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Remote User:
Date:
06 Aug 2002
Time:
20:33:12
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Guest Book Test August 6th PM
Remote User:
Date:
06 Aug 2002
Time:
20:59:11
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TO Linda who asked about THE REPORT: I learned this much so
far from other sources: It is (possibly) published by a group
out of Florida who call themselves "Two Witnesses Must
Come" (as described in Revelation). TWMC for short. They
feel the JWs do fulfill Bible prophecy and that the WT will
be cleaned up as Israel was cleaned up by JAH. The report
supposedly has some charts comparing where TWMC agrees or
doesn't agree with the society. I have not seen this report
myself, just sharing what I have heard, and everyone's memory
is not solid on these statements, so FWIW. Then at <http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=10732&site=3&page=3> I
found this: "The Report" (1994) - ISBN 0-9649409-3-0,
with direct quotes from it posted by bjc; and then Dogpatch
wrote: "The 'Report' their website at www.the-report.com/overview.htm;
and this same Dogpatch did a report about The Report at http://www.freeminds.org/history/report.htm
none of which I have read yet. Merely FYI. /SLC
Remote User:
Date:
06 Aug 2002
Time:
21:02:26
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I just got an auto-reply from Pres. Bush! Here's what it says.
/SLC ---------- From: Autoresponder@WhiteHouse.GOV Date: Tue,
06 Aug 2002 21:15:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Child Safety
Conference 9/24/02 --- Thank you for emailing President Bush.
Your ideas and comments are very important to him. For up-to-date
information about the President and his policies, please check
the White House web site at www.whitehouse.gov. Unfortunately,
because of the large volume of email received, the President
cannot personally respond to each message. However, the White
House staff considers and reports citizen ideas and concerns.
Again, thank you for your email. Your interest in the work
of President Bush and his administration is appreciated. Sincerely,
The White House Office of E-Correspondence ____ Please Note:
If the subject of your email was a request for a Presidential
greeting, please note that all greeting requests must be submitted
in writing to the following address: The White House Attn:
Greetings Office Room 39 Washington, D.C. 20502-0039 Please
review the guidelines carefully before mailing your request
to the White House. The guidelines are accessible at: http://www.whitehouse.gov/greeting/
Remote User:
Date:
06 Aug 2002
Time:
21:13:50
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HERE'S THE CHILD SAFETY CONFERENCE INFO from the White House
Website, FYI - /SLC ----- <http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/08/20020806.html> ---
On September 24, the President will host the first-ever White
House Conference on Missing, Exploited and Runaway Children
held in conjunction with the Justice Department's Office of
Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention and the National
Center for Missing and Exploited Children. --- * The all day
conference, held on the campus of the George Washington University
in Washington, DC, will bring together members of the President's
Cabinet; federal, state and local officials; law enforcement;
corporate leaders; CITIZEN EXPERTS; parents of victim children;
and other leaders involved in the cause of missing, exploited
and runaway children. --- * The conference will focus on a
wide range of topics related to children's safety, including
missing and exploited children; runaway and homeless youth;
international child abduction; sex trafficking of children;
child pornography; child safety and Internet safety, and corporate
and community involvement. --- * For FY 2003, President Bush
has proposed a 26% increase in funding for the Missing and
Exploited Children's Program, which provides training for
state and local enforcement on handling missing child cases
($29 million - an increase of 26% over FY 2002). The program
also supports the Department of Justice's Internet Crimes
Against Children Task Force (ICACTF). The President's budget
request will enable the Department of Justice to double the
size of the Task Force. --- The President will convene a White
House Conference on Missing, Exploited and Runaway Children
in September. The Conference will promote public awareness
of the cause of missing, exploited and runaway children, and
it will bring policy makers, experts, key officials, community
leaders, teachers and law enforcement together to share progress
made and generate new ideas to help prevent the victimization
of children. --- * The President also announced the release
of a new guidebook - "Personal Safety for Children: A
Guide for Parents." The guidebook is designed to help
parents take specific steps to improve the safety of their
children, and it includes information that children of all
ages can understand. The guidebook reflects the work of experts
on child safety from the Department of Justice, the Department
of Health and Human Services, the Department of Education,
the FBI and the National Center for Missing and Exploited
Children. It is available online in English and in Spanish
at www.missingkids.com.
Remote User:
Date:
06 Aug 2002
Time:
21:17:28
Comments
Seems to be a lot of JW Defenders posting here lately. Maybe
the presses have slowed down at Bethel and the Bethelites
have been ordered to work overtime on the internet. Why don't
these people gives themselves a code name or handle? Very
annoying when people don't give themselves a name for replies.
/SLC
Remote User:
Date:
06 Aug 2002
Time:
21:19:32
Comments
Someone wrote: "I think this is an attempt to get money....nothing
else." ----- If that were even REMOTELY true for sex
abuse victims, then I'd have to say we have been WELL TAUGHT
by our mentor, the WTBTS, who is a pro at getting money, to
the tune of $951 million in 2000 (or was it 2001)? /SLC
Remote User:
Date:
06 Aug 2002
Time:
21:20:43
Comments
Loris wrote: " Nuf said. As always, Love Ya'll,
Loris" ----- And Very Well Said at that, I might add!
:) /SLC
Remote User:
Date:
06 Aug 2002
Time:
21:23:23
Comments
Someone wrote in reply to a WTS Defender: "OKAY, now
I ask, WHO STARTED THE BASHING OF OTHER RELIGIONS FOR HARBORING,
DEFENDING AND ACCEPTING PERVERTS?!" ----- Good point!
For decades the WTS has bashed the C.Church, et al. Makes
them look very bad when their own pedophile issue is exposed.
Seems they forgot Jesus' words, "Let he WHO HAS NO SIN
cast the first stone." Maybe they will learn not to judge
from now on??? /SLC
Remote User:
Date:
06 Aug 2002
Time:
21:31:04
Comments
To the person who wrote to the person who wrote (see what
I mean about No Names???): "Sounds to me like many here
owe a debt of gratitude to JW's. Everybody is using the name
Jehovah, who showed you that, a Baptist?" Yes thank you!
Now I think that it would also [be] appropriate if JW's and
others would thank the Catholic Church Monk who 700 years
ago created the Word Jehovah by combining the vowels from
Lord and YHWH together to come up with name Jehovah! Did you
thank that person from Christendom? What? you didn't? Why
not? Oh, I see, he is part of Satan's Organization. Well,
well, how can we use the name then? Ok, let's just pretend
we didn't know that then. ---------------------- And, here's
another one to add to the list: The society "borrowed" their
2,520 years/gentile times from a man named John Aquinas Brown
(an Adventist maybe, I forget). Of course, the society didn't "own
up" to this fact until it was exposed in Bro. Ray Franz'
book, 'Crisis of Conscience.' It was AFTER that fact that
the WTS belatedly gave credit to John Aquinas Brown in the
Proclaimer's book. /SLC
Remote User:
Date:
06 Aug 2002
Time:
21:39:44
Comments
To BAS who wrote: "I heard Bill's coming to England ,
UK, and would be interested in seeing it, any info bill?" ----------
This info from http://www.channelc.org/cgi-bin/eboard30/index.cgi?board=Main&message=2741
.DON'T MISS THIS -- .September 13th - 15th A weekend with
a difference! . Guest Speaker from Kentucky USA will be ..Bill
Bowen -- Bill Bowen will explain how the Watchtower has become
a safe haven for paedophiles and why it silences the abused
in defence of the abuser. If you are for or against the Watchtower
now is the time to speak up and ask your unanswered questions.
-- Out of the Watchtower - into Christ! At Cefnlea Mid Wales
retreat - September 13-15th. For more info email: "mailto:Exjw@hotmail.com" --
Exjw@hotmail.com or write: The Kingdom Publishers Journal,
P O Box 98, Burnham On - Sea, Somerset, England, TA8 2BF .(Postcode
essential) Mobile: 07720 863508
Remote User:
Date:
06 Aug 2002
Time:
21:51:40
Comments
To the JW Defender who wrote: "I chuckle when I see comments
like ... Armageddon in 2005”. How about this one, “The
JW org wants to establish a new world order and subject it
to its rule” (thanks mole for that golden nugget)." -----
Well, (a) Just Wait And See!!! when the WTS' link to the backers
of the NWO is revealed, even if it is 10 years from now (like
it took 10 years for their UN-connected to be exposed); and
(b) I wouldn't CHUCKLE TOO MUCH 'cuz you might have to eat
your BwaHaaaHaaaHaaa's before it's all over. ----- As has
already been written here, it's not the individual JWs themselves,
but the ORG, THE SOCIETY. A simple look at the Mountain of
Evidence of THEIR OWN HISTORY clearly shows the magnitute
of their erroneous ways. It's hard for a child to see the "error
of their [spiritual] parents' ways..." Sadly, sooner
or later even every JW will have to look at the dirty laundry,
whether willingly or whether forced to face the facts. It's
sad all around, but it MUST occur, as it is ALREADY occurring.
LET HE WHO HAS EARS LISTEN. /SLC
Remote User:
Date:
06 Aug 2002
Time:
21:54:20
Comments
To rby who wrote: "please keep me informed on the latest
dealings in regards to the Jehova's Witnesses: court cases,
child molesters uncovered, etc.. my e-mail is rby05371@yahoo.com." -----
My suggestion would be to get on the Silent Lambs mailing
list (see the HOME PAGE, top bars. As for other JW News & Events,
check frrequently at www.jehovahs-witness.com forum. Any late-breaking
JW news is always posted there as soon as it occurs. Or, check
some of the xJW links and sign up for their email notices.
Just a suggestion. /SLC
Remote User:
Date:
06 Aug 2002
Time:
21:56:22
Comments
Loris: That was a perfect explanation of why B.Bowen is seeking
an appeal of his DF decision. I knew internally but could
not have expressed it so well. Thanks. And as for the St.
Pete newspaper, Good Going! Probably any child in the area
was too fearful to go public in a newspaper with their story.
Glad to hear things are rolling along! Love yooz guys/SLC
Remote User:
Date:
06 Aug 2002
Time:
21:59:16
Comments
To whoever replied to JW Defender by asking, "For clarity
would you specify which PERSON corresponds to the BAD APPLE?" and
then giviing a Multiple Choice Answer ----- LOL! Perfect description/Multiple
Choices of Bad Apples. Well done! Now stick those Apples on
a popsickle-Stick and dip them in oooey gooey caramel (enough
to cover the true condition of the rotten apple) and hand
them out on Halloween to every JW that comes to your door.
:-) /SLC
Remote User:
Date:
06 Aug 2002
Time:
22:01:27
Comments
Hi Mr. Mole, who wrote: "They usually justify this by
misusing the lord's statement, "let the dead bury the
dead." ----- I'd like to add to that by saying the Society
also repeatedly used the scripture where Jesus said, "You
will always have the poor with you," to suggest that
we should not waste our time helping the hungry, needy, etc.
-- Hope you're doing okay, Mole! /SLC
Remote User:
Date:
06 Aug 2002
Time:
22:04:35
Comments
To whomever wrote: "I am confused as to what the mission
of this site is." ----- For a Refresher Course, read
the Home Page of this site and associated sections of this
site. The purpose of the site has not changed. If victims
have become friendly and wish to use the guestbook to discuss
other areas of their association with the WTS, What Of It? "New
victims" are still "coming out of the closet" and
posting here. Stay tuned, don't touch that dial, the New Season
is beginning... /SLC
Remote User:
Date:
06 Aug 2002
Time:
22:06:09
Comments
Right on Buster. I learn more every day, now that I am not
afraid to learn anymore, which most JWs are still in denial
and afraid. It takes time, but worth taking a peek at the
WTS's history without our Rose-Colored-Glasses On! (Buster
had written: "I am talking about core beliefs - the very
basis that you claim to cling to. There is no baby in the
bathwater - toss it. - Buster"). - /SLC
Remote User:
Date:
06 Aug 2002
Time:
22:07:49
Comments
THANKS Claudine for the well wishes. And glad to hear you
visit Channel C and J-W.com. I can't keep up with either,
but I keep trying! How's life treating you this week? Some
of my stress is off, now to play catch up! Love ya/SLC
Remote User:
Date:
06 Aug 2002
Time:
22:13:36
Comments
DID YOU GUYS SEE THIS? ANYONE LIVE IN KY and CAN GO SUPPORT
BILL? (Seems Motel Rooms are becoming more popular) -----
From: "silentlambs" <info@silentlambs.org> Date:
Tue, 6 Aug 2002 10:45:31 -0500 To: <info@silentlambs.org> Subject:
New invitation --- Below is the letter I just received at
10:30 this morning by way of my attorney. It appears the announcement
will not be made this Thursday night, for that reason I will
not be attending Thursday. I now wish to invite anyone who
might like to appear before the appeal committee as “witnesses” to
whether I have actually caused divisions in the congregation.
If you would like to offer support in that regard please let
me know. --- 270-527-5350 and I will be glad to explain further.
Regards, bill --- Princeton Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses
-- c/o Presiding Overseer 901 Hopkinsville Street Princeton
KY 42445 -- 8-6-02 -- William H. Bowen P.O. Box 311 Calvert
City, KY 42029 -- Dear Brother Bowen, Arrangements have made
to hear your appeal of the decision made by the judicial committee
that you should be disfellowshipped. The meeting has been
set for Sunday August 11, 2002 at 5:00 pm, at the following
address: Conference Room of the Holiday Inn Express, 173 Carroll
Road, Benton, KY. -- Your Brother, Daniel L. McMullen Chairman
Committee Fax: 270-365-5334 cc: L. Rush Hunt, Attorney at
Law
Remote User:
Date:
06 Aug 2002
Time:
22:27:30
Comments
Hey BLM! Your question about whether it is a crime for WTS
to send pedophiles door to door... one would think so. If
not criminal then I would think civil neglience would apply
should anything occur. However, why not write Pres. Bush and
ask him (and it could be a topic for discussion at his Child
Safety Conference on 9/24/02!) Keep up that sharp brain of
yours! Love ya/SLC
Remote User:
Date:
06 Aug 2002
Time:
22:35:17
Comments
To the person (WTS Defender) who wrote that we were wasting
our time sharing scriptures with our own "application" of
those scriptures... I ask that person: Are not the scriptures
ALIVE and exerting POWER? If they are ALIVE, then they BREATHE
into EVERY human circumstance throughout EVERY generation.
Therefore I say unto you: If the shoe fits! --- Is it logical
there only ONE application for ALL scriptures? Even the WTS
doesn't teach that narrow view, so why do you think that way?
-- However, if scriptures don't do it for you, how about some
quotes direct from God's Channel itself (a/k/a literature)?
Stay tuned and I'll have a nice list of WT quotes for you
in a day or two. Best take off your shoes and go wash your
feet between now and then because you will find it necessary
to insert your foot into your mouth. Yummmm, How's About Some
Tasty Toes, eh? /SLC
Remote User:
Date:
06 Aug 2002
Time:
23:01:33
Comments
TO the person who wrote: "book of the month club".
LOL! I never even thought of that before. Funny. As a matter
of fact, I read a post today that someone figured out that
JWs read an average of 3000 pages of WT literature per year.
Then I did some figuring myself and came up with this: 11
years as a JW x 3000 = 33,000 pages. My NWT says it has 1340
pages. If I had never read any of the WT literature during
those years, I could have read the Bible 24.5 more times during
that time frame (in addition to the regular Bible reading
we did as part of the cong). /SLC
Remote User:
Date:
06 Aug 2002
Time:
23:05:25
Comments
REPOSTING, since the website has (thank you!) been updated/divided
tonight (August Part 1), and this got lost in the updating.
This was posted FIRST, earlier, before the White House reply,
etc. ----- NOTICE/FYI: I heard on the news today that, due
to the recent kidnappings, etc. in California, Pres. Bush
has scheduled a conference at George Washington University
on 9/24/02 re: Child Safety (missing, exploited and runaway
children). Exploited would cover child sex abuse, so wouldn't
it be great if George W. invited B.Bowen & B.Anderson,
et al, to the conference to speak about religious organizations
who exploit children? We don't we all email him and ask? I
already emailed Pres. GW Bush and suggested this at: President
George W. Bush president@whitehouse.gov (Of course, only if
Bowen and Anderson would WANT to go, that is...) ----- See
auto-reply above to the email, and see above the info on the
conference from the White House website. Thanks! /SLC
Remote User:
Date:
06 Aug 2002
Time:
23:15:01
Comments
REPOSTING to Linda: (This one also seems to have gotten lost
in the website update): You asked about the year 2005. The
only thing I have seen so far is at this site: <http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/2005.htm> I
believe (didn't read it, too tired) they are taking the 1935
year of the Great Crowd new light and adding the 70-year lifespan
= 2005. Here's the info from that site, FWIW. /SLC ------------------
*** Watchtower 1997 September 15 pp.10-15 Will You Be Faithful
Like Elijah? *** 10 Who, then, was this coming Elijah? His
identity was revealed when Jesus Christ said: "From the
days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of the heavens
is the goal toward which men press, and those pressing forward
are seizing it. For all, the Prophets and the Law, prophesied
until John; and if you want to accept it, He himself is 'Elijah
who is destined to come.'" Yes, John the Baptizer was
the foretold counterpart of Elijah. (Matthew 11:12-14; Mark
9:11-13) An angel had told John's father, Zechariah, that
John would have "Elijah's spirit and power" and
would "get ready for Jehovah a prepared people." (Luke
1:17) The baptism John performed was a public symbol of an
individual's repentance over his sins against the Law, which
was to lead the Jews to Christ. (Luke 3:3-6; Galatians 3:24)
John's work thus 'got a prepared people ready for Jehovah.'
11 The work of John the Baptizer as "Elijah" showed
that a "day of Jehovah" was near. The nearness of
that day when God would act against his enemies and preserve
his people was also indicated by the apostle Peter. He pointed
out that the miraculous events that took place at Pentecost
of 33 C.E. were a fulfillment of Joel's prophecy about the
outpouring of God's spirit. Peter showed that this was to
happen before "the great and illustrious day of Jehovah." (Acts
2:16-21; Joel 2:28-32) It was in 70 C.E. that Jehovah fulfilled
his Word by causing the Roman armies to execute divine judgment
upon the nation that rejected his Son.-Daniel 9:24-27; John
19:15. 12 However, there was more to come after 70 C.E. The
apostle Paul associated a coming "day of Jehovah" with
the presence of Jesus Christ. Moreover, the apostle Peter
spoke of that day in connection with the yet future "new
heavens and a new earth." (2 Thessalonians 2:1, 2; 2
Peter 3:10-13) Bear in mind that John the Baptizer did an
Elijahlike work before the "day of Jehovah" came
in 70 C.E. All of this taken together indicated that something
further would take place as represented by the work that Elijah
had done. What is that? [...] Be Faithful Like Elijah 21 With
zeal like that of Elijah, the small remnant of genuine anointed
Christians have discharged their responsibility of caring
for the earthly interests of the enthroned King, Jesus Christ.
(Matthew 24:47) And for over 60 years now, God has been using
these anointed ones to spearhead the work of making disciples
of people to whom he has given the wonderful hope of life
eternal on a paradise earth. (Matthew 28:19, 20) How grateful
these millions can be that the relatively few remaining anointed
ones are zealously and faithfully caring for their responsibilities!
22 This Kingdom-preaching work has been accomplished by imperfect
humans and only in the strength that Jehovah gives those who
prayerfully rely on him. "Elijah was a man with feelings
like ours," said the disciple James when citing the prophet's
example of praying in order to show the force of a righteous
man's prayer. (James 5:16-18) Elijah was not always prophesying
or performing miracles. He had the same human feelings and
weaknesses that we do, but he served God faithfully. Since
we too have God's help and he strengthens us, we can be faithful
like Elijah. 23 We have good reason for faithfulness and optimism.
Remember that John the Baptizer did an Elijahlike work before
the "day of Jehovah" struck in 70 C.E. With Elijah's
spirit and power, anointed Christians have done a similar
God-given work throughout the earth. This clearly proves that
the great "day of Jehovah" is near. [Emphasis Added]
*** Watchtower 1997 October 1 p.23 Grateful for a Long Life
in Jehovah's Service *** Confident in Kingdom Hope In 1935
we came to understand that the "great crowd" was
not a secondary heavenly class. We learned that it instead
represents a class that survives the great tribulation and
has the opportunity of living forever in Paradise on earth.
(Revelation 7:9-14) With this new understanding, some who
had partaken of the Memorial emblems realized that theirs
was an earthly hope, and they discontinued partaking. [Emphasis
Added]
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
00:04:05
Comments
TO ALLTHE FOOLS HERE WHO KEEP CALLING THE WT GODS ORG. THE
Spirtual israel etc. read jn:7:18 and write it in your forhead
then read and study until you UNDERSTAND awake 5-22-90 pg.
12-13 fallacies in arguementation.then take a hard look in
the mirror then truthfully go and tell yourself jw's are the
god of the bible his choosen people. the jehovah of brooklyn
and the god of the bible are NOT the same. cause the creator
says thou shall have no other gods before him. and a true
messeger of god will have no falsehood or lie.now lets see
about the wt record , the time of the end started in 1798,99
1829,31,44,65,72,73,75,81,1905,07,10-12,18,20,21,32,check
heb. 1 to see when the last days started jesus returned to
kingdom power 1874 1914 thats not what it says in eph1:20-22
mat 28:18 col 1:13-20 all menbers of the wt were to go to
heaven in 1881, 1912,1914,15,21,32 the world was to end in
1914,15,25,41,51,54,75,86,89,2000 etc. remember these are
all god,s dates and if any jw questioned any of them the wt
god would destroy themfor not being meek to the fds.don,t
forget jesus judged all religions in 1918 and just loved the
idea that anyonenot a follower of russell body would be picked
to the bone by vultures in 1920 ie the finished mystery. i
know you here the praise the angels gave to god when jesus
released the judge from prison in 1918 . i,ll quote a 1959
wt in 1918 jehovah god caused judge rutherford to preach million
now living will never die the world has ended . if my calander
is correct the end didn,t come in 1925 issac jacob, abraham
didn,t come to become leaders of london, newyork r,jerulesum,
and nobody would go bald after 1926. don,t forget rutherford
was more sure about 1925 than noah was about the flood . any
jw want to go to venus the wt said it,s a paradise thats were
your jehovah sent the dinosaurs. let the wt measure your nose
and skull to see if smart enough to do the preaching work.
get your mericle wheat 100 fold better than normal wheat here
that farmers. having trouble seeing how great wt wheat is
order wt radium glasses to help correct your vision. Icould
go on for months with the proper food at the proper time that
jehovah,s spirit org. has printed. i drive a truck in bronx
ny i stop everytime i see a wt zombie in the street and use
the bible and thier own books to make LIARS out them show
them they follow a false christ. but of course i,m not meek
because i follow the bible to prove all things true and not
worship the WATCHTOWER.and just believe what the fds says
with out testing it. jw,s have no reasoning power they read
one verse to you and say see were gods people. and feel justified
never willing to test weather thier teaching hold any weight.
when invited to a kh i love to ask if they read these old
wt books most times they will yes until i start pulling books
off the shelves i love to watch elders and overseers who were
brough in to answer my questions foam at the mouth after calling
me a liar read it in thier own libraRY. j_chito@MSN.COM IN
INVITE ALL INQUIRIES
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
00:45:39
Comments
Hmmm. Let me see. Hello, this is the JW defender responding
to SLC. Let me repeat some of the things I said in my earlier
post, to refresh your memory. In summary: 1) “Read the
bible. See how clearly Jah states time and time again what
constitutes fornication, adultery, slander, loose conduct,
apostasy, every sin this world is swimming in.” - Can
you shed some light on how those sins are handled in your
new org, whatever it is at this point? How do you feel about
adultery? Fornication? Please share your views, I'm
sure the Catholic, Protestant, and Baptist crowd here is eager
to see how you interpret God's law, and how it applies
to those that break it. Another line from my original post
2) “ Give me a BREAK already with the talk about failed
bible predictions. If you read the bible, which I'm
sure some of you do, you will find that many faithful men
and women didn't have a full understanding of what Jah's
purpose was. Some prophets were even mistaken in their predictions.
What would you say to them?” – Well, I'm
waiting for your reply, or anyone else's for that matter.
Go on, reach in your back pocket and pull out the reasoning
book, follow up with the WT cd, and look in the bible. Please
comment and enlighten those who thirst for knowledge. I'll
say it again, no matter how many verses you quote, no matter
how flowery the language you use, no matter how many quotes
from 1901 you use, this site amounts to a JW bashing party.
Look at your quotes. Look at everyone's quotes. How
often has a child abuse victim benefited from your inane observations?
Oh, before I forget, when you reply, please include your view
on the Trinity. Also, tell us who is the Faithful and Discreet
slave, since you know so much. Since you're so versed
in scripture, go into a detailed explanation of why you think
it is biblically wrong when the bible makes it oh so crystal
clear that to establish a matter two to three witnesses are
necessary. Anyone that says “you will find it necessary
to insert your foot into your mouth. Yummmm, How's About Some
Tasty Toes, eh?” is a wise person and should be listened
to. lol
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
09:08:35
Comments
i watched the panorama programme, pleased that it went out
nationwide for all of the uk to see the things that are going
on, and covered up within the WT organization. My family took
part in a BBC 2 programme 5 yrs ago called 'Close up' highlighting
child sexual abuse to some extent. My husband was an elder
who reported to both the congregation, and the legal desk
an allegation of abuse. Both the body of elders and subsequently
the legal desk at bethel advised my husband to leave it as "probably
nothing would come of it, dont stir things up". The upshot
was that my husband told the police of the brothers wherabouts,
he was arrested and charged with 4 counts of sexual abuse.
He pleaded guilty to 3 of them and escaped a prison sentence,
apparantly the fourth would have sent him to prison. He then
had to go for some sort of sex offenders course as part of
his sentence. This man was supported by the congregation and
as far as I know remained as a JW. My husband was so disgusted
and horrified at the stance of the WT org he left, and I left
shortly afterward. We have since done much exploration into
the WT and come to realise, examining definitions and activities,
that the WT is a cult and as such is at liberty to abuse its
members in any way it seems fit. It devastates me to see all
these young people suffering at the hands of the WT policies
and I pray that they will eventually 'see the light' and leave.
I have almost finished 4 years of training to be a counsellor
and I would be more that happy to help some of these young
people to get their lives back. Linda Birt e mail lindabirt41@aol.com
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
09:38:19
Comments
JW Defender or should we call you Tasty Toes? . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . I don't
believe this is the board or the forum to discuss doctrine.
If you want a serious discussion of any of the doctrinal points
you listed just take the questions to JWD or similar boards.
.. … . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . However I will gladly comment
on this quote of yours * Since you're so versed in scripture,
go into a detailed explanation of why you think it is biblically
wrong when the bible makes it oh so crystal clear that to
establish a matter two to three witnesses are necessary* .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . For over
twenty years the watchtower required TWO witnesses to ONE
act of child molestation and because of this requirement certain
men (Pandela, Fitzpatrick, doubtlessly many others) were able
to abuse multiple victims. Now JR Brown tells us that the
two witness rule can be used if there are TWO witnesses to
TWO different acts of child molestation. Since the Bible is
so crystal clear , WHAT CHANGED?
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
09:50:44
Comments
To "07 Aug 2002" who started off by saying:"Hmmm.
Let me see."_____________________________________Lets
let our Awake 10/8/68 answer one of your questions. "True,
there have been those in times past who predicted an 'end
to the world', even announcing a specific date. Yet nothing
happened. The 'end' did not come. They were guilty of false
prophesying. Why? What was missing?..Missing from such people
were God's truths and evidence that he was using and guiding
them."______________________I will also include for you
this handy dandy bashing suggestions provided directly from
our Watchtower Society. http://www.spotlightministries.org.uk/wtchurchattack.htm
I hope that you can use these examples in your constructive
critism of the Catholics, Baptists and anyone else you dislike.
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
11:07:19
Comments
TO THOSE WHO DEFEND WTS: Bill is accused of causing division
because he stood up against what is grossly wrong and those
who are doing gross wrong, and those who are supporting what
is grossly wrong. **********The word of God is alive and exerts
power and is sharper than any two edged sword and pierces
even to the dividing of the soul and spirit and of joints
and marrow, and is able to discern thoughts and intentons
of the heart.***********************I would say that Bill
Bowen and the rest of us here have experienced this aliveness
of God's word and the power of it. **********To even think
that Jehovah or Jesus would ask for two witnesses to a crime
against a child, and the intention was for us to obey blindly
is ridden with evil intentions and against the teachings of
Christ.**************************Protecting children is not
exactly worshipping a Golden Calf, not protecting them is
the same as scaraficing them to a god.**************************WTS
have divided themselves from Jehovah God against all reasonableness
and that is the source of the divisiveness. ****************are
we moaning and groaning over the detestible things i.e. pedophila
or are we moaning and groaning over the ones who are moaning
and groaning over the detestible things?????**************WTS
dialogues with "professionals" like Stark who have
no vested interest in the righteousness of God, or the any
love for the sheep, and then they won't talk to Bill Bowen.
Nor will they consider the gravity of pedophilia except to
pay it lip service and df anyone who wants protection for
children not JUST lip service.**********************Anyone
who thinks the theme of all of us is to BASH WTS needs to
seriously study their bible and seriously pray to Jehovah
for insight. The WTS is bashing Bill and those like him by
calling them apostate while the WTS have no love of righteousness
and is not even open to resolution. Claudine
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
11:09:22
Comments
Hugs for Bonnielynn !!! She called me with a Stupendous, Fantabulous
idea. This is something everyone can do. Big city, small town
it doesn't matter. Every place has law enforcement. Ask the
law enforcement in your town if it is against the law for
an organization to KNOWINGLY send known pedophiles to do door
to door canvassing work. Make copies of J. R. Brown's letters
and statements from the WTS website as proof. He has admitted
that a "repentant" pedophile can go door to door.
In fact that is what they are told to do. Yes they go with
someone else, but the other person does not know that the
partner they have in the door to door work is a pedophile.
In fact they could be one too. Neither of them would know
since it is all kept secret. So do you think your local law
inforcement would be interested? You can bet your Bippy they
would !! (Love Ya Bonnielynn) and Love Y'all to the rest,Loris
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
12:27:47
Comments
I've been reading this site for several months now and I have
a question. I agree with all that has been said about the
silentlambs. I will get to my question in a minute. My view
is that there hasn't been such a tavesty since before the
flood when Satan and his demons came to earth and took namely
all they chose of women. Today the same situation is occuring,
do you not think that Satan is behind this, do you not know
that he sees and gets pleasure out of it. My question is why
do not the brothers see this? In fact they are covering up
for them. So if indeed this is the case, what are we to do?
Flee, flee to what....Who else has the teachings of life?
Will Jehovah not stand up and settle this matter? jgibson@hamburg.heartland.net
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
12:42:32
Comments
Only man can make God's Law inequitable...and Jesus fulfilled
the law, did away with it and gave us the command to love
one another. Two witnesses is a guideline used by WTS in an
inequitable way without love. It is used to hide behind when
all else fails to cover their tracks. If this were not so,
there would be no problem. It did not keep the congregation
clean or promote love among the sheep. How many pedophiles
on file would it have taken for the WTS to realize that the
problem was only getting worst with each act of neglect on
their part? I guess they can say that it isn't very spiritual
to be upset about not waiting on Jehovah to do something about
the pedophiles and ill-treatment of victims. But I guess we
can say that is the poorest excuse every heard to do nothing
ourselves. So if the "goal" is to have love among
the sheep, a clean congregation, to worship Jehovah in truth
and righeousness - how is it that such hatefulness exists
(pedophilia & supporting them), dirt and filth contaminating
the congregation, and lies of selfrighteouness prevail????
Where are the fruits of the spirit and where is this thing
called loved? Blind love is blind to righteouness,and truth.
It is not the love Jesus recommended. Does Jesus love a pedophile
who goes out in service more than a child now grown whose
spirit is broken by inequity???? Does Jesus love a pedophile
who does his hours, places his magazines and does not take
responsibility for the devastation he/she caused???Does Jesus
Love those who support a pedophile and re-victimizes the victim
with this support. Or is this just all the victims burden
to carry??? Is a den of inequity a den of inequity or not?
********************************When Bible truth is twisted
to such an extent that right is wrong and wrong is right,
one must look to the source of this teaching. Jesus is High
Priest and He taught love of what is good, and benefical and
he also said that to what you do to the least one of these
you do to me. Jesus is watching and reading the hearts of
each of us. No one is exempt from this examining of the heart.
To allude that Jesus would tolerate the mistreatment of children,
the broken in spirit for any reason is against all the teaching
of Christ - these were the people He loved the most and died
so graciously for. For anyone, even the WTS, to teach any
different is apostacy to the true teachings of Christ. The
yoke of Jesus is light and it is a wrong teaching to burden
the burdened, to break the spirit of the broken in spirit,
and to mistreat the innocent by calling them workers of lawlessness.
Amen, soapbox
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
12:50:47
Comments
Hi SLC, bjc here. I'd like to mention a few "facts" not
correctly understood by most who hear of this book called "The
Report". Also a few point about the people associated
with it. In reference to "The Report", I've been
associated with "The Report" book and related literature
and its publishing for over a decade now. *******************In
the beginning, the author of "The Report" maintained
a PO Box in Florida early on (1991-1994) since that was the
first place the book was promulgated thru newspapers to as
many Jehovah's Witnesses as could be reached in the area.
Nevertheless, it has always been based in Alabama, where the
publisher actually lives. (The name "TWMC Publishing" was
recently changed to "EMC Publications" by the author
of the book.) The author did maintain a couple of websites,
www.the-report.com and one before that for a few years, but
it has since been discontinued. (1994-1997)***********************I've
noticed there is a lot of misinformation about the book and
what the book actually says out and projects for JWs on the
net, such as Randy's freemind.org and jw.com. This statement
is an example of misinformation: "...it is reported they
believe that JAH is going to clean up the WT". Absolutely
false. They DO NOT believe Jehovah is going to "clean
up the WTS". They believe the WTS is incorrigibly wicked,
irreformable and will in the end suffer "total destruction" as "Babylon
the Great", shortly to be fully revealed. (See page 59
of "The Report" Volume I.) In addition, they also
believe specifically that the Governing Body will in time,
be revealed as the "man of lawlessness", someone
beyond reform. (See pages 168-182 "The Report" volume
I.) As you recall, I posted information on the "man of
lawlessness" on silentlambs to you and a few others,
and you posted it on jw.com. *******************The "Report" shows
that practically all of the 6 million Jehovah's Witnesses
worldwide, the people themselves are largely duped by the
WTS, given only an "elementary education" of scripture
(only fundamental truths, like correct view on "hell" [grave],
no "hellfire," no "trinity," man to live
on paradise earth", etc. It is easy to prove that many
of these very same fundamental "truths" still "live" within
the Adventist Community, where C.T. Russell got them in the
first place. For example, G. Storrs on hellfire, immortality
of soul. C.T. Russell learned these viewpoints directly from
him. Also CT Russell inherited his "achilles heel" teachings
from the adventists too. Like 1914, invisible parousia, and
a 2-stage second coming of Christ. The "Proclaimers" book
pgs. 42-48, 132-134, 631 give eloquent testimony.) Of course
most know these are all ease to prove falsehoods! In fact
CT Russell, history books shows, joined Adventist Jonas Wendell's
group between the years of 1870-74, and was a disciple of
this adventist for 4 years, and learned everything he could
from this man. This is something the WTS will not admit. But,
history books reveal Jonas Wendell in 1874, even began to
teach the date of 1914. Russell left the group that same year,
1874. However, N. Barbour accepted this, as he was a reader
of the writings of Jonas Wendell too, in 1875. You may recall,
Jonas Wendell is mentioned on page 120 of the "Proclaimers" book,
as having been instrumental to the education of CT Russell
in his early years. But whats not revealed is the fact that
Charles Russell was a member of his Adventis church, and Wendell
was Russell's church leader for 4 years. They just say it
was a "learning period" of young CT Russell, between
the years of 1870-75, pg. 718 of "Proclaimers" book.
When in fact, history books show, he was a member of the Adventist
Group headed up by Jonas Wendell. Then after that, in 1876
CT Russell meets N. Barbour, but actually contributes nothing
along the lines of any teaching about chronology leading to
1914. This all came all from Adventist N. Barbour. So, the
article of 1877 "Three Worlds..." that supposedly
was so critical to Russell's learning and spiritual growth
thru God's spirit as the the WTS would have us believe, actually
came about inadvertently from Adventists teachings, and N.
Barbour's being influenced by Jonas Wendell and other Adventists.
Russell's only contribution to "Three Worlds..." was
some information on the "Ransom sacrifice" and restitution.
N. Barbour had the chronology and 1914 teaching. But Russell
left Barbour, yes, HE STOLE the 1914 chronology and teaching
from N. Barbour and Jonas Wendell, spiritualized the 1874
date as a special "harvest" taking place of 40 years
up to 1914, which was supposed to be Armageddon. And so on
and so on the story goes...whew! Nevertheless, all of these
facts were hid by the WTS from the flock of JWs in general.****************Meanwhile
back at the ranch, the WTS has been so successful in fooling
non-beroean JWs in general, and fooled them into believeing
that they, WTS actually understand bible prophecy and how
it applies. But in truth, they never taught the "deeper
things of God", like bible prophecy correctly. This "ignorance" of
scripture, makes it easy for the WTS and G.B. to pass themselves
off as the F&DS, but are actually impostors. "The
Report" shows using this insidious format, and misapplying
Matt. 24:45 the WTS/G.B. works to gradually lead JWs into
false worship of themselves in demanding complete obedience
to the WTS/G.B. over Almighty God. Prophecy reveals Jehovah
God is of course, aware of all things. Allows the situation
to develop, it works out as a perfect "test" of
His Name People. It is outright idolatry and will not be tolerated
Him. But how JWs are going to see it as it is? That's the
question. All are aware that God "shares" His "glory" nor
worship with no one, not even Jesus Christ! They know this.
But how will they react, as a people, in reality? (See Isaiah
42:8) *****************So God permits all of these happenings
which in the end, actually force a serious revelation for
all Jehovah's witnesses worldwide. It reveals the great truth
that Jehovah's Witnesses are really God's Name people, mystery "Israel" of
Bible prophecy. And they are fulfilling it, by their every
move and thought. God knows their every move, and speaks of
it thru prophecy, AHEAD OF TIME. Showing His "All-Knowingness" or
Omniscience of the seeming tragedy, that works out as a great
blessing for Israel -- their rebirth as "Israel".
(Matt. 19:28; Acts 3:20, 21)This special "knowledge" of
being "Israel" is forced upon themselves by the
trouble they are led into. But they are delivered from this
Great Distress. (Jeremiah 30:7; Ezekiel 20:35-38; Rev. 12:1-6)
*************************But first they are "disciplined" for
sin, and then God later "restores" them to their
rightful place of enormous favor, as His Name people. All
the world will recognize this as the eternal purpose of God.
(Isaiah 60th chapter) **********************In all of this,
we must remember, the "restoration" of JWs is in
the future, and only occurs for JWs (a faithful remnant, a "refined
third" prophecy says) when they finally learn to SEVERE
their ties with their mysterious leader, the WTS/GB. Then,
the things are put in place for the "restoration" process
to begin. (Zech. 13:8,9) The "remnant" of JWs prove
to be the mysterious "third" (the worth redeemables
of JWs) spoken of in the book of Revelation 8:7-12 and 9:18-21.
But this restoration of "Israel", will take some
time. ***************One things for sure, it definitely requires
God to take special action against "Israel", to
discipline them, as His "sons". His direct intervention
as God Almighty, will show all concerned, that they are not "illegimate
children" at all, but truly His "Sons", whom
He will discipline plainly in the sight of the whole world.
They are His Name People for all the world to see and comprehend,
and understand. Now, even the nations, the world in general,
can LEARN from this display of His Awesome Almighty power
to this special people, and they too, can become His servants.
They can learn from what God does to "Israel" to
serve God Almighty. (See Ezekiel 39:21-24.) *************So, "The
Report" reveals that everybody, everywhere will benefit
from this scenario! Even the "nations" too, get
a learning lesson from all of this. And of course, great praise
is brought to God's Name as a result, as God demonstrates
for all to see, He is one who does not show any "partiality" toward
anyone. He shows no is exempt or out of reach, from the discipline
of His outstretched Powerful Arm, not even His Name people.
By permitting this situation to develop, God shows to all
the world, "Judgment starts with the House of God".
(1 Peter 4:17) *****************And finally with this unusual
outcome of a seemingly dreadful situation, JWs will reach
their final "destination", and realize that "there
really is LIFE AFTER LEAVING the Watchtower Society. Wonderfully
so! In the end, it will become known to all that the WTS was
only a "golden cup" in God's Hand, that he could
discard at anytime. His instrument to use as He chooses, and
discards when the usefulness of it has been reached. They
same way he cast off the nation of Babylon, AFTER they served
their usefulness to His Divine Will. If and when they turn
on their own, to wickedness and idolatry away from God. (Isaiah
30:26; Jeremiah 23:19, 20; Micah 4:6,7; Jeremiah 51:7) Jehovah's
Witnesses will then learn entire expeience, that it was God
all along that had been helping them. It God, and not the
WTS! Now, after they learn this, they can rightfully re-gain
their original status with God, as mystery "Israel".
A privileged status achieved because of embracing these "fundamental
truths" possessed by the nation that honor God, coupled
with the fact that they willingly shoulded the weighty responsibility
to carry God's personal Name upon themselves, as His Name
people, ever since the year of 1931. **************Many of
you are probably wondering about the year of 1931. Actually,
the year of 1931 has an interesting background with JWs as
a people. This year is important in the history of all JWs
because it started (unbeknowst to JWs) a great, Godly 70-year
instructional period of "teaching" as a form of "discipline" for
the spiritual nation. The key period being between the years
of October 1931 to October 2001. Here are a few points: The
October 15 Watchtower magazine made a number of significant
changes in that year. (1) Put God's Name on the front cover
of the magazine, and has been there ever since, "Proclaimers" bk
pg. 124 (2) Removed the cross symbol off the cover of the
magazine, yearbook 1975 pg. 148 (3) Removed the names of the
editors of the magazine. "Proclaimers" bk, pg. 146)
*************Interestingly, point #3 was further emphasized
with a follow-up article in the November 1st Watchtower with
a straight-forward, hardhitting article called "Taught
of God". This article states, "The Watchtower recognizes
the truth as belonging to Jehovah, and not to any creature.
The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of
men, nor is it published according to the whims of men...Jehovah
God is the great Teacher of his children." The article
also went on to say that this magazine, The Watchtower magazine,
would be exclusively devoted to bringing out ONLY "God's
Truth that he teaches His children." Thus in this way,
it was to be clearly understood by all JWs, that Jehovah actually
becomes its true editor wherein the Watchtower magazine becomes
the "instrument" of God, and not "the instrument
of imperfect men", "Proclaimers" book page
143. That's why the names of the editors of the magazine was
removed. JWs then recognized that only "truth" should
come forth from this magazine, and not the "whimsical" ideas
of man. But Almighty God would take the lead in the instructional
process of giving His Children, Truth. *****************Then
too, previously, in the Sept. 15th, 1931 Watchtower magazine,
published a very serious article which was written to all
prospective JWs just before the "Special Name Campaign" of
October. This article outlined in detail the grave responsibilities
associated with "carrying the Name" upon themselves,
for all of those who were going to agree to doing this. It
was clearly stated in that article "serious consequences" awaited
all who agreed to accept this Great Name upon themselves,
but later in any way FAILED TO LIVE UP THIS NAME, or they
reproached it in any way. It was agreed that God would bring
these "serious consequences" upon these people for
carrying His name, and for any reproach they heaped upon it.
His Name must be honored in all things, at all times. That
would their responsibility to see that this became a reality,
lest God bring about the "severe consequences" as
righteous punishment upon His Name People. (See Watchtower
7/15/81 pg. 20. par. 17.) *******************So it could be
said that Jehovah God really did begin a 70-year "discipline",
teaching or training period of His Name People, similar to
what they experienced while in their exile in Babylon, as
Daniel "discerned" for himself. (Jer. 33:32; Daniel
9:2) Thus making it possible for Jehovah to take special action
for His Name People, in October of 2001. So, after this 70
year instructional period was up, Jehovah moves into action
by pulling "the sheets" off the Governing Body,
and exposing them as secret 10-year NGOs for the United Nations
in October 2001, on the 70th anniversary of being identified
by God's Name. Exactly on time. If God's people have benefited
from these 70 years of specialized training by Jehovah Himself,
using the "instrumental" publications that bear
His Name, they would act appropriately, as true "sons
of His". They would act as they should, based upon what
they have learned as a people, thru the official "instrument" of
God, the Watchtower Magazine and related publications. They
would recognize what the Watchtower Society was doing, was
pure satanic "idolatry", and would appropriately "flee
from it", 1 Cor. 10:14. ************"The Report" asserts
that JWs are fulfilling these prophecies as we speak. But, "The
Report" shows using Bible prophecy, that JWs will NOT
be destroyed as a people, but will be severely disciplined
or "chastised" by God, as would be expect of a loving
father giving discipline or further training to His Sons.
(Jer. 46:28; Hebrews 12:5-7)*********Whats Ahead For All JWs:
Based upon "The Report" shows using the prophecy
of Ezekiel 34:1-21, Jehovah initially takes action to save
two special groups of JWs. (1) The "Tents of Judah" first.
These particular "Israelites" (Jehovah's Witnesses)display
extraordinary faith in God's prophetic word so as to please
Him completely. These would include all JWs who were wrongly
disfellowshiped or disassociated and since left the JW organization
because of standing for right and maintaining a good conscience
with God, and refusing to practice what is wrong because the
WTS says so. Theses people are first on God's list to "save".
These faithful individuals are one who look to "God's
Prophetic Word" as a "light shining in a dark place" with
complete confidence. Having "faith", they please
their Creator and show outstandingly so, they have benefitted
from the "training" God has provided since 1931.
(Jer. 32:33; Hebrews 11:6; 2 Peter 1:19) What God has in store
for them as a reward, is unspeakably, incomprehensibly wonderful!!!!
I won't even attempt to explain that at this time. But its
reeeeaaaal good. (Jer. 33:3; Hosea 1:7; Zech. 12:7) Shortly
after that great "salvation" by God of which many
of you will probably be a part, Jehovah and Jesus will then
take immediate steps to bring out of the JW Organization the
SECOND group of faithful ones, ones He wishes to save from
the wicked clutches of the WTS. (2) These are no less the "Two
Witnesses" of Revelation 11:3. JWs who are for "reform".
A reform movement within the Jehovah's Witnesses itself, comprised
of individual member Jehovah's Witnesses who will push for
change and repentance (even if it means disfellowshipment)
upon the JW organization's part, (such as we see in the silent
lambs movement). These ones will gain a strong following amongs
JWs, but will in the end have to leave the organization because
of the entrenched wickedness of the WTS and majority followers,
who eventually end up in destruction following the WTS/G.B.
Revelation 11th chapter shows, God uses these small band of
reformers, the "Two Witnesses", in the most incredible
way to His own glory and praise, and after leaving the WTS,
on to greater "glory" for His Namesake to the world
in general, Revelation 11:7-13 indicates. I hope this helps.......bjc2read@yahoo.com
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
13:20:21
Comments
PS: SLC and interested ones: "The Report" comes
in three volumes. So its quite a bit of written material in
it. Volumes II and III are still non published works, released
to only a few individuals of "confidence". But Volume
I is available from the publisher, emcpublications@yahoo.com
to all who are interested.**************EMC Publications,
PO Box 230445, Montgomery, Ala. 36123*********** Also I forgot
to say, information on the "Great Name Campaign" of
October 1931 can be found in the "Jehovah's Witnesses
in the Divine Purpose" book, on page 126. A special publication "The
hope of the world is God's kingdom, and there is no other
hope" was released at that time, which included the text
of Brother Rutherford's talk on the New Name, and the contents
of the special "name resolution" which was unanimously
adopted by all Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide at conventions
around the world. These assemblies started in the summer of
1931 (Columbus, Ohio) and went on to some 50 additional assembly
sites around the world. Afterwhich, the Great "Name campaign" began
in October of 1931 where everyone possible was given "notice" of
this happening. *********bjc
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
13:26:37
Comments
to 12:50:47 Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn. I don't like JW's
either but come on thats the biggest bunch of twisted words
I've ever seen! It gave me a worse headache than trying to
understand some of the witness teachings. I think you need
to tell the author of this work to find another job or perhaps
become a fiction writer. Lets talk about helping the children
instead of more twisted prophecy.........Please?
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
14:00:37
Comments
I'll say it again…… This site is nothing
but a JW bashing party. If you want me to refrain from asking
questions about doctrine to keep me and maybe one or two that
have exposed this site for what it is, then I would ask that
you stick to what the purpose of this site pretends to be,
to help innocent children. I GUARANTEE there would be nothing
else for you to talk about. So take your JW bashing to another
one of your favorite sites and leave this site for the 3 people
that will be left. Lets see how you apply scripture to that
one. Also, In case you and all your friends don't know,
the posts on this site are typical of angry, hurt, confused,
insecure, bitter people who typically knock other to build
themselves up. I do not get the impression that they are from
genuinely abused people. If so, why aren't they on Dateline?
The posts engage in name calling, slanderous accusations with
ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF of evidence (i.e. “my whole family
was abused by an elder (gimme a break, did you call the police?)),
etc. However, I will say this: I honestly and with all my
heart hope that some of you have a change of heart. Remove
the hate that clouds your judgement, and if you wont return
to Jah, at the very least do something worthwhile for children
that are hurt not only by those who calim to be JW's,
but across the board. Set up a site for abused children period!
I'll tell you what, though, I wont be holding my breath
for that one.
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
14:40:05
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To the JW defender: This actually is a site for abused children.
Yes, some seemingly unrelated topics work their way in now
and then. But the root of the issue seems intrinsically related
to the structure and administration of the WTS. The issue
is not about a few predatory, ham-handed wolves in sheep's
clothing. It is not about a case, or a few cases that can
be attributed to some bad apple(s). The issue is about the
Society's handling of the situation. The issue is about what
further steps are taken, who is notified, who is protected
and supported, who is reported to the police - according to
actual WTS policies and procedures. The issue revolves around
where the rules originate, how they are disseminated, what
happens to those that fail to follow the man-made directives.
You are correct that if the topic was limited to people reporting
that 'Brother Roman Fingers groped me and the family pets'
then the forum would be short. It may feel off-topic to you
when someone belabors a point about the fact that C.T. Russel
used to sell Miracle Wheat, or that Rutherford and Franz built
a mansion in the 20's to welcome the resurrected princes (David,
Ezekial, Moses, and their buddies) back to earth. (By the
way, he was probably just watching the place, but Rutherford
lived in the mansion). But it is quite relevant in this context
- it speaks to the self-directed, man-made nature of the organization.
You do yourself a disservice by failing to see that the issue
is with the organization from its core out to the congregations.
- Buster
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
15:08:45
Comments
This is for the whiner that thinks we are having a JW bashing
party.*** This is no party. This is an Emergency Room. * Yes
this site is full of angry, hurt, confused, insecure, bitter
people. What do you think genuinely abused people should be
like? They have been driven away from Jah by JW's. Do you
think they should feel all warm and fuzzy towards them? 8
This site is full of hurt, confused, ABUSED people trying
to make sense of the horror of being neglected and discounted
by the very spititual shepherds they trusted their everlasting
life to. Now they struggle to get back to Jah, with dignity,
without the abusive shepherds beating on them. To regain trust
in God after such a heart-breaking beating of the spirit is
a difficult road to travel. Yes, there are a lot of scriptures
tossed around here. That shows that the WTS has not taken
away the basic love of God's Word from these sheep. Leave
us alone and let us heal in our way. We have open sores, oozing
pustulant sores. It's ugly to look at. If you can't take it
maybe you should get out of our Emergency Room. *** Loris
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
15:09:51
Comments
WHERE DO WE GO???.....We go to Jehovah and no one else! We
petition the High Priest Jesus and no one else. We go to the
Bible for God's word and no one else.*******to teach some
truth does not give anyone the "right" to lie about
other truths.********** A man who supports his family and
does one thing right does not give him the right or permission
to abuse the same family he supports.***********To give some
truth about God and lie about the rest is to lead people into
temptation and destruction just the same. To offer half truth
is to offer chaos and confusion. One half against the other,
a house divided destroys itself. c.e.
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
15:09:53
Comments
This is for the whiner that thinks we are having a JW bashing
party.*** This is no party. This is an Emergency Room. * Yes
this site is full of angry, hurt, confused, insecure, bitter
people. What do you think genuinely abused people should be
like? They have been driven away from Jah by JW's. Do you
think they should feel all warm and fuzzy towards them? 8
This site is full of hurt, confused, ABUSED people trying
to make sense of the horror of being neglected and discounted
by the very spititual shepherds they trusted their everlasting
life to. Now they struggle to get back to Jah, with dignity,
without the abusive shepherds beating on them. To regain trust
in God after such a heart-breaking beating of the spirit is
a difficult road to travel. Yes, there are a lot of scriptures
tossed around here. That shows that the WTS has not taken
away the basic love of God's Word from these sheep. Leave
us alone and let us heal in our way. We have open sores, oozing
pustulant sores. It's ugly to look at. If you can't take it
maybe you should get out of our Emergency Room. *** Loris
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
15:29:35
Comments
Thanks LORIS for your comments containing Emeregency Room.
I wrote something similiar but it is lost in cyberspace but
yours was more eloquent anyway. Just one more thought for
the JW defenders and I am one (for the past 35 yrs)...PEDOPHILIA
IS NOT A WEAKNESS...NOT JUST A SIN)...NOT A MISTAKE...IT IS
AN EVIL COMMITTED AGAINST CHILDREN..AN EVIL CHOICE TO BE EXACT.
JW's have no problem judging other religions and people as
evil, wicked, etc. but they have a hard time applying it to
one of their own. Fine works and scriptural teachings have
nothing to do with this cover-up. There are millions of good
people who faithfully practive the teachings of JW's BUT there
are thousands who are harming our children with the sanction
of the GB. If the statistics are correct, there are pedophiles
in almost every congregation. Although, you would like to
believe that ALL of them are disfellowshipped, the facts show
that most are not. You can talk about forgiveness and repentance
till Armageddon but it does not apply to pedophiles. The vast
majority do not change...they don't repent...until they are
caught. WHEN DO YOU FIND OUT IF THEY AREN'T CURED AND REPENTANT?...ONLY
WHEN THEY MOLEST ANOTHER CHILD...MAYBE YOUR CHILD...THEN HOW
FORGIVING WILL YOU BE? JW's want to believe that learning
the Bible will change all kinds of wicked people...and in
many cases it does...but not with pedophiles. WHY HAVEN'T
WE HEARD FROM ANY PEDOPHILES WHO HAVE CHANGED? IF THERE ARE
SOME IN THE WTS..WOULDN'T YOU THINK THEY WOULD HAVE WRITTEN
ABOUT IT HERE. Some people are just born evil and it doesn't
matter what you do to help them, they are not going to change.
Respectfully, jazbug55
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
15:47:28
Comments
Buster, Loris, SLC, XYZ, 123, ETC, – Once again, since
you're in denial, you've converted this site into
a bash-for-all. Now why can't YOU all admit something
that is proven time and time again on this site? Buster – You
say unrelated topics work their way in now and then? C'mon!
Buster - You think you answered the question by saying God
did not use these men. I hope you're better at reading
the bible than reading my posts. Stick to what your stated
mission is, don't confuse people that drop in and see
messages of hate, of pyramids, of NGO, etc. And if you veer
off topic and use scripture, describe what the original fulfillment
was, what the greater fulfillment will be, and how we can
learn from it. Of course, you will need the WT materials to
help you do that, other religions will stray you far, far
away from a clear understanding. I was talking about angry,
hurt, confused, insecure, bitter people who have a BEEF with
the WT for reasons such as hate, pride, and hate. I'd
like to ask those people, do you still preach? Did Jesus give
a reason to stop preaching? Do you often talk about paradise?
Do you teach others about biblical truths? Are you in a congregation?
I trust you all know that Christians are supposed to congregate
according to scripture. What is the name of your congregation?
Are any of you elders in your new congregation? Who is your
PO? Where do you worship? How do you handle judicial matters?
Oh, oh wait, all you do is post here on this site. I'll
leave you in your emergency room. I don't see any qualified
doctors.
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
16:02:24
Comments
Dear Brother Bowen: I am so sorry they disfellowshipped you.
I too am disfellowshipped for committing fornication with
an elder. Is it still all my fault if I am 18 and he is 48.
And he got public reproof. Even though I was of age I still
feel like a victim of a pedophile anyway thank you for being
a voice to stand up and help so many. Love unconditionally
Vanessa
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
16:25:06
Comments
Help, Help, Help!!!! My brother in Barcelona Spain has been
asking lots of questions, and wants to read the August Kingdom
Ministry that comments on treatment of df'd family members.
Does anyone know where I can find it online? He wants to see
if himself. Linda Thoman Linthoman@hotmail.com
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
16:25:11
Comments
Help, Help, Help!!!! My brother in Barcelona Spain has been
asking lots of questions, and wants to read the August Kingdom
Ministry that comments on treatment of df'd family members.
Does anyone know where I can find it online? He wants to see
if himself. Linda Thoman Linthoman@hotmail.com
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
16:25:13
Comments
Defender: Careful, you're gonna hurt someone's feelings. It
is curious how you dismiss discussions of your religion's
origins, it's basic tenets, and its dealings with it's members
with such ease. You get right to the indoctrinated Witness
speak that fills people with so much "hate, fear, and
hate." Perhaps you don't see it this way, but in general
Witnesses don't know the bible very well. They approach it
as they were taught: as a cosmic game of Scrabble a piece
here and a piece there to be assembled as a belief. It is
true that they can quote from any number of sriptures and
augment it with any amount of WTS commentary that had been
burned in by five meetings per week. But do they ever sit
and try to get a grasp of what the New Testament is about?
What was Paul trying to get across when he wrote his second
letter to the Corinthians. What were Paul's concepts of community?
Not in my experience. This leaves the majority of JWs vulnerable
to interpretations forced on them by an organization intent
on its own protection. If the JWs spent more time looking
at a bigger picture of the scriptures they would be more driven
by the overall gist and less by someone else's interpretation
of some snippet of a verse. I think that JWs (and most are
quite sincere) would then take up their responsibility to
understand what is required of them. They would be in a position
to realize that (here we get back to the point) it is not
reasonable to expect two witnesses to see a child molestation
before you can do something. It is not scriptural to beat
a three-year-old half senseless because he can't sit through
the second meeting (regardless of how many people give you
the 'spare the rod' snippet). They would have enough to realize
that their interpretation is wrong and that they should look
further. I ahve a dream ... - Buster
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
17:02:34
Comments
who's this brain dead jw defender who posted 00:45:39 aug
07 you want to talk about fornication what does the bible
say about fornication with the word of the real creator rev.
22:19 deut.5:11 etc. the nwt is a real piece of work.adultry?
have sex with another brother wife ,rape 5 10 kids sorry kids
brother molest-alot puts in more time than you besides we
just made him an elder he was apointed by the holy sprit.
you need to go out in the service with him wear clean panties
he.s your shepard mt.18:1-6 slander what wt zombies like you
say to change the subject and try to justify yourselves everytime
your busted in an other of the wt snowball of lies.see awake
5-22-90- pg. 12-13 fallacies in arguemention it's amazing
the balls the wt had in printing what deceptive tacticts they
teach thier members to use to make them right. read that awake
100 times look in the mirror each time I BET YOUR SO BLIND
YOU DON,T SEE IT cause your a ZOMBIE!!!!!!......loose conduct
what do you call going door to door decieving people into
a study in what ever book the wt is trying to clear out of
thier inventory even if it contains old light and crap you
never truly looked up wt books are so bad every verse is twisted
when wt talks about themself always using jehovah,s name to
glorify themselves. i,ve looked up all about earthquakes wars,famine,1914pestilances,etc.
the wt is LYING everytime as well as contadicting them selves.over
and over . apostasy what gospel is the wt teaching gal 1:1-10
wt gospel is to summit to wt not to jesus jn. 6:66-69 14:6
5:39-40 etc. jw,s are under the yoke of wt they have no freedom
in christ gal 5 1-7 2:4-5 5:45 etc. etc.etc. FAILED PROPHETS
/////?????THATS A WT SPECIALTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!WHAT HAPPENED
WHEN NANHAN TOLD DAVID TO BUILD THE TEMPLE THE SAME NIGHT
GOD TOLD HIM HE WAS WRONG NOT TO BUILD THE TEMPLE .WHAT HAPPENED
WHEN THE PROPHET SAID JERUSLEM WOULD BE SPARED JEREMIAH SAID
HE DIDN,T HAVE GOD HE DIED IN 2 YRS AS YEHWAH TOLD JEREMIAH
WHEN THE DISCIPLES THOUGH THE END WAS NOW JESUS STRAIGHTEN
THEM OUT RIGHT AWAY. NOT 80 YRS. LATER WHO is the fds when
jesus returns every eye will see him do i need to look up
that verse toooooooo!!!!!!!!!!! you gotta love every time
the wt calls some old wt book bible truth or some covention
forefullment of bible prophecy funny jw,s jump for joy when
i talk about about this proper food at the proper time until
i open the old books the 2002 wt calls the truth , funny how
faces turn to stone . when they don,t want to hear the wt
is lying to them now i,m an apostate and i printed this food
from the angels go ahead all you wt defenders your either
to dum or blinded by your jehovah you worship in brooklyn
to see the light when you come to jesus and only him and his
father and ask the holy spirit to lead you not bklyn then
preach to others lu 11:10-13 NO WT ZOMBIE CAN LAST 30 MINUTES
WITH THE TRUTH OF THE BIBLE AND THE TEACHING OF THE WATCHTOWER
BRCAUSE FOOLS OF THE WT. CAN,T EXCEPT THE FACTS THEY BEEN
LIED TOO TRUTH BOOK PG.13 J-CHITO@MSN.COM BRONX NY 19173710332
GOT MY NAME AND PHONE DON,T YOU THINK YOU CAN LAST 10 MIN.
WITH ME I,VE NEVER BEEN A JW HA HA HA NOW YOW WANT TO TALK
ABOUT 2 WITNESSES AND CHILD RAPIST HAVE I GOT A MILSTONE FOR
YOU GIVE IT YOUR BEST ZOMBIE TRY.. IT WILL BE ME TELLING JESUS
I FOLLOWED BKLYN....
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
17:06:33
Comments
Its gettin' spicy now
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
17:12:38
Comments
j_chito I WANTED TO SAY IT WILL,NT BE ME SAYING TO JESUS I
FOLLOWED BKLYN. LOVE TO ALL IN CHRIST JOHN
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
17:29:10
Comments
JW Defender: . . . . .Did Jesus form the christian congregation
first or condemn the Pharissee's first? I'm not sure, but
I'll be glad to discuss it with you at www.jehovahs-witness.com.
. . . . . . . .I would like to see less posts from "The
Report" etc, just email each other, please
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
17:33:41
Comments
I SEE ALL THE WT ZOMBIES HAVE NOT TRYED TO QUESTION ANY OF
MY POSTS J-CHITO@man.com because a simple review of the bible
and the wt teachings prove they are a false christ to any
interested jw,s in the bronx or lower westchester who truly
want to know about the watchtower don,t be shy i know a kingdom
hall that has a excelent library and can show you thousands
of watchtower lies .if thwy have not cleared the shelves since
the last time i,ve been there john tel. 19173710332
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
17:58:37
Comments
who is this jw jackass aug 7 14:0037 come on zombie read 5
22 90 pg 12 13 for you maybe TEN THOUSAND TIMES hope your
mirror don,t crack cause i wouldnot be in your shoes on judgment
day never heard you say followers of christ think about it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!you
are condemened by your words you have no knowledge why jesus
died onj the cross tyhats right on the cross there.s not one
jw that can prove different with out half
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
18:07:41
Comments
who is this jw jackass aug 7 14:0037 come on zombie read 5
22 90 pg 12 13 for you maybe TEN THOUSAND TIMES hope your
mirror don,t crack cause i wouldnot be in your shoes on judgment
day never heard you say followers of christ think about it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!you
are condemened by your words you have no knowledge why jesus
died onj the cross tyhats right on the cross there.s not one
jw that can prove different with out half quotes or wt garbage
i did my HOMEWORK!!!!!!!!!!!! in 30 yrs i have not found one
wt zombie who has done the research i have there is no jw
flunky that can truely go to the public library or the bible
to realisticly back up the wt fallacy. john tel 19173710332
call me and bare false witness in the name of the true creator.
freedom in christ to all
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
18:18:05
Comments
I think your web site is very needed, and I check it every
couple of days for updates. I fully support the Silentlambs
march, and I hope it is still on... and hopefully even more
thunderously since Bill,s disfellowshipping; because now,
there is injustice upon injustice upon injustice!!! We know,
do we not, that Jehovah HATES injustice?!! He himself WILL
bring the organization into account for it... Just you mark
those words!!! I want so much to march with all fo you, but
my circumstances will not allow it at present. However, I
will be watching the media coverage of it with my FULL support,
and Jehovah's, rest assured. My love for all you who love
justice and righteousness, JMD. (see Prov.21:3; 28:5; 29:7
NWT )
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
18:18:29
Comments
I am so happy that your site exists... I have left the WTS
4 years ago mainly because I have discovered the thruth about
the WTS on the internet. But now the child molestation cases
is really something that makes me react.Thank's again for
letting us know what's happening on a regular basis. My daughter
is married to an elder and I dont miss a chance to let them
know the real situation about the WTS and child molestation
situation ...Thanks to you again ! J-P. (jpbourassa.@sympatico.ca)
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
18:18:53
Comments
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
18:21:01
Comments
I think your web site is very needed, and I check it every
couple of days for updates. I fully support the Silentlambs
march, and I hope it is still on... and hopefully even more
thunderously since Bill,s disfellowshipping; because now,
there is injustice upon injustice upon injustice!!! We know,
do we not, that Jehovah HATES injustice?!! He himself WILL
bring the organization into account for it... Just you mark
those words!!! I want so much to march with all of you, but
my circumstances will not allow it at present. However, I
will be watching the media coverage of it with my FULL support,
and Jehovah's, rest assured. My love for all you who love
justice and righteousness, JMD. (see Prov.21:3; 28:5; 29:7
NWT )
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
18:27:46
Comments
*****the mole***********Time has it where talks now are on
gossip and the love of children. The ears of the weak are
now being bent to hear the glory of the Society. Many of us
have waited but none have come to address a real answer, for
week i have sat and tried to read between the lines but no
direct mention of any wrongdoing has been mentioned and will
not be in the future. My friends and those of us with the
same inclination have gathered silently and inquired over
dinner the thoughts and ideas of NBC this past weekend. Whether
the Organization wants to admit it or not, it was bad PR for
them, and not addressing the issue has made it worse. The
kindness of Jesus Christ seems so missing in our hall, any
warmth of friendship seems to be replaced by a cold orgaizational
approach that assumes the worst, gives no benfit of doubt,
and viewed with forbearance patience as a weakness. Inimical
to the intersts of the organization it has only one goal:
uniformity and conformity. With its massive legal machine
being put into motion and grinding along in an unfeeling,
unrelenting way toward its ultimate objective, to crush anyone
who speaks out and doesnt fit their mold. I find it hard to
believe in some ways but my experience being involved with
the religion since birth often negates that idea to defend
the organization. I can think of nothing that would be more
helpful to all of Jehovah's Witnesses everywhere to enable
them to have a balanced, not a one-sided, view of what took
place, the climate that prevails, these so called men connected
to god to be so cold as to really think silencing members
who cry out in pain, Reformation is the key and it begins
from the inside out.......*******the mole***************
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
18:42:56
Comments
Nevermind y'all...I found the KM I was looking for. Linda
Thoman
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
18:43:02
Comments
Nevermind y'all...I found the KM I was looking for. Linda
Thoman
Remote User:
Date:
07 Aug 2002
Time:
19:12:47
Comments
////*Hello, I am sending exerts from the media of statements
made from a ‘spokesman' of the Jehovah Witnesses.
The reason that I am sending this is to show that THE WT ORGANIZATION
admit to knowingly allowing ‘known' pedophiles
to minister door to door to the public, to us, to your family,
friends, and neighbors! To knowingly allow a pedophile to
go door-to-door and minister is potentially putting people
and their children in danger. This has to be against the law!
Isn't it? Please put a stop to this! The organization
has admitted to having files on child molesters. They have
admitted ‘internally investigating' accusations,
how can they do this without the proper training?//// Louisville
Courier-Journal, 1-4-01 J.R. Brown, director of public affairs
for the Jehovah's Witnesses, Brown said PEDOPHILES are restricted
from working with minors and must also be with a well-respected
church member when they GO DOOR TO DOOR. PEDOPHILES also might
not be SENT into neighborhoods where they might be recognized
as molesters, Brown said. /////*But they are still sent to
neighborhoods!///// Paducah Sun 2-12-01 Tennessean/ Nashville…………….
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