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Remote User:
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01 Jul 2002
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01:04:41
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Linda, Where did you get the 4th edition of Crisis of Conscience? All I could find was the 3rd edition. Age00

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01 Jul 2002
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02:36:52
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I want to say Thank You! so much for this site. I too have an awful story of abuse during my childhood growing up as a Witness. I'm sad to say one of the responsible ones is an elder in the same cong. today! I am so glad there is finally a place for victims to feel support after having to stay in the "closet" for so many years. If the news media only knew the half of what is and what has gone on for many years it would fill a month's worth of programming. I truly feel that there is an uprising on the way. You can only keep people in the dark and feeding them $%^$ for so long before they revolt. When they do revolt it will be the cleansing that has been needed for 100 years. Then the protectors of the pedophiles can start their own society and leave the true believers to worship in the way that is pure and right. It is wonderful that there is going to be a march on the headquarters in Sept. I would love to be there and join the others with a like story. I have never been a beggar but I think this is worth asking. I was disabled about 10 years ago and only have a small Social Security check every month to exist. I want to be in the march in Sept but don't have any way financially to do it. If there are any others who could help me get to the march I would be eternally grateful. If by some chance I don't have enough to get there I will return every dime back to those who gave. If you can help in any way please contact me. If nothing else meeting others with a like past would pump us both up. I look forward to hearing from any and all. Thank you K Henderson khenderson@lionco.com

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01 Jul 2002
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02:40:00
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To Linda Thoman: Yes Linda, I noticed I forgot the Y of YOUR engagement, but it was too late. I had hit the button! I was thinking about writing it again, but I figured you would understand!!!!;-)) So again ... CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR ENGAGEMENT!!!!! Europe

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01 Jul 2002
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06:47:38
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K, I think you have everything right except that it's not going to be the pedophiles and their supporters who 'leave and start their own group'. I think the people here are going to have to do that. Good luck on your trip.

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Date:
01 Jul 2002
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08:48:29
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Re Your Comment: --- We speak openly amongst ourselves, amongst our friends, family, parish, to our priests and others. --- This, in my opinion, is a very telling statement. You talk among yourselves -- not publicly as this web site does. You're going on the assumption that I don't know Catholics. I've known them in several different states and countries for 50+ years, including one woman who was taken sexual advantage of by her priest when she went to him in mental and emotional distress over her marriage. However, that was in the very early 1970's and I lost contact with her. She confided in me but was terrified about my telling anyone else, so I promised I wouldn't and didn't. From what I saw on a program the Public TV Station, this is an uncommon occurrence within the Catholic Church but, being that it's girls and women and it's the common belief that girls and women "ask for it" (that's what they said on the TV program), there is a lack of the critical attention this heterosexual abuse requires. You're trying to make it look as though Catholics don't have any problems because they speak freely and that just simply is not true. YOU may have an experience or circumstance or group that gives you opportunity to speak freely but that does not mean that it is true for the vast majority of Catholics. There are plenty of people -- of your and other religions -- that wouldn't speak against their religious organization and they, over time, also suffer the mental, emotional and physical difficulties that anyone would suffer for keeping important issues bottled up inside of them. The issues may not be important to anyone else but they are important to that person. I think it's terrible that a person would not have an understanding ear, even if it's an issue only relevant to themselves. I don't need to come to this web site to speak freely. However, the very fact that JWs and former JWs DO talk openly and PUBLICLY is, in itself, commendable -- not shameful. The irony of this is that it leads YOU and others like you to think that there is a very disproportionate problem among JWs that does not exist in any other religion, including Catholics. This, frankly, is just not true. It's also very unrealistic. All the people in this whole world are subject to sin. There are too many influences to encourage gross sin and heinous acts against one another. Many people are guilty of hurting one or more people, including sexual abuse. They even have laws against husbands raping their wives! Who are you trying to kid? JWs, through their publications, are trying to help people to be AWARE of these pitfalls, to help them recognize people and situations and to act appropriately in these situations, even within their own organization. I, personally, do not make excuses for wrongdoing, however, I know that no matter what label one chooses to pin on themselves, there are some things that a "label" won't change -- each person's own, personal internal makeup. The person, herself or himself, has to work on making those changes. The Catholic Church hides even criminals within the walls of their churches and refuses to turn them over to law enforcement authorities. It's called "sanctuary". Priest's will refuse to reveal the identity of those who confess to them of serious crimes because of Priest/Confessor Privilege. Therefore, even when they know they can help a police investigation and even when they're asked by the authorities to help them by giving them the name and location of the criminal, they won't divulge that information. It appears that is true even when an innocent man or woman is in jail and charged with a crime the priest knows was committed by someone else. This is COMMON KNOWLEDGE. So, please, don't get on your self-righteousness bravado and act like everything is so much better in the Catholic Church or any other church. The Catholic Church has had CENTURIES to correct the problems in their church. When the Bible is very clear in what it teaches in the areas of morality, why would it take CENTURIES for the Catholic Church to FINALLY look at the problem? It appears to have taken police investigations, court cases and bad publicity that brought these problems out in the open to the point where the Catholic Church couldn't ignore the problem anymore -- and that's only priests molesting boys. They haven't done anything about the sexual abuse of girls and women yet. We're all a bunch of scum bags (even if we live "good" lives, there isn't one of us that is perfect) in the eyes of the one and only true God and it's ONLY by Christ's ransom sacrifice and his perpetual pleading before his father in the heavens that ANY of us have a chance before the almighty God. Personally, I do not believe that there is ANYONE that has more honest and open dialog than JWs -- even now. Dateline said it 2 times -- JWs are the ONLY religion that has a judicial system in place within its organization. The only thing that has been proved is that the JW's judicial system fails people sometimes the same as man's secular judicial systems do. That's not giving my approval or making an excuse for the failures in the JW or secular judicial systems. However, I'm positive that the JW judicial system will be "cleaned up" a lot better and sooner than the world's secular judicial systems. No, JWs are not repressed. They're, for the most part, very honest people. You don't see anyone trying to shut down this or any other web site by JWs. However, it would be interesting to see what would happen in other religions if people were writing as they do here -- where the WHOLE WORLD that wants to can also be privy to it. Since there really are not any web sites like this one for any other religion where ANYONE can access, there's no way to know what the individual church's reactions would be. Therefore, your arguing ANYTHING in this matter is mute.

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01 Jul 2002
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09:34:52
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DID EVERYONE GET BILL'S E-MAIL???????? He mentioned another suit being filed Tues. and he will be at the press conference. I too will be there. I will give him a hug for everyone!!!!!! I can't say where it will be at this time, I am sure everyone understands why. I love you all--keep talking, we can make a difference!!!!!!!! Love Jesika Thoman

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01 Jul 2002
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09:51:36
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BROOKLYN DAILY EAGLE - OCTOBER 29, 1911 on C. T. Russell's Scandal GIRL KISSED PASTOR AND SAT ON HIS KNEE But Mr. Russell at the Tabernacle: Only Submitted to it to be Kind. MAY HAVE FELT HER PULSE He Sometimes Ministered to the Sick, Locked in Another Girls Room Innocently. (Special to The Eagle) BROOKLYN DAILY EAGLE - OCTOBER 29, 1911 Pittsburgh, October 27 - The suit for a separation brought by Martha (sic)F. Russell against Charles Taze Russell, her husband, popularly known as Pastor Russell, who has just entered a libel suit against The Brooklyn Eagle, is remembered here as one of the most sensational court proceedings in the history of Allegheny County. Pastor Russell's Advertising methods had already attracted a good deal of attention to himself, and while many referred to him as "the crank preacher of Allegheny," his unusual lectures and effective publicity methods drew good-sized crowds to his Bible House on Arch Street. When the fact that Pastor Russell's wife was suing him for a separation became public much general interest was aroused and the courtroom was thronged during the proceedings. The testimony which elicited the most comment concerned the relations of Pastor Russell with Rose Ball, a young woman stenographer employed by Pastor Russell in the Bible House on Arch Street. This testimony was given by Mrs. Russell on direct examination on Thursday, April 26, 1906. It was ruled out by the court on the ground that the incidents to which reference was made were said to have occurred on a date which precedes the dates mentioned in Mrs. Russell's bill of complaint. Pastor Russell recurred to the incidents when he went on the stand several days later, and gave his version of what had happened. Rose Ball was not called to the stand, as she left for Australia shortly before the case came to trial. The verbatim record of this testimony taken from the official report of the case on file in the office of the Prothonotary of Allegheny County is as follows: Q. I want you to tell us what your husband did in company with this woman Rose, in your presence and in your home. A. In the first place I considered it--(objected to and witness was not permitted to finish.) Q. Tell us what you saw and what he said was done. A. One evening he spent the evening downstairs and our library and bedroom were next to each other upstairs on the second floor, and I spent the evening downstairs reading, and I went upstairs about 10 o'clock to my room, and I supposed that: he was either in the library or had retired, and when I went up there I found that he was in neither place, and I stepped out in the hall, and I found that he was in his night robe, sitting beside Miss Ball's bed and she was in bed. On other occasions I found him going in there and I found she called him in and said she wasn't well and wanted him in, and I objected to this, and I said that it was highly improper, and I said: "We have people about the house, and what kind of a name will be attached in this house if you do that sort of thing?" and he got angry. Pastor's Wife Tells of His Alleged Nightly Visits Q. You state that you found him doing this at other times. How often after that? A. I found him a number of times; I don't remember how often. Q. In her room? A. Yes, sir. And I found him in the servant girl's room as well. and I found him locked in the servant girl's room. Q. Did he make any explanation why he was in the girl's room? A. No. He did not; he just got angry. Q. What did you say to him about this conduct and what did he say. A. I said to him, "We have a great work on our hands," and I said, "In this work you and I have to walk very circumspectly before the world and if you are going to do things like this, what will happen? Suppose you are all right, don't you suppose people will talk about things like this?" and I said, "I am not satisfied with it," and he said he wasn't going to be ruled by me. But I felt distressed about that. Q. What did Rose do at the Watch Tower. A. She attended to the correspondence. Q. Where was her desk with reference to the desk of Mr. Russell of the Watch Tower Society? A. It wasn't near his; it was in the office. Q. When would he go to the Watch Tower, in the morning? A. I don't remember; he generally went down alone. Q. Who would return with him? A. She came with him in the evening and they came about 11 o'clock and the young men that were in the office -- she was the only girl, and the young men would go home, and he wouldn't allow her to go home with them, and she must wait and always go with him. (Objected to.) Q. I want the mere fact, did this girl Rose go home with your husband? A. Yes, Sir. Q. What year was that? A. In the fall of 1894. (By Mr. Porter, attorney for the plaintiff.) Q. Did you state to your husband at this meeting any endearing terms? A. Yes, sir. Q. What were they? A. I said "She tells me that one evening you came home --" I asked her when did these things occur. I said to him, "She says they occurred down at the office when she stayed down there with him in the evening after the rest had gone, and at home at any time when I wasn't around." Q. Now, about the endearing terms? A. She said one evening when she came home with him, just as she got inside the hall, it was late in the evening, about 11 o'clock, he put his arms around her and kissed her. This was in the vestibule before they entered the hall, and he called her his little wife, but she said "I am not your wife." and he said "I will call you daughter, and a daughter has nearly all the privileges of a wife." Q. What other terms were used? A. Then he said, "I am like a jellyfish. I float around here and there. I touch this one and that one, and if she responds I take her to me, and if not, I float on to others"; and she wrote that out so that I could remember it for sure when I would speak to him about it. And he confessed that he said those things. Q. And the young men came home ahead of them? A. Yes, sir. Q. State to the court and jury what talk, if any, you had with this girl Rose, in regard to her relations with your husband, which you communicated to your husband? This question was objected to and it was changed to read as follows: Q. You are to tell what you stated to your husband that Rose had said and his reply to you. Mrs. Russell Says Girl Told Her of Pastor's Caresses. A. I told him that I had learned something that was very serious and I didn't tell him right away. I let a day elapse until I felt I had control of myself and could talk and then I told him that I had something very serious to tell him about this matter, and he said, "What is it?" and I said, "Rose has told me that you have been intimate with her, that you have been in the habit of hugging and kissing her and having her sit on your knee and fondling each other, and she tells me you bid her under no account to tell me, but she couldn't keep it any longer. She said if I was distressed about it she felt that she would have to come and make a confession to me, and she has done that. (By the court.) Q. What did he say? A. He tried to make light of it at first and I said, "Husband, you can't do that. I know the whole thing. She has told me straight and I know it to be true." Well, he said he was sorry; it was true, but he was sorry. He said he didn't mean any harm. I said, "I don't see how you could do an act like that without meaning harm." Linda Thoman Linthoman0705@aol.com

Remote User:
Date:
01 Jul 2002
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09:54:38
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To those interested in buying Crisis of Conscience 4th Edition ...go here: http://www.freeminds.org/sales/books.htm Linda Thoman

Remote User:
Date:
01 Jul 2002
Time:
10:36:08
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I just read a posting from a person who was upset with dateline, this website and Bill. One comment was the damage that Bill has done to the 6 million Witnesses can probably never be undone. Question dear poster: Do you not understand that Bill tried internally to deal with this problem but only received roadblocks from the Society? Do you not understand that the victims are you and the abused because the society DIDN'T DO A THING TO SOLVE THIS, but was more concerned with coverup? We see here a typical member also not dealing with the issue and likewise concerned about protecting the Watchtower Corporation. Did it ever occur to you that this may be a sign from Jehovah saying to people put your trust in me instead of these self proclaimed spokespersons in New York City! I feel you are concerned about protecting religion, not protecting children. You love the corporation first and the true victims second. I would not be surprised it you took full advantage of broadcasting the Catholic Church scandal(Which is wrong also), but now the shoe is on the other foot. The simple fact is the leaders of the Watchtower are not inspired, and yes like you say when things don't go to plan, THEY ARE IMPERFECT HUMAN BEINGS. WELL START TREATING THEM LIKE IMPERFECT HUMAN BEINGS and stop buying everything they say as if it was direct from God. FJ

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Date:
01 Jul 2002
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11:16:10
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Hey all, check out the JW's stats report! http://www.jwic.com/stat.htm Linda Thoman

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01 Jul 2002
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12:44:04
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(See? It's not as cut and dried simple as you think ...) Actually, it is. First, I like to say, that I have many friends from different religious backgrounds (Catholics, Baptist, Jewish, Protestant, JW, Muslin etc ...), and I am happy to say that I do not discriminate or hate any on them because of there beliefs……. Next, it is a FACT, that when the Catholics where caught and exposed, they attempted to blame everyone else but themselves……Just to go the Boston Globe website for the FACTS and EVIDENCE…….Also, it is a FACT, that the Catholic Bishops in Dallas fell short in dealing with their big problem in the pedophile scandal, namely, themselves…..If a Bishop protected a KNOWN CHILD ABUSER and broke the law, he should be in JAIL, ….. So who is still denying and ignoring their own SCANDAL??????Who is being manipulative?????Who has much, much to learn about the Catholics scandal ??????Also, you seem to express a lot of hate and anger when describing the WTS….WHY???????ANGEL31

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01 Jul 2002
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13:05:31
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The last post is suggesting that the WT society is a loving group just like any other religion. Here is a small example of their love. "They are not to assume the attitude or follow the sinful course of Christendom's lucre-loving clergy, who abuse and destroy the "sheep", scatter the flock, and even rob and devour widows' houses to satisfy their lustful and greedy appetites." (The Watchtower, 4/15, 1950, p.121) Want more examples of love? Just ask. It's there.

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01 Jul 2002
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13:30:09
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in reference to the posting about pastor Russell: back then women in the work force were called "girls" to lower their status as compared to working men. Although the reference to the girl sitting on his knee and kissing him sounded like a child, not a woman. Have I misread this? Larry ldsommer@hotmail.com

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01 Jul 2002
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15:10:31
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ANGEL31 --- Hi it's Jesika again. I also have a lot of friends from different religions and don't hold any beliefs against them. The Catholics scandal is merely used in reference(at least by me) to what can be done if we are not silent anymore. The anger displayed by many towards the WT is rooted(in my opinion) by hurt and betrayal. What has been taught to many JW's since birth(myself included) is how honest and up front they are. How right they are and how wrong every other religion on earth is. They were there to protect us and to save us from the wicked men of this world. They have forgotten to put God first and what he would want for all his children-- prejudice and abuse are not among them. All I want is for the WT to take responsibility for their own policy and admit it was wrong--or at the least change it and prove they are going to stick by it. No more children in any religion should suffer. I am focused on the JW's's because that was the religion that hurt me. I wish I could stop it everywhere, but I am not God-and I would never try to be. Thanks Jesika Thoman Dallas, Tx

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01 Jul 2002
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15:33:28
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Linda Thoman,….. As stated on this Website “We'd like to know what you think about our web site. Please leave your comments in this public guest book so we can share your thoughts with other visitors.”…… So, Linda, lets see who's comments above clearly indicate a tremendous ignorance regarding my postings specifically in regards to the Jehovah's Witness Organization …… On, Jun 19 2002, I ANSWERED a question POSTED by a REPORTER, along with a question of my own, in regards to the Jehovah's Witness Organization's ABUSE ALLEGATIONS…….……Afterwards, some individuals, including JESIKA, posted comments to my question…… So, who is being ignorant????????? I have done plenty of research on this Religion and many others, with an open mind and without being BIAS… I have all the facts, and much more, so I feel the need to post it when given the opportunity…..Just like YOU and everyone else on this and many other websites ……If you don't agree or like the FACTS, there is not much I can do about it…….. OK, here is your first lesson of the day…………………………..Check out this website www.religiousfreedomwatch.org,,some info from that Website……. “Hate propaganda is spread with only one purpose: to instill fear in the uninformed. Those who commit such acts are well aware that, left unchallenged, their lies will propagate and breed further acts of hatred, even violence. Throughout history, men and women of religion have stood against tyranny and fought for the natural right of all individuals to practice their own faiths and beliefs, free from harassment, suppression and persecution.”………………….OK, now the second lesson of the day…..When any one of Jehovah's Witnesses is accused of an act of child abuse, the local congregation elders are expected to investigate. Two elders meet separately with the accused and the accuser to see what each says on the matter. If the accused denies the charge, the two elders may arrange for him and the victim to restate their position in each other's presence, with elders also there. If during that meeting the accused still denies the charges and there are no others who can substantiate them, the elders cannot take action within the congregation at that time. Why not? As a Bible-based organization, we must adhere to what the Scriptures say, namely, "No single witness should rise up against a man respecting any error or any sin ... At the mouth of two witnesses or at the mouth of three witnesses the matter should stand good." (Deuteronomy 19:15) Jesus reaffirmed this principle as recorded at Matthew 18:15-17. However, if two persons are witnesses to separate incidents of the same kind of wrongdoing, their testimony may be deemed sufficient to take action…….Linda, as you can see , I have done more than my share of RESEARCH…….So for now , I will go by the FACTS and EVIDENCE I have researched……Don't get me wrong, if the Cases Pending find the WTS guilty of breaking the law, my opinions WILL CHANGE ...……Thanks for your comments Linda…… ANGEL31

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01 Jul 2002
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15:40:20
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7-1 -- 8:48 Lord help you child. It is impossible for me to reach someone so vehemently ENTRENCHED in denial. Only God can do it. I pray He will.

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01 Jul 2002
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15:42:47
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HEY LARRY --- I think you may have over looked this line in the posting(I had to go back and read it again after reading your post)The testimony which elicited the most comment concerned the relations of Pastor Russell with Rose Ball, a young woman stenographer employed by Pastor Russell in the Bible House on Arch Street. She is refereed to as a young women, plus I wouldn't think they would ship a child to Australia. Even though it wasn't a child it does show he didn't practice what he preached-morally anyways. Love Jesika Thoman Dallas,Tx

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01 Jul 2002
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16:00:42
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ANGEL31 --- OK, doing research is great-that I agree with. The two witness thing--I DO NOT!!!! My uncle molested me (Linda's brother) and since he didn't do it to someone else(that I know of) than I am at fault for coming forward against another brother!!!!!!!!!! Nothing in this world would be able to convince me of that!!!! My sister had 5 WITNESSES-- but the elders wouldn't allow them to speak!!! Like I have told others --- If no one witnesses a person that got murdered--is the person faking being dead??? The only witness is the victim!!!! My innocence was murdered and since I have no other witness-it is dismissed!!!! THAT'S WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't care how much research you do --- it is still and will always be wrong. Even if the cases against the WT don't go all the way-to the point that you would change your opinion, like the example I stated above--if the murderer wasn't caught, or they didn't have enough evidence, was the crime not still committed and someone is still DEAD!!!!!!!! Like my innocence can never be given back!!!! I don't care about anyone's opinion--I know what is right and what is wrong!!!!!! Jesika Thoman Dallas,Tx

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01 Jul 2002
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16:09:17
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RE: Pastor Charles Taze Russell ...Interesting, but if the things you wrote are really true, where are the citations? --- Unlike the borg (who MYSTERIOUSLY are thrilled to accept unsigned, un-footnoted pieces of one-way babble as the HIGHEST form of journalism), that form of 'mystery writing' won't fly with the THINKING people at this website. EVEN THO, it might be something we would really LIKE to believe. So cough it up. Truth or rubbish?

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01 Jul 2002
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16:38:46
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Deuteronomy 19:15 One witness is not enough to convict a man accused of any crime or offense he may have committed. A matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses. --- Why does the Watchtower insist that this verse written thousands of years ago must be taken to the letter, yet other verses like Revelation 7:5-8, naming all of the 144,000 tribes of Israel, may be chucked into the rework pile to fit their theology. And all the luminous "New Light" that has showered us for the past 120 years from the society has been wasted on covering up 'prophecies' that never materialized. Certainly common sense should kick in with a little 'new light' where it truly needed like here. It is my opinion however that the real issue is protecting the societies image. After all, they have to protect at all costs the Watchtowers claims to be the Only True Christians on the earth. Here is an example of their boasting: "So where is true religion to be found? In all humility and honesty, we must say that Jehovah's Witnesses form an international community walking along this 'narrow and cramped road." (Watchtower, Dec. 1, 1991.p.8) So the whole world is wrong but them! Puts them in a rather awkward position when things go wrong. ===================================================

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01 Jul 2002
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16:39:46
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To Angel ...You wrote-“Hate propaganda is spread with only one purpose: to instill fear in the uninformed. Those who commit such acts are well aware that, left unchallenged, their lies will propagate and breed further acts of hatred, even violence. Throughout history, men and women of religion have stood against tyranny and fought for the natural right of all individuals to practice their own faiths and beliefs, free from harassment, suppression and persecution.” "Hate propaganda? Lies?" What propaganda, what lies? Perhaps there are those who are making hate-filled comments, but I do not carry hate towards any. Lies? What lies? Only the victim and the accused know if lies are being told. The remainder of your comments means absolutely nothing to me, because perps are not going to invite an audience!!! This abuse is a crime! ELDERS SHOULD NOT EVEN GET INVOLVED in these situations, but only to encourage the PROPER authorities be notified and it be handled by the police and not threaten victims and families of victims of disfellowshipping if they speak outside the congregation!!!! Elders/Congregations are NOT the Proper Authorities for these types of things!!! If it was something like the rule against Smoking, fine require two witnesses to make an accusation. Smoking isn't against the Law, but adults having sexual contact with a child/minor IS A CRIME!!! At that time the Elders should back off and allow the police investigations take their course and the guilty party go where they belong, jail. Who made the asinine decision that the Governing Body and the Society is the Judge, Jury and Executioner for everything? Oh yeah, I already know the answer to that one ...I've been reading Ray Franz 4th Edition of Crisis of Conscience! Sorry Angel, that nonsense about needing two witnesses to make an accusation is ridiculous when it involves crimes. Personally, I feel any and all Elders/Ministerial Servants/Governing Body Members, etc who have knowledge/evidence that crimes are taking place and do not provide that information to the proper authorities to handle the matter are almost as guilty of the perp, and should be charged with Withholding Evidence In A Criminal Case or something along those lines. And, I feel that any Elders/Ministerial Servants etc who have knowledge of crimes or past crimes that did not tell the proper authorities and take swift action to protect others from the perp should all be disfellowshipped themselves! Who will protect the "flock" when the friggin "Shepherds" are doing everything to protect the perps and the Societies Image and bank account! ARGH!!!!! Linda Thoman

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01 Jul 2002
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17:04:51
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" RE: Pastor Charles Taze Russell ...Interesting, but if the things you wrote are really true, where are the citations?" Your comment that it was "interesting" was my only intent by posting that information/link on this site. Where are the citations? I only provided what I found, so far ...Linda Thoman

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01 Jul 2002
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17:08:29
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" HATE PROPAGANDA IS SPREAD WITH ONLY ONE PURPOSE: TO INSTILL FEAR IN THE UNINFORMED" More Love From The Watchtower: "They [the clergy] have in fact represented the Devil, because it [the Church] is the Devil's organization." (J. F. Rutherford, Life, 1929, p292) "Such was the state of affairs by the time Constantine the Great laid the foundation of the Catholic church in the fourth century A.D., and down through the centuries since then, Christendom's multitudinous sects and cults have continued to hold sheep like persons in their parish fold, where they are plundered, exploited, fleeced and devoured for the pleasure and profit of the false shepherds." (The Watchtower, 4/15,1950,p119)

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01 Jul 2002
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18:07:24
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Question: If a congregation member is found dead(foul play)behind the Kingdom Hall, and there was not two witnesses to the crime, would everyone call it a night and just go home? Of course not. A crime has been committed. The police would be called in! The two or three witness rule MEANS NOTHING!!! Likewise, if a child reports being abused by an adult, and surprise, surprise, no one admitted it, would everyone call it a night and just go home? No, ...I mean Yes. And that is the problem. It is easier to hide the evidence within a helpless victim, and pretend life goes on. This is a crime also! Treat it for what it is. This is not a member found smoking which is not a civil crime. It is a sin in the eyes of the Jehovah's Witness though. So let the elders handle that. But on the dateline show the elder in court did not want to be forced to report crime for fear that no one will confess. That's fine if you want to harbor criminals. Let your conscience be your guide.

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01 Jul 2002
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What conscience??? There's an interesting post at Jehovahs-witnesses.com (or something very close to that) - it's about WHY people come back after having been DF'd. Top few reasons (in random order) a) miss their family and would rather fake repentance than continue alone without their family b) like having the society tell them what to do so they don't have to take on the complicated job of thinking through things themselves - they like the black and white of it and the spoon-feeding c) don't have another support system in place d) it's familiar, even if they know it's wrong e) something' to do

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Linda ...thanks for searching out the CT Russell stuff but I can't give it any credence until, perhaps, you've got more solid stuff. Even the story of Rose is pretty foggy. Too bad. Keep looking. If he was a pedophile, that would pretty much explain EVERYTHING, wouldn't it? Thanks for searching.

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Another suggestion: What is being done to lobby the other states that do not have reporting laws. Also does anyone know what the law is in Canada? The Catholic Church has been getting bad press there years before it surfaced in the States with the Catholics and the Jehovah's Witness.

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I am so shocked and whatever little I've read is enough - it's like entering an alien world. Sarote

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To ANGEL 31::::::::::::::::::I am very sorry if you are getting so upset, but if you think "hate propaganda" is wrong, what do you think of WTS's view on Christendom? JUST GRAB A WATCHTOWER OR AN AWAKE! MAGAZINE AND SEE WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT "CHRISTENDOM" FUNNY! The word "Christendom" means Christianity according to the Webster Dictionary. Therefore, Jehovah's Witnesses should be "Christendom", too, if we are Christians. But I have to say that I'VE NEVER HEARD THEM ( WTS ) SAYING MUCH ABOUT BUDDHISTS OR HINDUS ...just a thought to be fair ...

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My nephew and six of my nieces were molested by their fathers repeatedly, and the fathers molested each others children. They invoked the name of Jehovah in their actions, telling them that Jehovah told them to do it to punish them, or that Jehovah told them to do it to prepare them for womanhood. Heinous atrocities were perpetrated on the boy child, and yet, no one has represented him. Two girls charged the fathers, but they plea bargained rather than opt for trial, with the stipulation that no other child molestation charges could be brought against them in the state of Florida. The witness posse showed up at the sentencing, and though the children, weeping, tried to tell how their treatment affected them, neither the witnesses nor the father would look at the children as they sobbed out their stories. Mr. Hagens of the sex abuse division of the state attorney's office in Daytona Beach, FL, as well as the detective who gathered the information on one of the men, said it was the most heinous case he had ever seen. The detective found some 750 pages of reports of sexual misconduct (or suspected) on one of the men in the state of Florida. However, the sexual crimes he committed more recently in the state of Alabama far outweigh the gravity of what he did in Florida, but with the Jehovah Witness protection, he was able to keep hidden in what he did. A JW in the child protective service even called him once to warn him that the C.P.S. was on the way to get his children from school, and he was able to go get them before they had a chance to talk to the children. He had repeatedly told the children that if they ever told, he would kill their mother, his estranged wife. These men are out and with the flaunting their freedom, still reminding the children that they are still victims, in that they have never had to repent or recant, and indeed have never admitted what they have done. These children need to feel that someone is on their side. No one besides their mother and two aunts have been their advocates. Would appreciate your help. Susan K. Johnson, okee_dokey@yahoo.com

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I am pleased to find out about your website. I have not had time to browse. However, their are several people who, will hopefully find that they have support. susan k. johnson, okee_dokey@yahoo.com

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Hi again, The letter I wrote was my personal opinion but I still feel that the elders should protect it's members from pedophiles who attend the kingdom hall and when they knowingly allow a pedophile to attend the logical consequences is that a child has/is/will be molested or worse ... This is the nature of this type of deviant behavior ... all the quotes of law does not change this FACT ... When elders allow them (Pedophiles)to be in attendance at kingdom hall and/or social gatherings children think they are safe just because they are there ...When their parents and/or others smile and say hello to the offender children assume that person is OK ...By nature children are very trusting ... For pedophiles to get in with our children all they need is access (even just visually "smiling at our child as they go by" possibly) ...Then later they can stop by and offer children a ride home from school as our child walks. The excuse is "Just going by." or give children candy or accidentally go by their school(in another town)to see your child or just molest the child right there at the hall often in sight of others ... How long does that take? These situations have and do exist in the congregation ... When they meet our children at the hall it is assumed they are SAFE ...We are told we are in a spiritual paradise ...as I quoted from Psalms in an earlier post ...If we dare to question this reasoning we have a bad attitude that needs adjusting ...don't not to be overly suspicious of our brothers ...Think about it ...Yes the elders owe our children whether in a court of law/settlement or before Jehovah God. The latter would not be so tolerant ...DJB

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THAT STATEMENT THERE IMPERFECT HUMAN BEINGS IS CRAP A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE IMPERFECT AND DON'T GO AROUND MOLESTING CHILDREN NOR DO THEY ALLOW IT AND SAY NOTHING TO STOP IT SO STOP USING THE DAMN EXCUSE THAT THE JW LEADERS ARE IMPERFECT HUMAN BEINGS SICK OF PEOPLE USING EXCUSES TO HIDE OTHER PEOPLES SIN EVEN THE BIBLE SAYS SINS WILL BE EXPOSED AND THAT'S WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE PEOPLE ARE BEING EXPOSED IN THE KH I have said enough for now Penny

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THAT STATEMENT THERE IMPERFECT HUMAN BEINGS IS CRAP A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE IMPERFECT AND DON'T GO AROUND MOLESTING CHILDREN NOR DO THEY ALLOW IT AND SAY NOTHING TO STOP IT SO STOP USING THE DAMN EXCUSE THAT THE JW LEADERS ARE IMPERFECT HUMAN BEINGS SICK OF PEOPLE USING EXCUSES TO HIDE OTHER PEOPLES SIN EVEN THE BIBLE SAYS SINS WILL BE EXPOSED AND THAT'S WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE PEOPLE ARE BEING EXPOSED IN THE KH I have said enough for now Penny

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I have written to the source of the information provided to me regarding my post about C.T. Russell's separation hearing. Once I hear back about further evidence of it's validity and truth, I'll post it here. OK? Linda Thoman

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I am so pleased that there are organizations like yours that help fill the deep empty void left by the fanatical teachings of a religion that seeks to own God. It is such a sin to have to go through life knowing that your family thinks you are evil because you think for yourself. Why doesn't it sink in that being called a sheep is not a compliment! They're frequent warnings like 'Watch out that you not be lead astray buy associating with anyone who opposes them, or questioning doctrine, the Internet is bad association- watch out! really saying don't think for yourself!- let us think for you! and in return, we will call you sheep! What happened to the "Truth Will Set You Free?" Through their arrogance, they dare to set themselves up as the voice of Jehovah. Why can't they see through that? When I asked them if they would carry out some of the evil deeds of the old testament, they invariably say no but they love the one who does kill people, even innocent babies and animals. What is it that they love about their Jehovah? The Mosaic law is evil and filled with sadistic teachings, such as you are to kill your son if he blasphemes by gathering up the city folk and bludgeoning them with stones until they slowly die. Gory animal sacrifices that break every civilized law regarding humane animal treatment. I am a bad person because, even though I am honest to a fault, and donate much time helping people recovering from drugs& alcohol, I am not a JW's so I am of the world= evil. I also smoke which proves my evilness. I have spent 38 yrs alone in this world, with no family, brothers, sisters, mother, because I am not a JW's. I feel the deepest sense of loneliness that comes in a quiet moment, because of that religion. If they only knew the pain they cause for Jehovah. Thank you for your fine work. Jim L.

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The Worldwide Christian Community Letter Number One June 2002 --- To All Bodies of Elders of Jehovah's Witnesses --- A seven-page letter from the Branch Office in Patterson, NY (Feb 15th 2002) was sent to "ALL BODIES OF ELDERS IN THE UNITED STATES." However, you will be aware from scripture that *all* older men are implicated. (1 Peter 5:1-4) Therefore, we highlight the pertinent words of the final sentence: "Please be assured of our continual prayers in YOUR behalf as YOU carry out YOUR weighty responsibility to shepherd the flock of God entrusted to YOUR care." --- Why Is the Governing Body Focusing On "Responsibility" At This Time? All Jehovah's Witnesses know that the organization is undergoing intense media scrutiny at present and the "sheep" are being disturbed. What are the facts? We cite just a few: 1) In the USA two multiple murders among Witness families in Oregon have been widely reported. 2) In Scotland, UK, Alison Cousins has courageously spoken of the years of sexual abuse by her Witness father. This was reported in Woman's Own (March 25th 2002) under "Church of Shame." It also exposed a shameful cover-up attempt by local elders. 3) Dateline (American current affairs program) has been seen on both sides of the Atlantic. It focused on the prevalence of child molestation within the organization. Sincere current Witnesses spoke out freely; they contrasted the ideal from the Society's public relations department, with the stark, horrific reality that exists in the congregations! 4) In the UK, the BBC has seen incriminating secret letters from the Society instructing you to keep quiet about Pedophiles in your congregations. You are aware of this directive. Therefore, cliches about "keeping the congregation clean" sound rather hollow when what is unclean is "swept under the carpet." This is causing hitherto loyal supporters to leave in disgust and if they "blow the whistle" they are hastily dispatched from your ranks (Jesus was a "whistle blower." Look what they did to him!) 5) The Guardian of October 2001 (UK newspaper) exposed a glaring act of hypocrisy by the Society. In 1992 they joined the United Nations Organization! Details are obtainable direct from the UNO. The Society has drawn up a standard response. (see Organization book, page 151) 6) In France, the Society owes huge sums in unpaid taxes and penalties. Add that to the escalating legal costs and damages they face around the world, and the total is astronomical! Their charity status is also under threat. But what about YOUR status with God? --- Goodness or Righteousness: Which Will YOU follow? If your child were sick during the night you would promptly do something about it. You wouldn't simply turn over and say, "Jehovah will sort it out!" Or, if you only suspected your house was being burgled, you'd call the police ... and they'd come wouldn't they? Imagine them saying, "Sorry! We can't do anything without at least two eye-witnesses." Yet this exactly illustrates the Society's policy! But what is the policy in YOUR congregation? To simply "follow orders" even when they come from those that you trust, is to actually shirk the responsibility that you have committed yourself to. To illustrate, when the Titanic was sinking some of the stewards tried to stop third class passengers from escaping via the first class area. That's what happens when one thoughtlessly "follows company orders." Precious lives are at stake! You often quote from Matthew 18:16 in support of your "two eye-witnesses" policy. But please read the rest of Jesus' words in that chapter and compare the relative values he puts on "goodness" as opposed to "righteousness". You have repeatedly been taught that the problems Jesus was focusing on were not criminal ones but minor things between brothers. Quite true! So, to place the horrific acts that Pedophiles inflict on their child victims into this category, apart from being a flagrant distortion of scripture, is despicable. It reduces such evil to the commonplace and is tantamount to abusing the child yet again! In kindness and love we urge you: Have goodness as your master and righteousness as your slave. (Please read Ezekiel Ch. 34) For further information see: www.silentlambs.org --- END OF LETTER --- http://www/exjws.net/letter1boe.htm

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Excuse me that address for the "Worldwide Christian Community" mentioned above should be: http://www.exjws.net/letter1boe.htm

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02 Jul 2002
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ABOUT BUDDHISTS OR HINDUS ...just a thought to be fair ...Angry???????????Why do you think I am angry???????Please review my postings, my comments have been respectful and without any indication of anger?????I'll let you reflect for awhile ...I'll respond to your question in a few days ...….By the way, please leave your screen name if possible………….ANGEL31

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To Jim L ...I really appreciate your comments, and I understand only too well your sense of loneliness in those quiet moments, as you said. I know what it's like to not have "family", as I was Disfellowshipped from the JW's back in '95 and have had only minute communication with family members. This is only when there has been a death in the family or extended family, or when someone has become seriously ill. I find it ironic that when my daughter was in the hospital last year, suddenly my mother and my sister-in-law appeared in the room. My mother hugged me, as well as my sister in law. My hands remained down, I did not hug back. I felt very strange, uncomfortable to an extreme. For them to appear in crisis moments, and then to totally disappear again until the next crisis or death, etc is so strange to me. I wish they hadn't shown up at the hospital at all, because it made the situation very uncomfortable for everyone around that has knowledge of the way family treats ex-witnesses. It even seems strange to me to refer to them as my "family". I know what family is supposed to be, but since '95 that disappeared in a single announcement of my Disfellowshipment. I have found many times that I have actually forgotten at times that I have family by this name or that name. Suddenly I hear the name brought up, and I have to stop and think about it momentarily ...Oh Yeah, he's my brother, or he's my cousin, etc. As strange and lonely as I felt immediately after the announcement was made about me, time has brought me peace. I have wonderful friends, real friends. It is sad, yes ...that family can own you one day and disown you the next, and treat you as though you are dead ...that is, until there's another crisis then suddenly you're alive again and being hugged!! Jim, I feel for what you said. I really don't know where I got my "strength" or assertiveness, I just know I will never allow myself to feel downtrodden and stomped on and I'm certainly not dead! And Hey! I smoke too ...watch my smoke rings fly! I don't care what my family thinks anymore about me personally or what I do with my life. Whether it is "wrong" for me to smoke or not, it's still my choice and no one has the right to judge me accept God himself. The Witnesses do not hold any power over me anymore. Hang in there Jim! Linda Thoman

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To those of you who claim to be open-minded, AND are current Witnesses ...I feel no Hate towards any of you. If you are open minded as you claim, I highly recommend a thorough reading of Ray Franz new book Crisis of Conscience 4th Edition. He was a member of the Governing Body for nine years, his own uncle was the Vice President under Knorr. Ray Franz wrote this book out of love and a real sense of obligation to tell the truth about what occurred in the Governing Body Sessions and to tell the truth (with documentation as proof) about how doctrine has been decided upon, as well as the "rules" for being a Witness in good standing. Those of you who are NOT familiar with the situation about the Malawi Brothers vs. the Mexican Brothers, in my opinion are doing yourselves a real disservice by not finding out what the Truth is on your own, by your own study. Some say that the book is Apostate. Well, it's not and it was not written that way either. It was written to simply state the facts as they occurred, leaving the reader to decide for themselves what they make of the information. Ray Franz even makes that very statement at the very beginning of the book. He doesn't tell the reader what anyone should believe in or not believe in doctrine wise. He simply states facts as they happened and recorded them. Most people, except for those in that room during those sessions knew UNTIL Ray's book what really goes on in those sessions. Elders aren't told, C.O's aren't told, etc. Those meetings/sessions are very very private. Those sessions/brothers are the ones who decide every single aspect of Witnesses lives. Even what should or should not go on in a Witness couples bedroom. Shouldn't you see the information/evidence for YOURSELVES and you decide for YOURSELF? Don't the Witnesses teach to Be Sure Of All Things? Linda Thoman

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02 Jul 2002
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I have been gone for 3 days! I broke the plug that puts in the juice for my email ...lots of catching up to do reading the posts etc ...I missed you guys! I have to play catch up with work first and then I will be back soon. Love Claudine aka soap box

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I'll be your family, if you'll be mine. Perhaps we can speak of our 'ex' parents (or something else?), since we all seem to have them. Your words resonate with me. I know what you're talking about - I've been there, too. How dare these people call themselves parents.

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02 Jul 2002
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Susan: you need to write the Watchtower Society and then you need to write CBS, NBC, Oprah, and anyone else you can think of. We are with you in helping. People like you are very important in that the WTS cannot accuse you of being "apostate" or having a hidden agenda. Email addresses are on previous posts for media contact. Please invite the victims to read the posts here - so they know they are not alone or crazy etc ...and maybe they can find the strength to get out. C. E.

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02 Jul 2002
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Bless you. I'm XJW, free at last, and guiltless. I've been visiting your chat room since the nbc broadcast. I've recently been unable to find people in your chat room to talk with. But I will continue to try and offer my time to help.

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02 Jul 2002
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Hi again, *Response to previous Post,"talking about how BR had no case against the elders to hold them accountable" unsigned* ... Larry Baker according to the press release I received was an elder in the past and was removed because he molested a child. This puts the elders in the know about this man. Bryan Rees step-father was an elder who knew ... I do not know the laws in the states and maybe this is permitted by church leaders to know about an abuser and allow him to remain as a member attending the congregation meetings in contact with children. I still say this is wrong. There is sins of omission and sins of commission. This is clearly sins of omission. He suffered because they did nothing. It was so CRUEL of them ... In Canada there is such a thing a Vicarious Liability. The management committee that I serve on could be accountable and sued by victims if say we unknowingly hired someone to work with a child and say that child was molested (especially if the job description was specific and say included for example bathing the child, other close contact with said child etc). We could be held accountable even if we did not know the person was a molester. Even if it was a volunteer situation and child was under our care and the child was molested by another person we arranged or allowed to be around child we could be held accountable ... The elders should have warned the congregation about the pedophile at the very least but they did not. How can we protect our children when we are not given the tools to do so??? Such as names of abusers, and forbidden access to the kingdom hall. Somehow I see that the greater community has a responsibility here. That greater community for many of Jehovah's Witnesses is the kingdom hall and those who attend. I believe Bryan Rees had a right to hold the elders accountable. It was in their power they could have prevented so much pain and suffering if they had warned and prevented his contact with Larry Baker(as the one elder was his step-father) ... In Canada(Ontario) when dangerous offender who is a child molester moves into a community they will publish the picture of the offender. It will be on the news warning the community. So everyone is on the alert to watch for problems and this to a certain extent protects the community. Some areas are more diligent then others in this regard. Often the offender is forced to move when this happens as no one wants them in their area ... I know of one case where a young woman saw a offenders picture recognized his face as the one who had assaulted her on the way home. She went to the police had him charged and he went back to prison. This action would have prevented many others from becoming victims of this man ... The elders getting off with regards to Bryan Rees is not justice. The laws obviously need to be changed to reflect more concern for the victim what they need as regard compensation to put their lives back together. These road blocks to justice should be removed. Vicarious Liability of the elders here is very clear to me ...DJB

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02 Jul 2002
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This is where I got my information on C.T. Russell's divorce/separation hearing: http://64.4.8.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=EN&lah=eb427ae4943df82707ff9e1470bd2ef3&lat=1025664706&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2epaulblizard%2ecom%2fruss1%2ehtml Linda Thoman

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http://64.4.8.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=EN&lah=e4999772f94c8a20b38e0489f85235a5&lat=1025664875&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2epaulblizard%2ecom%2fruss1%2ehtml Information on C.T. Russell's divorce hearing was obtained from www.watchthetower.com Linda Thoman

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Darn, here I am trying to post the darn link to where I got my information on C.T. Russell! Oh well, it is from www.watchthetower.com OK? Yeeeesh! Linda Thoman

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Two more file lawsuits against Jehovah's Witnesses http://krd.realcities.com/ads/media/network/home/popup2.htm Two file sex abuse suit against Jehovah's Witnesses congregation BY STEPHEN SCOTT Religion Editor Two women filed a civil suit Tuesday alleging they were sexually abused as young girls by a fellow member of a Jehovah's Witnesses congregation in Annandale, Minn.The women, both now 22 and living in the Twin Cities, say the religion's very tenets make it virtually impossible for victims to come forward, because at least two witnesses are required to corroborate any act of wrongdoing. After these incidents,'' said the plaintiff's attorney, Jeffrey Anderson of St. Paul, these women went to the elders, and they were told, 'We don't really believe you, because we require two witnesses to this for it to have happened, and if there aren't two, you are giving false testimony.' At issue is Jehovah's Witnesses understanding of the Bible, specifically Deuteronomy 19:15, which says a single witness shall not suffice in convicting a person of a crime or wrongdoing. Although Jehovah's Witnesses do not interpret every passage of the Bible literally, they base their beliefs solely on principles found in the Bible.If the accused denies the charges and there are no others who can substantiate them, the elders cannot take action within the congregation at that time,'' says the group's official statement called "Jehovah's Witnesses and Child Protection.'' Both plaintiffs allege that while they were between 10 and 12 years old, they were fondled by a male member of the congregation who was eight years older. Named as defendants are Derek Lindala, 30, of South Haven, Minn., who is alleged to have fondled the girls on separate occasions either in his family home or while on church-related activities; the Annandale congregation; and the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, which is the Jehovah's Witnesses incorporated headquarters ...Source of this information was Woman-Awake@yahoogroups.com OK? Yeeeeesh! Linda Thoman (Now I have to provide all my sources, eh?) LOL

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Linda, When speaking to my mother (she has just started bible studies) regarding Russell, she immediately stated that after Russell died Rutherford had 'communication' that told him that there was still false beliefs within the organization. Then I read recently about how the JWs refer Russell's book as inspired. There is an watchtower article on watchtowerobserver.com that has July 1 2003 as the date and it is talking a lot about Killing apostates. Do you know if that watchtower is just dated wrong on that site or if its a 'future' one some say will come to be???? I need to know this, it will help me and my mom better understand the JW situation. She has not affiliated with them for over a decade and I think that she has missed vital information. Please help! bon

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02 Jul 2002
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Aiding and abetting is a crime and it seems like a "conspiracy" to commit a crime. Do the Elders that allow this to happen get a perverted vicarious pleasure knowing that they allow other men to sexually touch the children in the congregation???? *** I would not let a pedophile so much as look at a picture of my babies! Let alone attend a meeting with one present. *** I remember the look the sister gave me who was studying with me when I said to her that the one thing I could not do was accept a pedophile at the KH , a murderer maybe, a pedophile never. This was long before I knew anything. But she had a look she gave me. *** I hung my American Flag today in protest for what the WTS did to the Malawis - a very small token of protest. I am filled with grief. c.e.

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I just wanted to let everybody know what I have been working on. Myself and another girl who wishes to remain anonymous at this time filed a suit against the person who molested us as children, the elders who protected and enabled him, and the organization (WTBTS) who directed them to. Read the story on this link. http://www.startribune.com/stories/462/3033760.html

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To ANGEL 31 *** Sorry, Angel31. Did I offend you? If you see all the capital letters, that's because I couldn't make them bold to emphasize. I hope you are not taking it as I was yelling at you. It was I, Age00, who mentioned the Buddhists and Hindus. They even worship carved images and COWS! ( I'm not yelling.) *** I guess for me the most problem with the WTS's policy was that they have been ( and still are )letting the accused/confessed pedophiles go door to door. If you have an alcoholic friend, would you let him/her go to a bar? I have talked to an elder recently, and he confirmed that "They are still going door to door now". Would you go out door to door with that pedophile brother/sister with your child? And sit with him/her at the Kingdom Hall? *** I'm not saying that the person doesn't deserve another chance. I just think if he/she is accused without two or even one witness, it is the child, the alleged victim, who needs to see a psychologist. Trained and professional children's psychologists can see things that we cannot. Besides faking a molestation can't go too far in their eyes ...If one confesses for molesting a child, I think ( I strongly believe) that he/she should be isolated and restricted from congregation members and the ministry until he/she gets some help. But I know that it can't be certain that he/she could be cured. But what can we do? We just have to try keep our place as safe as possible, and try to cope with the problems we have until God's kingdom come ...Age00

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03 Jul 2002
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People if you don't want the JW's at your door write a note to the kingdom hall that serves your area and tell them to stay away from your house I learned this from the City Overseer, it works. Bill in MN

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03 Jul 2002
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It seems the way the JW's change their bible to match their beliefs and justify their different beliefs from other religions. Maybe its not molestation if you pound on enough doors and make all of the book studies for a year. Lets face it God is perfect, Man isn't and when Man thinks he is God you have a very scary situation like those lying bastard at the WT Bill in MN

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03 Jul 2002
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ANOTHER LAW SUIT!!!!!! Well now everyone knows about it so now I can talk about it! I was in Minnesota(still am right now,I'll be in Dallas later today) when the press conference took place yesterday. Her name is Heidi Meyer. She is a very brave and inspirational person. I stayed at her house during my visit and was strengthened by her display on camera and her interviews with the papers. She was very confident and determined to get the message out. There is a link posted above to one of the many papers that covered the story. It was incredible to be able to witness the stand she has taken--TO DO SOMETHING!!!!! The other girl who is involved in the same suit has proved to all that you can do something without having to disclose who you are, but you can say who the abuser is and can seek legal action for what they have done to you. Bill Bowen was there also and it was a pleasure to be able to sit down and speak with him. He is so driven by telling the truth and protecting the children. He told us some stories of different experiences he has had with the media and with people he has talked to-- he had tears in his eyes as did everyone listening. Anyone who thinks he is in this for profit is DEAD WRONG!!!! His intentions are the purest I have ever seen in my life!!!! Heidi has come forward and so has the women who has chosen to remain a Jane Doe. This needs to happen everywhere--Nation and Worldwide!! People are listening, KEEP TALKING!!!!!!!!! Love Jesika Thoman Dallas,Tx

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03 Jul 2002
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For those who have been victimized please tell your experiences and make them known! I talked with an elder yesterday that saw the Dateline story and said "it was one sided". I believe that even elders don't understand the depth of the situation as to how many people who have been hurt! I told him the Dateline story isn't an isolated case that there are many more stories just like them. I told him I couldn't be part of an organization that protected pedophiles and are left to sit next to us in the Kingdom Halls. I asked "How are we suppose to protect our children against pedophiles when you allow them to remain in our presence?" He didn't have an answer! That pretty much answered my prayers! To The Mole who told me to keep asking questions, I did and didn't come out with a warm fuzzy feeling! Keep reporting from within and keep us informed! To Bill Bowen, keep fighting for those who desperately need your help! Someone in Texas

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03 Jul 2002
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When are there going to be updates on this site? This site seems like it is dying.

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03 Jul 2002
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OK, first my apologies to all for not seeing the pain nor the action you are taking. Second, here are some steps I am taking and a few ideas for Bill and those editing the website to consider. My Steps: 1) I am sending to all my email contacts (witnesses and others) weekly updates about the happenings reported regarding this matter. (i.e., the court case in MN, UK action, etc.) 2) My son and I are building a quick app to hit against my personal website that will create for you a free email site to use for posting here. Will publish on this site if Bill requests it. 3) I am moving away from the Watchtower organization – as stated before, there is no hope… Thoughts for the website: 1) How about a link to Jeff Anderson, the attorney for the two young women from Minnesota? Not hard to do and it would be a great step in providing the legal, financial, and psychological relief so many who come here need. 2) Also, are there any therapists who can be reached for those who need help? After reviewing credentials (I believe this is a must) again, a link to contact them could be set up. Random thoughts and visualization of Jericho and Rahab. Will expand on later as I see and hear the sound of trumpets and an assembly marching. There is … Dronj

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03 Jul 2002
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Jesika and Bill Bowen were in Minnesota yesterday for a news conference regarding a lawsuit filed by two woman. Here is one link to one of the articles. http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/3588212.htm

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03 Jul 2002
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Here is another link to another article regarding the news conference Jesika and Bill Bowen were at yesterday. http://www.miami.com/mld/miami/news/breaking_news/3588930.htm

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03 Jul 2002
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One more link to an article due to the news conference Jesika and Bill Bowen were at yesterday. http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/07/02/jehovahs.witness.lawsuit.ap/index.html

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03 Jul 2002
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To BON ...I'm sorry but I've heard about what you're referring to but I don't have any information on it at this time. I will see what I can find out. Linda Thoman

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03 Jul 2002
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Hi, its me, little lost one. I've been reading all of this and it has helped me so much to be confident in my decision on disassociating myself. I no longer have part of my family because their witnesses and my so called best friends are no longer my best friends. I watched the news last night which confirms that this is not an isolated case and that I'm not irrational. That's what the elder told me. I'm so thankful for everyone on this site and I'm very proud of the victims coming out to tell their stories. Keep up the good work. I have found a freedom I've never had before because of the ones going on TV and on this site telling for THE TRUTH!!! I love you all and may Jehovah bless all your honesty and give you much peace. your friend, L.L.O

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Hi, its me, little lost one. I've been reading all of this and it has helped me so much to be confident in my decision on disassociating myself. I no longer have part of my family because their witnesses and my so called best friends are no longer my best friends. I watched the news last night which confirms that this is not an isolated case and that I'm not irrational. That's what the elder told me. I'm so thankful for everyone on this site and I'm very proud of the victims coming out to tell their stories. Keep up the good work. I have found a freedom I've never had before because of the ones going on TV and on this site telling THE TRUTH!!! I love you all and may Jehovah bless all your honesty and give you much peace.. your friend, L.L.O

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03 Jul 2002
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To Bon ...I have emailed Kent@observer.org to ask him your question about the article with the date of 2003. Once I hear back, I'll let you know. Linda Thoman

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03 Jul 2002
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I keep seeing the word, "alleged" or "alleges" in those news articles regarding the Silentlambs' cases. How many have been proven guilty of molestation and got sentenced to prison? ...Anyone knows?

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03 Jul 2002
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11:56:43
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SUCH AN UGLY REALITY. AS A FORMER JW, I AM APPALLED, BUT NOT SURPRISED.

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03 Jul 2002
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I'm looking at July 1, 2002 issue Watchtower ...hmm ...there are articles on "Religious Icon", "Worship God in Spirit", "Jehovah Beautifies His People With Light", "Jehovah's Glory Shines on His People", "Is Your Teaching Effective?", "Strengthened by Our Worldwide Brotherhood", "Walking in Jehovah's Paths Brings Rich Rewards", "International Convention 2003", and "Avoid Being Deceived". The last article says, "Open your mind and heart to the one indisputable source of religious truth, the Bible," and NOTHING about 'apostates' ...If the article mentioned above is false, IT IS NOT HELPING THE SILENT LAMBS. It makes them look bad to the whole world, and gives another excuse to the Society to call these victims, "Apostates" ...Age00

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Here is the reply from Kent regarding the article with a 2003 date: I guess the article you are referring to is a joke :) I don't remember who actually made it - but I'm sure that's the one. It's been in there for a year and a half. Kent --- Original Message --- From: Lin *** [mailto:linthoman@hotmail.com Sent: 3. juli 2002 17:46 To: kent@observer.org Subject: Regarding your site..a question Hi Kent, my name is Linda Thoman. I heard about your site from someone who posted a link on silentlambs Guestbook. The same person that put the link has asked me about a possible typo error on your site and asked me if I knew anything about it. The person said there is an article on your site about a Watchtower with the date of 2003 ...not 2002. Was this a typo or did the Organization come out with some "prophecy" for next year? I hope you will respond quickly, although I'm sure you're busy there. Thank you in advance. Linda Thoman

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Thank you for your website. I'm relieved to see that my spouse is not alone! He was raised in the JW religion and did not even know his date of birth until he was in court testifying to the repeated sexual abuse he endured from his step-father ( a JW). He never has fully understood why his mother (another JW) stood by that man. The man was never sentenced either, despite the accounted sexual and physical abuse of my husband, his two brothers and the three daughters that his mother had with the man. I myself, am doing school research for my RN degree and stumbled across your site. Thanks again , Jenni

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03 Jul 2002
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HI IT'S JESIKA again. It was amazing to be there for the press conference in Minnesota!!!!!!!! The strength the two women showed was something words can't describe. To DROJI-- Thank you for the apology although I feel it isn't needed, to know someone has seen how deep this problem is and to understand the pain of those of us who have been through the persecution of the WT is good enough for me. TO the LITTLE LOST ONE, you have decided to disassociate yourself from the org, that is not something we are trying to get people to do. If it is a choice you have made for yourself, I just want you to know we ALL support you. I hope the policy will change, and they will admit it was wrong (I'm crossing my fingers). To the person asking about the quotes of ALLEGED--the suit filed in Minnesota was filed yesterday, so until proven guilty--you know the rest.We all need to celebrate the stand so many are beginning to have, no longer to fear the WT and the reason for speaking out is not to lash out in anger, but it is because it is the RIGHT THING TO DO!!!!!!!!!!!!! Look into the eyes of the children around you and tell yourself to protect them is your reason for coming forward to tell the truth. You can be referred to as Joe or Jane Doe if you want privacy, but you can still take the action that is needed!!!!!!!! CLASS ACTION SUITS --- I promised I would ask the lawyers about this and what it would take to do so. I was told by Jeff Anderson personally in his office that to file such a suit would involve everyone's experience to be the same. For example--when there is a group of people hurt by the same product than all the victims can come together in a class suit. Since the situation here is so many people were abused by different people and it was handled by different elders there are too many differences for it to fall in the Class Action scenario. I will call Jeff or Bill to see if I can post his phone #. He has already been contacted (Jeff) by over 100 JW's and ex-JW's about the matter of abuse. This was before the press conference. I will post his info after I contact him and have his OK. Jesika Thoman Dallas, Tx

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03 Jul 2002
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Hey all ...here's another link to another article on the news conference in Minnesota: http://www.kmsp.com/news/local/story.asp?content_id=1257723 Linda Thoman

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03 Jul 2002
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YOU CAN WATCH IT ON VIDEO --- on kstp.com is another place to find the Minnesota story, but you can choose to watch the news broadcast. I watched it and Heidi and Bill spoke on the interview. Jesika Thoman Dallas,Tx

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03 Jul 2002
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I am the wife of a man who was raised in a family of JW's(they even donated their land to have a hall built).About three years ago it came out that my husbands step-father molested him when he was a child.What even shocked me more was to know that his mother was aware of the molestation and of how it was handled within the congregation. I now have a wonderful spouse who deals with a lot of anger and rage and withdrawal even now because of something that could have been handled years ago. I believe that this is an organization that is a breeding ground for child molesters. Something needs to be done to keep these people from protecting the animals out there who prey on our children!!

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03 Jul 2002
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21:26:28
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Would it be considered a class action law suit against the WTS, since they dictate the "two witnesses", continued to allow pedophiles to "serve" as elders or JW's in good standing. Also, how they kept people from talking calling it slander, so as to isolate victims from reality. The articles written by the WTS about the Catholic Church was a deep deception of hypocrisy giving the "impression" that this situation would never ever exist with the Congregation of Jehovah. The "product" was the "spiritual" food, the direction of the elders and the claim that it was backed with Holy Spirit. *** you probably have covered all this with the attorney but just in case you haven't. *** I spoke with a sister today, conversation ended with her "fleeing" from me saying she didn't want to hear anymore. Heard the words "imperfect" again and again. She Blames the naive parents. She showed no love for the Malawis - called it just dirt being brought up. Told me the congregation is being blessed by Jehovah because now they have over 100 people there on Sunday. She questioned how I was being "fed" - I told her I have Jehovah and the bible and she said that wasn't enough. The main impression I was left with is that she showed absolutely no compassion, not for the victims of pedophiles (she said they needed to get over it!) and showed no interest at all in my concerns and said I was being picky. She acted as if we were having a conversation about trivial matters, not grave concerns and that I had the attitude problem. She just kept defending the WTS with their imperfection and that Jehovah knows what goes on behind close doors and that it was none of our business. mmmmmm ...Of course she doesn't really know how grave the problems are - she didn't want to hear of it. I was dismissed, I am sure, as a person who Satan has taken over. She was very angry as she walked away. *** She is lacking in love for the individual, everything is for the WTS. I did say to her to be careful that she not worshipping an organization. Oh, well, I do not have any tact as we all know. C.E.

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03 Jul 2002
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21:43:02
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Subject: Kingdom Halls and Mail boxes Mailing Campaign Fallout Recently, Kingdom Halls of Jehovah's Witnesses were the largest group of intended recipients of an international mailing campaign, spanning all fifty states of the United States and including the countries of Canada and England.The results in the US have been interesting, and could have far-reaching effects on our legal system and on the preaching practices of Jehovah's Witnesses.Over a hundred years ago, a group of evangelical apocryphal persons calling themselves "Bible Students" began a campaign to sell Bible-based literature at homes throughout the United States. From time to time, their efforts faced legal challenges, some were won and some were lost, but in general the door-to-door campaigns have continued unabated, with varying degrees of success. (Some years the Witnesses reported growth, some years not).In late 1979, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society issued in its members-only bulletin "Our Kingdom Ministry" (KM) that: "At times mail addressed to the Kingdom Hall is returned to the Society or to others who write. It is marked as being undeliverable for various reasons, usually because there is no mailbox for receiving mail. We recommend that at the next elders meeting the presiding overseer discuss with the body of elders how this can be remedied. If there is a problem at the local post office, this can be discussed with an official at the post office in an effort to clear it up."Now why, one may ask, have Jehovah's Witnesses suddenly removed mailboxes from their Kingdom Halls, to the point where their parent organization has to make a public announcement? "Perhaps the answer can be found in the December 1982 issue of the KM: "Occasionally we meet householders in our territory who are very opposed to our work and message. Some have even threatened us. If some adamantly request that none of Jehovah's Witnesses call at their homes again, such requests should be respected. A note with the name and address of such a person should be given to the brother assigned to care for the territory. He should also date the note and state on it the specific nature of the difficulty. Thereafter, each publisher who is asked to work this territory should be especially careful to avoid irritating the householder and not call at his home. Review Kingdom Ministry of June 1974, Question Box."The June 1974 KM says in part: "When we meet persons who are very much opposed and who request that we not call at their home again, we will respect their wishes in the matter.." But then it goes on to say:"If one is not certain about the householders still living there in time a tactful inquiry can be made." It goes on to say: "Where there are signs saying "No Peddlers or Solicitors," and so forth, it may be best to identify yourselves as one of Jehovah's witnesses, taking the viewpoint that such signs do not apply to our work. Where signs specifically state that no religious calls be made or that Jehovah's witnesses not call, it may be well to talk personally to the householder," This 1974 statement may explain why, by 1979, the parent organization has to contend in writing with its own returned mail!!!So how do you get Jehovah's Witnesses NOT to come to your door? Put up a NO JW sign? They will come to your door ANYWAY. Put up a No Peddlers/Solicitors sign? They will come to your door ANYWAY! Politely ask them to return? They will only respect your wishes if you are "adamant" or "very much opposed" and even then, only for some indeterminate length of time.So the alternative is to write your Kingdom Hall a letter demanding no more visits. Which must have been what some householders had tried to do. The local response? NO MAILBOXES!!! Your letter will just be returned. There is no way to ensure respect for your privacy and property rights. The situation has not improved with time. Since 1967, Watchtower has been sending known and even in some cases criminally convicted child molesters and rapists to peoples doors. In 2002, an episode of the television show "Dateline" showed two child molesters (one a convicted rapist) going door to door. A few years ago, a member of the group known as "Associated Jehovah's Witnesses for Reform on Blood" began a Kingdom Hall mailing campaign, but it had to be stopped because of the many letters returned, most of which were marked as undeliverable because of no mailboxes. There is no doubt that these conflicts can and will erupt into confrontations. In May of 2001, it was reported that a Cleona PA woman won a $600.00 plus judgment against two Witnesses who "drove down a 300 foot lane past 8 no trespassing signs and 3 dog warning signs." On the website http://www.do-not-call.org/ there is related a story A MOTHER of three children became so fed up with Jehovah's Witnesses calling at her home that she interrupted their Sunday service by banging on their church door and offering them free magazines. She is related as saying that it wasn't the religion that she was upset with, but their persistent proselytizing at her door.The posting of a no-trespassing sign will not solve the problem of the Witnesses calling at your door anyway, but in addition some property owners WANT the Girl Scouts and Greenpeace and organizations like this to come to their doors. Should their desire for privacy be an all-or-nothing affair?Is it only the non-Witness public that is not safe from unsolicited visits from Witnesses? Apparently not; consider this statement from the attorney for William H. Bowen, a Jehovah's Witness and former elder of his congregation, in a letter to his former colleagues: "It is also noted that on Friday, May 24, 2002 you contacted my client by telephone, to which you were verbally informed to only contact his attorney for any type of communication. Mr. Bowen has clearly made his request known in a letter written on October 31, 2001, where he stated 1.Any further communication must be in writing and sent to my attorney.:.Any verbal communication from this point forward will be considered harassment as you have repeatedly disregarded my request for answers in writing.3.I am formally requesting that no Jehovah's Witness elder or member trespass on my property at any time.. In February of 2002 two Jehovah's Witnesses were sent to my clients home. My client respectfully asked them to leave. Then on another occasion George Bandarra who is well familiar with all correspondence as chairman of the judicial committee chose to ignore my clients request by calling him over the telephone on 5-24-02. My client instructed Mr. Bandarra very clearly all communication must go through his attorney. Yet again, Mr. Bandarra and Jeff Stein ignored my clients request by trespassing on his property June 01, 2002. Mr. Bandarra and Mr. Stein approached the property in a covert fashion coming to the back door and pounding quite loudly, thus frightening children in the home. My client again informed Mr. Bandara and Mr. Stein of his request of all communication going through his attorney and shut the door, at which Mr. Bandarra again disregarded my clients request by throwing a letter on a chair in my clients back yard. This now makes three occasions Jehovah's Witnesses have chosen to disregard clear and explicit instructions to not trespass and harass my client. Any further infractions will result in criminal charges being leveled at your lack of respect for my clients wishes ( http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=29568&site=3)Or this communication from Barbara Anderson, a Jehovah's Witness, to her elders in Tennessee: "I further request that all communication be conducted with my attorney, The telephone call to me from Larry Seely did not honor previous demands for all communications to go through my attorney only." (http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=29637&site=3 ) The elders response? "We note that you letter said that you prefer to communicate with the committee through your attorney. We fail to see why this is necessary or even needed ...We trust this explains why the involvement of an attorney is unnecessary and why we are communicating with you directly rather than through an attorney". One of the results of this most recent mailing campaign is a large number of letters marked "return to sender" usually as a result of there being no delivery receptacle. This basically brings to a screeching halt almost any attempts by homeowners to be undisturbed by Jehovah's Witnersses.The pulling of the Kingdom Hall mailboxes and the unwillingness of Jehovah's Witnesses to respect the privacy and property rights not only of the non-Witness public but also their own Witness members only exacerbates an already out-of-control situation. The residents of Stratton Ohio recently tried to wrest back some control of door-to-door solicitation, but the Supreme Court held that portions of the statute was too broadly worded and they were struck down. Stratton Ohio has vowed not to give up.The gauntlet has been thrown down; who will pick it up next? Hey Y'all ...I found this on woman-awake, a yahoo group. Linda Thoman

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03 Jul 2002
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To every Silent Lamb small victory here in Missouri, legislation just passed that Clergy (YES THAT MEANS EVEN THE ELDERS LOL) HAVE to report suspected child abuse YEA!!!! Now they at least will be going against Caesar's law LOL My husband has been wanting to post a sign at our ex-congregation that says "Pedophiles Paradise" since her in Missouri it's been too quite about the Dateline show. Maybe this will save some children from the pain if not maybe some elder will have to spend some time in jail for shielding perverts Love ya all Sheila Madonia

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04 Jul 2002
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To Linda Thoman: Linda I recommended the book (R. Franz) to a JW I'm emailing with and he gave me this answer; (don't laugh;-) I'm not afraid of reading. I just have read too much bullshit books up to know full of wannabe evidences etc. It's always the same, many of the people that are disfellowshipped because of certain reasons aren't content not to be a Witness anymore. There proud is broken, they are angry like hell. So they start to become opponents, searching faults or mistakes everywhere, picking cases where people acted incorrectly, making a big story out of it. Or, the second well-known way, is that they complain about how much they have suffered from that bad bad organization, what they had to do all the time, as if they would have been slave. Perhaps they want to calm their conscience by doing this or want to prove themselves that it's good that they are now out and not a JW anymore. And concerning the Government Body, openly speaking I care a shit about what they are accused of or not. This Mme Linda Noname states that you should find out yourself what is going on - but by reading someone else's book full of made up "evidences", of somebody who bears grudges against the organization he once belonged to (if it's true what he claims). Funnily these books are not written be people who are standing outside - never having been a witness - perhaps a journalist who gets into the issue without any prejudices. OK, enough written, there are more important things for me to do at the moment.

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04 Jul 2002
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Thanks for the info on C.T. Russell ...I guess the next step would be to try to find a birth date for Rose Ball ...somewhere around the late 1800's or early 1900's. Probably in Allegheny? The records for these kinds of things are usually very exact and obituaries of that time are usually quite detailed ...Thanks again.

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04 Jul 2002
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ps - ever ask a borg why there are pyramids on top of the Brooklyn building?????

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04 Jul 2002
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TO C.E. --- The Class Action suits have to have many many similarities. Yes you are right about the policy being the same everywhere, the problem is the victims were handled by different people in almost every instance. Jeff Anderson gave me an example of a situation that the Class Action would apply ... If he could find about 150 victims that were abused by the same person- then it would fall under Class Action. Which he said is very unlikely to find that many people abused by the same person. Even if the scenario exists it is unlikely to have all the victims come forth. The comment about them holding high positions is a problem that has to be handled but I think the key is getting enough people to file suit and bring this to the attention of the media and the law. It is even stated in their policy that a know molester can hold a position after decades of not having been accused. You can read it on their web site. I think it is watchtower.org it is on the front page. It is interesting the example they give to explain why they choose to do this. It is a scenario that would never happen. With all the double talk it is most of the time overlooked, so read carefully it is quite sad when you see how ignorant it truly is. I had someone contact me through my aunt Linda Thoman and asked a question regarding the Class suits that I could not answer. I will be getting info on the question and if it does fit under the Class requirements I will post it. Thanks Jesika Thoman Dallas, Tx

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04 Jul 2002
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" Never argue with a man whose job depends on not being convinced. -H.L. Mencken

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05 Jul 2002
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I TALKED TO BILL about posting Jeff Anderson's phone # and he told me that Jeff gets so many calls a day it would be better if everyone calls the hotline # it is 1-877-WTABUSE. That way no one will fall through the cracks and they can get individual attention and help or legal direction. Love Jesika Thoman Dallas, Tx

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05 Jul 2002
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Interesting insights on how JW's think at http://jwzone.org This page is off note: http://www.jwzone.org/forums/showthread.php?s=2ee1a9e18ce2ac278a3d82226fa72767&postid=114070#post114070

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05 Jul 2002
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http://www.jwzone.org/forums/showthread.php?s=2ee1a9e18ce2ac278a3d82226fa72767&postid=114070#post114070 let's see if sets up the link properly this time, if not you can always copy and paste.

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One more time here comes a link from http://jwzone.org *** http://www.jwzone.org/forums/showthread.php?postid=113836#post113836

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05 Jul 2002
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http://www.jwzone.org/forums/showthread.php?postid=104363#post104363

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05 Jul 2002
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I listened to the video and printed the transcript on the Education on Child Abuse Through Publications of Jehovah's Witnesses - speakers are Stark,Infante and Dickey. *** these are my thoughts: Dr. Infante says"If there was any organization that was trying to educate their members about issues related to sexual abuse, I certainly do no think that they would be harboring pedophiles. Certainly not knowingly" *** this is exactly what I THOUGHT AND THAT IS WHY THIS IS A BETRAYAL BY THE WTS. #2 these articles on child molestation appeared in the AWAKE, not the Watchtower, therefore directed to the general public rather than members of the congregation. #3 If WTS wanted us to know they would have told us, had Sunday Watchtower Studies that reflected this problem within the congregation and be absolutely open as to what to expect in a Judicial committee and the rights of a person in the country that they reside in. #4Stark, Infante and Dickey were paid and do not have an unbiased opinion nor do they address the fact that there has to be two witnesses to the crime. Stark, Infante and Dickey do not have any interest other than to support the position of the WTS and get paid. from C.E.

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05 Jul 2002
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More video and transcript: By Dr. Bethea-Jackson who states that although she went to the most prestigious social-work schools, they did not teach a course in child abuse. WTS has the word of God in their hand, and knows that God forbids pedophilia and the abuse of children, yet they hide behind the words and education of a Licensed Clinical Social Worker. The video is called The Progressive Understanding of Child Abuse for Society in General and can be viewed on the Watchtower official web site. I guess we need social workers to tell us what is right and what is wrong or at least wait for them to catch up to the ancient book called the Bible. C.E.

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C.E.-Thank you for the update on Mr. Stark. I had asked if he was paid or a member in a much earlier post. (And read some of his essays on the net) What he said seems quite biased and would bring into question why the WTS is constantly mocking and putting down everyone, every country, and every other religion but somehow it is exempt from the Stark assessment. It seems very queer to me (his) argument in support of the WTS philosophy. I can not express how much I feel (I know to feel is a four letter word) for the people effected by the issues that are brought up on this site. Am I shocked? No. Angry? Of course! But not at the JW religion or even it's members. They have my pity. I have to comment that I was upset when I read that Mr. Bowen stated that his issue was not about WT doctrine it is about breaking the law. But, after a bit I realize just how right he is. It is not about doctrine at all. It is about criminal behavior.(Romans 13)I have never met Bill but he certainly has my respect. As do the people that are willing to confront this issue and make change.-Sequia

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05 Jul 2002
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Today's date is July 5, 2002

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05 Jul 2002
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Dear sister, I will be glad to put your comments up on the silentlambs website. I encourage you to read carefully the instructions on the “abused lambs” page, if you do you will note that page is reserved for stories of abuse by molestation survivors. Your story does not seem to meet the criteria there. The “poems and thoughts” page is also reserved for offering comforting scriptures, poems, and thoughts to abuse victims. After reading carefully your comments I find it difficult to believe that they could fit in that category. May I suggest you review 1 Cor. 13:1-3 and please meditate on what it has to say, then ask yourself a question, Where is love to be found in my comments to abuse survivors? I will post your comments on the Guestbook along with mine so many others will be able to see how people who refuse to educate themselves think. I would encourage you to study closely the silentlambs website and think about how you could better support survivors of abuse. silentlambs My story is this! I bet this will not even be put on your web site. You have been very much abused by these individuals. Jehovah knows every hair count on your head. Don't you think he knows what pain you all are going through! Remember, those individuals who did you wrong even though they may hide it, has an accounting with the most high God Jehovah. Where is your faith? Your LOVE for Jehovah? Yes, all of you have been bitterly hurt and even wrongly persecuted from individuals, injustice. But, are you serving Jehovah only DURING the good times or even during the ROUGH times? Remember David in the bible who was persecuted and even chased down by a murder King Saul who was a servant of Jehovah? David didn't give up serving Jehovah and jumping ship in Jehovah's one and only true faith! His love and faith in Jehovah helped him to endure! Why are you letting MEN that are guilty and Jehovah KNOWS who they are, to destroy your love and trust in Jehovah. Jehovah is looking down at this and probably has TEARS because of the pain you all have went through. But to give in to Satan and his perversion of Men, even among God's people, is not worth giving up your Love for Jehovah and saying good bye to him and his True Faith. Many things will happen in the faith, from even our so called brothers will hurt us just like in Germany when so-called brothers turned their backs on there close friends. But look at how the brothers in Germany that were in prison and some even brutally raped. They STILL served Jehovah and kept faithful to the end. They continued in Malawi even when they were mutilated and raped continually. They STILL Stayed with Jehovah and his true faith. I urge you to NOT let your bitterness make Jehovah have more TEARS. It isn't his fault and he will make the needed changes in his organization to protect his loved ones just like he made adjustments in Israel's time and held those people accountable! Its one thing to talk about the problems at hand and yes, YOU WERE HURT by these men, But it is another thing to put down, Jehovah's WHOLE organization because of some SAULS that are out there!! A brother put it to me this way ...Picture a Jet going through the sky and taking you to a better place. Say that you were sitting right next to a Brother and he started to abuse you and persecute you and accuse you and hurt you continually. What would you do? Would you say "I can't take this anymore and even the stewards are not doing anything about this individual so I will just give up and jump out the window of the plane!" No, you would not jump out of the plane. What you would probably do is MOVE SEATS and let the pilot and stewards deal with it all so you can continue in your trip. You are at the back of the plane, probably hurt and complaining which is normal, but you wait patiently until you land the plane. Your patients paid off because when you were getting off the plane the Pilot shook your hand and hug you and said we are sorry for all the pain you had to endure while on your journey. As you look you see dozens of police officers taking different people that were on the plane, harassing others off to Jail! Are You not glad that you did not jump off the Jet? Were you not happy to let everyone see the pilot hug you and reward you for your patients which exonerate you for all the ones that maybe didn't believe you? Your endurance through these hard times paid off for you. The moral of the story is just because some So-called brothers are pretending and doing wrong and hurting you. THEY will NOT get by with it and the GREAT PILOT JEHOVAH will remove those false brothers. You paid for your ticket by getting baptized and entered in Jehovah's Jet and put full trust that this IS the plane that will get me to the place I hoped and dreamed of with all my heart, soul and mind and You put trust in your pilot to get you there! Please, hurt one's out there! Don't jump out of the jet and say bad things about the Jet and the pilot and the very loving good people like yourselves that are in the jet too, trying to endure and even crying tears over some others hurting them. The Great pilot can NOT be FOOLED!!! It hurts others who are very good servants of Jehovah that we are slandered as that ALL JEHOVAH'S servants are bad or that we are a bunch of child molesters. That hurts me to think that all that I have endured that I and MOST of Jehovah's Witnesses are put in the same category as those false brothers. Jehovah, remember, says that he puts all of our tears in a bottle and remembers it! Psalms 56:8 Job felt the same way at JOB 4:1 He was hurt by his so-called comforters. But remember Jehovah provided Job with at least one GOOD COMFORTER? Job continued to endure and he did not ONCE curse Jehovah and his organization. So please don't give up and jump off the jet and slander it. What else is there out there? Continue, do not let these individuals turn and discourage your dedication to Jehovah no matter WHAT persecution comes your way. Persecution is more hurtful if it comes from your very own brother doesn't it. Well don't you think Satan knows what would break your faith. We live in the 2002 now and here in the USA we are not physical persecuted like in the Holocaust because it DIDN'T WORK, so Satan hits us where it really can be confusing and hurtful among our friends and brothers. Don't play his game don't let him win to separate your love for Jehovah!. KEEP remembering David and all that he endured and don't forget JOB who not once talked bad or cursed Jehovah and his earthly organization. Keep going to the meetings and go there for one PURPOSE and that is to please Jehovah and not men. sincerely from Those who love Jehovah and are good people in his organization and see your tears and are enduring also, but not giving in to Satan's plots to destroy are love for the whole association of our brothers world wide.

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Hello all. It's been a while since I've been able to write, but I've caught up on all of the entries and some are quite inspiring, while others infuriate me! To Jesika and her family: may Jehovah bless you. I truly believe that no one is bound by an organization; we can believe in God without submitting to "cult-like" beliefs. I find it quite moving that you behold such bravery to stand up and fight the evil within the WTS. You WILL make a difference in many peoples lives, especially the children. I only wish other JW's could see the deception within the organization. It took me 20 years, but I finally followed my heart and made the decision to leave. It pains me that by doing this I am essentially "dead" to members of my family, including my own mother, but I refuse to pass this partiality on to my own child. For those of you who have entered comments regarding the "ease" of reporting abuse, you will NEVER UNDERSTAND the difficulty involved in doing this. Even the elders are not aware of what goes on "behind closed doors". My brother, a P.O., is probably not aware of the secrecy, although, as an abused child himself, he should be able to recognize the deception and fight these illegal policies. BUT,he is driven by power. That is what the organization is all about, POWER. That is why we, as victims, don't feel comfortable coming forth and reporting our abuse. The "Fear of Jehovah" is always looming above us. But it's really not the fear of Jehovah because he would never allow this to continue. Rather, it is the fear of losing your family, friends and the only life you know. I have been on "THE OTHER SIDE" both as a JW and a victim of abuse. I speak with "true knowledge" that I personally experienced, rather than research done at a library. You can't compare JW's with Catholics on any level. Even if a Catholic commits an "evil" act, they are not ex-communicated by their family and friends. This is a very important control tactic used by JW's. It is extremely difficult to make the decision to leave all those who "supposedly" love you. I would compare it to "coming out" as a gay to a non-liberal family, but multiply that by 100! The ONLY reason my abuse case was taken to court was because several "worldly" people (neighbors, teachers and other school personnel) reported the extreme abuse they witnessed my step-father inflicting on us. If it weren't for those people, the case would've remained a "secret" for fear of damaging the reputation of the organization. WELL FINALLY THE "TRUTH" IS COMING OUT!!! Good luck to all those forging ahead and making a difference! And thank you all for giving me the courage to come forth and say "I AM NOT AN APOSTATE, I AM A VICTIM!" May this website save just ONE child from the horror I've survived. geanaz@msn.com

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Bill, I have just read the passage the "sister" had written. I haven't picked up a bible in a long time, only to cross-reference Ray Franz's book. After reading the passage she wrote I had to see what 1Cor 13:1-3 had to say. You were right on the nose with that one!!!!!!! The only thing these people are concerned about is the slander against the org. Correct me if I am wrong, isn't it slander if it isn't true!!!! They don't see that it will be a bigger problem if the policy doesn't change. It is always wait on Jah. Well, I waited for 22yrs for something to be done, and low and behold it has been exposed in the media and the law suits have only just begun. How else would the policy change? Why can't they see THAT as a sign from Jah. It is only a sign when it is a favorable one!!!!!!! It truly amazes me how blind and unloving they can be, well I expect it but it just makes me shake my head to know at one time I was the same way!!! I am glad to be of my own mind and not a robot anymore!! Love Jesika Thoman, Dallas,Tx

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05 Jul 2002
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THE "true faith"?? as in religion or as faith in Jehovah? The ones who "walk away" from the WTS aka as "the faith" have true faith in Jehovah. They thankfully are not on a JET, but on earth! They got off the JET safe and are being comforted by Jehovah. They have not abandoned God and His Truth. The Jet was hijacked and has now safely landed and the hijackers will be brought to justice. Jehovah has so many tears for these hurt ones, that He moved someone to do something about it. Jehovah has not abandoned one of these silentlambs and never will. King David was a grown man being pursued by a grown man - he had the capacity to spiritually, emotionally and physically protect himself. You cannot compare the incomprehensible horror of child sexual abuse, and trivialize it by calling it "persecution." That is an excuse to do nothing about it while attending meetings. *** JEHOVAH GOD HAS ALREADY HELPED THOSE WHO ARE HURTING. THEY DON'T HAVE TO WAIT ANYMORE. Jehovah already loves the silentlambs and Hates Injustice, here, now, today !No more waiting *** The "jet" story is just a story to say that there is no way off or out, which is a lie. Jehovah is the Sovereign of the Universe and HE ALWAYS MAKES A WAY OUT. Jehovah exists without the WTS, not the other way around. *** soap box

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06 Jul 2002
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Very well said, soap box! ...Age00

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06 Jul 2002
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Thanks SoapBox-the "sister" is willfully stupid on this issue. I think she is referring to an airplane graveyard though. I don't think that the plane is off the ground nor was it ever. I am not "bitter" at the JW's but comments like that ...Man she just doesn't get it.-Sequia

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HI Everyone, It's Barbara again, I have been thinking about this so much lately and would like to offer some help in this area if I can. I am in Florida, in the Tampa Bay Area, if any of you are here and would like to put your heads together with mine and work something out for the good of the children. Or if you know of anyone going through a court case that would just need some support, please let me know, I will be more than happy to help any and every way that I can. Praying for all of you, Barbara

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06 Jul 2002
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Oh Man! Gotta trim these fingernails, typo city!!! Sorry bout that! Barb

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06 Jul 2002
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LOL! Sorry, I couldn't help but laugh about what was posted directly to me above. To the person who posted that to me ...it doesn't surprise me at all. I still laugh at people's ignorance and denial. It's so easy to sit back and say we are just "complainers" and others to call us Apostates, etc. It makes me very angry when people post messages about our "lack of faith" etc. Let me tell you something from my personal view ...During my fifteen year marriage to an abusive Witness man, I prayed and prayed and prayed to God, with sobbing and tears strolling down my face, many times to where I couldn't say my prayers out loud but crying through them all and making silent prayers. Every single time ...and I mean every time ...I prayed about my situation with my husband, what came to my mind was the phrase, "You CAN get a divorce". But, I immediately felt dazed by this, very confused to say the least, since I was taught as a Witness that you have to stay together no matter what. And to be straight forward here, I actually BELIEVED that the words "For better or WORSE" must have meant being knocked around by your spouse. I actually believed that!!! I went to the Elders more times than I can count, they came and counseled him, telling him he WOULD be DF'd if his behavior towards me didn't stop, etc etc. Well ...you can imagine what happened once the Elders left our home! I separated from my husband three different times, for a brief period, and EVERY single time my father would tell me to "get your butt home where you belong". Never so much as ask me what had happened, never giving me the opportunity to speak, just get home where you belong. The third time I left my husband and my father showed up where I was staying, I didn't give HIM opportunity to talk ...I simply stood at the door and told him he had wasted a trip, that I would not be dictated to by him to go back to my husband when he himself had no idea why I had left in the first place! He left in tears. The tremendous confusion I experienced with praying with my "whole heart, mind and soul" brought me almost to a nervous breakdown. I momentarily considered racing through a very busy intersection in hopes that I would crash badly and my pain would be over. My next thought was of my children, and how I couldn't leave my children with that man. I then began a plan of action that took six months to get ready. After all those years of prayers, with "answers?" being that I could get a divorce, and no support or help from my father the P.O., I decided that getting a divorce would be best for me and my children, otherwise my parents/family/children would be attending my funeral at the hands of my husband. The entire time I was planning, saving money for a lawyer and moving expenses, I cannot tell you the immense guilt I felt because I was taught I couldn't leave my husband. After I had all the money I would need, I told my husband to get his *&^%^$# out!!! Oh..he cried and begged and pleaded and made those same old pathetic promises he'd never do it again, yadda yadda yadda. But, I didn't feel a twinge of guilt from the moment I told him I was divorcing him.>>>>To people who have the nerve to say we have no faith in God and are only complainers ...walk in our shoes for just one day! Go through the hell each of us has gone through in full scale and see how you would feel! >>>I STILL have faith in God, but my life has brought me to a place where I am totally lost as to what teachings are really the TRUTH and which are not. I constantly think that everyone has their own interpretation of scripture, so many religions today, how am I supposed to muddle through all the mucky muck and figure out whether I should or shouldn't believe in a Trinity, Hellfire, Holidays, etc. I am at a total loss! I have attended different churches, and I still believe in God and have faith in Him. But when sermons teach things different than what Witnesses teach and are in the back of mind, I feel a real sense of confusion, my thoughts racing like a tornado through my brain. No one can tell me that I don't have faith in God, no one. But my life as a Witness was only one of pain and abuse at the hands of those who claim to care and love you. My reason for speaking out has nothing to do with complaining. Most of us who have been molested, raped, sodomized and other forms of abuse within the Organization have been kept in a mental prison because of Witness rules. If we speak out we're condemned as apostates, which only safeguards the perpetrators of our abuse. If we keep silent, we continue living in our personal Hell which STILL protects the perpetrators. We are damned if we do and damned if we don't. Change must be made within the hierarchy of the organization. Whether what is taught by Witnesses is the Truth or not, is not the basis for victims speaking out, and I no longer have the desire to put forth the energy trying to figure out who teaches the truth or not. I live my life as best I can, doing good towards others, etc and I will answer to the Lord when that day comes. Linda Thoman ...I'm sorry I haven't been here for a few days. Yesterday, July 5th, was my birthday and we had some partying to do!!! LOL Plus for some unknown reason, my browser on my personal computer kept telling me the site was not accessible. I'm posting this on my Fiance's computer.

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Angel31 I HAD PROOF OF MY DAD MOLESTING ME AND HE STILL GOT OFF THE HOOK THE DAMN BASTARD HE WAS A GOOD CITIZEN PROVIDED FOR HIS FAMILY SO THAT MADE ME OUT TO BE THE BAD ONE AND THE PERVERT GOT OFF SO DON'T ASSUME THAT ALL PEOPLE DON'T REPORT MOLESTATION CAUSE THEY DO SOME OF THE SYSTEM IS ON THE SIDE OF THE PERVERTS PENNY

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06 Jul 2002
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Linda, VERY WELL SAID!:::::::::::::::This issue is not matter of who got the right doctrines but of the abused victims ...Even if the Watchtower Society got every doctrine right, if they practice bad deeds, they have to take the responsibility/ punishment just like the ancient Israelites did. THIS IS A MATTER OF MORAL AND BIBLICAL PRINCIPLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!To those calling theses victims "apostates", SHOW ME WHERE IN THE BIBLE SAYS THAT IT IS O. K. TO PROTECT THE PEDOPHILES AND THE ABUSERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I can't believe the WTS has this much nerve after making all those false prophecies ( 1914, 1925,1975 ) and having destroyed so many lives along the way. I'm not going to go there now because I don't think it is relevant to the Silent Lambs ...They, the WTS, should be humble, honest, and loving. Yes, really loving. Jehovah, out God is THE Loving God. Jesus said that we'll see by their fruits ...Age00

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By the way, to those still denying these victims and supporting the WTS's policies, LOOK UP EZEKIEL 3:18 - 21 ...There is another Ezekiel verse saying that it is wrong to say that the wicked is right and the righteous is wicked. Can't remember ...x-p ...Age00

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06 Jul 2002
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10:14:24
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Is there anyone pursuing a legal case against the WTS in the San Francisco Bay Area?

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06 Jul 2002
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HI, I think this website is wonderful. I'm no longer a witness and I'm thankful I got out. I think all of you are strong and I now know that a loving God would never tell us to hide abuse or make us put our faith in a human org. I love reading all of the comments on this site. I see so many different feelings on what's going on. I'm saddened for the abuse victims. I do hope they change their policy too but even if they do I will never go back!! To little lost one: Your not lost anymore! You have your own mind now so Go girl or boy!! I know that if you had the strength to leave; you will have the strength to find what God really wants from you. I know because I'm a lot like you and I have found a lot of happiness since I left. Good luck and hope to hear from you again. Thanks to Jesica and Linda you both have been helping a lot of lost ones that come to this site and I hope that your lives will be filled with happiness. Great pulling together!! we really need to do that when crap like this is going on in religions ... Talk to you soon! U.R.

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06 Jul 2002
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12:40:59
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Linda - dare I say "Happy Birthday"???? *** I totally relate about listening to "doctrine", it gives me knots in my stomach. Not interested anymore in hearing about it. *** I say that the 10 commandments, having faith in One God and Jesus is plenty to do! *** A lot of people are so busy with "doctrine" issues that they haven't the time to be Christian in behavior or develop a relationship with God or learn Faith. Being a Christian is simple and joyful once we get to it. Christianity is retrieving our "common sense" and critical thinking power (perceptive powers) which were taken from us with lies, and confusion. We know Jehovah made us in His Image and Jehovah is not confused nor does he confuse His Sheep. *** Am I getting back on my soap box??? Lies dull the perceptive powers and that is why Jehovah hates a liar. The problem in the Garden of Eden began with a LIE AND IN THE END THE TRUTH WILL PREVAIL. Love, C.E.

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06 Jul 2002
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14:35:09
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Chill my uptight bros. http://www.geocities.com/br_burns/number5.html

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06 Jul 2002
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The Top Ten Ways To Look More Spiritual Than You Really Are # 10 - Always hold your chin and keep a serious look on your face at the meetings, and whenever someone comments, nod your head # 9 - Offer the friends suggestions on how they could have done better on their talk # 8 - Always talk about the time you placed 10 magazines in 15 minutes # 7- Sing louder than everyone else at the meeting # 6 - Bring both insight volumes with you to every meeting # 5 - Start every comment by saying " In harmony with brother __________ 's comment, and make sure you always cover the A and B part # 4 - After the meeting, continue singing the song that was just sung to close the meeting # 3 - Wear field service clothes to the congregation picnic # 2 - Ask everyone do they think they are working in harmony with God's will # 1 - When someone at your job asks you what you're doing for lunch, tell them you're going to apply 1 Corinthians 15:33 Copied to poor choice of red on blue original. Da' link, http://www.geocities.com/br_burns/number8.html

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06 Jul 2002
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14:49:20
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Exceptionally bad JW humor. http://www.geocities.com/br_burns/number13.html

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06 Jul 2002
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15:08:27
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Classic JW humor. http://www.geocities.com/br_burns/number25.html

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06 Jul 2002
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15:29:50
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Highly spiritual JW humor. http://www.geocities.com/br_burns/41.html

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06 Jul 2002
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Highly Spiritual JW humor Part two. http://www.geocities.com/br_burns/42.html

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06 Jul 2002
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20:28:26
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Yes, Happy Birthday Linda! Happy Happy Day!!!!!

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06 Jul 2002
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20:31:25
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I think your web site is a great contribution to many people who have been abused and then thrown away. Shows them they are not alone and they can and will survive. I hope more sites like this develop. Thank you for what you are doing. MKS

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06 Jul 2002
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20:34:31
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Why isn't anyone on the chat line ever? How about we all set a time and meet on the chat line? What time works for you all? U.R

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06 Jul 2002
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The chat line is so slow, that it would take forever to get any deep thought across, that is why I am sure none of us use it. Fast and efficient it is not.

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07 Jul 2002
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03:23:48
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DEAR MR. BOWEN, PLEASE CLOSE THIS SITE DOWN, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE LEFT JEHOVAH. PLEASE RETURN BEFORE ITS TO LATE.

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07 Jul 2002
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07:30:48
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Show me a man (or woman) who condemns another by saying that Jehovah has left his child and I will show you a man (or women) who has condemned him (or her ) self. Enough said. BLM

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07 Jul 2002
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07:36:33
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now where did that 't' come from LOL :-) BLM

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07 Jul 2002
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Re: "Correct Doctrine" - JWs fall HEAVILY into the syndrome of 'can't see the forest for the trees'. They are IMMERSED in the trees, consumed by them, glued to them, reverent of them, and completely blinded by them. And the big picture? They haven't a clue. They don't even recognize that there IS such a thing as a 'big picture'.

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07 Jul 2002
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To the lost ones ...It is common that XJWs want NOTHING To do with almost any religion. And yet, I think it is obvious, as stated in the very beginning of the Catholic Catechism that, "Man is a religious being'. We even almost all gesture to the exact same place (our hearts) when we speak of God [actually not sure if that's true for JWs, however]. We KNOW, in our hearts, that God is close by. Especially those of us who have suffered ...He's stood VERY CLOSE to us ... I stayed away from ANY religion for 12 years after leaving JWs. Then made the rounds of many, many different churches and denominations. Also explored American Indian faith and other kinds of belief systems within the Unitarian structure ...today I've found 'home' in Catholicism, which, although VERY deeply Christian, is also more cognizant of the godlike spirituality and motivation of people like Buddha or Mohammed or Gandhi or other Christian leaders of MANY denominations. It has let me love God AND my perceptions. I am no longer in the business of trying to talk anyone into any particular faith, and like many XJWs, I am fairly ashamed that I once did - and succeeded, too. But I always keep in mind the scripture that says that, 'Just like a loving parent, just like you, God will not hear you cry for water and give you a stone'. Searching is good. Believe that the mind and heart and powers of perception that God gave you, along with God and the strength of your prayers, will lead you to a place of comfort. A 'right fit'. For man is a religious being. But too, religion IN COMMUNITY is a loving gift from a loving God ...I pray you will find it one day. Don't be discouraged if it takes awhile. (It might or might not). As you are moving toward your spiritual home, so you are moving towards your life. God bless you. You are all in my prayers.

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07 Jul 2002
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Thank you for the Birthday wishes! I think I've decided to start aging backwards! LOL! Rather than being 42 now, I think I'll start backwards ...but wait, I don't wanna ever ...be a teenager again! OK, I think I'll just keep aging forward! LOL I had a wonderful birthday, thank you all! Linda Thoman

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07 Jul 2002
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OK, who said that Bill should shut this site down! That he should come back to Jehovah? You must be a witness at the present and should not even be on this site commenting, right? ARE YOU AN APOSTATE? Do you know that your belief is that you shouldn't be here? Do you know that God can see what your doing in secret? What else are you doing that the elders don't know about but Jehovah knows? Just a thought? Maybe if your going to say that your going to live 100 percent the bible, then maybe you should stop being a hypocrite and coming on this site when they (WTS) tells you not to. Doesn't that bother your conscience? Work on yourself before you come here and Judge!!!!

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07 Jul 2002
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http://jwzone.org/ Enter the Daily Text for Sunday, July 7 A slave is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted me, they will persecute you also.-- John 15:20. Saturday, July 6 | Monday, July 8 Jehovah's Witnesses today are not passive churchgoers. They take an active part in the evangelizing work. Like the early Christians, they present themselves willingly to do God's will, seeking to help others learn about Jehovah's Kingdom promises. In doing so, they reflect Jehovah's mercy and love to unbelieving humankind. And they do so despite encountering apathy, ridicule, and persecution. Jesus prepared his followers for mixed reactions to the good news when he said the words in today's text. We cannot fail to be impressed by the similarity between Jehovah's Witnesses today and those who embraced true Christianity in the first century. What we see among Jehovah's Witnesses is a living faith, a genuine faith, and a faith that is based on Bible truth that they feel impelled to share with all who will listen.--1 Tim. 2:3, 4. w 4/1/01 12, 13a Excerpt from "Examining the Scriptures Daily 2002". © 2001 WatchTower Bible & Tract Society of PA

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https://watch001.securesites.com/contact/submit.htm Enter the Daily Text for Sunday, July 7 A slave is not greater than his master. If they have persecuted me, they will persecute you also.-- John 15:20. Saturday, July 6 | Monday, July 8 Jehovah's Witnesses today are not passive churchgoers. They take an active part in the evangelizing work. Like the early Christians, they present themselves willingly to do God's will, seeking to help others learn about Jehovah's Kingdom promises. In doing so, they reflect Jehovah's mercy and love to unbelieving humankind. And they do so despite encountering apathy, ridicule, and persecution. Jesus prepared his followers for mixed reactions to the good news when he said the words in today's text. We cannot fail to be impressed by the similarity between Jehovah's Witnesses today and those who embraced true Christianity in the first century. What we see among Jehovah's Witnesses is a living faith, a genuine faith, and a faith that is based on Bible truth that they feel impelled to share with all who will listen.--1 Tim. 2:3, 4. w 4/1/01 12, 13a Excerpt from "Examining the Scriptures Daily 2002". © 2001 WatchTower Bible & Tract Society of PA

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https://watch001.securesites.com/contact/submit.htm

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07 Jul 2002
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If not hyperlinked then copy and paste. https://watch001.securesites.com/contact/submit.htm

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EXPOSE IN UK!!!!!!! Found this on the jehovahs-witness.com --- It will air July14th and again on the 18th: Panorama is the premier "expose" channel in the UK, and always publishes it's findings on the web around about the time that their programme is aired. Look:http://http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/audiovideo/programmes/panorama/default.stm I pasted it from the other site. I am not sure if it will link or not, but I do know this is where one of the people got their info. Thought I would let you guys know. Love Jesika Thoman Dallas, Tx

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Well for some reason the link isn't working. So I copied it for everyone *** : SUFFER THE LITTLE CHILDREN Watch the programme on Sunday 14 July at 22:15 BST, on BBC One or from this page. With the Catholic Church still reeling from revelations that it kept child abuse quiet, Panorama investigates a world-wide religion that stands accused of shielding abusers: the Jehovah's Witnesses. The programme tells the harrowing stories of children put at risk by the Watchtower Society's bible-based policies and unearths evidence of a database of members suspected of child abuse - many of whom have never been reported to the police. The organization claims to monitor the men accused of raping and molesting children but now faces allegations that it covers up crime and pressurizes victims not to go to the police. Panorama takes its evidence to the heart of the organization and reveals the damage caused by the silent witnesses. Production Team: Reporter: Betsan Powys Producer: Murdoch Rodgers Assistant Producer: Shabnam Grewal Editor: Mike Robinson Well there it is again in black and white. I will post the whole story after it airs!!!! Love Jesika Thoman Dallas,Tx

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I'm sure glad that I left the WTS so I could come here and see the daily text!!! Thanks who ever you are I forgot that I need you to show me what the bible tell me to do ... Stop wasting your time here. We already know what you teach and that's why we are no longer witnesses. We can look up scriptures for ourselves; unlike you ... Thanks for caring so much to try to get the plank out of our eye instead of your own!!!

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Was a JW for 30 some years, My dad is a traveling minster which he has been doing for the last 20 years. My bother went to Bethel, and was ask to leave. We both were kick out. I have seen a lot of covering up, and would like to learn more about you. Timthetoolmaninmichigan@yahoo.com

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After many years of abuse (while an elder and P.O.) my husband began to threaten to kill me. He made his threats several times. I ran for help to an elder I respected. He was a regular pioneer and a substitute C.O. His reply? At least twice he said, "You have unfounded fears." Another time I tried to run away. He got two elder friends to "talk" to me. I was accused of hurting him because it would cause him to have "nightmares" if he had to live with the fear me leaving him. I tried to run away again. I called another elder for help. He said I couldn't come to their home. A sister in one of the healing professions acted as my advocate to the elders in one congregation. I had plans to run to her house. The day I was prepared to act on them she said I couldn't come there either. At a new congregation, even after he picked me up and threw me (I sustained bruises and a whiplash) the elders still thought I was "too hasty" in filing for a divorce. Hmm 25 years of abuse and I was being "too hasty?" How does that happen? I was also accused of "making him a subject for adultery" by filing for divorce. He already did that and lost his privileges! These are just bits and pieces from several years and several congregations. Jehovah finally rescued me and got me out. What did the elders do then? Help me? NO. They put "unofficial restrictions" on me which lasted 2 years! They said "Jehovah wouldn't do that!" He wouldn't rescue me from this abusive JW man. Finally, after much struggling and agony I was able to leave this oppressive religion. 43 years of my life imprisoned by mental and emotional bonds stronger than any prison bars. How nice to be in the sunshine again! Thank you for this website. You are doing a good work.

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I have never lost a debate with a Jehovah Witness with this simple philosophy, "2+2=4." However, they do have my blessing that one day they find that true path that they strive for. For me, I found it long ago. I would gladly share it with anyone who wants but, I ask a Jehovah's Witnesses this question, "If I could show you a true path towards God, one full of peace, love, and grace ...But the price would be that you would have to see that the WatchTower Society is not the "exclusive channel" Would you still be willing to accept it? All have said no. They have my pity. The eight words of a dying religion is "But we have never done it that way." I hope that one day the body of Jehovah's Witnesses see that just because it is not their way does not mean it is not God's way. "Man's ways are not God's ways." The Watchtower has a dream of a few men's "Perfect Paradise." Be careful what you wish for, you might get it.-Sequia

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Barbara from Tampa Bay, e-mail me I would like to talk. I live in Tampa. I have my own story to tell about unloving treatment at the hands of Gestapo elders *** Loris *** lmatheny@emtecae.com

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what i find so damn annoying and funny is the hypocrisy among more, shall we say, prominent JWs. Take for instance, Serena and Venus Williams, the African-American tennis players. Supposedly they are unbaptized pubs and only associate closely with others like them--JWs. Serena has even publicly thanked Jehovah God in interviews after tennis matches, most recently Saturday, after winning Championships Wimbledon over her sis. How can they be considered devout JWs in good standing if they are taking up so much time practicing for recreation sports and going to games. I don't see the Society punishing THEM with Disfellowshipment or with loss of privileges ...! They even sang the US National Anthem, stood for it, said the pledge of allegiance, and draped themselves in an American flag. WT HQ or the Williams' congregation does nothing ... But if they weren't so famous and RICH, I bet 2 cents that the folks at Bethel would be on their asses faster than you could say Jehosaphat ...amazing, how hypocritical that is. What do you guys think?

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Wow, I didn't know about the Williams sisters being JW's's, unbaptized or not, it's interesting. Since they're not baptized, the cong can't DF them, so I would imagine they are not thought of as "true" witnesses by the majority in their cong. Probably raised by JW's's, and are walking the fence so to speak. Linda Thoman

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I remember years ago when I was studying to a JW, I asked the sister who was conducting the study about the Jackson family (at that time Michael Jackson was DF). The sister and the other sister who was present at that time laughed and said, "We don't even consider them as Witnesses" in very sarcastic way ...So maybe the William Sisters are ignored by the cong. and the WTS, or maybe the WTS think they have a bigger fish to fry: the Silent Lambs. :-O

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Sorry, I just saw that I missed "be" in the first sentence. It's "when I was studying to *be* a witness".

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Serena's one HOT Jehovah's Witness ...wish she was in my cong. damn she is FINE! Can u say total babe? LOL just ramblin' ...sorry

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What's up with Michael Jackson? Don Wade on WLS radio this am just (rightfully) RIPPED him for his pedophilia. It's nice to see that 'Stars' are not any longer getting the free ride they recently were in the department of 'sex crimes'. It will be a welcome change. I hope it sticks. Anybody know what's up?

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Can an active JW or an Ex-JW PLEASE answer this question? You know all the stuff about "separating people, goats verses sheep in the book of Matthew, right? The new release called "Worship the Only True God", page 179 from the summer District Convention this year says, " After World War I, there was a separating of all who claimed to be Christian into two classes: (1) The clergy of Christendom and their followers, (ALL THOSE IN CHURCHES) who came out in strong support of the League of Nations (now the United Nations) while still holding fast to their national loyalties, and (2) true Christians (JW's ONLY) of that postwar era, who gave their full support to God's Messianic Kingdom, not to the nations of this world. (John 17:16) These proved themselves true servants of God's Kingdom by undertaking the preaching of "this good news of the kingdom" earth wide. (Matthew 24:14) Okay, here is what I don't understand and never have to be honest. If the separating work didn't begin until after World War I, what happens to all those who died before hand? They will be resurrected onto a paradise earth to learn about Jehovah under much better conditions while the rest of us are being judged NOW?? It appears that I'd have a better chance of "making it" had I lived before 1914-1918! Is anyone following my logic? I have thought for a very long time that the separating work isn't happening now. The Watchtower October 15, 1995 on page 22 says "In other words, the parable points to the FUTURE when the son of man will come in his glory." Page 23 says "Understanding the parable of the sheep and the goats in this way indicates that the rendering of judgment on the sheep and the goats is FUTURE. It will take place after "the tribulation" mentioned at Matthew 24:29-30 breaks out and the Son of man 'arrives in his glory." Is it loving to expect everyone to come to an accurate knowledge NOW? My heart says no. I'm hoping that Jehovah is a much more loving God then those who demand so much from us now. It's no wonder I live in a state of confusion! Someone in Texas

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To Someone In Texas ...I completely understand your confusion. Sad to say, confusion will continue and probably increase, as the Witnesses are continually changing what they believe one day after the next. With all the changes, the "New Light" and "New Understanding", one belief/doctrine long held suddenly changes and all followers are supposed to simply accept (without doubt or question) whatever the Society says is the "current understanding". So, don't get yourself worked up into a tizzy over it. I left the Org Officially in '95, and at the time I was attending, the "understanding" was that the sheep and goats were already being separated. I find it extremely comical, I'm sitting here laughing, that the above quote about the JW's being the only group who were keeping themselves far from the U.N.!! LOL, sorry but this to me is hysterical, since it's already been brought out numerous times in previous posts with links for proof that the Watchtower Society was a MEMBER if the U.N. for TEN YEARS, and only last October withdrew their membership when people started questioning them about it. I also have recently learned that the new book you referred to replaces a previous book, and that at least 3 original chapters were removed! Hmm, I wonder what the Society's doctrine/Belief will have changed to now. ??? I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the Society comes out with a whole new book, with more remarkable "new light". LOL Linda Thoman

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Hi Linda, "Worship the Only True God" that was just released, what book did it replace, do you know? I understand what you mean about "new light/new understanding all too well! What's sad is everyone believes whatever the WTS says because it's being directed by Jehovah himself. But then I ask myself, would Jehovah approve of what is going on? The answer is a screaming NOOOOOOO! I hope you have found true peace and happiness! Are we sheep or goats? Let's not ask! LOL Someone in Texas

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From: "silentlambs" <info@silentlambs.org> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 22:03:08 -0500 To: <info@silentlambs.org> Subject: Spare the rod-spoil the organization --- Well you might say we had a marvelous time in Minnesota. I traveled to ST Paul Minnesota on Monday of this week to meet with Jeff Anderson and discuss upcoming defendants that are coming out to sue Watchtower. On Tuesday I was able to meet Heidi Meyer for the first time. She had contacted me after viewing the Dateline program and was motivated as many others are to stand up and do something about being silenced by her local elders. Heidi reported that her molester may have molested as many as ten young girls. Yet he still remains a JW in good standing and reads for the book study. Along with Heidi is a “Jane Doe” who chose to remain anonymous to the public. Both are 22 years of age and on Tuesday through Jeff Anderson's office filed yet another lawsuit against Watchtower. This will now make officially five young women who are in litigation with the Society over being molested. --- The press conference was held at Mr. Anderson's office. The office occupies the entire floor of a St Paul high rise. We were hoping to have at least two cameras and a newspaper show up for the press conference. As 1:30 pm neared the press just kept coming, we kept having to wait for them to set up more cameras. Finally fifteen minutes late we came into a huge conference room. There were five cameras running, representing a clean sweep of all televised media in the Minneapolis area. Both of the major newspapers were there along with the AP and a few other reporters that I did not know who they were with. We expected the press conference to last 15 minutes, it lasted an hour. The reporters just kept asking questions, you know the kind JR Brown cannot answer unless he hands out his one year old video. It was amazing to see how quickly they were getting it and the look of disdain and shock when they realized what Watchtower Policy had done to these beautiful young ladies. After the Conference the story was up on the internet within thirty minutes. We went out to celebrate and at a local pub got to watch ourselves on television. A few people came up to the table and asked if that was us on TV and we were happy to explain the basis for our faith….no wait, instead, we talked about JW elders hiding child molesters locally. Everyone gave us atta boys and appreciation for what we were doing. One person there was so moved he bought everyone at our table a round of drinks as a salute. There are no words to describe the look of hope and vindication that was found in the eyes of these young sisters. They were no longer silentlambs they had taken their power back from those who had robbed it from them. There was also a young sister who came from over 1500 miles away when she heard about the lawsuit being filed. She just wanted to be there for support, she had never met either of these sisters before, she to is a survivor of a JW molester. It moved Mr. Anderson so much to see her there….. Well, let's just say you might be learning her name soon in your local paper, but why should we allow Watchtower to know when or where? --- As we sit and talked I mentioned that it appears we spanked Watchtower again. You may recall that as a quote that was made in the Paducah paper when the judicial committee failed to show for their hearing. I went on to say it seems this is getting to be a habit when you consider the events of the last year. Time and again when they maneuver their misinformation moves, it blows up in their faces. It was then Heidi made the comment, “Well you know Bill the bible says, Spare the rod, spoil the organization.” What better quote to end this with than that, I think I will go write that on the bathroom wall, “Spare the rod, spoil the organization.” --- Below you will see the articles I have been able to find on this, if you find others send them to me and I will put it on the sl list. Please remember to write the reporters and editors of these papers and express appreciation for their efforts. --- Regards, Bill [urls to articles already posted by others]

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From: "silentlambs" <info@silentlambs.org> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2002 22:11:24 -0500 To: <info@silentlambs.org> Subject: Distribute Freely --- Questions to Ask Jehovah's Witnesses When They Call at your Door --- Recently the Public Information Department for Jehovah's Witnesses has made certain comments to the media. Each remark confirms a certain aspect of Watchtower Policy regarding child molestation that most members of Jehovah's Witnesses are not aware of. To encourage Jehovah's Witnesses to educate themselves regarding how their church handles molestation issues we suggest asking them the following questions when they call at your door. --- 1. Why do elders in your church only report child molesters in States where it is legally required? --- Tennessean/Nashville-05/11/02-Brown said, “If parents come to congregation leaders with concerns that their child is being abused, the leaders follow state law. If state law requires parents to report the abuse, congregation leaders tell them that.” --- Paducah Sun-Paducah KY-1-28-01-“Brown said the church does not necessarily equate reporting the matter to law enforcement to protecting the child because "not all the time does government authority provide the protection the child needs.” --- LOUISVILLE-COURIER-Louisville, KY-May 8, 2002-“Leaders of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, ‘say that in States that do not require reporting of abuse, they prefer taking steps to protect children while not breaching what they see as confidential communications between elders and members.” --- 2. Do you support your church policy of requiring pedophile's to call at my home? --- AP/CNN-May 9, 2002-“J.R. Brown, a spokesman for the denomination, said that anyone found guilty of molestation by a church judicial committee is removed from all positions of responsibility and cannot evangelize door-to-door without being accompanied by a fellow Jehovah's Witness.” --- Asbury Park Press-New Jersey-5/14/02-“Semonian said anyone convicted of child molestation cannot hold a position of authority in the church and cannot perform church work alone.” --- Watchtower Media Website Statement-Brooklyn, NY-“In a few instances, individuals guilty of an act of child abuse have been appointed to positions within the congregation if their conduct has been otherwise exemplary for decades. All the factors are considered carefully…'Let us say that 20 years have passed… ‘the man could possibly be appointed to a responsible position within the congregation.” --- 3. Do you know how many child molesters are in your local Kingdom Hall? If so what are their names? --- Paducah Sun-Paducah, KY 1-28-01-“Moreno of Watchtower Legal, agreed with Bowen's charge that a congregation would also not be told if a pedophile had joined the flock." --- News Channel 6-Paducah, KY-5-15-02-“Members at Bowen's old Kingdom Hall in Draffenville admit discouraging members from telling just anybody. "The difference between needless gossip, let's say, and withholding information from those who have a right to know is two different things completely," says Jehovah's Witness Bruce Waite.” --- Help Jehovah's Witnesses to understand Watchtower Policy by sharing statements their leaders have made to media, encourage them to write home office and demand proper changes be made to protect all children who come in contact with Jehovah's Witnesses.

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Though not all sex abuse is by a blood relative, the fact that incest, etc. was covered in Leviticus Chapter 18 ... close enough! --- Leviticus 18:6: "You people must not come near, any man of you, to any close fleshly relative of his to lay bare nakedness. I am Jehovah." (Even though it says, "any man of you," the principle would apply to those who may not have reached full manhood yet, I would think). --- Sibling "Sex Abuse": Lev. 18:9: "As for the nakedness of your sister, the daughter of your father or the daughter of your mother, whether born in the same household or born outside it, you must not lay bare their nakedness." --- "Sex Abuse" by a Grandfather: Lev. 18:10: "As for the nakedness of the daughter of your son or the daughter of your daughter, you must not lay bare their nakedness, because they are your nakedness." --- Step-Family/Sibling "Sex Abuse": Lev. 18:11: "As for the nakedness of the daughter of your father's wife, the offspring of your father, she being your sister, you must not lay bare her nakedness." --- (vs. 12-13-14-15-16 deals with aunts, uncles, daughters-in-law, sisters-in-law). --- "Sex Abuse" w/mothers & daughters & granddaughters: Lev. 18:17: "The nakedness of a woman and her daughter you must not lay bare. The daughter of her son [granddaughter] and the daughter of her daughter [granddaughter] you must not take in order to lay her nakedness bare. They are cases of blood relationship. It is loose conduct." --- There may be other scriptures that apply in principle (i.e., not to lay down with father's wife -- in reverse that would be "sex abuse" of the wife with the son; and the scriptures of men lying with men -- at whatever age, in principle, would be the same as "sex abuse" of boys). --- TO SUM IT ALL UP: "Do not make yourselves unclean by any of these things, because by all these things the nations whom I am sending out from before you have made themselves unclean. Consequently the land is unclean, and I shall bring punishment for its error upon it, and the land will vomit its inhabitants out. And you yourselves must keep my statutes and my judicial decisions, and you must not do any of all these detestable things, whether a native or an alien resident who is residing as an alien in your midst. For all these detestable things the men of the land who were before you have done, so that the land is unclean ... In case anyone DOES any of all these detestable things, then the souls doing them must be cut off from among their people. And you must keep your obligation to me not to carry on any of the detestable customs that have been carried on before you, that you may not make yourselves unclean by them. I am Jehovah your God." (Lev. 18:24-30) --- SLC

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This article does not mention JWs specifically, but it's powerful info anyway ... go to: http://www.shopnetdaily.com/store/item.asp?ITEM_ID=870 Whistle blower Magazine - July 2002 edition – GAY RIGHTS' SECRET AGENDA: How the homosexual activist movement has targeted America's children. --- One of its most controversial, hard-hitting editions ever published, the July issue of WorldNetDaily's acclaimed Whistle blower magazine is a stunning exposé of the homosexual activist movement. --- "This issue of the magazine is breathtaking," said Editor and CEO Joseph Farah. "I don't think most people, even WND's sophisticated readership, know what 'gay rights' is really all about. The July issue just vaporizes the movement's slick marketing veneer, and then documents thoroughly the nightmarish world these powerful, well-funded activists have in store for America's children." --- Called "Gay rights' secret agenda," the issue explores "How and why the homosexual activist movement has targeted America's children." --- "Gay characters have become the norm on sitcoms," writes Steve Baldwin in one of the issue's reports. "It has become fashionable to attack the Boy Scouts; homosexual propaganda inundates many of America's public schools; nearly all the mainstream religious denominations have 'revised' their understanding of biblical teaching concerning homosexuality; and the gay 'rights' legislative agenda is succeeding beyond the advocates' wildest imaginations." --- Thus, says Baldwin, "it is difficult to convey the dark side of the homosexual culture without appearing harsh. However, it is time to acknowledge that homosexual behavior threatens the foundation of Western civilization – the nuclear family. An unmistakable manifestation of the attack on the family unit is the homosexual community's efforts to target children both for their own sexual pleasure and to enlarge the homosexual movement. --- "The homosexual community and its allies in the media scoff at this argument," Baldwin notes. "They insist it is merely a tactic to demonize the homosexual movement." --- But truth is stranger than fiction, notes the author: "Research confirms that homosexuals molest children at a rate vastly higher than heterosexuals, and the mainstream homosexual culture commonly promotes sex with children. Homosexual leaders repeatedly argue for the freedom to engage in consensual sex with children, and blind surveys reveal a shockingly high number of homosexuals admit to sexual contact with minors. Indeed, the homosexual community is driving the worldwide campaign to lower the legal age of consent." --- But that's just the beginning. July's Whistle blower includes: --- * "Activists in the newsroom," by Joseph Farah, revealing in their own words how homosexuals have risen to high positions in the "mainstream" media and made it nearly impossible to get the "straight" story. * "Child molestation and the homosexual movement," by Steve Baldwin, documenting in-depth how the gay-rights agenda is strongly focused on youth. * "Sex, lies and Kinsey," by Dr. Judith Reisman, revealing how criminal pedophile experiments on infants and toddlers were enshrined as liberating "research," became the basis of our modern beliefs about sex, and succeeded in revolutionizing science, education, law and psychiatry. * "Catholics learning sex from Kinsey's disciples," by Art Moore, documenting for the first time how the late reputed-pedophile professor's teaching created an environment for scandals, and how Kinsey's radically non-Christian teachings became enmeshed in the Catholic Church in America. * "'Pedophile priests' and Boy Scouts," by David Kaplan, explaining why the news media have a wildly double standard in covering gay issues. * "'Safe schools': The Trojan Horse of the 'gay' education movement?" by Linda P. Harvey, an in-depth look at the current push for "safe zones" – often amounting to homosexual recruiting zones – in America's public schools. Find out why Dr. James Dobbs has publicly called for parents to take their children out of government schools that indoctrinate kindergarten-age students with "homosexual propaganda." * "Republicans walking tightrope on 'gay rights,'" by Robert H. Knight, showing how the Bush administration is freely appointing homosexuals to high positions. * "Why Judaism rejected homosexuality," by Dennis Pager. This stunning report, which won the first prize from the prestigious Amy Foundation, reveals how the Jewish religion, and later Christianity, brought about the ultimate sexual revolution. One of the most important and revealing articles on homosexuality ever published. * "Gay rights' secret agenda," by David Kupelian, which explores the core reasons that activist homosexuals are obsessed with youth. * "Change is possible" by Stephen Bennett. A former promiscuous gay – now happily married for nine years and with two children – describes his 'coming out' of homosexuality. --- "Our goal with Whistle blower has always been to showcase the kind of groundbreaking reporting and raw, truthful information that could truly change the reader's paradigm – the way he sees things," said WND Vice President and Managing Editor David Kupelian. "This issue of Whistle blower succeeds in that big-time. I think our readers will be in a state of shock when they read this issue. Their understanding of the Catholic Church's sex scandal, of what's really happening to America's public schools and other institutions, and even of their own religion, will never be the same." --- © 2001 WorldNetDaily.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. E&OE

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From: "silentlambs" <info@silentlambs.org> Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 12:05:49 -0500 To: <info@silentlambs.org> Subject: SILENTLAMBS MARCH --- All Are Invited to Attend --- SILENTLAMBS ABUSE SURVIVORS MARCH --- BROOKLYN, NEW YORK --- Help Jehovah's Witnesses see the importance of protecting children. --- September 27, 2002, 2:00 P. M. --- Pierpoint Place &Columbia Heights --- For further information see: www.silentlambs.org <http://www.silentlambs.org/> --- 1-877-WTABUSE --- You Are Invited to a silentlambs March in Brooklyn New York --- On September 27th 2002, we are asking for survivors and supporters of those who have suffered abuse within the Jehovah's Witness community come together for a peaceful march in Brooklyn New York. --- WHY ATTEND? At silentlambs we care about children, in addition, we wish to let abuse survivors know that are not alone and have our support. This will be a united statement to the Watchtower organization that they must change policy to protect our children. Also, if you can serve as an eye-witness it is another way to take a stand for righteousness in behalf of all silentlambs. --- WHO MAY COME? EVERYONE! At silentlambs we practice “don't ask don't tell” when we gather for important events. We do not care if you are DF, DA, or what you may personally hold as belief. We ask that all simply support those who were abused as Jehovah's Witnesses without prejudice as to standing in the organization. If you plan to attend please email and let us know how many are in your group to help us to know beforehand how large a group will be there so we may plan accordingly. --- WHERE: The march will start on the west side of Pierpoint Place and Columbia Heights we will then walk about seven blocks to our destination 25 Columbia Heights. --- WHAT WILL WE DO? When we arrive, those who wish as time allows, may make a sixty second statement on how their lives have been affected by abuse within the Jehovah's Witness organization. All are invited to bring a stuffed lamb for each Jehovah's Witness victim of abuse they know to leave as a symbolic gesture of how many have been hurt by Watchtower Policy. --- EYE WITNESSES: If you wish to serve as an eye-witness regarding how the Governing Body has allowed Watchtower Policy to hurt children, you are invited to come forward. Please email your name, address, and telephone to Bill Bowen at info@silentlambs.org . Whatever your status regarding the organization you have the right to serve as an eye-witness. Read enclosed letter to the Governing Body for further explanation. Please bring any written documentation such as Watchtower correspondence along with your first hand experience of what happened to your or your family when abuse problems arose. Please be willing to explain how you were hurt by Watchtower Policy. --- TRAVEL ARRANGEMENTS: We have obtained discount hotel and rental car discounts if you wish to attend and spend the night. Please email at assistance@silentlambs.org and let us know how many in your group are planning to attend and we will provide you with a list of accommodations to choose from and how to make arrangements. You can also arrange air travel through www.travelocity.com <http://www.travelocity.com/> --- TRAVEL FUND: If you wish to assist abuse survivors to attend who are financially unable, we are setting aside a special silentlambs travel fund. I am contributing the first $100 to help those who may not be able to afford travel expenses. Your assistance will determine how many we can assistance to be there. --- If you need financial assistance to attend, please email as assistance@silentlambs.org Please send your name address and telephone as well as a brief description of what assistance you need in order to participate in the silentlambs march. --- WHY COME? I think it is best described by poem that was posted on my Guestbook, it goes as follows: --- It's not enough to have a dream unless I'm willing to pursue it ... It's not enough to know what's right unless I'm strong enough to do it ... It's not enough to join a crowd, to be acknowledged and accepted ... I must be true to my ideals, even if I'm left out and rejected ... It's not enough to learn the truth unless I also learn to live it ... It's no enough to reach for love unless I care enough to give it ... --- In conclusion, it is an honor to be associated with those who speak and take a stand for what is right. Your efforts to attend will make a difference. Abuse survivors are the real heroes of silentlambs, with hearts like a lion and courage like David, their actions protect children they will never know. Our united efforts will protect children who have yet to be born. --- June 6, 2002 --- Service Committee/Service Department c/o Watchtower 25 Columbia Heights Brooklyn, NY 11201 --- Dear brothers, --- I am writing to address a serious matter involving the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. The basis of this letter is found in the scriptures at Galatians 2:11-14. In those verses it describes the occasion when Paul confronted Peter for wrongdoing. The humble reaction of Peter not only showed his repentance but his willingness to follow theocratic direction. --- It is interesting to note in a recent letter dated February 7, 2002, this position was reiterated by the head of the Department of Public Information, J. R. Brown. Therein Brother Brown states, “Our Governing Body is willing to resolve differences of opinion within the framework of the congregation and according to Scriptural principles.” This is a welcome affirmation of how an organization directed by God's spirit should operate. No one is above God's law, even as Peter who walked with Christ did not consider himself above reproof from a fellow elder when he became involved in wrongdoing. --- Wrongdoing is a serious matter within God's organization. By the directions we are offered, no one is above the directives offered by His organization and anyone who knows of serious wrongdoing and does not report it would in effect, “share in the sin” thus making them subject to a similar judgment for not reporting the matter. To provide the basis for this opinion I refer to the 1985 Watchtower where it makes this statement: --- *** w85 11/15 21-2 Do Not Share in the Sins of Others *** Elders must also be alert not to protect one another or ministerial servants if one of them has committed a serious sin that could result in disfellowshipping.They should follow the principle outlined by Paul, who wrote: “Never lay your hands hastily upon any man; neither be a sharer in the sins of others; preserve yourself chaste.”—1 Timothy 5:22. --- Today I write this letter as a fellow elder and Jehovah's Witness in good standing. Why do I make that statement? In December of the year 2000 I made public my decision to resign as an elder in protest of Watchtower Policy regarding how child molestation was handled in the Christian congregation. While on December 31, of that year the Circuit Overseer informed me that he accepted my resignation, yet to date, no announcement to the congregation has been made in that regard. By protocol within the organization it would appear as a result I remain an elder until that announcement is made. Please refer to the June 28, 1999 letter to All Bodies of Elders where it states: --- [Page-2; June 6, 2002] --- “An announcement of deletion should be made to the congregation after receiving from the Society the returned S-2 form or an S-52 letter indicating that the recommendation has been approved. In such a case, the brother should be informed of his deletion before the announcement is made.” --- So according to this information the deletion does not take effect until the announcement is read to the local congregation and I am informed of it being given, thus it appears that along with being a Jehovah‘s Witness in good standing I also remain an elder. It is true this is a loophole but you might compare it to the loophole used by Watchtower Legal to avoid reporting child molestation in 33 States. As they use their loophole to protect the image of the organization, I use my loophole to try and protect children. --- Therefore with the above thoughts in mind I as a Jehovah's Witness and fellow elder wish to make the following charges against the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses: --- 1. Apostasy-The Governing body has taken action against the true worship of Jehovah and the established order among his dedicated people (Jer.17:13; 23:15; 28.15,16 ; 2 Thess. 2: 9,10). They have deliberately spread and stubbornly held to teachings contrary to Bible truth in the establishment of an organizational Policy that hurts children. --- 2. Loose Conduct-The Governing Body has shown a disregard for theocratic order in their failure to protect the flock. ( Gal. 5:19:2 Pet. 2:7; w83 3/15 p.31; w73 9115 pp, 574-6; it-2 p. 264 ) --- 3. Causing Divisions-The Governing Body has committed deliberate action to disrupt the unity of the congregation and undermined the confidence of the brothers in Jehovah's arrangement by their inaction on matters concerning child abuse and battered women. ( Rom. 16:17, 18; Titus 3: 10,11 ) --- The actions of the Governing Body in establishing Watchtower Policy with regard to how child molestation is handled in the Christian Congregation at the direction of the Service Department, Legal Department, District Overseers, Circuit Overseers, and local elders, has broken God's law and destroyed the lives of many faithful brothers and sisters. --- Therefore I formerly request to resolve this matter “within the framework of the congregation and according to Scriptural principles,” by calling for a judicial committee to be convened in Brooklyn, New York on September 27, 2002 of three impartial elders who are spiritual men with no fear for standing up for righteousness. I will bring several hundred eye-witnesses who will provide extensive evidence in the form of written documentation, personal experience, and eye-witness testimony, to accuse the Governing [Page-3; June 6, 2002] Body that by their policy on child molestation they are guilty of racketeering, witness tampering, conduct unbecoming a Christian and crimes against children. --- It is my hope the judicial committee will be able to find acts of repentance commensurate with their wrongdoing committed against children. If so then Public Reproof will help the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses to know the Governing Body has become truly repentant humble men and will act in the best interests of Jehovah's Witness children. On the other hand if proper works of commensurate repentance cannot be found or if they try to minimize the wrong, the Governing Body should be disfellowshipped and not reinstated until they take responsibility for their actions. --- The date has been set months in advance to give the Governing Body time to make appropriate arrangements to be present as well as prepare for their defense and also to give the witnesses against them sufficient time to make travel arrangements. --- It is my optimism the Governing Body much like the Apostle Peter, will humbly address these matters in the best interests of the entire organization so as to bring God's blessing and holy spirit in full flow upon his people. I offer you ten days from the date of this letter to respond in a timely manner, along with this letter goes my warm Christian love. --- Very truly yours, William H. Bowen on behalf of Silentlambs, inc. PO Box 311 Calvert City, KY 42029 --- cc. Governing Body

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Bill and The Silentlambs: I am unable to go to Brooklyn, but would like to send "my lambs" for each child that I know of that was effected by the secrets, lies and abandonment to what is decent. Where can I send them? It would be wonderful to make a lamb for each child we know of - whether we go or not; not too unlike the memorial for the Vietnam Vets. I would like to see the steps full of these lambs representing each and every child that was touched in a wrong way. Let us know if those of us who cannot go can send our "lambs" without us. Thank you, Claudine

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To Someone in Texas (from someone else in Texas!): The new book replaces United in Worship of the Only True God, which was released in 1983.

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Greetings Lambs/Ladies/Gents ... thought you would find comfort from this "unofficial poll" taken by an elder from 10 members of his own cong re: the Dateline show. This is "legit info" from a reputable source, i.e., from the friend of this elder, and I was given "permission" to post it to the SL Guestbook. Love, SLC --- Date: 7 Jul 2002 06:22:42 -0000 Subject: An informal poll --- I received this email from a former elder and friend who is still associated with Jehovah's Witnesses. He took this small poll after the Dateline airing from individuals within his congregation. He gave the OK to post his results here. --- : Witness response to pedophilia issue --- Dear xxxxx: --- It was great seeing you at xxxxxxxxx . My family all commented very favorably on meeting you. Here is some information on the informal and tiny poll of Witness reactions to the airing of the pedophilia situation in the organization. In total, I had reports from about ten witnesses (mostly sisters) who commented about the problem immediately after it aired, in private discussions, and only one blamed the apostates and only one blamed the local bodies of elders - the rest of the Witnesses felt the problem was due to the society and felt that the policy must change. --- There was virtually no expression that the whole thing was a media ploy to cast the Witnesses in a bad light. I do not have any feedback on how this has affected field service nor any information on how the public is responding to Witnesses in the door to door ministry. The responses included: One sister, with over forty years as an active witness said: "I was sick all night, the policy must be changed, I can't go out in service this morning." --- Another sister, a pioneer, was stunned by the revelation of this problem. She could not believe it how the society could allow such a thing. --- Still another sister, raised in the truth commented that the problem is due to the local bodies of elders, not the society. --- Another sister, who has been around the truth all of her life but is not very active, initially blamed the apostates. She later conceded that something must be done to correct it. (The pedophilia problem.) --- A brother, raised in the truth (and the father of a 4 year old daughter) but inactive and not a strong witness, thought the media overplayed the issue but thought that it is a serious problem. --- A sister who has been a Witness for more than 40 years thought the program was objective and concluded that the societies policy must change. --- An elder, who has served many years, feared that thousands more will be coming out of the woodwork. He thinks it is a serious problem.

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I thought everyone would find this very interesting ... a thread from one of the JW forums regarding the "scream/don't scream" issue. Love/SLC --- New Message on Just JW,s <http://groups.msn.com/JustJWs> --- SCREAM DON'T SCREAM ? --- JW women have a greater need than JW men to stay ever vigilant and attentive of the Watchtower's back and forth rules and regulations which they have the nerve to teach is "new light" from God. Why is this? If a JW woman is raped, she may actually face disfellowshipping from the body of elders who will interrogate her soon after the crime has occurred and will listen with the utmost attention to every little detail. Depending on the "new light" from the Governing Body, if she doesn't scream during a rape, she will be charged by the Elders as an adulteress ... someone who may have actually 'enjoyed' the violent act because of her silence. Yet, this rule has changed back and forth several times. In effect, if a JW woman was raped in 1964 and she didn't scream, she would be disfellowshipped. If another JW woman was raped in 1969 and she didn't scream, she would NOT be disfellowshipped. Therefore, if a JW woman does not want to be branded an adulteress and taken away from her loved ones by the hate crime of disfellowshipping, she had better pay particular close attention to the latest vacillating "NEW LIGHT" from the Governing Body. --- Take a look for yourself at the following list of insane "new light" vacillation. It's enough to make you want to ... --- No. If you don't scream you won't be disfellowshipped. --- Prior to January 15, 1964 <BLINK>YES!</BLINK> SCREAM OR BE DISFELLOWSHIPPED!! --- Watchtower, January 15, 1964, p. 63 No. If you don't scream you won't be disfellowshipped. --- Aid to Bible Understanding, 1969, pp. 601, 1371 <BLINK>YES!</BLINK> SCREAM OR BE DISFELLOWSHIPPED!! --- Awake!, March 8, 1974, p. 14 No. If you don't scream you won't be disfellowshipped. --- Awake, July 8, 1980, pp. 5-6 <BLINK>YES!</BLINK> SCREAM OR BE DISFELLOWSHIPPED!! --- Watchtower, October 15, 1980, p. 7 No. If you don't scream you won't be disfellowshipped. --- Watchtower, March 15, 1983, p. 30 <BLINK>YES!</BLINK> SCREAM OR BE DISFELLOWSHIPPED!! --- Awake!, February 22, 1984 No. If you don't scream you won't be disfellowshipped. --- Awake!, June 8, 1984 (just 3 months later!!!!) <BLINK>YES!</BLINK> SCREAM OR BE DISFELLOWSHIPPED!! --- Awake!, May 22, 1986, p. 23 No. If you don't scream you won't be disfellowshipped. --- Awake!, September 22, 1986, p. 28 <BLINK>YES!</BLINK> SCREAM OR BE DISFELLOWSHIPPED!! --- (Doctrine not yet in force ...pending flickering<BLINK> new light</BLINK> from the "holy spirit"). --- THEN ANOTHER PERSON REPLIED: Hello *** --- I read with interest your post about the vacillating policy about rape. I don't agree that a group of men should interrogate a woman who has been subjected to what must surely be the greatest violation of a person's body in an effort to determine if she might somehow be guilty of fornication. I am grateful that I never had to deal with this during the years I served as an elder. --- I carefully checked your references and I could not find anything stating the society's policy on those two pages of the Aid book that you posted. The rest check out but I must point out that g74 3/8 article is not really stating a policy as much as what the young sister assumed to be the policy at the time. Granted the article should have clarified that point, one way or the other. --- You also stated that the Awake, July 8, 1980, pp. 5-6 promoted the view that if you don't scream you won't be DF'd. I didn't see that. Could you please furnish me with the specific wording that you are referencing? I noticed that the article encouraged fighting back rather than submitting. --- Now the w80 10/15 p.7 article makes no bones about it at all and states that a woman must resist or be considered as engaging in fornication. It even references the March 74 Awake you referenced earlier to commend that young sister for doing what she did. --- Also concerning the article in the w83 3/15, I could not find anything there. As a matter of fact the word rape‚ does not occur in that portion of the article which you reference. In the next reference g84 2/22 p. 24 (you forgot to list the page number. (smile)) the article plainly states that "a Christian is obligated to resist." Now the g84 6/8 issue (from the feature: "From Our Readers") is very interesting. A small sampling of the letters the Society received from readers disturbed about this ridiculous rule on rape evidently made them think twice about the matter. By the 80's the Society was beginning to be a little conscious about their public image. (Now there is a public relations department! Who would have thought that twenty years ago?!) It's evident that they received a lot of mail denouncing that archaic and barbarous rule about screaming. However, if you note carefully the editor's reply you will see that this is one of those transitional‚ rulings that is setting up what is to come later. --- Note the reply: ** For the victim to be considered guilty of fornication there would need to be proof of willing consent. Apparently the requirement of Deuteronomy 22:25-27 for the woman to resist by screaming would clear her from any suspicion of such consent on her part. The value of resisting was emphasized by University of Illinois sociologist Pauline Bart who made a study of women who foiled rapes. In her studies, as reported in "The Edmonton Journal" of Canada (November 10, 1983), she states: "By fighting back, a woman significantly increases her chance of avoiding rape ... Not resisting is no guarantee of humane treatment." She further stated: "Raped women who used physical strategies were less likely to be depressed than raped women who did not physically resist their assailants." As to showing respect for the potential rapist, it is not that he deserves it, but treating him civilly might help to elicit a considerate response and serve as a means for the potential victim to get out of a very dangerous situation.˜ED.** --- They don't come right out and say that the woman WILL be DF'd for not screaming but they do say that if she DOES scream then that would be proof of resistance. The rest about the actual wisdom of resisting is, of course, just fluff that is used to soften the impact of the rule. That particular article did NOT reverse the "scream or you‚re out" rule but rather marked a period where this was apparently be debated by the GB. The article you next reference in the g86 5/22 p.23 is apparently an affirmation of their rule. They must have reached a decision by that time and decided that keeping the scream rule‚ was to their advantage for the time being. Either that or some ambitious writer decided that this would make good copy. --- The next article (9/22/86 p.28) does not remove the rule but rather serves to show just how much of a problem this rule had become. The Society likes to reference itself whenever it can as an effort to show how consistent it is. It's not but that's the ploy nonetheless. Note this statement in that article: "True, the woman has to respond according to her assessment of the danger to her life, and we believe that is covered in the advice given in the box on page 23 (May 22, 1986)." Well, the truth of the matter is that it was NOT covered in that article but rather muddied up. This prompts elders to call headquarters when those cases come up and then Brooklyn will instruct them verbally on the matter. This is standard procedure when policy is being reviewed and the GB have not made up their minds on the matter yet meaning someone is dissenting and/or questioning the rule. --- The g93 3/8 in the article: "The Reality Of Rape" gives us the result of all that deliberation by the GB. Here is an excerpt: --- ** Myth: A rape victim bears part of the blame unless she actively resists. --- Fact: Rape by definition takes place when force or the threat of force is used to gain sexual penetration, of any kind whatsoever, against a person's will. It is the rapist's use of force against an unwilling victim that makes him a rapist. Thus, a rape victim is not guilty of fornication. Like an incest victim, she may be forced to submit to an act she doesn't want because of the perceived power held over her by another person. When a woman is forced to submit to a rapist out of terror or disorientation, it does not mean that she consents to the act. Consent is based on choice without threat and is active, not passive.** --- It seems that after all that time they finally decided that it was possible for a woman to be raped and not be guilty of fornication for not risking her life in an effort to resist. All that former high-powered, lofty scriptural reasoning went out of the door with that article. Of course you must understand that if any woman had been DF'd, say the week before for not screaming, she would still be DF'd until she came forward and said she was sorry for breaking the rule that not longer existed. That's the way it works. --- Later on this article appeared which at the very least suggests that the no scream‚ rule is still in place: w95 4/1 20 Incite to Love And Fine Works-How? "So today, if a sister has been attacked and raped and this has caused her to feel dirty and worthless, would it be appropriate to stress her need of the ransom to cleanse her of that sin? Certainly not. She did not sin in being assaulted. It is the rapist who sinned and needs to be cleansed. However, the love shown by Jehovah and Christ in providing the ransom may be used as evidence that she has not been defiled in God's eyes by someone else's sin but that she is precious to Jehovah and remains in his love.˜Compare Mark 7:18-23; 1 John 4:16." --- As of now, the no scream‚ rule is still in effect. However note this article in the more recent w98 12/15 p. 25 and tell me if this doesn't make your skin crawl as you anticipate a possible switch once more! ˆ --- ** There are, of course, limits to cooperation. Jehovah's servants do not cooperate in any way that violates God's law. For example, a Christian would not willingly submit to rape.** --- My question is: When is willful submission rape? Does not the very term itself scream out that it is not done with the victim's permission? --- END OF QUOTED POSTS from JustJws.

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Did I read on here in an earlier post that someone asked about the new book release missing some chapters? -- Well, if I did read that here, I saw this comment at another forum tonight. Someone wrote: "It seems that the new United In Worship book is missing three important chapters that were in the previous book: The chapter on blood; The chapter on identifying the 144,000; and one more, but I can't remember what it is. These were all very important chapters dealing with key doctrinal issues. Why do you think they were eliminated?" --- END OF QUOTED POST. Love/SLC

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You guys will love this/SLC. --- "If you find a lie, forsake it regardless of who teaches it; it is your duty to God." (RICHES, p.178) --- "If you have been in an organization that teaches things contrary to God's Word, forsake it." (RICHES, p.179) --- RICHES, written by J. F. Rutherford 1936. --- (I also saw some refer to JFR as "Rutherfraud." LOL! The comical word-play of some of the "JW-dissidents" is hysterically funny. /SLC)

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HI, I have found a translation of the bible that I think may be a 'good thing'. I few weeks ago a man came up to me and asked me "May I show you just one small difference in the bibles printed today?" He proceeded to show me how Matthew 24:36 reads But as to that day and that hour, no one knows, neither the angels of Heaven, except My Father only. (Notice is says day and hour)further down in Matthew 24:42 Watch, then, for you do not know in what hour your Lord comes. (Notice it says you do not know in what hour) MOST BIBLES HAVE REPLACED THIS HOUR FOR DAY changing the verse to 'you do not know in what day your Lord comes. He explained in detail why this is an important change. I know that later in Matthew it says day nor hour BUT WHY CHANGE Matthew 24:32? just one word difference, why? This man who I did not know said to me that it is the evil one doing it to confuse the children. It may not be important to anyone but It may be. This following link, I found a bible that can be read online or even downloaded that seems 'a good thing' I honestly haven't read it through, I just thought those interested in a translation that may be a 'good thing' might want to check it out. www.litvonline.com If not, sorry to have bothered you all! BLM

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RE:the poll:::::::::I just got 8/15/02 Watchtower. It has "To Whom Should You Be Loyal?" on the cover, and some of the inside articles it has are "A World With Distorted Views on Loyalty",,,,,"To Whom Should You Be Loyal?",,,,,,,,,,"I Set The Pattern For You ( with partially quoted Heb.5:12)",,,,,,,,,,,"Follow Me Continually",,,,,,,,"How Can Thinking Ability Safeguard You?",,,,,,,,,,,"Would You Maintain Your Integrity?".::::::::::::::::::Something tells me that many JWs might be refusing to follow them blindly. It's a different time and generation than 1975, you know ...Age00

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To Someone in TX regarding the separating work after WWI:::::::::::::::I read an article that was similar to that. It was not too long ago. I can't remember the exact title, but it was talking about heavenly calling vs. earthly calling. I think the article said that the earthly calling (the great crowd) began after 1918. So I asked a brother who was a former elder and a faithful JW for many decades ( I was pre-studying the article with his family), "if I was a JW back in 1917, would I have a heavenly calling or at least have a better chance to be in heaven?" He said that the article meant "more concentration on the great crowd." ...Hmm ...I'd better look at it again because I'm sure that it didn't say either "emphasizing" or "concentrating" on the great crowd, the earthly calling ...Age00

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It seems that the lambs are roaring right along. I hope to make it to N.Y. in September. I don't get out of Tampa too often. Bill's letter to the GB was profound!!! Breathtaking!!! ** Both Claudine and BJC e-mailed me to tell me that Newsweek July 8 had published my comment. I bought it yesterday and sure enough there I was on page 16 with my foot in my mouth. They edited my comment and changed it somewhat. I have never referred to a JW as being a member. But the general idea was the same. ** I showed a co-worker the article because I was disturbed. I shared some of the conflict that has been going on inside of me since the Dateline piece aired. His solution was for the Silentlambs group to form a new church and leave the old one alone. ** But it isn't about that. It is about the children and battered women still within the organization. It is about the thousands who have been damaged and cry out for justice. ** Pressure must continue on the WTS until they listen and relent. If I have to suffer the wrath of my local elders for speaking out and voicing my opinion then so be it. I may become DF'd but as a sister said to me in an e-mail,-- Even if this is not a battle we can win; we can choose the battlefield we die on. I choose this battlefield and I choose to fight with honor for the sake of the children. I was unable to stand up for myself and my children twenty years ago. Today I can stand and fight for others in similar situations today. They don't have to be alone anymore. Love ya'll Loris

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Hi my name is "manirus". I am a 35 year old male who from NS Canada who suffered from sexual and various other forms of ritual abuse. Because of this I have DID or as formerly known Multiple Personality Disorder. I was not abuse at the hands of JW's, however, when I went to a body of elders for support and shepherding they attempted to disfellowship me as one they felt was demonized. Strange part is they had never seen me do anything that would be considered strange ... I guess my point is when you go and expose the shameful things that have been done to you ... you need support and understanding ... you need a willingness on the elders part to educate themselves about your situation. Now in my case there was no one accused who was a JW but knowing how they reacted to the knowledge of my condition I know they would have covered it up had there been someone accused of such. I was expendable because they thought that I was too time consuming. I had to move away from that congregation but when I tried to get the Society to deal with the elder for slander and gossip and abuse of power ... it was covered up and swept under the carpet. I even had 6 or more witnesses to the slander and such but still nothing was done. They were more concerned about congregation Public Relations than the truth. I now am in an other congregation but things are not much different with these new elders as they do not like to shepherd ... I am basically now just keeping to myself ... very rarely go to the hall. I applaud the efforts that this site is making in exposing such abuse of power and corruption on the part of brothers who do not do things properly. Any comments can be sent to manirus@hotmail.com. thanks Manirus (Many R Us) :)

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Back at you in Texas, thanks for telling me about the "Worship the Only True God" being replaced by "United in Worship of the Only True God". Goodness, I should have figured that one out on my own. DUH, on my part! Someone mentioned that there are three chapters that the new book doesn't have, they are right! Three chapters that are NOT in the new "Worship the Only True God" but IS in the "United in Worship of the Only True God" is as follows ...Chapter 14..I Make a Covenant With You for a Kingdom. Chapter 19..What the Mosaic Law Means to You. Chapter 20..Life and Blood-Do you Treat Them as Sacred? It's interesting to see that both books have the same number of pages. So my question would be this, is the same information in the new book as the old book, but just scrambled? I can't imagine THOSE topics not being in a "Study Book". I'll have to read to find out. Someone mentioned awhile back about the Watchtower and Awake magazines not being able to get them as a subscription. That simply isn't true, I receive ours in the mail. Bill, I hope the peaceful march in New York, is a huge success! Keep us informed! Someone in Texas

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Hey Jessika. You go girl! If there was anyone to represent the silentlambs other than Bill, you would be the one I am proud that you did. Hey is there an address to write to Oprah and such. I would like to write and give support. To Linda!! Happy Birthday !! It's great being able to celebrate your birthday again ain't it!! So Once again Happy Birthday or as I usually say Happy New Year because you're birthday is a new year at least in my opinion. Take care mslaydj aka Jean D. Jones

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Thank you Jean for the birthday wish! It was a wonderful birthday this year! Of course, they all seem to be coming faster and faster every year! LOL About the new book that's come out with missing chapters ...I've read somewhere that there is a good possibility that the Society is planning a new release on Blood, I just wish I could remember where I read that. I look up information on so many sites, I have forgotten where I saw it. Anyway ...I can't help but wonder what the fallout would be when witnesses who've refused blood for their children or themselves suddenly start being told the "new understanding" is that it's all a matter of conscience! I vaguely recall hearing that a few years ago an "adjustment" was done regarding the Blood issue, and that the Society only put a very small and brief comment in the Questions From Readers thingy ...very sneaky I say. Like, who really reads that? LOL Not me, not me!!! LOL I find it rather telling that a book is released that is obviously REPLACING another book, and ...there are chapters missing ...hmm. Funny how the Insight Book replaced the Aid Book too, huh? Linda Thoman Linthoman0705@aol.com

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I agree with the comment to 'start a new religion' and go from there ...give the current lambs something to run TO when they can't get anything out of the WTS ...The WTS may implode anyway. Lord knows, they deserve to ...'If you always do what you always did, you'll always get what you always got'. A big sign of a lack of emotional intelligence is to keep trying the same thing, over and over and over, even when you can SEE that it just ain't workin'. Sometimes you just gotta strike a new path. God bless Bill and all the lambs.

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One big, big problem I have ...social workers and others in their field have known FOR YEARS that Jehovah's Witnesses had a BIG problem with child abuse and sexual abuse ...When asked recently, 'how could they let this go on?', the response was, 'You just can't interfere with someone's religion. People have religious freedom in this country and the freedom to raise their kids any way they want to.' ...No, they don't. There are laws to protect against some crimes against children. There ought to be laws to protect against the rest. Shame on the decades of social workers and others who have kept quiet on this topic. I'd like to know what their response is. Why? I'd like them to tell me why.

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I don't know about the idea or suggestion to start another religion ...gosh, don't we have enough already? I personally don't feel any desire to be a part of any particular denomination. I don't feel the need to regularly attend a religious facility of any kind. I've come to the point where I don't believe that any religion has all the right answers. I will never again put my trust in what I'm told is the Truth from the Bible. Everyone has so many various interpretations about every single subject/doctrine that I get myself dizzy thinking about it! I have lived my life as a good person, and doing good things for others as I can, and pretty much follow Do Unto Others As You'd Have Done To You. Linda Thoman

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In the North West Derek Hatton does a daily lunchtime phone in on Century FM radio - a few months ago he covered the Catholic church cover-up. How about people in the NW email him suggesting he watch Panorama and consider doing a phone in. http://www.1054centuryfm.com/webClient?guid=2716&site=century105&rs=&action=search Also how about people in other areas if you have a radio station that does phone in email them. >>>I found this on another site, and thought it was a great idea!>>> Linda Thoman

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" You Might Be A JW If" --- Click this link for some really good ones! Linda Thoman http://www.serve.com/larryi/mightbe.html

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USATODAY.com - States add clergy to sex-abuse laws States add clergy to sex-abuse laws By Fred Bayles, USA TODAY A growing number of state legislatures are responding to the sexual abuse scandal in the Catholic Church by changing laws to make it a crime when church officials don't report allegations of sexual abuse of minors. Since January, four states - Massachusetts, Illinois, Missouri and Colorado - have passed laws that add clergy to the list of professions specifically required to report abuse to law enforcement authorities. Eleven others already had listed clergy, while 18 had required everyone to report sexual abuse. Bills are moving forward in several states, and more legislatures are expected to take up the subject when they convene this fall or next year. "The scandal is so far-reaching it was important to make a stand," says state Rep. Rosemary Mulligan, a sponsor of Illinois' new legislation. "We have to put in safeguards for the welfare of children." All states have some form of mandatory reporting laws for hospital workers, teachers and other professionals who come in contact with children. Often they were established to provide a broad web of surveillance designed to spot signs of abuse. The new laws are more a response to accusations that Catholic Church officials across the nation have covered up abuse by priests. An estimated 250 priests nationwide have resigned or been suspended since January, when the conviction of a notorious pedophile priest in Boston drew national attention. Many states with reporting laws offer some form of exemption for clergy. Catholic priests are prohibited by church law from revealing information learned in confessions, and other clergy often have confidentiality rules for pastoral counseling. Much of the new legislation has faced little opposition. The Massachusetts bill passed in April after Boston's Cardinal Bernard Law said the Church would drop its long-standing opposition. Law is a defendant in a number of lawsuits that accuse him of covering up or ignoring sexual abuse of minors by several priests over many years. But there has been opposition by clergy in Connecticut and Minnesota, who say the laws could infringe on religious freedoms. John Garvey, dean of the Boston College Law School, says the legislative efforts are understandable given public concern over the issue. "The issue has shown we need more reporting and enforcement," he says

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QUOTED FROM ANOTHER SOURCE -- Merely FYI -- Top WTS Leader in Japan DF'd --- Hi, friends: Thought you might be interested: I have it on reliable source that one of the founding JWs in Japan, who has been serving as a branch coordinator, was recently disfellowshipped. According to the sources, Toshio Honma is a top-ranking JW at the Japanese branch. He may be highest ranking JW who has ever been disfellowshipped in Japan, except for Junzo Akashi who was DF'ed shortly after the World War II ended. We're trying to find out the reason for his DFing. It is noteworthy because Japan has been one of the WTS's stronghold's in the world in recent years. Numbers were soaring in Japan (and Russia) while they were dwindling elsewhere in the world. The question now is, will this former high-ranking JW speak out in Japan as Ray Franz did here and abroad? Quote from the 1998 Yearbook with reference to Toshio Honma's WT organization servitude in Japan: ========================== *** yb98 112-3 Japan *** Native Brothers Take Heavier Responsibility In April 1975, Lloyd Barry, who had been the branch overseer since 1952, left Japan to serve as a member of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. He had zealously shared in the work during the time that the theocratic organization grew from 8 publishers in 1949 to over 30,000 zealous Kingdom proclaimers. At his departure the oversight of the branch was entrusted to Toshio Honma, a native Japanese brother who was then serving as the factory overseer. Regarding Brother Honma's abilities, his assistant in the factory said: "Toshio wasn't one to sit back and wait for someone to tell him what to do every step along the way. You could give him a job and tell him, 'This is the direction we're going,' and then he could take the ball and run. He was a good organizer and got people motivated." Another organizational change took place in February 1976. In unison with all the other branches throughout the world, the branch oversight in Japan was put under a committee of brothers rather than under a single branch overseer. The five initially appointed were Toshio Honma, the coordinator, Masataro Oda, Shigeo Ikehata, Kiichiro Tanaka, and James Mantz. This new arrangement was readily accepted by the Japanese brothers, as they were very familiar with the concept of group approach and consensus seeking in the decision-making process. One of the committee members later observed: "With the Branch Committee arrangement, the brothers look to a group of mature brothers as the representatives of the organization. This has the effect of directing the brothers' attention to God's organization rather than to an individual." When a weighty decision must be made, this arrangement provides a group of spiritual men with varied backgrounds and abilities to consider it and to seek the direction of the holy spirit and of God's Word. In January 1983, Masataro Oda, who had served at Bethel since February 1960, became the coordinator. He replaced Brother Honma, who by this time had a two-year-old son to provide for. Others who have since served on the Branch Committee for varying periods of time include Ryosuke Fujimoto, Percy Iszlaub, Isamu Sugiura, Yoshihiro Nagasaki, Makoto Nakajima, Kenji Mimura, and Richard Bailey. Currently seven brothers serve on the Branch Committee. As the work has expanded, each of these brothers has humbly contributed his talents to the advancement of the interests of God's Kingdom in this part of the world field. ================================ End Yearbook quote. --- And another person replied to the above post as follows: Dear xxx, This is huge! I personally know Toshio Homna as he and I organized a xxx in Japan five years ago. In fact, it was that xxx which led to my official Disfellowshipment. The "brother" with whom I had an agreement for x amount of dollars for five xxxx in Japan robbed me out of my money when it was pay time. Mr. Homna was totally honest and upright in the entire debacle and even took money out of is own pocket to reimburse me some funds. I was contracted the year after directly by Mr. Homna for a xxx, but had to pull out a week before my plane left for Japan due to my having been disfellowshipped. I wrote Mr. Homna and told him I would not insist on his respecting the contract and simply left off amicably - something which he appreciated immensely. He is a dear man to whom I mailed many letters and even a transcript of my judicial hearings. I'm overjoyed by this news. Do you know how I can contact him? Cordially, xxxx END OF QUOTED POSTS.

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Follow-Up to the Japan Post, this justin by the second poster, merely for clarification on his/her last comments at the end: QUOTE: "So as not to be misunderstood; I'm overjoyed if Mr. Homna's Disfellowshipment is a result of his discovering the fallacious claims and teachings of the organization. His being disfellowshipped in and of itself does not provoke any felicity in me whatsoever. I know that his life will change significantly as he was a highly venerated figure in Japan and no doubt will be ostracized. I'm sure you understood my words in that manner, I just thought I should clarify for the other(s). When I re-read my post, it did seem worded in a way that could mislead. Cordially, xxxx --- END QUOTE.

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My deepest respect and christian love goes out to you. Jehovah is using you to clean up this organization! My husband and I are still JW's (well let's just say we are not DF but refuse to attend because of all the injustices we have witnessed, we are labeled inactive) not just toward our family but of course to Jehovah God. I just called my husband on his mobile to tell him about the Sept. March on the WT. We are so excited! We are going to try to be there. My husband has wanted to March on the local KH because of some pedophile activity that was not handled. It's clean up time and Jehovah is on our side. Woe to the Scribes & Pharisees!! Thank you for having such great love for your brothers and sisters and, of course, our innocent children!

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Greetings to ManiRus (good name!) Thank you for sharing your story. So sorry to hear of your experiences, and I definitely believe you, and I would probably end up doing as you describe (keeping it to yourself), though it should NOT have to be that way. People are still way too ignorant about these things. Jehovah loves you and knows your suffering and how his so-called shepherds have not cared for you tenderly. --- In Bill Bowen's email about the MARCH in September (above), you see he is asking for EYE WITNESSES of such experiences as yours to go to NY for the march. It's too bad more persons who have experienced or know of actual incidents cannot all go to NY. --- Hang in there ManiRus and keep in touch. Love/SLC

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Tim The Tool Man in Michigan - funny. Always appreciate the humor. ;)

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Thanks to everybody for the info on the new book. Please keep us informed! -- To Texas: As for the subscriptions by mail: In my situation, it is a FACT that my mags for several months came with Red Lettering on the white covers stating that when my 1-year subs expired, I would no longer be able to get them via mail. My subs expired in June, and therefore, no more mags have been forthcoming via mail. The Red Lettering/Message on the covers for several months stated that once my subs expired, I would have to get the mags from a K.Hall. Therefore, either your sub has not yet expired; or they are not allowing DF'd persons (like me) to get the mags via sub/mail any longer. --- Agree with Jesika's comment that Bill's letter to the GB was profound to say the least! I bet the GB is already expecting that the ground will open up in front of 25 Columbia Heights and swallow up all the lambs on 9/27 (and/or fire will rain down from heaven and wipe them out - a.k.a Korah, etc.). --- Thanks to (? I forget) who told us what the latest 8/15/02 WT is all about (Loyalty, etc.). Good Timing via Holy Spirit or A Mad Dash by the Writing Dept. after Dateline/Newsweek??? ;) (Seems I used to hear in my JW-days that the mags are printed so far in advance, that if they appeared "timely" that that was an obvious manifestation of Jah's spirit on whatever subject matter-???) --- Oh, just a thought: I notice some people are writing notes to Bill Bowen via this Guestbook. Now, I have no idea how often he actually has time to read the Guestbook, but I would think if you want/need to get a message to him or ask specific questions about the March, or make requests, etc., you should email him directly (via the Email Button on the Home Page). --- Sorry I was out of commission for awhile and missed replying to specific posts. Always thinking of everyone even when not online. Blessings to all. Love/SLC

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I am so overwhelmed by this website I can scarcely believe what I have read so far. But as we all have been witness to by TV and News accounts the Catholic Church was recently accused and admitted under fire that it's Priests had been quietly sequestered away in some small diocese either out here in New Mexico, or back east in seclusion and still allowed contact with minors. Now the very same sick attitude has been discovered within the Jehovah's Witness Congregations. My Lord in Heaven what is happening to this world? Thank you so much for bringing this to our attention as well as 100's of thousands of other "trusting" Christians ...Is this the beginning of the Tribulation described in Revelation? I would not be supervised as first there must be a " Great Falling away"! In Jesus Name, Mike and Sharon Simpson

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THE GARBAGE MAN COMETH ... --- JC wrote: "I am a little tired of hearing brothers saying "Leave it to Jehovah!!" I don't recall this frais (phrase) being made by the early Christians!!" --- REPLY: Hi JC! The Witnesses are probably thinking of scriptures like Ps. 37:7, where it says to "Keep silent before Jehovah, and WAIT longingly for him." However, I believe, from the entire chapter, that it pertains to waiting for God's final judgment over the entire earth. I doubt seriously Jehovah would be looking down from heaven, watching a child being brutally raped, and thinking to himself, "Child, KEEP SILENT BEFORE ME while you are BEING RAPED. WAIT LONGINGLY FOR ME until the New Earth, and KEEP SILENT until then." --- If we were to apply Ps. 37:7 (wait for Jehovah) to instances where we see "our neighbor" being tormented, how would that be "loving your neighbor as yourself"? It wouldn't. It would be more like all of us, sitting in our homes with our trash cans overflowing, and REFUSING TO TAKE OUT THE GARBAGE, but instead, we sit back in our Lazy Boy and defiantly say, "I'm NOT budging from my chair to take out the trash. I'll WAIT until the garbage collector COMES IN MY HOUSE HIMSELF to get my garbage." --- So I sat and sat decade after decade, one trash can full, then two, then three, etc., and the smelly trash and garbage was piled all the way to the ceiling, and the smell was horrendous. Finally my neighbors complained about my stinking garbage to Channel 2, and they, in turn, told the "superior authorities," The County HEALTH Dept., because my garbage was smelling up the ENTIRE neighborhood. The STENCH was more than anyone could bear any longer. (Me, well, I just wore a GAS-MASK in MY house ALL the time so I would be able to endure it, even though it WAS very UNpleasant, and I sometimes felt I SHOULD take out my garbage, but aren't we SUPPOSED to "hide" our garbage from the neighbors when it gets this bad?) --- So then the HEALTH Dept. shows up and CONDEMNS my ENTIRE HOUSE, and they HAUL OUT my Garbage RIGHT IN FRONT of ALL the neighbors, with Channel 2 recording the entire event! HOW EMBARRASSING! Why is this happening to me, I wondered? Surely, the DEVIL IS PERSECUTING ME! So I raised cain and cursed all my neighbors and Channel 2 as LIARS telling them there really was NO garbage in my house! But it was too late. By that time NOBODY would believe my house was NOT full of garbage because the EVIDENCE was TOO GREAT. --- Previously, when my neighbors had lovingly asked if I would like them to wash me down with the hose to get the STENCH off me, I refused (pride, you know). So I was thereafter forcefully taken away and washed down by the superior authorities, and my house was condemned. And all of this shame and humiliation came about due to my not wanting to take out the trash a long long time ago, because I expected the Garbage Man would come in and get it himself. --- /SLC

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I am so overwhelmed by this website I can scarcely believe what I have read so far. But as we all have been witness to by TV and News accounts the Catholic Church was recently accused and admitted under fire that it's Priests had been quietly sequestered away in some small diocese either out here in New Mexico, or back east in seclusion and still allowed contact with minors. Now the very same sick attitude has been discovered within the Jehovah's Witness Congregations. My Lord in Heaven what is happening to this world? Thank you so much for bringing this to our attention as well as 100's of thousands of other "trusting" Christians ...Is this the beginning of the Tribulation described in Revelation? I would not be supervised as first there must be a " Great Falling away"! In Jesus Name, Mike and Sharon Simpson

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I am so overwhelmed by this website I can scarcely believe what I have read so far. But as we all have been witness to by TV and News accounts the Catholic Church was recently accused and admitted under fire that it's Priests had been quietly sequestered away in some small diocese either out here in New Mexico, or back east in seclusion and still allowed contact with minors. Now the very same sick attitude has been discovered within the Jehovah's Witness Congregations. My Lord in Heaven what is happening to this world? Thank you so much for bringing this to our attention as well as 100's of thousands of other "trusting" Christians ...Is this the beginning of the Tribulation described in Revelation? I would not be surprised as first there must be a " Great Falling away"! In Jesus Name, Mike and Sharon Simpson

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THIS is just one of MANY experiences which belong in the "RIPLEY'S BELIEVE IT OR NOT MUSEUM": Cynthia had written: "I did spend two years married to a JW who used to batter and beat me. The elders never did speak to him about it because since beating your wife was not a DFing offense, they could not get involved." --- Dear Cyn: So Sorry! The "believe or not part" is NOT what happened to you at the hands of your ex-husband, but the LACK OF ACTION and IRRATIONAL THINKING by the elders. I hope you are much better now. Love/SLC

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HI EMMA! CONGRATULATIONS on your COURAGE on CONFRONTING YOUR ABUSER and taking him (your father) to court! Thank you for adding your story to the mountain of evidence. Each and every single victim/survivor story is precious to us. I'm so happy to hear he has to do prison time -- but it should be 27 years instead of 4! Take care of yourself and come back often, if you like. Love/SLC --- Emma had written: "My name is Emma and i went through exactly the same thing. I took my father to court July 2001 and he was sentenced to 4 Yrs imprisonment. The elders in our local congregation tried to cover it up and it took until i was 27 to build up the courage to go to the police. I watched the program and sobbed all the way through. How dare we have our freedom of speech taken away from us. I left the religion at 16 yrs old and have never looked back ..."

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VOTED BEST COMBINATION HUMOR-&-WISE-COUNSEL for the day: "Before you get on your high horse take a good look and make sure you are not riding on an ass." --- Thanks Loris for that one! ;) /SLC

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Linda wrote: "Drumroll please ..." --- LOL! /SLC

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Brother Joe Anderson's letter to the Society was EXCELLENT! Three cheers for Bro. Anderson (who is Barbara Anderson's husband). /SLC

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Someone asked: "One other question, I hear a lot of "they need to revamp their position on how they handle pedophiles", but I have not seen one suggestion that would protect the innocent as well as judge the guilty, what's your suggestion?" --- ANSWER: DNA. /SLC

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SM: I was saddened to hear about your brother with epilepsy who is forgotten by his "friends" in the congregation. --- "We EXHORT YOU, brothers ... SUPPORT THE WEAK ..." [1 Th.5:14] --- Of course, most JWs would take that to mean only help "spiritually weak" persons to go out in field service. I can say that because I used to be a JW who thought the same way. There was so much pressure to get in "time," that with work and meetings and service, who had time or energy left for caring for the PHYSICAL NEEDS of the weak? (It's no excuse, just shows the unbalanced thinking.) Please give greetings to your brother from all the Silent Lambs. Agape/SLC

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gaadzooks@hotmail.com asked if anybody had details about the UK letter read to the congs on 7/14/02. Dear gaadzooks (cool name): I know that letter is posted somewhere at the Jehovahs-Witnesses.com forums. Go to that site, and use their search feature. Type in "UK" and "Letter" and you will be able to find it, I'm SURE because I saw it, I just don't have the direct link for it. Love/SLC

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TO webmaster@antijehovahswitness.com --- Thanks for that "new light" link to JW-media.org about the WTS's UK "New, Improved, 100% Guaranteed to Get The Dirt Out" advice on reporting abuse to the authorities. Well, Better Late Than Never, eh? However, my question would be: WHAT DATE did they put that on their website? I wonder if it was the SAME DAY the UK Parliament was ASKED TO INVESTIGATE the WTBTS for covering up sex crimes? (The Parliament info is posted further up in this Guestbook, two or three days ago I think). /SLC

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Hi Barb at bnaftis@cs.com: I REALLY LIKED your stuffed lambs with mouths-sewn-shut idea. That is excellent! We need to find a company that MAKES stuffed animals (lambs) and ask them to DONATE a bunch of them. (I'm thinking Oprah again ... whatever she asks for, she gets from the retail world!) ;) A simple search on the net for "stuffed animals - lambs" might do the trick to get a source. Then a letter to the president of the company. We never know unless we ask, eh? --- Yes, you were brainstorming good there. Keep the ideas coming! Love/SLC

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PS to the above comment to Barb and others: What about little lapel pins of little lambs, and also bumper stickers for silentlambs.org? I bet if businesses knew about this cause, they would donate. What do you ladies think? /SLC

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BLM wrote a FUNNY play-on-words when she said: "Thanks Barb for being zealest and 'zealing' us all!" --- Good one, BL! I love making words come ALIVE like that! Cute! /SLC

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BLUE RIBBON AWARD FOR "ESSAY OF THE DAY" goes to bjc2read@yahoo.com! AMEN, "sister"! What you describe regarding the "thinking" of the JWs is soooo true. I know, because I used to think the SAME way when I was a JW. I would NEVER have questioned the GB, because I was blind as to their "human-ness." Thanks for putting it in such clear language. /SLC

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To BLM and Someone In Texas: Thanks, girls, for the nice comments on my attempts at serious-humor! ;) And, Loris, I was going to write you back channel tonight, but I've been sitting here almost 12 hours now. Hang on to that PDF ... I'll write soon! Thanks again! Night All! Love/SLC

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BAD NEWS!!! All posts from between July 9th and July 20th are MISSING! Yipes!!!! That's 11 DAYS of POSTS NOT SHOWING UP!!! Not again!!! (I spent hours replying to posts tonight. Total bummer!) -- I'm hoping it is just some weird quirk of my computer. Is anyone else noticing that the DATES skip from July 9th to July 20th? /Grieving, SLC :-(

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To All Lambs who Post Here: I just got a little adrenaline rush from seeing all the missing posts ... I was going to bed. But while I'm thinking about it: It has been on my mind for awhile to ask if we should create a separate private yahoo group so we could "continue" our conversations over there in more detail. This, of course, is NOT TO SAY we would take ANYTHING AWAY from the SIlent Lambs SITE, but only if we want to "chat" via email in more detail, then we would have a "private place" to do it, and everyone who signed up for the group would receive the emails. We could make it a "restricted" group which means members would have to be approved. It's just an idea. I will gladly set it up if you like. I know how, 'cuz I've done it before, piece of cake. Give it some thought, and give your vote for (1) Whether you ladies (and gents) would like such an email group? and (2) If you would, then what name would you like to call it? Here is all I could think of so far: --- Land_O_Lambs --- Lambs_Landing --- Lambs_Annex --- Lambs_Rising --- If I think of any others, I'll pass them on. Later Lambs, ;) /SLC

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Well, I reloaded the Guestbook page TWICE and the posts are STILL MISSING. I will zap a quick note to the webmaster. This is so sad! I kept copies of SOME of my posts, so I'll see what I can dig up. I'm pooped, but if I don't do it now, I may never back-track. Everyone, guess it would be a good idea to keep copies of your posts ... at least for now. Later, Boo Hoo, SLC

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FYI: Barbara Anderson postponing hearing --- From: "silentlambs" <info@silentlambs.org> Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 21:13:51 -0500 To: <info@silentlambs.org> Subject: Anderson Postpone's Hearing --- Barb Anderson has decided to postpone the hearing for two weeks. So the appeal hearing is off for this weekend. So pass it around for anyone who might be planning to make the trip. It is stressful to try to get ready for a meeting with a three day notice. So Anderson's attorney is going to ask for a postpone in the morning. That is the latest info. Regards, bill

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Hi. I am Alison Cousins who you will have heard about in the BBC program, if any person would like to write to me about the program or give me there comments please feel free to do so. My email address is: SANDYCOUSINS@HOTMAIL.COM Looking forward to hearing from you. Good Luck and God Bless, Bill.

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Somebody named "WE" wrote: "It looks like disfellowshipping is 'losing its punch'. The goal was to eradicate the DF'd person ... But DF'd people are listening to each other. And the press is listening. And members of parliament are listening. And we are listening." --- Hello WE! We LOVE you. Who might "WE" be? Are you a current JW, like our friend Mr. Mole? Either way, we are glad WE is listening! WE-LCOME! ;) /SLC

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Debradolls wrote: "As a legal student I am interested in legal recourse available for sexual crimes committed 29 yrs ago. Any information would be most welcome. debradolls@aol.com." --- Dear DDolls: The best guess I have is it would depend on the laws of whatever particular STATE you are interested in. Their laws when the sex crime was committed, AND any more recent legislation that may have been passed in your state since then. Go to one of the law sites online to find the statues for your state. Or do a search like so: Statutes - Colorado (or whichever state). Or, you could email your governor's office and/or your local congressional representatives (all of them have websites, and ask them to direct you to the statues online for your state re: sex crimes). Or, you could visit your local LAW library in person, usually found in the local courthouse (look up Law Library in your blue pages of your phone book, under your county). Other than that, I'm fresh out of ideas. Anyone else? /SLC

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REPOSTING: --- Hi LORIS!!! So SORRY for not replying yet. I had every intention of answering you yesterday, but pooped out and never got to finish. You're welcome about the "Ezekiel pep talk." What you say is so true. The WTS tries to "scare us" against speaking up, like in the dramas and articles of Korah and Abiram (sp?), and believe me, those dramas really put the "fear" into me (I remember the Korah drama was also done years ago in the '80s, and my heart was just a pounding!). -- Yet, like you say, when we look at scriptures like the man with the inkhorn, and also about Eli and his sons, then it would make sense to NOT be on the side of the WT. Whew! It's really some HEAVY stuff. I liked how you mentioned we are being allowed to "see through the hole in the temple wall." I feel PRIVILEGED to be allowed to rally up on the side of Silent Lambs, and be allowed to SEE thru that hole, yes; as apparently many who are still JWs can't even SEE IT themselves, which is heartbreaking. --- Yeah, once in awhile ol' SLC here can get on a roll. I'm glad you gave me a name of what to call it (i.e., "tongue in cheek") re: Daniel Ch. 5. I wasn't sure how to describe it, short of saying I was "altering scripture" which that thought in itself scares me a little, too. In all sincerity I wanted to see "if the shoe would fit," so to speak, after I "filled in the blanks." And I know what you mean about wanting to laugh and cry at the same time. I tend to wake up feeling "fired up" about this sex abuse scandal, but I tend to go to bed feeling very sad about it all. --- I relayed my Daniel "exercise" to a friend over the phone, who has little Bible knowledge, but knows about JWs from and the GB and other things I've explained over the years. Once he got the parallels straight in his head, he was filling in the blanks of the story himself as I was describing that chapter in Daniel. It surprised me that he "caught on" to the parallels. At the end, he said "very very interesting ..." and also chuckled at the 62 years too late. ;) --- Thanks for going to all the trouble with the PDF. To be continued next post ... Love/SLC --- LORIS had written: *** Thanks SLC for the Ezekiel pep talk. I have been thinking about him lately. About how he was allowed to look through a hole in the temple wall (in a vision) He saw the older men doing such gross disgusting things in Jehovah's house. We are being allowed to see inside the modern temple and it is disgusting. I think I need to get out of the way of the men with the weapons of smashing. I would not want to be mistaken for a supporter of the filth. *** But you seemed to be on a roll. That tongue in cheek rendition of Daniel 5 was a hoot. actually it is delirious. There was no way I could explain why I suddenly burst out laughing and had tears running down my cheeks. My co-workers would just not get the punch line. It is definitely an inside joke. *** I am going to work on the converting the PDF to text. I will post it when I succeed. *** Love, Loris

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20 Jul 2002
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05:52:56
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REPOSTING --- #2 to LORIS --- Hi Again LORIS!!! Wow, that sounds like a complicated project with the PDF BOE letter. So many "steps" to go thru. Is there an icon in the Adobe Acrobat Reader which "converts PDF to text"? I couldn't find it when I was looking at that letter earlier last week, or whenever it was. THANK YOU for going to all that effort. I will have to read the letter again to remember which points "got my goat." I will email you and at your convenience you can zap me the whole thing via email and I will "study" it again and pick out whichever portions irked me. Yes, I remember it was Very Long. Thanks for your email addy. (I guess I need to get a web-mail, which I've had zillions of those since getting online, but I never keep them because I like working out of my real ISP email, but I don't want to put that one in the Guestbook. I have another idea, but haven't had time to work on it, but will let you guys know when I do it.) ;) THANKS AGAIN LORIS!!! Love/SLC --- LORIS had written: To SLC, *** I opened the BOE letter in Adobe Acrobat. There is a way to convert the .pdf into text that can be copy and pasted. But it was apparently created in another format then made into a .pdf I e-mailed it to myself at home (I am at work now.)I will scan it at home. My scanner will recognize text and convert it. I will let you know how it works out. Loris --- and --- to SLC I have the text of the BOE letter that was a pdf file. I scanned it and converted it to text. I can e-mail it or else tell me which section you want posted for discussion. It is seven pages long so maybe you don't want the whole thing posted here. Let me know. Loris ljmatheny@emtecae.com --- and --- *** Sorry SLC I gave an incorrect e-mail it is lmatheny@emtecae.com I inserted my middle initial in there my middle name is JOY isn't that a laugh. I haven't had much of that. My mother gave me that one (you know the woman who made me marry the man who raped me at 14.) Life's little jokes are not funny I love you guys. *** Loris

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20 Jul 2002
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05:55:49
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REPOSTING --- #3 to LORIS --- Dear LORIS!!! Thank you for sharing with us about your visit by the elders and your girlfriend (ugh! I would like to shake some sense into that sis! Your explanation to her was magnificent! If she is truly sorry you missed hearing the letter read to the congregation that night, it probably would have shocked her even more to know it has been posted online for weeks, and you can read it any time.) ;-) I also received your letter to Bill via the SL email list. I am SO SORRY that your "friends" at the KH, your local "spiritual" overseers, and the leaders at HQ would even stoop to view standing up for abuse victims as somehow disloyal or anything LESS than COMPLETELY RIGHTEOUS. It is SO utterly twisted for them to think this way (Isaiah 5:20). They have their "thinking caps" on BACKWARDS, to say the least. --- Your letter to Bill was FULL of inspiration, courage, determination and strength. I cannot imagine what it would feel like know there was a 'special needs talk' and that 'you're it.' Surely many in your cong are shaking their heads in shame and pain as to how the elders and the society in general are acting, but they are too afraid to speak up. I am sure they ADMIRE YOU in their hearts, but have not worked up the courage themselves to take a stand. If that sis is a gossip, many people probably know that already and will see right through her. --- Also, remember the saying, "Let your pain be your pulpit. Let your mess be your mission." (I heard that on TV and I really liked it, because I remember my former JW-friend [an older sister] who, long before this sex abuse scandal, used to tell me regarding things I had experienced in the world before ever becoming a JW: She would say that all things we have experienced and suffered is what makes us a good Witness, in that we can use those very experiences and pain to help others with the same problems. I would say NOW is the BEST TIME to be using that experience and compassion that we who gather here have for abuse victims ... [This sis had first-hand experience of many years with an unfaithful, gambling, alcoholic JW husband, so she was speaking from experience herself, and she helped others with those kinds of problems, even doing it "underground" where needed, directing "the friends" to AA, Al-anon, GA, etc. because she would say that the JWs did not have appropriate services to help people with such problems. And that sis of which I speak, she had been raised in the truth, a "lifer" if you will. And she never got DF'd for it.]) --- Anyway, her words have "echoed" in my head many times over the years, and especially so since this exposure of child sex abuse and it's cover-up and lambs being "silenced." All the field-service-time in the world does not compare one iota to ONE HUG or ONE SUPPORTIVE WORD or ACTION in behalf of child or any other victim who has been abused. I am CERTAIN Jehovah HIMSELF SEES IT THAT WAY, don't you? --- I wonder if Jehovah would mind me making a temporary adjustment to a few more of his scriptures? This one is dedicated to LORIS: --- "With YOUR GOODNESS you proceeded to make it READY for the AFFLICTED ONE, O God. Jehovah himself gives the saying: 'The WOMEN telling (and exposing) the GOOD NEWS (JUSTICE for the LAMBS) are a LARGE ARMY. Even the kings (GB) of (JWs) armies flee, they flee (from the Panorama reporter). AS FOR HER (LORIS) WHO ABIDES AT HOME, SHE SHARES IN THE SPOIL (!!!!) ... Blessed be Jehovah, who DAILY CARRIES the LOAD for us, the true God of our salvation ... INDEED God himself will BREAK the head of his enemies in pieces (the Abusers & Silencers of the Silent Lambs), the hairy crown of the head of ANYONE WALKING ABOUT IN HIS GUILTINESS ... They (the world and JWs) have SEEN your PROCESSIONS, O God (media coverage and the March of the Silent Lambs), the PROCESSIONS of my God, My King, INTO THE HOLY PLACE (NY-HQ). The singers went in front (the individual Silenced Lambs), the players on stringed instruments after them (B. Bowen and other elders who are taking a stand), [and] in between were the MAIDENS BEATING TAMBOURINES (that would be the rest of us - I guess we are making too much noise, eh?) ... REBUKE the wild beast of the reeds (the abusers and molesters in their hiding places, cowering behind the bushes), [and] the ASSEMBLY OF THE BULLS (the hard-headed elders and GB members who disgrace the lambs), with the CALVES of the PEOPLES (silent lambs and supporters), EACH ONE STAMPING DOWN on pieces of silver (lawsuits for damages of GB policy on all silent lambs). He has SCATTERED the peoples THAT TAKE DELIGHT IN FIGHTS (the JWs who mock, disgrace, dehumanize, insult and curse the lambs, their supporters and the media who cover the cause of the lambs) ...God is fear-inspiring OUT OF your grand sanctuary (Heaven), The God of Israel he is, GIVING STRENGTH, EVEN MIGHT to the PEOPLE (the PEOPLE, not the GB). Blessed be God." (Psalms 68:10,11,12,18,19,21,24,25,30,35) --- Hang in there, LORIS! If you are handed the "A" on a silver platter, see above "tongue in cheek" scripture. You will be in good company! ;) I'll back channel you soon. Love/SLC

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Date:
20 Jul 2002
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REPOSTING --- THIS COMMENT IS TO LORIS' "friend" AND ALL OTHER JWs who have the mind set that JWs themselves (such as Bill Bowen and other elders and publishers) should NOT be speaking up publicly about the sex abuse, the coverup, the policy, etc., and who STILL feel everyone should just "sit back" and "WAIT ON JEHOVAH" --- WAIT for Jehovah TO DO WHAT? Send Angels to the GB's office? Does not Jehovah ALWAYS USE HUMANS TO GET HIS WILL DONE? Read These Lips :-O In the above 68th Chapter of Psalms, while reading it, a few verses jumped out at me. I did not include them above because I wanted to make them a separate post. Read the whole chapter to get the entire picture, or read at least the few several verses (Ps.68:22-26) leading up to the ones I am going to type out: --- "There is LITTLE Benjamin SUBDUING THEM, the princes of Judah WITH THEIR SHOUTING CROWD, the princes of Zebulun, the princes of Naphtali. YOUR GOD has laid command UPON YOUR STRENGTH. (pay attention to this NEXT verse): DO SHOW STRENGTH, O God, YOU who have ACTED FOR US." (Ps.68:27,28). --- (I WISH I could make BOLD and UNDERLINE! <frustration>) --- Did you NOTICE the point? Verse 28 says that it is GOD who is "ACTING FOR US." Yet was it REALLY JEHOVAH HIMSELF who "materialized himself" and came down out of heaven and took up the battle with Israel's enemies? NO NO NO!!!! He used LITTLE BENJAMIN and Judah's SHOUTING CROWD. In other words, he USED HUMANS TO GET THINGS DONE. So does it REALLY make sense to expect every JW should keep sitting on their "duff" and "wait on Jehovah" and keep DOING NOTHING? Jehovah uses PEOPLE to get things accomplished. But you ALREADY know that, don't you? You just never THOUGHT of it in THIS (sex abuse) context, i.e., that you should SPEAK UP re: the silencing of the lambs, and the covering over of their abusers. --- Scenario: If you had worldly neighbors, friendly people who you sometimes chatted with across the fence. And you learned their child had been abused by the neighborhood gardner or whoever, and the child confided in you. WOULD YOU DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT? WOULD YOU HELP THAT "WORLDLY" CHILD? OR WOULD YOU SIT ON YOUR DUFF AND LET THE ABUSE CONTINUE? WHAT IF IT WAS THE CHILD'S FATHER ABUSING THEM? WOULD YOU CONFRONT THE FATHER? WHAT IF HE TELLS YOU TO KEEP IT QUIET? WOULD YOU SAY, "OK. Sorry. I'll mind my own business." ???? OR WOULD YOU GO TO POLICE, THE CPS, THE OTHER NEIGHBORS, AND KEEP SPEAKING OUT UNTIL SOMEONE HELPED THE CHILD? DO YOU THINK JEHOVAH HIMSELF WOULD WANT YOU TO HELP THAT "WORLDLY" CHILD? Of COURSE, HE WOULD!! THEN HOW MUCH MORE SO THOSE WHO ARE 'RELATED TO YOU IN THE FAITH'? (Galatians 6:10) --- That bears repeating: "So let us NOT GIVE UP in doing what is FINE, for in due season we shall reap if we DO NOT TIRE OUT. REALLY THEN, as long as we have TIME FAVORABLE for it, LET US WORK what is GOOD toward ALL, but ESPECIALLY toward THOSE RELATED TO US IN THE FAITH." (Gal. 6:9,10). That scripture ALONE should -- SHOULD -- prevent ANY CHILD's abuse from EVER being SILENCED EVER AGAIN, be they JW or otherwise. It should also, I hope, make ALL JWs STOP and THINK before they sputter out anymore words about waiting on Jehovah, and heaping insults at their brothers and sisters who ARE DOING SOMETHING ABOUT silent lambs. Thank you. /SLC

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