of this abuse! I never knew it was so rampant, yet I'm
sure in my area (a large metro area) it happened, I just didn't
know about it. Now, I sit here and wonder....who did it happen
to in my congregation? I feel very angry that these victims
were treated like this, and I believe it all, because the examples
provided were exactly the way JW behave. Everything you do
is never 'their' fault, it's all 'worldly' influences, and
everything in your life is controlled. I remember the 'secrecy'
of it all, the mysterious elders and the hierarchical ways that
the 'popular' members got 'positions'. It's all a mind trap,
and my father and his wife are still in it. I wonder what they
will have to say when they see this...because this is not going
to go away this time. My heart goes out to all those people
that suffered like that...I am so sorry. M. Endsley
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Date:
10 Sep 2002
Time:
09:14:27
Comments
Laura, hang on hon, Seattle contacts are coming your way. :-)
Linda
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