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June 2002 Guestbook

Remote User:
Date:
01 Jun 2002
Time:
00:00:49
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Hi again,

To the person who wrote from Canada, Edmonton Alberta. There are Pedophiles in the congregations in Canada. I am an active Witness and so are my parents. The policies of the Watchtower allow pedophiles to operate with relative freedom.

The victim is blamed and expected to act. The victim is usually a CHILD and the pedophile is usually an ADULT. Now isn't this a little unfair. How can a child stand up to the cunning, manipulation, threatening, and the sheer size of a adult predator...It is a little out of the child's league don't you think!! Some people are so unreasonable. The weaker are always dominated by the stronger especially in the case of pedophila.

Hitler was responsible for what happened in Germany but one must always remember he could not have done all those terrible things if he didn't have people who carried out his wicked orders to the death of 6 million Jews and countless others.

After the war some on trial used the excuse they were following orders. Can the elders use this excuse that they were just following orders? These men who followed orders of Hitler still went to prison and were found guilty.

Unbelievable as it was, there were people who lived near the concentration camps, working their farms, who had no idea what was happening until the Americans came in and the war was over. So today there will be people, who will not have a clue what is going on under their very noses...

Just because someone claims nothing is going on doesn't make it so. Old expression "5% make it happen; 5% watch it happen; and 80% ask what happened."

A persons denial may make them feel safe. It just like the disease AIDS. At first the person does not know they have it. They feel fine. They look fine but this doesn't change how deadly the disease is.

So to with some adults, they may look around and think everything is fine in the congregations but think again. The Pedophile usually identifies himself only to his victims(the children)who are their sexual preference, not the adult. Those who have trouble believing this should think you can't tell someone has AIDS just by looking at them so to with the Pedophile...

Denial will not keep the children safe but facing reality will...DJB

P.S. For the record Dateline was good for our family as it helped the doubting Thomas's to realize what I have been saying for past 6 years is exactly what is happening...

P.S.S About that "Gay" bit. Those who have no answer will often resort to name calling, making accusations to deflect the attention off themselves. They want, obviously, to redirect the attention off the REAL issues. THAT IS THE PROTECTION OF THE CHILDREN.

Bill Bowen keep up the good work and efforts with this web site. Barbara Anderson your (research)evidence shows how deep the problem runs in the organization. Thank for your courage in coming forward and speaking up. Both your efforts to expose this to the public/brothers is so appreciated. Thanks with all my heart!!! Jehovah will not forget your work and the love you showed.

Remote User:
Date:
01 Jun 2002
Time:
00:07:05
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lollylou2@excite.com wrote: Date: 23 May 2002 Time: 13:21:59 Comments - I just wanted to commend all of you for your brave stand against child abuse. Many years ago I remember a brother sitting in the balcony of an Assembly Hall with a cover over him and two of his granddaughters. He was molesting them under the covers. Shock and disbelief spread quickly. The outcome was we were counseled for gossiping. EVERYONE was told to treat this molester the same as before and if anything else was said we could be publicly reproved or disfellowshipped for slandering this brother. I haven't talked about this for over twenty years. I never let my children be around him, but I have to admit I didn't dare sympathize with the girls for fear of reproof from the elders. This is a crime. Thank you again for your bravery! I am sure you will be blessed for all your efforts in behalf of our children! lollylou2@excite.com

AD responds 23 May 2002: That is exactly what I would do - keep my children away from him! But it is not possible - not only does he get frequent overnight visitations with his children, but I've learned now that some other children in the congregation and some of those that are studies attending meetings have spent time over there when my children are there and even shared in overnights with him too! And I am constantly reminded NOT to speak out about what he has done to us!

To Lollylou and AD ....

"Only persons truly responsible for injustice prefer silence and seek to impose it"

Our silence has only compounded the problem over the years. We gave up our conscience to the dictates of men rather than listen to the dictates of Almighty God.

John 3 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."

Matthew 10 26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known. 27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.

Luke 12 1 ....... Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. 2 For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known. 3 Therefore whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed upon the housetops.

If all of you who are keeping silent in your congregation were to speak out all at the same time, what can they do? I guarantee that almost the whole congregation is affected and all want to speak out. Only Satan and his lackeys loves this silence!

SPEAK OUT! BE SILENT NO MORE!!!!!!!

Jan.Groenveld@uq.net.au THE MOST DANGEROUS LIE IS THAT WHICH MOST CLOSELY RESEMBLES THE TRUTH http://www.caic.org.au

Remote User:
Date:
01 Jun 2002
Time:
00:07:25
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lollylou2@excite.com wrote: Date: 23 May 2002 Time: 13:21:59 Comments - I just wanted to commend all of you for your brave stand against child abuse. Many years ago I remember a brother sitting in the balcony of an Assembly Hall with a cover over him and two of his granddaughters. He was molesting them under the covers. Shock and disbelief spread quickly. The outcome was we were counseled for gossiping. EVERYONE was told to treat this molester the same as before and if anything else was said we could be publicly reproved or disfellowshipped for slandering this brother. I haven't talked about this for over twenty years. I never let my children be around him, but I have to admit I didn't dare sympathize with the girls for fear of reproof from the elders. This is a crime. Thank you again for your bravery! I am sure you will be blessed for all your efforts in behalf of our children! lollylou2@excite.com

To Lollylou and AD ....

"Only persons truly responsible for injustice prefer silence and seek to impose it"

Our silence has only compounded the problem over the years. We gave up our conscience to the dictates of men rather than listen to the dictates of Almighty God.

SPEAK OUT! BE SILENT NO MORE!!!!!!!

Jan.Groenveld@uq.net.au THE MOST DANGEROUS LIE IS THAT WHICH MOST CLOSELY RESEMBLES THE TRUTH http://www.caic.org.au

Remote User:
Date:
01 Jun 2002
Time:
00:20:37
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What is going on here in the JW camp is "Obstruction of Justice." You could call it "Obstruction of Conscience." But to say that implies that the Witnesses active Jehovah's Witnesses have one. Anyone ever see the movie "The Stoning?" I recommend it.

You JW people want so badly to have a "Theocratic War" with the entire Human Race…All of Civilization…All of Mankind…YOU GOT IT! You shits have a war.

I listen here and it is just like everywhere else. When it comes to Jehovah's Witnesses their God is my Devil!!! Why? Look at their very words. They speak for themselves. I need to provide no other proof. I will not wait to see you attack one more victim. Next time you come to my house plan on me leaving with you. Dateline video, this sites stories, your own literature, Franz , "Releasing the Bonds," and the spirit of Christ. They are coming to. I will go door to door with you. No more will I allow you to lie and play dumb about your own "Wolfish" devil ways. I will let people make up their own minds. Just like you. I however will give them all the facts. Including the ways of a propagandist. If your material can still hold any credibility I will truly be amazed.

Anyone else with me?

The Watchtower and its dominion are dependent on shame and silence. You Witnesses created your enemy here. Your enemy is you!

Remote User:
Date:
01 Jun 2002
Time:
00:25:58
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I am an active JW - and both a victim of abuse and a parent of abused children - our abuser was my husband and their bio. father and IS still a member of our congregation in good standing.

I'm in search of a private email group for persons with similar situations. I do not want a group where those not wanting to continue serving Jehovah will be as well. I really just want a loving, spiritually-minded, sympathetic/empathic group where victims can discuss their situations freely and find support in dealing/coping with ongoing related issues.

If you know of such a group OR If you are interested in such a group as well PLEASE CONTACT me at mymomspace@hotmail.com

Agape & Philia

Remote User:
Date:
01 Jun 2002
Time:
00:55:14
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I was raised as a Jehovah's Witness and I am currently married to a baptized-disfellowshipped - re-instated Witness. I am not baptized. We have two children. I know quite a lot of witnesses and non-witnesses. I was a little surprised by the Dateline story. However, I do feel that it is probably true. Among the witnesses there is a false sense of security, as though none of them could do any wrong. I had thought that if anything inappropriate had taken place that the witnesses would have gone to the authorities. I see that is not the case. I also believe that they are more concerned with their "image" than any particular member. If they have admitted molesters going door-to-door, what else is going on in the organization ?? What Jehovah's Witnesses governing body should have done was gotten ahead of this thing - reported the abusers - counseled the victims and prevented anything like this from ever happening again. They should not have buried the problem. People would have been extremely proud and impressed and thought much more of them had they handled the situation the way they should have. They would have brought pride and honor to Jehovah's name. Instead they brought shame and scandal. They should be ashamed of themselves. I am certain that Jehovah is disappointed with them. They said let Jehovah handle it. WELL I GUESS NOW HE IS !!!!! It seems as though he is using Bowen to get the word out so that the abuse can stop. Try not to let their attitude discourage your efforts. I am sure it is difficult for you. But your cause is just and I am certain that all decent people appreciate your efforts. Don't let the self-righteous hypocrites wear you down. Let the innocent children motivate you every day. May Jehovah God bless you for your efforts. Wishing you and your family the best. Dawn P in NJ.d

Remote User:
Date:
01 Jun 2002
Time:
01:11:17
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well......how do I begin,,,well I was a victim of sexual abuse by an elder in 1975.....nothing was done......I am very upset and confused....he destroyed my life and my husbands life.

Deb

Remote User:
Date:
01 Jun 2002
Time:
01:36:41
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Here is the poem..someone requested that was seen on Dateline (on Bills computer) "BED OF TEARS"

She sits upon a bed of tears All alone and full of fears She can not comprehend Why the boo boos do not mend So she stares upon the wall And in her childish prayer does call I want my daddy to come here to protect me from my fear But to daddy I can not call for he is the meanest of them all He whispered he loved me and said not to tell But when he touched me I wanted to yell He hurt me bad and made me cry He said he loved me, so I don't know why Can you hear me Jesus, are you awake? I don't want to bother you, but my daddy I hate Please forgive me for being bad I know I make my daddy mad He told me if I don't be good While by my bedside he stood I'm afraid he will love me no more He said be good, like the times before But Jesus it hurts when he loves me at night I want to tell Mommy, but then they will fight I want to go away to be with you But I have to know, do you hate me too?

Dedicated to my daughter Michele Sandstrom ~~~by Jean Kraus copyrighted 2001

Queens, NY --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I cannot seem to yell loud enough to be heard,

e (on Bills computer)

Remote User:
Date:
01 Jun 2002
Time:
01:41:00
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"" If they have admitted molesters going door-to-door, what else is going on in the organization ?? """

This: http://www.geocities.com/wts_rides_the_beast/Awake112298.htm

Remote User:
Date:
01 Jun 2002
Time:
02:25:49
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In response to the 'brother' who said:

"The following is a post dealing with Dateline and Pedophilia in the organization made by a brother on a JW discussion board. I thought it was very good: The safety of the children should come first. Elders are instructed that upon hearing an allegation of child abuse that they are to contact the Society's Legal Department. I'm sorry but that tells me right off where the priorities are. ""

Pffffffffffffffffffff..., finally a 'brother' with common sense, one that doest want to be fooled anymore by the WT Society. Hats off!!!!

But there is one thing that I don't agree with you: "The world hates us anyway and thinks very little of us." The world doest hate you, it's like you said yourself "they watch us go about our business trying to fool them into thinking we are better than them"!! That's the whole issue!

Remote User:
Date:
01 Jun 2002
Time:
02:28:37
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Why on earth would anyone want to belong to an organization so far away from what Jesus tried to teach people?? It is just mind-boggling that such a dictatorial so-called religion, with such juvenile rules & regulations could gain so many followers. Boy, oh Boy, if Christ ever did come back to earth and found out about the Watchtower organization, and what a mockery it has made of true spiritual meaning He would be flabbergasted, and probably nail himself back on the cross. If a person cannot find some sort of spiritual meaning in life without joining such a transparently phony CULT, then these people are truly to be pitied. The TRUTH, they call it !! Such arrogance !!! The "truth" is, that it is a scam, operated by a bunch of old men who live very well off the money donated by a multitude of true 'slaves' .... slaves who have been brainwashed to believe that everything the Watchtower tells them has to be accepted as the FINAL answer. How very, very sad, and what a depressing commentary on our human frailties. God help us all, is all I can say, and if He will, the first thing He should do is expose this arrogant Cult for what it is.

Remote User:
Date:
01 Jun 2002
Time:
02:35:36
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TO ALL SILENTLAMBS: My name is Jean Kraus and I am an inactive witness from the Fresh Pond Road Congregation in Queens NY. I am also the mother and sister of incest survivors, still suffering from the aftereffects of the abuse. So many times I wanted to come forward and put my name on this web site, but for fear of being called an apostate by the Society I didn't. Now I realize, that no one but God can judge me, and I know that He does not look down on me with angry for supporting victims and survivors of abuse. I have been a child advocate since 1992. When the girls molester wasn't disfellowshipped, I questioned the elders, I was told their abuser (my husband at the time and a Ministerial Servant)was not a wicked person , but he was weak and I was not to question the outcome of the hearing. The healing of the girls and our family would have been so much easier if our feelings were validated and if he was disfellowshipped. One elder knew he was a con artist, for he told me this after the judicial meeting. The feelings that enveloped me were devastating, I wanted to die. My daughter told me she would lay in bed and think of ways to kill herself. My sister suffered physically from the stress of the abuse. The rest of my family was in shock, and my sons left the Org. When the abuse was first told to me , I tried to have my husband arrested, but the girls were over eighteen when they told me, so the authorities told me they had to report it not me. Another let down. They were too scared and ashamed.I needed the elders to support me by reporting the abuse, but was told they were not mandated to report abuse in NY, so they didnt.In fact, the elders never even spoke to my daughter about the abuse and never even comforted her,she told me she is very hurt by this still to this day and feels betrayed that someone who was a close friend of hers would defend the sexual abuse policy, he is an elder. When I tried to warn other families in our hall of my husband (ex), I was warned to keep silent otherwise I would be marked, and I was causing division in the hall and if I did not listen to the elder's counsel I would be disfellowshipped. Another let down. I couldn't believe that the molester wasn't DF'd but I would be, it was then that even though I still went to meetings and gave talks and went preaching, my heart was aching for justice, but was told I had to wait on Jehovah. I believed that and I still do, and I know that the time has come and He has answered our prayers with all this exposure coming out and our wait is over. I do not hate any witness and never did and I am not turning my back on Jehovah, I am just trying to heal by telling the truth, which God knows I am. And I want to tell all the victims that you are survivors now and as a mother I want to tell you that I love all of you and I believe you and I am so sorry for the horrible crimes committed against you. I want to validate your feelings and offer you support and to tell you that as a volunteer for Silentlambs I am here for you and I am fighting to change the Statute of Limitations for sexual abuse. And to all those who posted such negative replies to Bill Bowen and the Silentlambs, remember this, do as Jesus did and have compassion for all people and do not judge harshly, for you will be judged also by your heart condition....Thanks Bill for being the elder me and my daughter have always been looking for..

Remote User:
Date:
01 Jun 2002
Time:
03:53:50
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I have read for the first time many of the posts in the Guestbook made since Dateline aired. It is the first opportunity I have had due to being inundated with email that I have been trying to answer. At the moment we have several JW pedophiles that are having charges press against them in different parts of the country. Also over 40 pedophile surveys have been turned in with numerous stories of abuse that will be going up shortly on the “abused lambs” page. As I read the posts made so far I was struck by to pain and sadness so many have as a result of WT Policy. WE BELIEVE YOU! Here you will never be doubted, your story will never be questioned, we will support you in anyway possible to heal and report those who hurt you. That is the purpose of silentlambs.

There are areas some have asked about and I would like to provide some brief answers. First, legal action, if you wish to pursue legal action please be careful who you talk to. There are those who would take advantage. I have asked the Webmaster to take all legal advertisements off the website as I do not know who these people are and they have made no effort to contact me. I do not trust them. If you feel you would like to do something in that direction email me and I will be glad to put you with someone who is very credible. info@silentlambs.org

Second, a few have asked about donations. If you read the “gift to sl” you will note all donations go to the assistance of victims. I take no salary and devote hundreds of hours as a donation of my time and effort. Our funding is very limited and as a result we are limited as to what we can do, so if anyone's heart moves them to assist, the more we get the more we can do for survivors. I just looked at the sl account we have $2,143.25 in the bank and to date since Dateline aired I have received a total of $50 in donations from one kind person. The hotline phone bill this month will be close to $400 along with website expenses. When things get tight I have certain ones I can call who are generous to help keep things going, for their help I am very grateful. Perhaps this will help some to see why I have the donate button at the top of the page.

Third, you will note there are a variety of posts that appear on the Guestbook. I try to allow most to remain as it gives the viewer the full picture of how survivors are affected. The anger, sorrow, sense of loss, bitterness, sadness, to name a few are so clearly presented, it needs to come out, you will not be silenced here. I also allow those who bitterly defend WT Policy as it helps the viewer to see how blinded a few are to the reality presented by this website. To this day I marvel how some can walk over all this evidence and call survivors liars. Understand many who read their posts marvel and understand why this problem continues in the organization, it is a living testament. So please do not be offended, this is a rough Guestbook born from atrocities committed against children.

Fourth, many have asked where I stand with regard to belief and teachings of the organization. I remain neutral on any expressions about doctrine. Silentlambs is a support group for all JW victims of abuse. This group ranges in those who have been DF'd, da, inactive, regular, pioneer, etc.. Who do we have the right to turn our backs on? All were hurt as children and are trying to find the path healing. At silentlambs we practice a don't ask don't tell rule whenever we gather or assist one another. That is we come together as survivors and your status is a non issue, you will always have the support of silentlambs. Our message is about healing and getting better, being the best person you can be, giving back to others and learning to never be a silent lamb.

silentlambs

Remote User:
Date:
01 Jun 2002
Time:
04:24:11
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As always when the Watchtower is exposed as it really is with good documentation and facts we have the loyal WT apologists JW's crawling out of the woodwork to deliver some of their usual pathetic one or two liners, like these:

"Those of you bashing witnesses, Pathetic ignorant fools, only looking to release your anger on people who try to lead clean lives, I am not a JW but I have respect for them, how can you possibly base your opinion on them for a few sick individuals. I don't see anyone attacking the Catholics for condemning "sinners" to hell and forcing collection plates. These are people. You are no better than the hatred spewing Nazis that terrorized the Jews or the KKK, that's right you prejudiced hypocrites! "

"Looks like an APOSTATE website to me. How could you do something like this??? It's so sad to see someone do this...."

"You are probably a Catholic that is spearheading these untruths to take the heat off of the terrible problems confronting your church. Soon the Catholic church will answer to God for their conduct. (for the one that is behind this site ) this system is about to end and sad to say you will go down with it..."

These comments are great though, because they show perfectly well the complete lack of empathy and compassion with the victims of the abuse that exist among the rank and file JW's. Here we can see the true face of what they call "Christian Love" in action as practiced by JW's.

It demonstrates the true attitude of loyal devout Jehovah's Witnesses and the cadaver discipline among the rank and file. No matter what kind of horrible abuse you are subjected to in the hands of elders and fellow JW's, you have to take it. Don't rock the boat! Don't do anything to bring shame on Jehovah. What a despicable and sick cult Jehovah's Witnesses are.

So thank you folks! Keep posting these one liners to spew you insane hatred for truth and decency. It reveals your true nature and attitudes.

This one is so typical of a JW who have absolutely no arguments against the well documented material about the horrible conditions within the WT organization and then have to deliver the ultimate last pathetic, impotent and helpless line with the universal and usual threat, my God will kill you because you just exposed us for the creeps we are:

(for the one that is behind this site) this system is about to end and sad to say you will go down with it..........."

Norm

Remote User:
Date:
01 Jun 2002
Time:
08:04:53
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Norm, you are so right!! There is no use in calling each other names, as J.W.'s are so brainwashed they don't even know it (and the few that do know it, are so scared to lose their so called friends that they wont even admit it to themselves!!) and the rest of the world will never understand why these people let themselves be so brainwashed and fooled by WT. So we all, like Bill Bowen, would better put all our energy in protecting and saving our kids from these criminals, no matter their religion!!

Remote User:
Date:
01 Jun 2002
Time:
09:50:32
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Someone wrote: *Just because someone claims nothing is going on doesn't make it so. Old expression "5% make it happen; 5% watch it happen; and 80% ask what happened."

Great quote, but.................. What about the other ten percent? LOL

Remote User:
Date:
01 Jun 2002
Time:
11:37:23
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Hi..I am in awe at the powerful sight this is. It is about time to open the hearts of those wanting real truth to be known, and protecting those innocents. Thank you so much. I love what your doing..Keep it public, keep it public.. judith judyk@neumedia.net

Remote User:
Date:
01 Jun 2002
Time:
14:26:03
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Hi I would like to thank Bill Bowen for opening this web site. It is time that the silent ones stand up and speak out for them selves. God will honor your love that you have for the thousands of abused victims. It is time for the Watchtower to step back and see that they need to change a lot of rules in their organization. They need to realize that people need LOVE, and with that comes FREEDOM of speech. I pray for all of the victims that have been silenced for MANY of yrs! The ones that have chosen to be in an organization like the Jehovah's Witness,need to realize that when we obey and honor God that we honor our Government also, the Bible commands that we pray for our leaders of our country, not to turn against them in any way. It is Gods will that this information be revealed about the Watchtower Society. The shunning that takes place in the Society is also another sin that God has no part of. I pray that God would manifest him self in such a way that the organization would have no doubt as to WHO God truly is! May the Lord keep a hedge of protection around each person that has been abused by this organization. Satan destroys and desires to sift us like wheat. In Jesus name we have the power to over come the enemy who is trying to destroy innocent people. Thank you for this web site, and many blessings and love to all of the ones who are suffering in so many ways. God Bless Sharon Rid595@cs.com

Remote User:
Date:
01 Jun 2002
Time:
14:57:51
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I would like to ask why my post to this page keep being removed. who is doing that. I state 1 thing in favor of the JW group and it doesn't stay on the site. I am confused what this site is for if post keep being removed. why are we not free to post what we wish? Thanks Karen

Remote User:
Date:
01 Jun 2002
Time:
14:58:04
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I would like to ask why my post to this page keep being removed. who is doing that. I state 1 thing in favor of the JW group and it doesn't stay on the site. I am confused what this site is for if post keep being removed. why are we not free to post what we wish? Thanks Karen

Remote User:
Date:
01 Jun 2002
Time:
14:58:10
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I would like to ask why my post to this page keep being removed. who is doing that. I state 1 thing in favor of the JW group and it doesn't stay on the site. I am confused what this site is for if post keep being removed. why are we not free to post what we wish? Thanks Karen

Remote User:
Date:
01 Jun 2002
Time:
14:58:20
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I would like to ask why my post to this page keep being removed. who is doing that. I state 1 thing in favor of the JW group and it doesn't stay on the site. I am confused what this site is for if post keep being removed. why are we not free to post what we wish? Thanks Karen

Remote User:
Date:
01 Jun 2002
Time:
16:02:10
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Anyone who know one of Jehovah's Witnesses or has been to the Kingdom Hall should know that what is said in this website are lies. They things said are lies or twisted around to sound like what they are not. It makes me sick to read what you are writing. You make it sound as if any time someone makes a mistake they are disfellowshipped, which is no true. If you do something really bad and do not turn from that way then you can be disfellowshipped. Jehovah's Witnesses follow what the bible says and take the bible very serious.

I encourage any who have questions to ask one of Jehovah's Witnesses to explain what their beliefs are and do not listen to these lies on this website.

Child molestation is a horrible thing and none of Jehovah's Witnesses would protect or condone any child molester.

Remote User:
Date:
01 Jun 2002
Time:
16:03:01
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To the person who wrote that you are pointing out negative things about JW's. I have been a JW for over 30 yrs. FYI: THE ELDERS ONLY REPORT ABUSE IF IT IS REQUIRED BY LAW (16 STATES)...OR ANY OTHER CRIME FOR THAT MATTER. THE BROTHER ON DATELINE WHO IS IN PRISON (MANUEL) WAS DF'D FOR 6 MO. MOST ARE NOT DF'D AND IF THE ABUSER OR FAMILY SAY ANYTHING TO ANYONE ELSE...WARNING OTHER PUBLISHERS TO PROTECT THEIR KIDS, ETC. THEY ARE PUBLICLY REPROVED OR DF'D. JW'S DO NOT WANT TO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS GOING ON AND THEY REALLY BELIEVE THAT ABUSERS ARE REMOVED.....USUALLY THEY ARE NOT. WE NEED TO WAKE UP AND PROTECT OUR CHILDREN.

Remote User:
Date:
01 Jun 2002
Time:
16:28:38
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OK Bill I got the message and my PayPals are on the way. You will see me every month. Sooner if need be.

For anyone looking to follow me here is a tip. The donation site on the main page is much easier to use than the one on the Guestbook. The Guestbook link is so small it is hard to use. And even a $5 dollar donation does matter. Regardless of the theocracy of the people involved my love is to the children; Any children ours or yours. For any person who can't understand why Bill created this site know this. Witnesses, if this is a crime against God to you, then that crime is we love your kids. You may think this misguided. I tell you what, if these are the end times, on that day you people who did nothing, You say why you did nothing. Those who are there for the protection children, You say why you did this.

Let God judge.

Peace and love to you Brother Bill. Glory to Jehovah God for this site.

I know here I stand.

WTCOVERTOPS@AOL.com

Remote User:
Date:
01 Jun 2002
Time:
16:51:06
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Jehovah's Witnesses are like any other humans. They are not perfect so some do really bad things. That does no mean that Jehovah's Witnesses as a whole are bad. They try to lead clean lives. I would not want to be around any Witnesses who has molested a child but if they do repent then they will be able to still be one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I am very sorry for any who have been molested, whether they are a Witness or not. The Catholics had to all go to New York and decide what to do about this problem. Jehovah's Witnesses have always knew what their stand on the matter is. If there is more than one person making a claim then the elders can do something about it other wise they can't (it says in the bible to have two or three witnesses). If a elder told a family they would be disfellowshipped for reporting it to the police then he was wrong. The family has the right to do that. The reason the elders don't report it to the police is because it usually can be handled in the congregation. If not the family can report it. In most states it is not the law to report it or the elders would even if there was only one witness, because that would be the law. Jehovah's Witnesses have put out many articles on how to protect our children from child molesting. We hate the sin of child molesting and would never condone it at all. The elders can not read hearts so if the child molesters seems repentant sometimes he/she is allowed to remain in the congregation. If he/she goes to any door the have to be with someone that is not ever been child molester. I believe on the Dateline show it showed a man that had been a child molester at a door, but there was also another person with him. You can not condemn all of Jehovah's Witnesses for what a group of witnesses did (which is a horrible thing). Jehovah's Witnesses as a whole try to lead good clean lives. Even though some witnesses that have molested are allowed to stay in the congregation the elders inform all the members of the congregation of who he/she is and what they did. If that person moved the new congregation would inform the new congregation of what he/she has done and the elders would tell the members of the congregation. The organization does not in any way protect that person from jail of any action by the courts or police. Any child molester can not serve as an elder or in any position in the congregation of responsibility. Many things on this website are twisted around and many things are lies. For one example, people are not disfellowshipped for about anything they do, they are disfellowshipped for doing something really bad and not being repented. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION PLEASE GO TO ONE OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES AND ASK THEM THE QUESTION SO THEY CAN EXPLAIN. Don't trust people that hate the witnesses or who claim to be a witness but to not act like they are (but telling how bad we are a twisting the truth).

Remote User:
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01 Jun 2002
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16:52:44
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To those who are victims, your second witness comes in the form of "forensic" science which our civil authorities use diligently. While each state may not have a Law for "shepherds" to have to report a crime. Does not God have one which says to "obey the Laws of the land". Exactly, we are to "obey CIVIL laws for reporting crimes. It is not only law, it is humane, it is a Godly act to help another in need.

Now while the WT wants to protect its own gluteus maximus. You will stand before Jehovah and have to tell Him why you didn't act to help an innocent and lowly one. Just like the admonition in 2 Tim 2:15 "Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, handling accurately the word of truth".

I doest matter if you are a Jehovah Witness, or a Mormon, or a Catholic, or a Baptist or not even in a church. Everyone deserves the right to choose what is done to them in their life. These are moral things the thread of what righteousness is made of.

May God bring you all Peace, Love and Joy

Remote User:
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01 Jun 2002
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16:59:02
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Yes, God's law does say to obey the law of the land but only 16 states say that you have to report the crime. If the law says to report the molesting then the elders do, no matter how many witnesses there are even one.

Remote User:
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01 Jun 2002
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17:01:24
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The family always has the right to report the crime to the police. And if any one says they will be punished then that person is wrong for saying that.

Remote User:
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01 Jun 2002
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17:05:35
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I guess I am not done. Remember the "naughty one" who keeps on transforming himself as an angel of light? The one who would fool even the very elect if it were not for God bringing this to an end?

I see all kinds of personalities posting here. Victims first of all. Then second the ones who belong to the organization that have not had this bad experience who are adamantly defending their faith. And then third I see everyone else who lives outside the "protected Bubble" of the WT Society showing cause for the ignorance and blindness in the world. Well pull up your boot straps, this blindness exists in every faith and in every walk. God is cleaning house and "NO ONE" is going to remain hidden. What the perpetrator does in secret will come to light not just in the Catholic faith, or the Jehovah's Witness's but all walks will get this shake down.

For those of you who have not had to live this horror. And since you don't know. I will share this well known metaphor "It is better to remain quiet and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt". YOU have NOT walked a mile in their shoes and DO NOT have the right to judge those who say they are victims. How dare you.

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01 Jun 2002
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17:14:38
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I agree with you that you should not judge any one who says he/she is a victim. If someone was to do that then they are wrong. I have heard stories of have other people turn their back to ones how say they are victims (from this website) but if that's true then those people, as I said, are wrong. We don't know if these ones saying they are victims are or are not. I hope if they are victims that they can find help, and if they are not victims then they will be exposed.

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01 Jun 2002
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17:22:35
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Most of the comments are just wonderful!

Congratulations of the airing of Dateline - it has definitely opened up a lot of comments in the guest book. Many more people finding this "safe" place.

Regarding divisions: The WTS have been doing the dividing for a ignoble cause. Love does not divide. Truth does not divide on itself. Liars cannot handle the truth. They have already primed the congregations for the "cleaning" out - to clean out what is clean, beneficial, what is good and what will be left??? Dirt and dirt-bags. The WTS has proved that they are not noble, not just, not honest in their dealings and control is better if it divides. WTS is divisive, is ignoble and hates what is good, beneficial, clean - one hell of an organization. They alienate, ignore, neglect the innocent in behalf of "not causing division."

It is Better to cause division for what is noble than to cause division for what is evil and wicked. It is not better to ignore, neglect what in reality divides so that there is an illusion of no division. Nothing is as complicated as it looks. Pedophiles are criminals and any toleration, support, over-looking of this is just plain common sense wrong and if it causes a division let that division be for what is Noble. It is better than standing by and WATCHing.

Bill and all of you who had the courage to stand up and be noble are not to be "commended" for doing what is just being a slave to God as you should be. Then you would be big fat "egos" like the rest of them. You are better than that!

Pedophiles love the WTS and the brothers & sisters tolerance of them. And that is the only love they have right now. If they had the love of God, or LOVE for God and his righteousness this site would be full of remorse, repair, and words of humility from the WTS, the pedophiles, all those who support the pedophiles and have shunned the innocent victims and caused so much DIVISION.

To my knowledge not one JW Pedophile has wrote to the victims on this web site with remorse for the division HE CAUSED, between a victim and her conscience, between members of the congregation and their conscience. Let alone make restitution voluntarily. A truly remorseful, "godly" pedophile would have turned himself into the police - need I say more??? And would have stopped the division he caused.

Who is running this one hell of an organization???

I do not have to love my neighbor anymore than what the ten commands dictate to me. This embracing, protecting, this sympathy and "compassion" is phoney worldly love and is in direct opposition to Jehovah's principals of love in conjunction with the fruit of the spirit. Love is responsible not an excuse to be irresponsible, or to demand irresponsibility. Crazy-making and confusion. Chaos - yes it is chaos. Organized chaos and confusion. On the surface organized to hide the chaos and confusion lying LIES beneath the surface.

Bill projects a real Christian love that requires sacrifice and fearlessness of faith. This has helped me to believe that there are noble men and women and now I don't feel so "divided spiritually" or "divided off" like an Alien in the chaos. The example of love and faith on this site is encouraging to seekers of real Christian love and what is means to have real faith in God.

If a person loves the WTS or their brother more than God - of what use are they?? If they show more love for a pedophile than the innocent how are they any different, and how are they reflecting the love of God but as a hypocrite. Fear of man is not faith in Jehovah or the love of God but only the fear of man. Fake love is the fear of man, real love knows and puts their trust in Jehovah to show them the right action to take and trust that Jehovah will back them up when they do it. What bigger test than to take the organization that alienated the innocent in the name of Jehovah and exercise faith in Jehovah by doing what is RIGHT? Fake love fears the truth and does nothing to right a wrong. For the love of God you cannot do wrong & get away with it.

IT WAS THE IGNOBLE ACTS OF WTS, THE ELDERS WHO DID NOTHING, AND THE SHEEP WHO STAND BY AND WATCH THAT HAVE CAUSED THE DIVISION IN THE CONGREGATIONS. Not Bill, Not the innocent who want justice, not the ones who would not stand for it and stood up to it.

Amen

Remote User:
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01 Jun 2002
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17:29:50
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The WTS (Watch Tower Society) follows what the bible says to do. I am sorry if you think this should have been handled differently than the bible (God's word) says to handle it. The WTS have and are trying the best that they can to make sure these kind of things don't happen. The WTS has never offered money to anyone to keep them quiet, etc. The WTS is headed by humans so mistakes can be made. But the society as a whole follows what the bible says.

Remote User:
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01 Jun 2002
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To all of you who have posted above, ponder this:

This is why I am not a organizational Witness. You creatures do not even comprehend the concept of taking responsibility for your actions. As long as your "Elders" don't decide to have an issue with your conduct you don't care.

To entertain your 1Tim 5:19 defense shows how willfully stupid you all are. That is exactly what disgusts me about you creatures!

If it were adult males in your self-indulgent delusional world that were being hunted, preyed upon, and violated you would have an entirely different outlook on this. Sadly pathetic, and archaic as it is, women and children are nothing more that chattel in your organization. (I will not even give it a Capital anymore.) JW's your behavior and your values are disgustingly vile. They are an abomination to our Lord and true Christians and around the World.

PLEASE people I am begging you in the name of Christ and the one who sent him. Put down your Man Made Literature and pick up the Bible. You are being misled. YOU HAVE MINDS USE THEM!

Remote User:
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01 Jun 2002
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18:05:45
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I encourage you all to visit the Watch Tower's website. The address is www.watchtower.org . You are now visiting a website that doesn't agree with and is against Jehovah's Witnesses so make sure you hear both sides. The Watch Tower website doesn't have is much material on the subject of whether or not they are covering up child molester. But they do have information on it. They have all the different articles they have put out for years telling about child molesters: How to watch for them, and how Jehovah's Witnesses feel about them. Please give both side a chance and give as much attention to finding out about were Jehovah's Witnesses stand as you do about what they do wrong. This is the letter the Watch Tower Society sent to Dateline: http://www.jw-media.org/releases/rgreenberg020702.pdf . This is a letter telling what and why Jehovah's Witnesses position on child molestation is http://www.jwmedia.org/releases/default.htm?content=bg_molestation.htm .

Remote User:
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01 Jun 2002
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I like the site and hope it helps all

Remote User:
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01 Jun 2002
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18:15:42
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I partly agree with the man or woman that wrote (a few up) to put down man made literature and pick up the bible. We all should look in the bible for the answer to everything in life. But the literature that comes from Jehovah's Witnesses comes from the bible. The literature is just a bible aid to discuss bible topic and then the literature gives you the scriptures were all the information is found. I encourage all to ask Jehovah's Witnesses about any of their beliefs and where they are found in the bible. If you do this in a respectful way any Witness will be happy to answer your questions. You can also visit www.watchtower.org which will explain some of our beliefs.

Remote User:
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01 Jun 2002
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18:42:46
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When is this information going to get into the general media. The makes the Catholic Church priesthood look like "kids" play.

Remote User:
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01 Jun 2002
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18:43:30
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When is this information going to get into the general media. This makes the Catholic Church priesthood look like "kids" play.

Remote User:
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01 Jun 2002
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18:46:29
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. A truly remorseful, "godly" pedophile would have turned himself into the police - need I say more??? And would have stopped the division he caused.

**This is a really good point. I never thought of that. I should have. I remember one sister who, before she was baptized, had many affairs with other men. Upon the "suggestion" of the elders, she told her husband and asked him to forgive her. She told me it had been a requirement for her to be baptized. (I suppose I should have "turned myself in" too, but I have to admit I am rather glad I never opened -my- mouth about what I did before I started studying! I'd still be apologizing! To everyone! I was pretty bad.)

You are so right. If an abuser is really sincere, he will -want- to go to the elders, he will -want- to turn himself in to the police; he will -want- to write a simple NON SELF SERVING apology to the victim and her family, and then stay the hell away from them - for good. There are probably other things a molester can do to show his sincere sorrow, but I think much of that depends on what the victim (or should I say survivor?) desires. At no point should the molester force his apology on the victim. Never. At no point should the molester rationalize his behavior. Hey, my father was molested repeatedly when he was a child; I can understand -why- he might have done the same to me, but that doesn't mean he should have. He was an extremely intelligent man and most certainly knew that what he had done was unspeakable. A four year old innocent girl. No wonder I'm crazy. How do you ever really get over something like that? None of my family believes me, either. I'm just the sick one, the pathetic one, the trouble maker. (All non-Witnesses, by the way.)

I kind of changed gears here, I'm sorry. I just am so stupid; it never dawned on me that a sincerely repentant molester would willingly pay the price for his crimes - whatever that price might be.

Remote User:
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01 Jun 2002
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18:47:34
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Witnesses always talk about being shown respect. As my Mother puts it, "They would be given respect by us if there was anything to respect."

Respect is earned.

Remote User:
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01 Jun 2002
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18:57:42
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For one example, people are not disfellowshipped for about anything they do, they are disfellowshipped for doing something really bad and not being repented

**This is simply not true. I know of many sincerely repentant Witnesses who got the ax anyway, and I hate to say it, but it was almost always a woman. A single woman. I think the only person lower in the congregation than a single woman who has no family in the truth is an abuse victim crying for help. No one has the courage to deal with them. And that's right?????

And why on earth should a victim and her family be "repentant" for doing what they have a moral obligation to do before God and their fellow citizens by reporting a case of abuse? That's a SIN? Uh......I don't think so. You're heart is in the right place but you need to rethink that statement.

Remote User:
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01 Jun 2002
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I was sexually assaulted by a servant who was appointed by the Holy Spirit of JW's while I was a child. Later The Holy Spirit of JW's promoted him to be Presiding Overseer (PO).Later in a phone call to a Governing Body member,Bro. Jackson told me to write down on Selective Service papers that my PO had baptized me, which was a big Fib.I refused!

My mother on her death bed said she couldn't do anything about the molester back then, as she needed his mother as a friend.

The last time I went to a Kingdom Hall was for Mom's funeral service, she got preached as a zealous witness with a hope of earthly resurrection. Rev.21:8 "But as for the cowards and those without faith... will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur. This means the second death."

Where's my MOM? WTguineaPIG@ziplip.com

rest of story at www freeminds.org sex abuse page July 23,2001

Remote User:
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01 Jun 2002
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I was sexually assaulted by a servant who was appointed by the Holy Spirit of JW's while I was a child. Later The Holy Spirit of JW's promoted him to be Presiding Overseer (PO).Later in a phone call to a Governing Body member, Bro. Jackson told me to write down on Selective Service papers that my PO had baptized me, which was a big Fib.I refused!

My mother on her death bed said she couldn't do anything about the molester back then, as she needed his mother as a friend.

The last time I went to a Kingdom Hall was for Mom's funeral service, she got preached as a zealous witness with a hope of an earthly resurrection. Rev.21:8 "But as for the cowards and those without faith... will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur. This means the second death."

Where's my MOM? WTguineaPIG@ziplip.com

rest of story at www freeminds.org sex abuse page July 23,2001

Remote User:
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01 Jun 2002
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20:13:29
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Thank you Kevin - Finally a letter of remorse. Read my comments for June 1st - asking for where are the letters of remorse. Had not read your letter before I wrote mine.

You may get letters of rage - this will be good for you and the person who writes them. Better people are enraged with you then to be tolerant and "love you for who you are" if you know what I mean.

For me it showed "them" meaning them as in WTS, them as in standing by and doing nothing, them meaning the pedophiles who con the suckers who tolerate them etc....as to what is the "right" thing to do when you do something this destructive to another human being - even if you are imperfect.

You put egg on the face of it. This is good.

Being imperfect is no excuse for doing what is unquestionable wrong and no excuse for acceptance of doing horrible and terrible acts upon a child. And being imperfect is no excuse for not having sincere remorse and showing it. You know it, I know it.

You know that, now why is it the pedophiles in congregation don't know it, or the WTS, or the Elders????

Anyway you set an example of "the letter" I was looking for and maybe these JW's that visit this site calling Bill gay, an apostate, everyone a bunch of whiners, liars etc...would kindly ask themselves why there is only one letter of remorse from a pedophile and an ex-JW at that. I know the answer.

Only a liar is afraid of the truth. That is why they lie. You are not afraid of the ugly truth even if it is about you, even if you are hated for telling the truth about your ugly deeds - you are cleaner than a person who supports & tolerates this or does it and never comes to remorse.

Remote User:
Date:
01 Jun 2002
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21:02:29
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Bill Bowen,

Is Missouri one of the 16 states that require reporting?

Remote User:
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01 Jun 2002
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21:59:04
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Bill, thank you very much for the hard work past, present and future. It's by no means over. This organization by its own testimony in the '39 Salvation book claimed that holy spirit wasn't necessary now the Organization had been identified (1918). Whatever good Russell did has long gone. The wts is bound for its own Armageddon and there will be a lot of work for you to do, they are masters of the half-truth. I don't know what the best way of organizing is but I would assume that would require some serious money.

As for the JW molestation rate of 23,720 cases (another report I heard was 2 cases in each congregation on average) this is just the tip of the iceberg.

I'd like to throw my hat in the ring. Dunno what I can do. The cases of the two JW sisters that has haunted me for years still haunts me. I emailed one to see if she wants to sue. I could help her with that but my guess is there will be too much pain for her and her family to go through. She went through enough the first time.

Thank you for all your hard work.

Peace

Deleted.

glen@greenstead. com

SAY NO TO DISFELLOWSHIPPING!

Remote User:
Date:
01 Jun 2002
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22:18:07
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In New Mexico, Dateline was preempted by a basketball game, and the local station did NOT announce the change or the info contained so I didn't get to see it Do you know how I can get a copy? sandimylife@hotmail.com My story is long and I have been beaten by elders for 30+ years, so this is not my real name.

Remote User:
Date:
02 Jun 2002
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00:15:24
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Bro. Bowen:

I'm not sure if you are aware of this but this past week the society announced to all congregations during the service meeting the organization's position on child molestation. It was very succinct and to the point. You can find this information at http://www.jw-media.org/releases/default.htm?content=bg_molestation.htm.

It is apparent to me that you have started your organization in hopes of exposing a flaw. With the above mentioned release I think that your efforts have seen some results although I know you are in no way looking for self gratification. The brothers including the governing body are not perfect as you know. They are all working as shepherds surrounded by a dark world; Satan's world. At times what may be viewed as impropriety or a lack of concern is simply the fruition of this wicked system of things.

I am not so audacious so as to say that these efforts of yours have been Jehovah's direction, however there has been light shed on this matter that appears to be a change in thinking from years past. Does this mean then that Jehovah's organization or Kingdom arrangement is imperfect? No, certainly not. It simply means that human imperfection has crept into Jehovah's perfect arrangement. Sometimes our brothers get caught up in trying not to make a mistake or rushing into something without Jehovah's direction, that we loose sight of the spiritual common sense that Jehovah has helped us cultivate with spiritual maturity.

With all this said even if there is some serious wrongdoing, remember 2 Corinthians 11: 12-15.

“Now what I am doing I will still do, that I may cut off the pretext from those who are wanting a pretext for being found equal to us in the office of which they boast. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself keeps transforming himself into an angel of light. It is therefore nothing great if his ministers also keep transforming themselves into ministers of righteousness. But their end shall be according to their works.”

That's right ‘there end shall be according to their works.' Jehovah will take care of those that have been in fact covering over matters or have been ‘deceitful workers.'

In reading your letter to the governing body two of the three mandates you proposed have now been acted upon. The third being restriction from the door to door activity would be contrary to the scriptural commandment found at Matthew 28:19-20.

“Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU all the days until the conclusion of the system of things.”

Asking anyone that is in good standing regardless of their past to not share in the preaching work would be contrary to this commandment. Furthermore, adopting such a policy would exclude any person that has committed a serious wrong from the preaching work. In God's eye a sin is a sin. As you know fornicators, adulterers and so on will not inherit God's kingdom. This of course includes those abusing children.

Although it sickens me greatly to think that human imperfection has marred Jehovah's Organization, I will not let this weaken my faith nor should you. There simply is nothing else out there. If being a Jehovah's Witness does not lead down the narrow path that few are finding then it simply does not exist!

My point to all this is that things are not perfect, mistakes are certainly made but at some point we as human beings can sometimes become addicted to tragedy and chaos. Why do you think there are so many television programs that focus on human tragedy? Don't become addicted to the buzz around stirring the pot. I say this not to cover or sweep serious issues under the rug, but rather to say that the issue has finally been addressed. Elders are now instructed to report to the authorities any behavior of this nature and to use any two separate accusations as being two witnesses in fulfillment of the instructions given in Matthew.

Isaiah 55:8-9

“For the thoughts of YOU people are not my thoughts, nor are my ways YOUR ways,” is the utterance of Jehovah. “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so my ways are higher than YOUR ways, and my thoughts than YOUR thoughts.”

Jehovah does know what is best for us. We must not loose sight of this. This wicked system and its god will continue to try to thwart us from gaining salvation. Times such as these truly do remind us that these are the “last days.” In your some 40 plus years of service I am sure that you know this. Don't let the mistakes of men rob you of your goal as well as that of your family.

Sincerely,

Your brother

Remote User:
Date:
02 Jun 2002
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Here, in San Jose, CA, the Mercury news featured an article about a disfellowshipped JW women who chose to see her daughter (raised in the JW faith and left, at age eighteen)and wrote a book about her experiences. Subsequently, I wrote the journalist, R.Scheinin, that Ms Wilson's--disfellowshipping--experiences, though factually valid, were not earth shaking (despite the fact her husband reported her). Rather, rampant alcoholism, adultery, fornication(both hetero and homosexual), and pedophilia/pederasty were the true shocking and scandalous skeletons. It was pointed out that all this immorality is "swept under the rug" in order to appear before the world as "without spot" "free of sinners", which is, of course, a patent lie (no organized religion is free from the spot of sin). The following week Dateline's story broke (5/28/02). My heart aches for these poor children and their parents, who, like it as not, are emotionally scarred for the duration of their natural lives. There is no valid excuse for these developments. Organizationally, it is far too easy for these uneducated, inexperienced, empathically dead elders to practice the one simple rule that would release them from all potential scandal: "When in doubt--through them out!" What dumb founds me is why this practice is ignored, allow the matter to compound , violate "Caesar's law", and employ the excuse the Catholic Church uses with regard the sacrosanct confessional; which to my knowledge and decades of association, the Watchtower has categorically denied and refused to acknowledge the act of repentance as one and the same thing. Now they are? I say the following knowing full well how difficult it would be for some to follow, but the sole means to get the international Watchtower to acknowledge the heinous conspiracy and cover up is to put as many of these 23 thousand, and counting, cases into Superior and Federal Courts across the land--and make it very public (this is what caused the Catholic Church to flinch, finally). There is one thing the Watchtower HQ fears, with deep dread, is publicity and loosing face before the world of on-lookers. The Bible, both Old and New Testaments, is emphatically clear--the truth must always come to light (remember the reasons for the Prophets and Jesus Christ). In order for the truth to prevail, it must be brought before Caesar's rule(s) of criminal law. Contrary to what the Watchtower spokesmen stated, pedophilia/pederasty are not modern day social problems, they have been with the human race since Adam commenced inseminating both Eve and many of his own daughters (remember where Canaan got his wife, after slaying Able), and set the paternal example for his subsequent sons.

Thank you for the courageous website and personal courage. Please keep up the work of forwarding the truth, so many others may be set free (John 8:23); or a least on guard for their children's safety!

Sincerely submitted,

R. Peterson

Remote User:
Date:
02 Jun 2002
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00:26:49
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Witnesses always talk about being shown respect. As my Mother puts it, "They would be given respect by us if there was anything to respect." Respect is earned? I don't understand what you mean. How have Jehovah's Witnesses not earned respect?

Remote User:
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02 Jun 2002
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00:31:09
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Dear R.

I would like for you to tell me more about disfellowshipping and how I'm wrong?

I would appreciate that very much?

Remote User:
Date:
02 Jun 2002
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00:31:18
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Dear R.

I would like for you to tell me more about disfellowshipping and how I'm wrong?

I would appreciate that very much?

Remote User:
Date:
02 Jun 2002
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00:31:24
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Dear R.

I would like for you to tell me more about disfellowshipping and how I'm wrong?

I would appreciate that very much?

Remote User:
Date:
02 Jun 2002
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00:35:30
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Of course no group of people are without spots. But as a whole Jehovah's Witnesses try to maintain a clean life that follows the bible (god's word). Many people are disfellowshipped each year for what they do wrong that is why the organization can stay clean. We are all humans so we all do make mistakes.

Remote User:
Date:
02 Jun 2002
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03:38:02
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A part of this that also makes this issue especially bad is that these pedophiles know that the congregation won't turn them and won't advise the child's parents to turn them in. So basically they can do what ever they want & if the child can come forward & speak up they know that they still are going to get away with it. In our hall a number of years back an elders son threatened another elders daughter that if she said anything about him raping her that he would ruin her fathers reputation in the hall. So not only was he abusing her physically he was also holding her hostage until she finally couldn't hold it in anymore. Basically the victims family just changed congregations so they didn't have to continue to look at the guy as he came in & commented away at every meeting. The witnesses need to WAKE UP and realize that what has been going on is not acceptable to Jehovah and it is now being dealt with even if it makes you feel uncomfortable because it's being done publicly. Victims need to speak out - they can't continue to be held hostage by these MONSTERS! and PLEASE LEAVE ANY JUDGING TO JEHOVAH! Could it be that you just don't know all of the facts and besides name calling and abusive speech will not impress anybody and just reflects on your heart condition.

Remote User:
Date:
02 Jun 2002
Time:
03:38:11
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In response to:

"IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION PLEASE GO TO ONE OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES AND ASK THEM THE QUESTION SO THEY CAN EXPLAIN"

How? By opening this book full of pre-chewed answers????

Remote User:
Date:
02 Jun 2002
Time:
04:02:15
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Hi again,

Mistakes...Imperfection...We are NOT talking about this! We are talking about Criminal Behavior!!!! The watchtower web site...Yes I have been there. I read all the information they had posted!!

The facts speak for themselves!! So many refuse to consider what we are saying I want to say YOU ARE IN DENIAL. What we hate is the behavior (pedophilia) and the cover up. As a TRUE Witness of Jehovah I am telling the truth.

If I even started to tell the things I have seen beyond what I have submitted here you probably scream that I was a liar...You must realize I am not the only witness to what is going on where I live...but you probably still scream I was twisting things...Just because you (some JW) call us liars doesn't make it so.

Regardless what you think the facts speak for themselves. THERE ARE PEDOPHILES IN THE CONGREGATIONS. In Proverbs 22:3 gives very timely advice " Shrewd is the one that has seen the calamity and proceeds to conceal himself but the inexperienced have passed along and must suffer the penalty." Do you (JW's) want to suffer the penalty?Do not refuse to consider what we are saying here!!

Listen to Proverbs 21:13 " As for anyone stopping up his ear from the complaining cry of the lowly one he himself also will call and not be answered." The organization and most JW's are stopping up their ears to us. Doing this carries chilling consequences for not listening to the lowly ones...when they call Jehovah will not answer them!!! Do you (JW's) want this? DJB

Remote User:
Date:
02 Jun 2002
Time:
06:21:35
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A Silent Lamb Speaks:

While I've made comments in the Guestbook here in the past - this one will be different...it's personal!

Earlier today I finished my personal preparation for Sunday's (tomorrow's) WT lesson. It's been a challenging study - not because the content is deep and maybe difficult to fully understand but because I **KNEW** this material so intimately! It has always been my belief that Jehovah does find ways to make the truth of his words in the Bible known to all those looking for that truth. So I find it to be a bit of his divine guidance in the timing of some recent events. For me, this WT article fits right in there with Dateline's 5/28th show and the purpose behind this silentlambs website. But's it's my tears that bring me to posting at this site now - when it's 3AM here and my meeting's just six hours from now! Sleep is not finding me tonight.

THIS is my life now. Sleep is often hard to get. If it's not the emotions from all I've survived, it might be the nightmares that still come in my sleep, or it's often the pain that wracks my body constantly... regardless the cause, I have found that writing about it helps me to get some rest.

I've been divorced now for almost 3 years. I used to think getting the divorce would help give me some closure to the awful events that preceded it. I don't think that way anymore. There's a lot of things I don't do anymore. I don't sew all of my own clothes nor my children's clothing anymore, just like I don't write with my hands much either now, or knead fresh made bread dough, or do all the crafts I loved or even manage all those little round the house fixit jobs that I used to do. My hands no longer work like they are supposed to - taken from me by my abuser (now my ex-husband). And for those now thinking "how's she writing this then?" I have an adapted computer...literally a godsend! I love working with my hands, especially writing...the loss of that ability has been severely traumatic. I used to go for walks with my kids - can't do that now either. For now a cane helps me with the few steps I take in one time, and docs warn me it will only get worse as many old injuries are showing signs of degenerative arthritis. I used to love going lots of places and doing lots of things all the time - now it's a challenge just to get myself dressed, to care for my family, to do most of the simplest everyday sorts of things! But all of that pales in comparison to the feelings that hit me when one of my kids excitedly runs up to me and gives me a great big bear hug (forgetting how much it will hurt me) and I fight the urge to cry out in pain and struggle to replace it with something close to my former mom hugs - I don't quite get there, but we know I'm trying.

But I've sidetracked a bit... I was talking about Sunday's WT study article: "Guide Your Steps By Godly Principles" Paragraph 2 - God finds delight in intelligent creatures who choose to obey him. (Proverbs 27:11) Instead of programming us to submit blindly as mindless robots, Jehovah endowed us with free will so that we can make informed decisions to do what it right. -Hebrews 5:14

I said just about the same thing during my presentation to the elders in explaining why I'd decided I could not forgive my husband nor allow him back in our home, even if they did not find him guilty of any wrongdoing.

Paragraph 5 - (in part) (referring to several of the principles God provides us in the Bible: loving God with our whole hearts, souls and minds; the Golden Rule; etc) As to everyday aspects of our life, the apostle Paul says: "Whether you are eating or drinking or doing anything else, do all things for God's glory." (1 Corinthians 10:31)

Another point I'd mentioned as I tried to explain how bad our daily home was.

Paragraph 7 - Time and again, "the word of our God" encourages us to think and act on the basis of principles. (just the first sentence, there's more)

This point of acting on the basis of principles was something I vainly repeated, especially when struggling to understand why the elders could not take the words of not just me (being only one witness), but also those of my several children who had each witnessed many other abusive acts, as a means to prove that my husband was the one lying (not me and all the kids as he was telling them).

Paragraph 10 - You have probably seen people who are inclined to obey laws grudgingly, out of fear of a penalty. Respect for principles precludes such as attitude. The very nature of principles moves those governed by them to respond from the heart. (just the beginning sense.) then gives example of Joseph refusing the advances of Potiphar's wife and how Joseph acted on principle because there was not yet a written law against adultery... We can see from his response that such principles powerfully affected him: "How could I commit this great badness and actually sin against God?" - Genesis 39:9

Used as but one example that one doesn't not need a scripture written saying that a certain sex-related act with a child is wrong. But still it was in vain.

Paragraph 11 (in part) - Guided by Bible principles, we will not look for loopholes in God's laws; nor will we imitate those who try to see how far they can go without actually breaking a certain law.

Yet this IS what my husband always was doing...and still does! But informing the elders of this had no effect either.

Paragraph 12 - Mature Christians recognize that a key to following godly principles is wanting to know how Jehovah feels about a matter. "O you lovers of Jehovah," exhorts the psalmist, "hate what is bad." (Psalms 97:10) Listing some of the things that God would classify as bad, Proverbs 6:16-19 says: "There are six things that Jehovah does hate; yes, seven things are detestable to his soul: lofty eyes, a false tongue, and hands that are shedding innocent blood, a heart fabricating hurtful schemes, feet that are in a hurry to run to badness, a false witness that launches forth lies, and anyone sending forth contentions among brothers." When a desire to reflect how Jehovah feels on such fundamentals governs our lives, living in accord with principles becomes a consistent practice. -Jeremiah 22:16

Five of these things I bore witness to that my husband was not just doing this now and then but practicing these things daily!!! My kids could also tell you of some of these things as they had each experienced many of his lies! The lies they were hurt most by and the ones that shocked them the most were those he told to the elders.

Paragraph 15 - (boy does this one make the tears fall) This example (refer to p.14 above about Jesus' Sermon on the Mount) illustrates that we should never lose sight of the intent and spirit of Jehovah's principles. We should certainly not try to earn God's favor through moral formalism. Jesus exposed the fallacy of such an attitude by pointing to God's mercy and love. (Matthew 12:7; Luke 6:1-11) Following Bible principles, we will avoid trying to live (or demand others to live)(their quote) by an extensive and rigid set of dos and don'ts that go beyond the teachings of the Bible. We will be more concerned about principles of love and obedience toward God than about the outside appearance of worship. -Luke 11:42

Did you catch that last sentence? I sure did! We WILL be more concerned about principles than about the outside appearance!!!!! So why do the elders right away when told of abuses going on want to make sure we do nothing to bring reproach on God's name or on the organization...that WE...the ones reporting to them that we are the victims of such abuse...that we would be the one's bringing such reproach if we choose to go to the police or the child protection people or whatever other authorities with this information??? WE didn't DO ANYTHING to shame Jehovah or his organization!!! ohh, the tears just won't stop now...it's a good thing I don't have to see a keyboard to write this! LOL But there's more!

Paragraph 16 (in part) - What underlies the Christian stand on those issues? (idolatry, immorality, misuse of blood) God deserves our exclusive devotion; we should be faithful to our mate; and Jehovah is the Life-Giver. (Genesis 2:24; Exodus 20:5; Psalm 36:9)

Is one being faithful to their mate if they are considering if he could make another female have an orgasm? Are you being unfaithful to your wife if you are seeking sexual pleasure from your daughters? What sort of person wonders if his infant daughter is capable of orgasms? (I stopped asking him to change diapers after that comment!!) My personal study of the Bible tells me that all of the above would stand up as violations of the principles related to being faithful to one's mate and/or not committing adultery. But I'm told I'm not scripturally free to remarry.

Paragraph 18 - Letting our life be guided by Bible principles leads to a superior way of life, which in itself may attract others to the way of God. Most important, our life course honors Jehovah. We realize that Jehovah is really a loving God who wants the best for us. When we make decisions in accord with Bible principles and see how Jehovah blesses us, we come to feel even closer to him. Yes, we further develop a loving relationship with our heavenly Father.

I am now making a decision that I believe to be in accord with Bible principles. My birth given name is Andrea Anderson. I withhold my married surname as a protection for my children still. One has totally left the truth...says she will never step foot in the Kingdom Hall because of what her father has done to her and how the elders handled it. Another is desperately seeking acceptance in worldly relationships...and being hurt by them as well...she really worries me. Another strives to be an overachiever now...as tho she must make up something lacking somewhere. They all suffer nightmares related to acts of their dad. They've been in counseling...some for years now...diagnoses of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, General Anxiety Disorder, very low self-esteem, obsessive/compulsive disorders, self-injurious behaviors and the list goes on. These are the ones that no longer have to see him!!! The younger children suffer worse!

My kids and I have found some wonderful counselors that while they are not Jehovah's Witnesses themselves, they do understand issues of faith and abuse together. They appreciate our views on many things and often will ask for our literature relating to a specific matter so they can better understand how best to help us.

I've written to the brothers in NY myself concerning this matter...several times even. Our CO got involved with these matters. And even tho the elders here and our CO then told me they did indeed believe me, there was NOTHING they could do because my husband was denying it all and even trying to turn some of the situations around to be something I'd insisted on rather than him being the one forcing it on me! To many of those particular incidents the only ones that know what really happened are me, him and Jehovah. I'd stifle my screams in pillows, and fight to keep things quiet enough so the kids were not awakened in their sleep. That was in vain too as I have since learned that some of them did hear sounds that worried and concerned them coming from our bedroom - but they are too afraid of their father to try to come in or even knock! (and the tears fall faster) But they also told me that they did discover that making one of their littler siblings cry (waking the baby, or something) did sometimes stop whatever was going on in our room if it made me come out to tend to the crying child. (they were smart kids LOL)

I know Jehovah does not want these things to go on anymore in secret...that is why Bill has been able to avoid being disfellowshipped and managed to get this information made public. (not to discount the work of all the others - they've done a great job! and I'm sure they will all be blessed by Jehovah)

Thanks in part to some of the comments here from other victims...and to Kevin(?), the man who was a pedophile and is now getting treatment and knows he cannot be around children if he's to avoid hurting them again; I've been able to determine what I think has been a hidden issue for me in all this. My ex has yet to admit to anything, or apologize to any of us (tho he once told me on the phone that he'd apologize, he would, he'd apologize for anything and everything he ever did to hurt me or the kids...just tell him what it was he had done!!!) ACK!! What it was he had done?!?!?!?!!! After countless meetings with the elders, numerous visits at the counselors' and far too many court related encounters - he claims to have no clue what he's done to us!!!! More recently he suggested that he'd be willing to admit to anything - except child molesting - and beg our forgiveness so we could become a whole family again. Does that count? I don't think so!!! My attorney once asked for a list of specific acts or incidents of abuse during our years together. When she inquired when I'd have that finished, I told her I already had ten pages, single-spaced, written on my computer and hadn't even hit the halfway mark! She suggested I just list the most traumatic events then; even that was over two pages long!

But he's still in good standing and I'm forbidden to warn anyone else of the danger he presents to others...or risk being disfellowshipped for causing divisions in the congregation or for slandering this good brother's name! What happened to acting on Bible principles? Where's the righteousness in aiding and abetting an abusive pedophile, sexual pervert, and out and out liar who claims to be one of Jehovah's witnesses?

I'm the one permanently disabled, wracked with physical pain, tormented by emotional pain, unable to work to support myself or my children, and completely unable to speak freely of what I'm dealing with to those I see as my only family. (while he goes about freely as tho he's done nothing but be injured himself by a wife throwing him out of the house!) If I am to speak of what I've survived it must be online or with those not in the truth. I need more than that to completely heal from all of this. I need to do everything possible to prevent him from gaining any future victims. I need to feel accepted by my spiritual family for making the right decision when I chose to force this man from our home. I would also like retribution paid to me and my kids by those who hurt us - but I'll manage without that one. It just seems appropriate tho. Like a couple others have said here; IF a person accused of doing these awful things to children REALLY was repentant about what he'd done then he would VOLUNTEER to repay the victim for everything he'd caused because of his selfish perverted act(s)! He'd come forward and accept his punishment. He would keep himself away from children. And he'd even agree to never contact the ones he'd hurt if that's what they wanted or needed in order to heal from the damage he caused them. That is what a TRUE Christian would do. Without this, I feel violated over and over, every time I go the hall, every time I run into someone from the congregation somewhere else - I feel the degradation and the pain of everything my husband did to me...and to my children...all over again because of the way it was handled by the elders and the brothers in NY. I feel shamed for what I allowed my husband to do! I feel guilty for bringing it out to the brothers that I thought would help us. I feel guilty because I reported it to the police, because I sought a protection order against a "brother in good standing", because I took steps to stop the abuse, to stop the violence, and to protect myself and my children! What have I done wrong? NOTHING! I've followed Bible principles! If I can't talk about it ALL then the badness festers inside me and literally makes me ill because I know it's so wrong to keep it in. Even Jehovah tells us to put away all badness (how can I if there is no closure to the abuses we suffer?)! To heal I must get it out...all of it...I've been praying for this and I sincerely feel that it is Jehovah's time for cleaning house regarding these matters! I must now pray for the strength to get through this and stand strong and be silent no more!

And now that I'm rather cried out (thanks ever so much to those of you taking the time to read all this) and feeling like I need a nap, I'll end this personal post and get some rest before the meeting in just a few hours. :)

Agape & Philia, AD

Remote User:
Date:
02 Jun 2002
Time:
08:44:46
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The night that the Dateline story was to air, it was replaced by the NBA playoffs. I was disappointed, hopefully I can get a VHS copy. I have been reading the experiences posted on your web site, there is unquestionably a common thread that runs through all of these experiences. Although I never have heard of any sexual abuse while I was a Witness, I did witness and complained about mental and physical abuse that was happening right in front of everybody's eyes in the Kingdom Hall. I saw children being smacked on the side of the head for falling asleep at evening meetings, dragged to the back of the Hall and hearing the child being beaten repeatedly. They were openly being victimized with nobody to help them because you are not to interfere with a parent disciplining his or her children. Don't get me wrong, there were times when I saw children that were clearly out of control and needed to be removed from the main hall so as to not be a disturbance. You could sense though, that the parents in these abusive cases seemed to get off of humiliating and smacking their children around, made a person wonder what happened when they got home. Although many would brag on how well behaved these children were, as time progressed almost without exception these same kids by the time they reached their 20's never stepped back in a Kingdom Hall again, any question why? I disassociated myself from the organization earlier this year after being a JW for 28 years, 25 of them as an active Witness. I feel that it is a shame that a place that claims to be a refuge and should be, ends up being a memory of harsh treatment and ignorance. Even though a person has never seen or heard of sexual abuse to children in the organization, doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, the chemistry is definitely there!

Cliff Moore camre@mchsi.com

Remote User:
Date:
02 Jun 2002
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11:03:29
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To the one who signed “Your Brother” and posted the Watchtower's new molestation policy to let us know everything is now fixed, it's over and back to business as usual.

I have some questions:

Many of us had to deal with not just the elders, not just the circuit overseers, but also the Watchtower Society up close and personal on the sexual abuse issue. We got a glimpse behind the veneer and found it to be a very ugly experience.

It is like finding a very dirty kitchen at your favorite restaurant; you are going to be very leery of eating there again. Hearing that they finally got around to washing one pan will not make you feel much better.

So I have some questions:

1) What about the VICTIMS? Will the society have any consideration for the broken humanity they have left in the wake of their past mistakes? Will victims and their families, friends and supporters be left disfellowshipped, disassociated, inactive and still under the threat of silence? In what way will the congregations now act like the “good neighbor” of the Samaritan story?

2) If there are not two witnesses and the accused denies the charges to the elders and the victim wishes to report to the police will the society continue to use the accusation of slander to silence victims? This has not been addressed directly by the society. It is “your absolute right” is not the same, as you will continue to receive our support.

3) Will the pedophiles being repentant include agreeing to never contact the ones he'd hurt if that were what they wanted or needed in order to heal from the damage he caused them? (These words are those of Andrea in the story just above) Or will they continue to see him every week if they have the courage to go to the Kingdom Hall?

4) Will the victims and their families continue to hear talks on “Forgiveness” directed at them? Will they be allowed the dignity of human beings in deciding when and if they chose to forgive?

5) Will the victims have the right to discuss their terrible suffering with the friends in the hall? Will talks be given on the evils of coercing victims into silence and will each member understand their complicity in this crime of silence?

6) What about the elders who lacked “spiritual common sense” and ethics in so many of these cases and yet accused others of having that problem? Will those same mouths continue to deliver talks and give counsel? It does make a difference to the spiritual health of the congregation for... out of the hearts abundance the mouth speaks.

7) And if you expect me to get on with my life and forgive those involved in this ugly cover up I need a personal apology. I need to see acts of repentance from the elders, the Circuit Overseer and the Watchtower Society. I have read the Insight book on Repentance and Forgiveness and I believe this request is valid.

The restaurant is full everyone is eating their meal, many don't know and many others don't want to know that the kitchen is filthy. The kitchen staff is trying to silence us. They blame us for getting a glimpse inside that mess. Why don't they just clean the kitchen?

Remote User:
Date:
02 Jun 2002
Time:
12:45:39
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I was sexually molested by my mothers brother when I was 7. "HOMER YOUNG." He molested myself, my sister, and 2 female cousins. It was a hush hush operation and he was put on the plane shortly after the discovery. We were all members of the JW congregation in Fairbanks Alaska. Today I am 49 and I can't believe the way I am treated by my own family. When I realized what had happened, even my sister Pam told me that I would make anything up. She's too dumb to realize the truth. I don't speak to my family, I'm the black sheep because I stand up for myself. My so-called uncle was never prosecuted, just tucked away in California. He now has a wife, and children. I wonder if he has abused them as well? Alaska

Remote User:
Date:
02 Jun 2002
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13:36:36
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Keep up the good work!! This site is needed, and has been of great value to so many. May God bless you and guide you in your endeavor to expose these evil cults for what they are....Well Done

Remote User:
Date:
02 Jun 2002
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13:45:11
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contunier a faire ce bon travail car Jah est le Dieu de verite il est de votre cote bon courage

Remote User:
Date:
02 Jun 2002
Time:
14:18:29
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to all bragging about the real way wts and Jaws handle disfellowshipping....

the stories here...at the mouths of a MULTITUDE of witnesses....are about what is PRACTICED as opposed to what is PREACHED

i was threatened with disfellowshipping if I even reported the truth about the cover ups to another elder outside the committee....and the same for reporting to authorities

i used to think like you

until I was SHOWN differently...repeatedly

they would not listen to the several witnesses that were offered

they "didn't have to" they were "appointed by holy spirit"

and the threats of disfellowshipping were on the phoney grounds of "lying" and "apostasy" for not submitting to the infallibility of the committee

one knew the truth by what was reported to him by my daughter

he was silenced

another came to me in tears ...apologizing....cuz he knew the truth of the matter ...even without my daughter's testimony....he said he had to act and speak in unity with the committee or he would no longer be an elder....he was threatened too

telling us further lies...and quoting the society when you do it ...does nothing to restore our faith in you and your lying organization

just the opposite

Remote User:
Date:
02 Jun 2002
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15:05:14
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So please/relieved to see your website. I write from England and have encountered similar. Including a lack of understanding and help for domestic violence - to my great harm and my children. Regarding the child sexual abuse, its the same in England. Perpetrators are left to roam. One even frequently and openly posed as a policeman in uniform and whilst on the ministry tried to abuse a child pretending to be from the police. I have read the BERRY case, it is outrageous. I too have left WT, I could not cope any longer with the lack of support and especially great lack of spiritual support. Even the Catholic Church are addressing this problem. WT ought to hand their heads in shame especially ANYONE that is in a congregation and making the conscious decision to ignore this. Where is your humanity and compassion for vulnerable children and where on earth is your sense of justice and also the protection of children. We are ALL responsible, individually in LAW and not only that but to GOD. Surely this must cross your mind. These matters have to be reported, as unpleasant as it might be for the individual, its nothing in comparison to what the child victims are suffering. Children are the future, if YOU don't tell, they will when they are older. Don't delay, report it TODAY. FROM, heilprakterin@blueyonder.co.uk 2nd JUNE 2002.

Remote User:
Date:
02 Jun 2002
Time:
16:00:05
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TO AGAPE & PHILIA,

I was very touched by your stand and decision to share your story. I was also horrified by what you went through. Even though I was abused physically as a child in my home and sexually abused by my uncle(still a JW w/ wife and a daughter) I can not imagine what you or your daughters went through. I was shocked to read you are still an active JW. I was disfellowshipped at 15- I'm now 26 and couldn't find it in my heart or conscience to return. Please don't think that I'm saying you are wrong for staying a JW, I was just surprised. I remember enjoying the association with some in the cong. At times I run into those I've known since I was 4 or 5 and act as if they have seen a ghost. It hurts but I made a decision to stay DF'd and expect the reaction. Enough about me- You made mention of court and lawyers. Did you sue your ex? Or was he brought up on charges of any abuse- you or your children? If so what was the outcome? Is it still pending? I wasn't silent when my abuse happened, because my father caught it in the act. God only knows how far or how long it would have been before it stopped. But still nothing was done. In reference to it being hard for you to sleep- I can relate. Just the flash of his face in my dreams makes me not want, or not able to sleep. I told my mother that I don't blame her because she was being the "submissive wife." It took many years to come to that decision. I applaud you in removing such a horrible person from you and your children's lives!!!!! I hope you will heal emotionally, and hope the same for your children!!!! I wish you well and Jehovah will see your heart and I hope he brings you peace.

With true love,

Jesika Thoman Dallas,Tx

Remote User:
Date:
02 Jun 2002
Time:
16:31:12
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This article was printed in 1999 October in a college news letter called New Thinkers Newsletter from a former college student who is a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses Organization. This letter was verified with a phone discussion. Names and dates where deleted purposely to avoid legal action against New Thinkers Newsletter. The girl named J. was afraid of being shunned if this secret came out about her hall.

*** I remember not long ago in my hall , there was an incident that shocked everyone and no one said anything . It is my belief and still is, that everyone was afraid to speak up in fear of reprisals. A young man in the south area of Sacramento was found molesting young boys that he was in care of. The parent were very upset and went to the Elders of our hall to complain. It was a horrible scandal that literally shook everyone's pillars. I personally thought he was going to prison for his actions. The young mans parents begged the Elders not to turn him into the police and the young man cried and begged also. With pleading tears the Elders said they would see into the matter. To my knowledge the children's parent was about to inform the police but the Elders told her that it was unscriptural to call the law and that is was a matter for the hall to deal with not outside authorities. They gave the scripture about how it is wrong to sue one another in the same faith. Basically, I think they wanted to hush the matter so that reproach wouldn't fall on their congregation. The young man received a demotion and a public reproving. I was shocked, We are suppose to be in subjection to God's laws and to man's law. This was clearly breaking man's law not reporting the matter to the authorities. It was quietly put aside. One of the Elders in our hall gave a talk to the congregation about gossip and subtle threats about discussing things that were of a judicial matter. Fear instilled in the hearts kept everyone silent. This was the most horrible thing I have heard in years. The children's parent was dismayed at the whole situation and I asked why she didn't do it anyway and call the police, she said she was afraid of being accused of not obeying Gods words and being called an apostate. So the police were never called and the children will have to live with this ugly memory forever. The Elders swept it under the carpet and no one spoke openly about it again. Six months later M.S. the young man was given back his former position as a ministerial servant and declared he was repentant. This is why I wrote this letter to tell everyone, and to make things worse I just found out that the Organization will send him to New York as a Bethelite. I am sick to my stomach that he is being rewarded for his actions. J. of south Sacramento ***

This letter was published and distributed to the police and to all colleges campuses in northern California beside watch groups like Silentlambs. Good luck Bill.. New Thinkers Newsletter 2002

Remote User:
Date:
02 Jun 2002
Time:
17:46:01
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This site sees to be inspired by demons.

Remote User:
Date:
02 Jun 2002
Time:
18:42:47
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Watchtower Society you wrote "No single witness should rise up against a man respecting any error or any sin .... At the mouth of two witnesses or at the mouth of three witnesses the matter SHOULD (not must) stand good." (Deu 19:15) They says Matthew 18:16 supports their idea that "should" means always must, but it says "But if he does not listen, take along with you one or two more, in order that at the mouth of two or three witnesses every matter MAY be established."

Watchtower fanatics, since when do SHOULD and MAY equal MUST? Does not the Bible say there is a time and place for everything? Don't Christ and the apostles say principles like mercy and love outweigh your Pharisaic, pro-pedophile love of laws and rules: Matthew 12:7! Stop trying to hide behind the Bible, hypocrites.

(Anyone who wants to can use what I say above freely at will.)

Remote User:
Date:
02 Jun 2002
Time:
20:36:57
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I was asked what has the JW establishment done to not earn respect. (It is so hard to hold back the digs.)

The Watchtower affiliate is given by the Watchtower multi-million, (Billion?) dollar printing press material that allows the faithful slave to think on a predetermined topic with a predetermined outcome. They misuse the Bible.

The Watchtower is selling salvation. Salvation is not for sell. It can not be bought. It can not be given. And most important... The Watchtower can not take salvation away! They misuse the free gift of God.

The Watchtower encourages and demands members to lie in order to achieve the ends of the Watchtower.

The Watchtower encourages and demands members to commit violence (Distortion of facts) and emotional distress on not just the ones that are labeled disfellowshipped but also their entire family. (That is so cruel.)

The Watchtower has infected its members to isolate themselves from the outside. Thus living in a bubble they are not able to function outside the inner circle sometimes for years.

You allow Rapists to escape atonement for their crime. Through your actions they escape justice.

You violate the ethics of love, trust, honor, promise, faith, justice, nobility, self, community, independence, freedom, loyalty, and piss me off.

You are the very definition of ignoble.

Jayson

Remote User:
Date:
02 Jun 2002
Time:
20:38:59
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I wish to thank you for this site.I have three brothers who are Jehovah's witnesses and I could never understand their ways ,This has given me better insight as to what I am dealing with.

Remote User:
Date:
02 Jun 2002
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21:18:35
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Someone said: "Remote User: Date: 18 May 2002 Time: 14:45:16 Comments I stumbled upon this site by accident, but after taking a look at some of the things you people are saying, it appears to me that you have all been overtaken by your emotions and you are trying to do everything in your powers to basically destroy all child molesters. What I mean by that is if you are or were one of JW's, then you're supposed to forgive everyone just as Christ forgave all of you. If a child molester is punished for his actions and tries to go back into his former religion, it wouldn't be loving or showing forgiveness to tell everyone in the world that the person is a child molester. Of course, it is something that everyone feels they should know, but how would you feel if someone told everyone else all the wrongdoing you have done in your life? You wouldn't like it, would you? In fact, you would probably tell that person that they are not showing love by respecting your private life. Child molestation is grouped in the same category as idolatry, fornication, etc. in the bible. So if you want to tell everyone if a person has committed the sin of child molestation, then shouldn't you also tell everyone if a person has committed idolatry or fornication? "

I say:

Being forgiven doesn't mean *not* being held accountable.

Remote User:
Date:
02 Jun 2002
Time:
21:21:27
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I was raised a Witness, It was all I knew. I married a Witness & pioneered. When it came time to find a day care for my daughter for my part time work, of course I chose a sister, because I could not trust a worldly person. In 1989 when my daughter was 4 years old, after going to this sister's house for 1-1/2 years, I found that she was being abused. Come to find out that there were a total of 5 children in the same congregation (Chicago suburb) who were being abused by the same "group" of witnesses. It was satanic ritual abuse. Horrific crimes. Stuff you only see in horror movies. These perpetrators had been my friends. I had known them my whole life. I could not believe it myself at first. But we had 5 kids ages 4 - 8 all saying the same things happened to them. I had 5 witnesses, and the elders did nothing. I had so many elder meetings, each one a bigger disappointment than the one before. They kept telling me that "these things do not happen in Jehovah's organization" , "children lie"; "we must watch pornographic movies"; "the therapists are brainwashing the children". I finally realized after about a year that they were not going to do a thing to these people. I stopped going to meetings, and so did the other parents of the abused children. We were looked down upon when we were still going to meetings. People would stare at us and gossip about us. We heard gossip that the elders were spreading about us. Now, the perpetrators, 13 years later are all in good standing in the congregation. It makes my sick to think that they are still abusing kids. I know they haven't stopped. When the elders were sitting in my living room 13 years ago I told them it would be their kids next that would be the victims. That was a terrible thing to say, but how true? About 2 years ago I ran into one of those elders who had moved to Georgia. He walked up to me and all he said was that what happened to my daughter happened to his daughter in Georgia, then he walked away. It's sad that they could have prevented it but their pride and blinded eyes got in their way. I am no longer a witness. I chose to believe that these ignorant men, who allow this to go on, cannot have the truth. My daughter still sees her therapist. She was screwed up for a long time because of what they did to her. But now she is a wonderful strong young woman. I am very proud of her. I believe that something good always comes from bad, and her strength has come from their heinous crimes. The witnesses will get what is going to them. I've been waiting 13 years for that Dateline report, and all that is still yet to come. Bravo to Bill Bowen for having the strength and courage to stand up to these men and fight for what is right. KBT Chicago, IL

Remote User:
Date:
02 Jun 2002
Time:
21:35:07
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I've just been reading some of the posts here on the website condemning the website, Bill Bowen and all of us victims. How ignorant these people are. Ignorant because they do not know what kind of an organization that they are involved in. We are not picking on the organization because of a few sick people who abuse kids. We realize that every religion has a few bad seeds. It is the society's lack of enforcing what they preach that we are protesting. They write pretty letters, make pretty comments about their tough stand on sexual abuse. But get elders in a room, faced with the evidence and they do just the opposite of their words. Get New York on the phone and report to them directly, and you get the same run around. Who are the hypocrites here? Us...for standing up for ourselves and our children, or the "brothers" for saying one thing and doing another? Do not dare to throw stones at us, you have no idea what we have been through, and evidently you are still too ignorant to investigate and find out. Keep going to your meetings, have babies, leave them with other fellow brothers and by all means have a good time.

Remote User:
Date:
02 Jun 2002
Time:
21:54:51
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As I read the comments from whom I assume are JW's I am trying so hard to come to grips with just how different we truly are. You will never be able to get into my head. To get me to transfer (slide) (shift) this subject. Forgiving is not for you elders to give. To a rape victim the real crime is the humiliation. You elders add to that humiliation. It is not the elders right to decide punishment. It is not elders right to be the law.

The power that you give to these men the elders, They are obviously totalitarians. That is so sad for you. That you would be willing to be their subjects. It is sad.

The only good thing that I can say that any JW has commented on is that it is not the law to stop the crime. It should be the law in all 50 States. It should be mandatory that rape be reported. I will do what I can to make it the Law.

I have not read where one JW, or the congregations, or the WT has said that it is sorry. Maybe I missed it, I hope so.

I have never heard a JW ever say they are sorry. Ever, for anything.

But, here I am saying that I am sorry. I am so very sorry to every victim that has been effected by these people and their wicked vision of the Bible. I am not a JW I did not hurt you or anyone. But I am a Man and a Father. I have a 3 month old baby girl. I would give my life to protect her. I would never, never put anything above protecting her. I will never abandon her. I would never blame her. I love her. I love her as my little angel. I wish you had a Father like me. Maybe I could not of stopped it from happening. But I know I would have been on your side. I know that my little girl will never be in the position of an elder telling her to forget it happened. That is so very sick. It is sadistic. I wish I could say more. I wish I could take your pain away. I have cried with you.

Jayson

Remote User:
Date:
02 Jun 2002
Time:
22:40:16
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When I was 4 years old I started getting abused by my parents best friend who was a witness and the time it went on until I was 11. He was later disfellowshipped. During that time period I was also abused by another young brother a babysitter, our neighbor another brother and at times Elder, and finally my uncle who has been an elder too. I was disfellowshipped ten years ago and have since confronted two of my abusers who cried and said how sorry they were. Well I find myself wanting to go back but cannot. I cannot allow myself to go to the meetings and assemblies and see those brothers who are in good standing still, they were only put on private reproof and had their privileges taken away, and pretend to be okay with this. If they only knew how much damage they truly did.

Remote User:
Date:
02 Jun 2002
Time:
22:47:59
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In response to all that have been abused we know how easy is is for the Witnesses to cast stones. What happened to 'A little leaven ferments the whole loaf'. I shudder to think how "safe" I felt even though I knew many other things weren't right. To think that they feel a molester can repent sickens me, a pedophile is good at words that is how he gains the trust of a child. I have come to believe after over 18 years in the "truth"(what a laugh)most would cut off their nose to spite their face. They are just not willing to see anything, so busy are they grasping and clawing for paradise when they wouldn't know paradise if they woke up there tomorrow. I have seen family after family neglect their own children while busy going door to door to "save" others. All I know is my husband and I put our children FIRST and we were thought of as obstinate "not willing to follow Jehovah's direction" Well all I can say is my children LOVE me because I put them and my husband first in my life and ran screaming from an organization that tried to convince me I was wrong.

Remote User:
Date:
02 Jun 2002
Time:
22:55:01
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We are happy that some one is finally doing something. Erik Larsen

Remote User:
Date:
02 Jun 2002
Time:
23:12:26
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I was born a 3rd generation JW. When I was 10-11 1/2, I was molested repeatedly by a member of my congregation. Some time after it happened, I went to my congregation's elders and informed them of it. They, in turn, asked the molester if there was any validity to my accusation, which he (surprisingly!) denied. The elders then came back and told me (at 13 years old, mind you) that I had misunderstood the whole incident. I was encouraged to forgive the person for the misunderstanding, and warned to be careful of what I said because I could suffer repercussions for being slanderous. I was told that to report this matter to the authorities would bring reproach on Jehovah's name. I later found out that several girls in my Kingdom Hall had been molested by this same person. Many of those girls had gone to the elders and told them of it. Many times these girls were told that the molester denied it, and that it was probably just a misunderstanding. My best friend was also molested by the same person in the same congregation. She went to the same elders and informed them of what had happened. They told her she had misunderstood the molester's intentions, and that the matter should be dealt with inside the organization. None of us saw any punishment come to our pedophile, spiritually, or legally. Some of you are Witnesses, some of you are not. I am not, but that is really neither here nor there. I believe this issue is one that has dramatically affected all of the survivors of this problem, Witness or not, and I am hoping that we can all come together in the common interest of preventing this from happening to more children. I am looking to hear from anyone who has had an experience similar to mine, or anyone who knows of an experience similar to mine. I am not looking to change anyone's religious beliefs, and I am not looking to change mine. I have a deep concern for all of you who have endured this problem in your own life and I am sure that if you can survive being abused, and then being doubly betrayed by being forced to watch your pedophile go unpunished (as are many of the cases) that you have the wherewithal to make your own decisions concerning your spirituality. Please respect my decisions as well. These people have committed CRIMES against us. They CAN be held accountable. Whether or not you feel compelled to respond to me, everyone who has suffered as a child, particularly in an instance like mine, you are in my thoughts and prayers. Consider me a sister. Heidi jhkoval@earthlink.net

Remote User:
Date:
02 Jun 2002
Time:
23:40:45
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Response to the poster who wrote:

"IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION PLEASE GO TO ONE OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES AND ASK THEM THE QUESTION SO THEY CAN EXPLAIN"

And what it the authority of their "explanation?"These people, no matter what they will tell you at the door...use only their own translation of the Bible, called the New World Translation. They have made up their own Bible to reflect their twisted beliefs. This can be verified easily by comparing most any verse referring to the Deity of Christ. I would not expect to receive any kind of TRUTH from anyone quoting scripture from this so-called Bible. God Bless you Bill and God bless the victims.

Remote User:
Date:
03 Jun 2002
Time:
00:42:29
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What REALLY frightens me is that although JW's claim that they and their God-directed organization via the "faithful and discreet slave" of Matthew 24:45-47 are truly Jehovah's servants of righteousness they can say bulls**t like this: Headquarters Receptionist: (On phone) Good afternoon, Legal Department.

LARSON: (Voiceover) Bowen calls seeking advice how to handle a suspected molestation case involving a young girl and her father. Instead of being told to report it to the police, Bowen is told to confront the suspected abuser.

(New York City; Bowen talking on phone)

Headquarters #2: (On phone) You just ask him again, `Now is there anything to this?' If he says `No,' then I would walk away from it.

Mr. BOWEN: (On phone) Yep.

Headquarters #2: (On phone) Leave it for Jehovah. He'll bring it out.

Mr. BOWEN: (On phone) Yep.

Headquarters #2: (On phone) But don't get yourself in a jam.<-------------WHAT KIND OF "GODLY" ANSWER IS THAT??? AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, WHAT WOULD JEHOVAH HIMSELF THINK OF HIS oh-so-special SERVANTS THEN?! JEHOVAH (not the WT who thinks they take the place of Jehovah) would understand that if a child abuser MIGHT be present in his house of worship that SOMETHING a decisive action needs to be taken, not just to say aloud "wait on Jehovah" and then to ask the creep whether he did it, duh, of course he would say "no" RESOUNDINGLY!!!!!! (and another point, WHY IN HECK WOULD A CHILD MOLESTER CONFESS to his deeds, when that could only mean "curtains" for him/her??????? (sarcastic tone): Brother(Elder)Tattletale walks up to Brother Guilty As Sin after the "uplifting and refreshing" Watchtower study at the Kingdom Hall. He whispers: "You know Brother, there has been accusations circling the congregation that have come to the attention of the elders. Accusations of um, how can I put it, a SEXUAL nature, loose conduct...it has been brought to our attention that while out in the field you were with the younger sisters and on a certain occasion, you inappropriately "touched" the girl. Is this true, Brother?" Brother Guilty As Sin: "Gee come to think of it, Brother Tattletale, I DID rape Sister Innocent-5-Year Old and she did try to scream and protest. I think her brother saw us but can't be sure....well I will soon repent to Jehovah and the congregation should now be allowed to hear of my sticky situation (no pun intended!) and I will gladly resign from my special position as Microphone Handler and Watchtower Study conductor....I thank you graciously for exposing me and telling all the brothers about it. Surely Jehovah will understand and because of wonderful brothers like yourself, we will now be blessed with His mercifulness."

Come on! Now no child molester, no matter how much they want to save the now-fragile "face" (reputationally speaking) of the Watchtower will confess if approached with a question like that of guilt or innocence. So, like the all-knowing Bethel brothers say: just ask whether they did it, if not, leave it alone to fester and make more brothers and sisters suffer, don't get YOURSELF caught up in it, and just sit back and pray, wait on God. Let child molesters go undeterred and just trust what he says, after all, they're in the only REAL "brotherhood" watched over by God....

Um, Jehovah's Witnesses believe THIS is the way of Jesus and His Father and that they possess the only TRUE religion?????????? Give me an Aleve and a BREAK!!!! I want to pose a question to you using a quote from the movie A Few Good Men. the movie title represents what real followers of God, NOT YOU AND YOUR TWISTED and UNSCRIPTURAL POLICY, are and not to forget the silentlambs of JW policy. If you can answer: I, along with all other people with inquiring minds want to know, the TRUTH? Can YOU handle the TRUTH? Do YOU even WANT to ACKNOWLEDGE the "TRUTH" that you teach --which is mostly half-truths and outright lies all twisted nicely to make them deceiving to millions of ears--is NOT (NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY) by any chance Jehovah's DEFINITION of TRUTH? CAN YOU HANDLE IT? Me, and countless others all have our eyes and ears ON YOU. as the saying goes-->"Believe it please, please believe it."

Remote User:
Date:
03 Jun 2002
Time:
01:36:49
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To all those who rage. I feel it too. But to rage at the JW's is like reasoning with a tree.

It is the people who do not know what these JW people's true nature that are in danger. Tell others! Tell them to look here. If they want to ask a JW that is OK. But they should read up on mind control first. They need an understanding of propaganda in all its dirty little forms. If the WT path is still what they want then that is what they will have. However they deserve all the facts. I don't need to ask but how many JW sites are willing to show both or all sides? From other Church's views? How much JW literature shows the other sides? I already know none. I have been told if I will not go to JW meetings then I have no right to talk. But will they go to any other Church? No they will not. Do they go to the Catholic's for information. No they do not. But they will attack them here and everywhere. I want to believe that there are good God feeling people in the JW camp. But the ones that I have had in my life love their WT as a god. They pay "Jehovah" lip service but their actions show what is in their hearts. I know that hurts but it is true.

(I am not defending the Catholics, just used them to make a point.)

I hope the media will keep up on this!

Remote User:
Date:
03 Jun 2002
Time:
02:29:51
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Evidence of a person's mind being controlled is that their answers or replies are exactly the same for every opposition presented, contradiction revealed or problem to solve. The ability to critically think,and use this process of thinking is disabled so that the mind can be controlled. I call it being remote controlled and the person is "remote" in real emotion, compassion and just plain common sense; remote as in can't be reached. Remote controlled just like the TV. WTS has the remote control.

The JW interchangeably use Jehovah/WTS - they do not distinguish Jehovah as being separate from the WTS. After reading "Crisis of Conscience" and how the "governing body" decides the fate of people with cruelty, injustice and manipulation I became so ashamed how I had been deceived to trust them.

You have to read the book to understand how deep the deception really is and the untrustworthiness of their decisions. It is a crime of murder what they did to the brothers in Africa while they accommodated the brothers in Mexico for the same exact "issue." Tragic and a crime. Jim Jones-ish.

I am grateful to Jehovah, not the WTS, for the Truth. WTS may be a rock crying out only. I am grateful that someone knocked on my door - but the way I have been treated, lied about, gossiped, uncared for by them has been a stumble to say the least. Not to mention the lack of love towards others. Lack of love? How about hatefulness.

I pray for God's Kingdom to come to end this misery. I keep the 10 commandments and I leave it in God's hands my fate, your fate at Armageddon. No body knows when it will come or who will be saved.

Remote User:
Date:
03 Jun 2002
Time:
03:04:25
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Hi again,

Response to June 2,02 time 21:18:35. Forgiveness for imperfections is what the bible recommends but what about more serious behaviors? The example of King Saul shows that Jehovah does not extend forgiveness forever. He told King Saul "to obey is better than a sacrifice." THERE HAD TO BE "WORKS BEFITTING REPENTANCE".

All you think about is how the offender feels and how he would not want what he did known. Everything you say if about the offender. You forget who really is the victim here. THE CHILD!!! The pedophile's reputation was wrecked the moment he sexually abused a child. It was his behavior that started it not the victim. THE PEDOPHILE SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES BEFORE HE DID THE CRIME!!! The bible tells us to "let no one suffer as a thief."

Your comments tell a lot where your sympathies lie. Are you an offender? In my experience this is a good starting place, to identify those that are pedophiles(by who they defend;where their sympathies lie, etc!!)DJB

Remote User:
Date:
03 Jun 2002
Time:
07:30:43
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dear "this site sees (sic) to be inspired by demons"

THANK YOU

the abusive step mother of my daughter told everyone the same thing about her

some of the elders parroted her

the others let the slander go unchecked...while threatening to take judicial action if i, or the children of my household took action against the terrorist abuse

for the naive JWs who deny such things happen

look at the words of your brothers/sisters in this Guestbook!

if there are any demons involved....it is those who destroy the lives of children and defend it by such hatefulness

THANK YOU for showing your true colors

Remote User:
Date:
03 Jun 2002
Time:
07:41:38
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When reading this website my exclamation was "Oh my God!" I thought I was one of few that experienced physical abuse at the hands of a spouse and was actually disfellowshipped for being a victim. I thought it was only a few congregations here in North East Ohio that had a problem with elders not listening to victims. My ex-husband remains a member in good standing after having moved to Pierre, SD. I see now this problem of abusers, be it physical, sexual, or verbal, being protected within the religion is nationwide if not worldwide. All of us victims need to speak out to help prevent detestation in the lives of future victims. Kit Nix kit@kitty.org

Remote User:
Date:
03 Jun 2002
Time:
09:43:33
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You people are so bad. Continue to fight Judas.

Remote User:
Date:
03 Jun 2002
Time:
10:18:43
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This website and those behind it are not the answer.

They claim that the problem is that the Elders and other Witnesses do not report complaints to the police.

But the police are part of Satan's element. They are motivated by job performance reviews and politics, the same with prosecutors. They don't care.

Not to mention the fact that police, prosecutors, judges and juries do more to trample the constitution and violate our rights than the El Quida have done.

The police are not the answer.

Remote User:
Date:
03 Jun 2002
Time:
10:25:27
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The answer is simple. Consider the situation with the Catholics. Why are priests even around children. They shouldn't be.

If the complaints are about Witnesses? Why is anyone not the parent around a child.

So people, stop complaining and don't let your children be around anyone but the parents.

Remote User:
Date:
03 Jun 2002
Time:
11:25:37
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Sharing your site with others. Billy Ray Ponds billyray@carolina.rr.com

Remote User:
Date:
03 Jun 2002
Time:
12:13:06
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Hello to all . I was referred here by my sister . It is awesome to see people come together from all over who have been affected by JW"S . I was abused and haunted for along time . I thank God he gave his only son JESUS CHRIST for me ! So that I could be free today . Push4jesus21@hotmail.com

Remote User:
Date:
03 Jun 2002
Time:
12:15:07
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This site is ridiculous because Bowen complains that the Society wants the elders to confront the accused. But Bowen thinks the answer is to call the police.

What will the police do? Question the accused and the accuser. And then arrest and file charges against the accused and then have a trial. At trial the accuser will accuse the accused. The jury will believe the accuser and the person will get convicted.

I call that injustice.

One person's word against another. Get some evidence. Mini cam, tape recorder.

Remote User:
Date:
03 Jun 2002
Time:
12:19:20
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From Righteousness:

When my wife's younger sisters were early teenagers, they accused their parents of physical abuse. My wife knows that the accusations were false. We don't believe every accusation.

The fact is that as many people that you can claim to have been abused, as many people have been falsely accused.

Remote User:
Date:
03 Jun 2002
Time:
12:52:03
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I see that the WT is considering some changes to policy. (Minor changes) If at a minimum all changes do not take place then:

"Social reform is the desperate decision to remove the corns of a person dying of cancer."

Karl Kraus

"A Pharisee is a man who prays publicly and preys privately."

Don Marquis

"I sit on a man's back, choking him and making him carry me, and yet I assure myself and others that I am very sorry for him and wish to lighten his load by all possible means-except by getting off his back."

Leo Tolstoy

"How many crimes merely because their authors could not admit being wrong!"

Albert Camus

"The Multitude of Offenders is their Protection."

Tomas Fuller

"It is the same thing to do a thing as not to prohibit it when it is your power."

Old Latin Proverb

To all of us

"What we all need to do is return to the Bible afresh-not going to it to prove a point, but seeing what it says as the Holy Sprit opens our eyes."

Billy Gram

"Freedom of speech and freedom of action is useless without freedom to think."

Bergen Evans

Now I will go the Book for that is what some will only look to for direction.

Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for what ever a man sows, that also shall he reap.

Galatians 6:7 (In this life OR the next)

"Woe to those who call evil good and good evil."

Isaiah 5:20 (Those who will lie for you will lie against you.)

Remote User:
Date:
03 Jun 2002
Time:
14:19:05
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Hi this is the first time I've checked out your website.The computer I'm using doesn't go to all the sites . I would not say I was as badly hurt as some. But I had similar problems.

Remote User:
Date:
03 Jun 2002
Time:
14:41:07
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INJUSTICE YOU KNOW WHAT INJUSTICE IS YOU PEOPLE THAT COME ON HERE AND SAY ITS INJUSTICE FOR THE ABUSER TO BE ACCUSED ITS WHEN YOU ARE TELLING THE TRUTH AND GOD KNOWS YOU ARE AND THE SYSTEM LETS YOU DOWN AND LETS THE PERPETRATOR GO FREE LIKE IN MY CASE THAT'S WHAT IS INJUSTICE ONLY TO BE PUT BACK WITH MY ABUSER TO BE HURT AGAIN AND AGAIN BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T CATCH HIM IT WAS MY TRYING TO COMMIT SUICIDE AFTER RUNNING AWAY FROM HOME THAT FINALLY OPENED THE EYES OF THE COURT SYSTEM THAT SOMETHING WAS WRONG HERE

Remote User:
Date:
03 Jun 2002
Time:
14:42:06
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INJUSTICE YOU KNOW WHAT INJUSTICE IS YOU PEOPLE THAT COME ON HERE AND SAY ITS INJUSTICE FOR THE ABUSER TO BE ACCUSED ITS WHEN YOU ARE TELLING THE TRUTH AND GOD KNOWS YOU ARE AND THE SYSTEM LETS YOU DOWN AND LETS THE PERPETRATOR GO FREE LIKE IN MY CASE THAT'S WHAT IS INJUSTICE ONLY TO BE PUT BACK WITH MY ABUSER TO BE HURT AGAIN AND AGAIN BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T CATCH HIM IT WAS MY TRYING TO COMMIT SUICIDE AFTER RUNNING AWAY FROM HOME THAT FINALLY OPENED THE EYES OF THE COURT SYSTEM THAT SOMETHING WAS WRONG HERE

Remote User:
Date:
03 Jun 2002
Time:
14:42:13
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INJUSTICE YOU KNOW WHAT INJUSTICE IS YOU PEOPLE THAT COME ON HERE AND SAY ITS INJUSTICE FOR THE ABUSER TO BE ACCUSED ITS WHEN YOU ARE TELLING THE TRUTH AND GOD KNOWS YOU ARE AND THE SYSTEM LETS YOU DOWN AND LETS THE PERPETRATOR GO FREE LIKE IN MY CASE THAT'S WHAT IS INJUSTICE ONLY TO BE PUT BACK WITH MY ABUSER TO BE HURT AGAIN AND AGAIN BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T CATCH HIM IT WAS MY TRYING TO COMMIT SUICIDE AFTER RUNNING AWAY FROM HOME THAT FINALLY OPENED THE EYES OF THE COURT SYSTEM THAT SOMETHING WAS WRONG HERE

Remote User:
Date:
03 Jun 2002
Time:
15:42:20
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For sexual offenders' registries, to look up someone you may suspect in your congregation of being an offender:

www.soc-um.org/register.html

Remote User:
Date:
03 Jun 2002
Time:
16:21:08
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To those who say that they have been physically or sexually abuse: How is that a congregational issue?

It's not. If you want to report it to the police, do that

But this is not a congregational issue.

What can the elders do about anything? Disfellowship someone? That can't do anything. It's not their place.

Not that I'm for or against, I just don't like the complainers who do nothing but complain about the past.

Remote User:
Date:
03 Jun 2002
Time:
16:28:31
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To: It's not a congregation issue...

It's about being a shepherd and not a wolf. As I said responsibility and sensibility are not in the JW vocabulary, nor their understanding. Now is the time cast light on the darkness and the secrets they protect. That they covet.

BILLISRIGHT@AOL.COM

Remote User:
Date:
03 Jun 2002
Time:
16:30:01
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I wouldn't report to the police even if I saw someone kill someone. The police are the real criminals, wolves in sheep's clothing. Stuff that in your pipe and smoke it Bowen.

Remote User:
Date:
03 Jun 2002
Time:
17:09:34
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To those who say that they have been physically or sexually abuse: How is that a congregational issue?

It's not. If you want to report it to the police, do that

But this is not a congregational issue.

What can the elders do about anything? Disfellowship someone? That can't do anything. It's not their place.

Not that I'm for or against, I just don't like the complainers who do nothing but complain about the past.

APPARENTLY YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN SEXUALLY ABUSED TO SAY THAT FIRST OF ALL IT IS THE RIGHT OF EVERY PARENT TO KNOW THAT THERE IS A CHILD MOLESTER IN THE CONGREGATION IF I HAD A CHILD I WOULD NOT LEAVE THEM ANY WHERE NEAR A KNOWN CHILD OFFENDER AND BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR FUCKING MOUTH AGAIN ABOUT US COMPLAINING WALK IN OUR SHOES PENNY

Remote User:
Date:
03 Jun 2002
Time:
18:11:22
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Hi,Just wanted to stop by as it was Highly recommended by many on the Yahoo chat room of JW's..I too was abused "in the Hall" as were many, and contrary to many's belief, I have mentioned it prior to the "scandal on dateline". I pray something good comes from all of this, like some little lambs are spared from the horrid abuse that is allowed to go on in the congregations nationwide..Thanks for listening, K

Remote User:
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03 Jun 2002
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21:33:24
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to the jerks who report it is wrong to go to the police because they are from Satan and wolves in sheep's clothing...

YOU OFFER MORE PROOF THAN DATELINE ABOUT JW ATTITUDES THANKS FOR PROVING TO THE WORLD WHAT ASSES YOU ARE

if you have even read a fraction of the reports of all who suffered physical, sexual and emotional abuse from pedophiles, along emotional and spiritual abuse from elders and the society .... tell me how THEY are not the ones from the 'devil's world' ... 'wolves in sheep's covering' .... even WT teachings are to respect cops ... now you point out their wrongs JUST to deflect from the atrocities committed by JWs in god's name? if we have a right to point out wrongs done by the police....why do you think we don't have the right to do the same to JWs who hold themselves up to a higher standard?

i realize I am wasting my breath with the likes of you ... but had to get it off my chest

Remote User:
Date:
03 Jun 2002
Time:
21:54:22
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Hi folks, Please visit my other venture I am involved with.

http://www.gayxjw.org

Thanks William Bowen

Remote User:
Date:
03 Jun 2002
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22:18:22
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What do I think about this site.

To Bill:

I am confused as too what is meant by neutrality with the WT doctrine and/or policy. Is there a difference? I thought that their doctrine was policy and policy is their doctrine. Am I wrong? I hope I don't appear to goat you. Maybe it doesn't matter. I don't see the middle ground.

To a JW Elder:

You asked me to go to your site to see your side. Is your side not what has been posted here? Do the sites you ask me to go to have an area for feedback? The Dateline JW link had information. What I got from that is the JW stance is-This is an age old problem. The Romans did it, and infanticide. And something about 4000 years ago where I trailed off. It said nothing about your way of handling this issue. There was nothing said by victims of rape. There was no apology for anyone acting on your authority that covered up or committed rape. I looked for a feedback area and it said you do not do direct feedback. If I want a "Bible-study" or someone to call on me to fill out an application. Did I not get it right? What is different now? I am skeptic because so much of your dogma is one sided. That would be not so bad but every other faith is ravaged for every mistake they have ever made while you dismiss everything ever done by you as a non issue. Am I wrong?

To people who think they are wasting breath. (You mean your fingertips:)

I am listening. Your comments and thoughts matter to me. I am working hard to find some meaningful positive comments about JW's (Obviously I am not one) but I don't have them yet.

Comment private you want. I will try to not cast a bad light who does not deserve it.

BILLISRIGHT@AOL.COM

Remote User:
Date:
03 Jun 2002
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22:20:57
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If you people realize it's not just in any religion it's everywhere it could be a friend a neighbor or even a family member and these disgusting people know which families to target that's why you people should not trust your children with anyone especially now a days it's getting worse and worse So people wake up and start watching your children right and don't just trust any one this world has got so polluted with so many awful things and if it continues it's just gonna keep on getting worse.

Remote User:
Date:
03 Jun 2002
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22:48:19
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TO>>> Remote User: Date: 03 Jun 2002 Time: 21:54:22 Do you realize there are such things as slander (in the legal sense) and Bill has a fantastic lawyer? Do you realize misrepresenting yourself as Bill could get you in lots of trouble? Think you're totally Anonymous? Ever heard of an IP address? Believe me you have one

Remote User:
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03 Jun 2002
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22:54:15
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I am a former Jehovah's witness. My father is an elder and my mother is active. I now realize being raise in the organization how hush hush things are being kept for a long time I thought I was in a perfect organization and no one could tell me different. It was hard for me accept the real truth and it took me years to desensitize myself. I still find myself defending something I don't believe in it not really my fault. You want to believe a perfect organization exist. But the real truth is what lies behind closed doors.

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03 Jun 2002
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23:05:22
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The most ignorant people on earth, are Jehovah Witness teenagers. I like to chew them up and spit them out. A cowardly lot. They like to post false accusations (Mr.Bowen being gay) and hate(calling people apostates), but don't leave an e-mail address. Cowards who dismiss the sensitive nature of the issue of pedophilia. Cowards who post their drivel in "hit and run" fashion, only to persecute the victims and survivors of pedophilia.

That's why they sit at home with no life and bash sites like these. It's because of their ignorance. I laugh. Laugh at them when I read their "waste of space" posts. What losers.

If these are adults making these posts, all the worse. They are much more delicious to chew up and spit out.

People of a "small mind"...People who are cowards. I don't know whether to pity them, or continue to laugh at their examples of low intelligence.

These kids can't even "flame" properly. No wonder they just sit in their school rooms in silence, as the class waits for their heads to spin in 360 degree circles.

Come to me, you little ignorant fools, so that you may learn what the "real world" is like. I'll be waiting.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/

D8TA@msn.com

Remote User:
Date:
03 Jun 2002
Time:
23:41:00
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While silentlambs supports all JW victims of abuse we have no affiliations with other websites.

silentlambs

Remote User:
Date:
04 Jun 2002
Time:
00:11:58
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The result of the airing of the Dateline program has been very positive. Dateline program will no doubt air again in reruns and may get further coverage soon.

There have been many mixed emotions as a result of this program. I have received about 700 emails that range from around 100 who are angry and insulted Jehovah's Witnesses who think I am an apostate or a tool of Satan, some that have threatened me personally, to the majority who are very appreciative of the program. It is interesting to note of all emails received only two speak of child molestation matters being handled properly. I have over three hundred new stories of absolute atrocities committed against children in various congregations. I also have had around forty new pedophile survey's filled out with at least 12 abuse survivors starting the process of filing charges against their JW molesters. There have been around 250 telephone calls from concerned Jehovah's Witnesses across the country.

It is interesting when silentlambs hits WT with strong evidence a wave of virus emails are sent to the editor of silentlambs. Well it appears we must have hit the truth pretty good as we have received close to 300 in the last four days.

The recent letter read to all congregations to circumvent the Dateline airing has angered many abuse survivors in the organization. They express it is a whitewash of old policy, once again leaving the victims in harm's way. A sister in California commented, “How dare they arrogantly ignore the protection of children and pat themselves on the back for doing nothing.” One brother in Florida finished his student talk and stated, “I will never set foot in a Kingdom Hall again till the Governing Body changes their policy to protect children.” He then walked out. In another congregation in Tennessee, as the letter was being read an elder of over 40 years took his Kingdom Hall keys off the ring and walked back to give them to the PO. After the meeting when asked why, the elder stated, “I can no longer serve or support the policy on molestation stated in that letter.” Several individuals have expressed the desire to pursue the injustice committed against them by the way the home office handled their abuse by going to the courts and filing legal action as a result blatant disregard for victims offered in the letter read to all Jehovah's Witnesses in the USA.

As Circuit Overseers make their rounds they are instructing elders if they do not follow instructions to the letter if lawsuits are filed local elders will be on their own. This comes as a further menacing threat to brothers whose conscience might move them to report suspected abuse in non-reporting States, but are then threatened into silence by WT Legal.

Several letters are being written to home office to require the Service Department to remove several men currently serving as elders or ministerial servants who survivors say molested them. If Service and Legal Departments fail to act the survivors say are going public with matters.

In the telephone calls made since Dateline there have been reports of children being molested at Kingdoms Halls, in the door to door work of Jehovah's Witnesses, at conventions, building projects, and even at the home office in Brooklyn New York. Time and again abuse survivors were threatened with disfellowshipping if they spoke out to anyone on the matter.

Personally, the judicial committee tried to set up a meeting with a 24 hour notice. I was able to notify them in writing to postpone the meeting at a set future date. That date was rejected and they tried to move the meeting to the middle of the week to make it more difficult for my witnesses to be able to testify in my behalf. I am currently requesting a more agreeable date to those who are traveling.

silentlambs

Remote User:
Date:
04 Jun 2002
Time:
02:36:32
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I was not aware you would display my comments. I am now receiving innumerable letters from people. Please remove my comments from you site. Thanks.

Remote User:
Date:
04 Jun 2002
Time:
02:49:50
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Comments in a Guest Book are always displayed! Didn't you know that? That's one of the nicest thing of a Guestbook!!;-)

Remote User:
Date:
04 Jun 2002
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02:58:05
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The waiting on Jehovah is over. He waited and waited for the "governing body" to boldly take the bull by the horns with outrage against this violent act upon children and be absolutely open about absolutely no tolerance for pedophiles within JEHOVAH'S CONGREGATIONS. The silentlambs waited and waited on Jehovah and Jehovah was patient with the WTS and waited for them to do something. The prayers of many many people I am certain have been answered.

Jehovah used his spirit to move these people into action. WTS and anyone who proclaims to be a witness of Jehovah and NOW can't accept the action that Jehovah has taken through the innocent and the outrage of their supporters might be in good standing with the WTS but that does not mean Jehovah finds them a "good" witness or good for anything.

To shun a moral obligation out of fear of being shunned is immoral. To shun a moral obligation out of fear is immoral. To shun a moral obligation for Jehovah's sake is apostasy! And to do this as an obligation to Jehovah is absolutely outrageous. A Broken spirit is better than sacrifice the children to save face. Anyone should know that.

Remote User:
Date:
04 Jun 2002
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03:05:32
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" The fact is that as many people that you can claim to have been abused, as many people have been falsely accused."

This is all the more reason to turn the matter over to trained professionals in the authorities, not to dressed up janitors and window washers.

Someone else asked why go to the elders at all? In JayDubdum, all are encouraged to turn to the elders for most anything. Subjection to them is mandated and they are expected to intercede and handle matters properly. Not everything can be settled and handled by reading a few scriptures. That is why God set up Superior Authorities. Yes, even the Watchtower teaches that God set them up. So, why does the Watchtower circumvent those authorities?

Lew; lawaters3@earthlink.net ; aka: DakotaRed

Remote User:
Date:
04 Jun 2002
Time:
03:42:57
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To the witness or person who decided to become a false witness. (falsifying who you are)Think about what it was like for Jesus as the Pharisees tried so desperately, pathetically, to discredit him.

That rush you get when you lie. One day you will regret it. What Bill has created here is very noble. He is protecting our children, even people like myself who are not WT. He is an answer to my prayers. Literally. I have been praying for the Jehovah's Witnesses. That they are shown what they look like in a mirror.

Do any of you know what an "Authority Personality" is? The post that stated the irrational behavior of JW teens. That person described what one is like in the making.

Remote User:
Date:
04 Jun 2002
Time:
06:13:31
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Food for thought...

If people will lie for you they will lie about you.

With the JW's it has been my experience that no point of view is of any substance accept theirs. Even if you have proof of what ever the issue is, even if you have witnesses. If you are DF'd or a family member of one, or an outsider, or it is not in the favor of the Congregation then your testimony is not even given a second of thought. You are told to get over it, or blown off. In the old Soviet world there were two types of information one was bourgeois propaganda that equaled lies. It came from the likes of VOA (Voice of America) or a dissident to the Communist party. (I.e. anything not from the communist party) If you were found a dissident you were done for. So people kept their mouth shut and their eyes closed. Many people suffered. The other was communist propaganda that was anything that benefited the communist cause, or was in the communist favor because it favored socialism. A communist lie was even better than a bourgeois truth because anything that the other side said or did had to be a lie.

It is my experience that the WT and the Elders that try to gavel the law have become wayward totalitarians in nature and practice. I would love to see the sheep realize that they are the power. The WT is powerless without the control that the sheep surrender to it. I pray that one-day the sheep become less afraid of the outside world. It's not so scary outside. It is not always evil if you do not look for everything bad. Look for the bad and you will find it. Look for the good in all things and it changes your life. You become free. Free from bias. Free from fear. Free from being a cynic, which is person whose spirit is a prisoner in his or her own mind.

In a word....Peace finds you.

Maybe that is a pipedream. But it is my pipedream.

Remote User:
Date:
04 Jun 2002
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06:20:43
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I have noticed that there is no site for people that are the survivors of people who were never JW but married one that was or became Disfellowshipped. As an outsider there really is no greater pain than watching someone you love more than anything in the world be stomped into dust by the very people who claim to be so loving. We are the true objective observers.

Remote User:
Date:
04 Jun 2002
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11:19:51
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I am deeply moved by your excellent coverage and compassion in pursuing this matter. As an ex-JW, disfellowshipped for what they called "rebellion" in disagreeing with their doctrines, I can recognize the truth in what is presented here. I am now 65. My grandfather, who claimed to be of the remnant, also sexually abused his daughter, but at that time, over 60 years ago nothing was told. My cousin just recently told me that her mother had confessed this before she died several years ago.

Remote User:
Date:
04 Jun 2002
Time:
11:48:50
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I think that all you guys are saying is all lies. You guys are just saying that because the Catholics are in lots of trouble. You guys are all full of it. I been raise being a Jehovah Witness and I've never had to hear any of these cases and I don't think I will ever hear anything like that. I think that you guy should make sure what you guy are saying because you guys are putting Jehovah's name in a bad reputation. I hope Jehovah can forgive you for what you guys are saying about him and his organization. I hope you guys will think about it a little more about putting Jehovah's name in a other peoples mouth as in a bad way.

Remote User:
Date:
04 Jun 2002
Time:
12:35:04
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My daughter was abused by one of the members of the watchtower she started to speak out when she turned about 10 years old. I got out of the organization because I wasn't happy there no more. They kept silent about many things and didn't let me know till it was too late. I found out that this so call brother abused many other kids, but because he was a witness no one took action. epubill@msn.com

Remote User:
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04 Jun 2002
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14:04:58
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I think that all you guys are saying is all lies. You guys are just saying that because the Catholics are in lots of trouble. You guys are all full of it. I been raise being a Jehovah Witness and I've never had to hear any of these cases and I don't think I will ever hear anything like that. I think that you guy should make sure what you guy are saying because you guys are putting Jehovah's name in a bad reputation. I hope Jehovah can forgive you for what you guys are saying about him and his organization. I hope you guys will think about it a little more about putting Jehovah's name in a other peoples mouth as in a bad way

HEY PROVE I AM LYING PROVE IT AN I WILL PROVE I AM NOT I HAVE 20 YRS OF THERAPY TO PROVE I AM NOT LYING YOU BASTARD IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SHUT UP YOU HAVE NO CLUE HOW THE VICTIMS ARE TOLD TO SHUT UP NEVER TELL AND ARE THREATENED IF YOU THINK SEXUAL ABUSE DOEST HAPPEN IN THE JW'S CHURCH YOU ARE IN FOR A RUDE AWAKENING PENNY

Remote User:
Date:
04 Jun 2002
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14:34:31
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I am so grateful that I never really became interested in the Org. It's such a shame how they can turn good people into bad ones, such as the person above as well as so many others. They turn innocent people into Satan's servants so well that most people don't even know what's happening to them 'til it's too late.

Remote User:
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04 Jun 2002
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14:44:58
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When I was ten I was molested by my brother-in-law, a ministerial servant in the congregation. This went on for three years until my sister asked me point blank if he was doing some thing to me. In no time at all a committee was formed and he admitted to the abuse and was removed from all privileges. I remember him asking me if my parents would put him in jail. My mother and my father, presiding overseer/elder since he was 20, never mentioned one word to me about what happened and the subject was forbidden to be mentioned. I have since left the organization after realizing that their "mark of true Christianity is true love" is so far from the truth and for other various reasons. I have moved on though. Although the molestation is a sick and disgusting memory, what hurts me the most is that my parents did not stand up for me - they have never even said that they are sorry it happened and to this day refuse to even believe it happened, even though the molester admitted to it and has had other situations occur in the congregations elsewhere! Note: He has NEVER been charged with the legal system and I can guarantee this is going to continue on. I'd like to know what the statute of limitations are in cases like this with a minor and if I can get my congregation records.

PW mwynn1@worldnet.att.net

Remote User:
Date:
04 Jun 2002
Time:
15:25:17
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Thanks for including the dateline show on your website because I missed it and was very interested to see how it went. Cristine

Remote User:
Date:
04 Jun 2002
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15:44:19
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Where do I go to read Barbara Anderson's story?

Remote User:
Date:
04 Jun 2002
Time:
15:51:36
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I am a former elder who had been removed from that privilege some years ago when my wife was having problems as a result of her emotional abuse at the hands of her father who was an elder at the time she was growing up. I am currently serving again as a Ministerial Servant in good standing. When I was an elder I sat in on my wife's judicial meetings (as is required) and served on many judicial committees, several of which dealt with abuse victims/survivor's. I say in all sincerity how deeply I feel for all such ones when I read their stories. It pains me greatly to see this evil in the Christian congregation. Let me state, again in all sincerity, that neither my wife nor any of the others I dealt with were told to ‘keep quiet.' Indeed, we were encouraged to report my father-in-law to his congregation elders for judicial review. As elders, we often discussed how abused ones needed help because we knew that they were scarred emotionally and spiritually and that these horrid memories will *always* resurface in terms of promiscuity, violence (to self or others), drug use or in the perpetuation of these behaviors on the next generation. And we knew and discussed this 10 years ago!

The body of elders I served with at that time made every effort to listen compassionately and non-“judgmentally” as people told their stories. We *never* assumed they were lying! Indeed, one of the points Jaws like to make with people is ‘does this have the ring of Truth?' And every one of the sufferers told stories that had the ring of Truth. Yes, if there was no other evidence or second witness or confession, as elders we could do nothing more except keep sealed records on file of what happened. In a number of cases the perpetrator committed the same crime again and because this was the second incident of the same type of sin, we could disfellowship an unrepentant wrongdoer. According to Watchtower Society guidelines it does *not* have to be two witnesses to the same event. At the very least, if the perpetrator continued to deny the second set of allegations, we could disfellowship them as an unrepentant liar.

If State laws require reporting, conscientious elders report to the authorities. Because most elders are not current on local law as well as for other reasons, elders are to report abuse to the Watchtower's Legal Department for review and advice. Please keep in mind that only 16 states require this. Other states require that we do *not* report, citing “ecclesiastical privilege.”

It also pains me to read how many long-time witnesses have engaged the services of attorneys when dealing with either their local congregations or with the Watchtower Society's headquarters. They have forgotten the scripture at 1 Corinthians 6:7 which says “Really, then, it means altogether a defeat for YOU that YOU are having lawsuits with one another. Why do YOU not rather let yourselves be wronged?” This is God's Word speaking to us. Yes, what happened to many at the hands of supposed Witnesses is an unspeakable crime – against God and humanity, but loyal Jaws endeavor to follow scripture in *all* things, even when it is painful to do so.

Keep in mind also that Jehovah does allow tests of loyalty at the hands of Satan in order to ‘sift us.' To the victims/survivors: Jehovah is not to blame and will certainly comfort all in need. But we must maintain our loyalty! To the rest of us: Don't be swept overboard by any sensationalizing of events. Let us not lose our faith because of news reports or by what we may read online from disgruntled former believers.

"Gadol"

Remote User:
Date:
04 Jun 2002
Time:
16:06:38
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Gadol: I'm sure you consider yourself compassionate and reasonable, but I find myself shaking my head. You had reports of a child abuser in your midst, those reports had the 'ring of truth', then you sealed them up and did nothing more. You cite Society rules. Predictably, it happened again and aha! now you can do something. So, just how guilty do you feel about those 'second' cases? What could you have done to protect those other innocent children? How many children outside of the organization were victimized when you could have helped? Did your self-righteousness make it unnecessary to even consider that you may be misapplying the two-witness rule? Is it even possible that you could do something to protect other children even if you don't have multiple witnesses? Is your self-righteousness enough to ward off the pangs of guilt? You're the problem.

- Buster

Remote User:
Date:
04 Jun 2002
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16:33:18
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I was sent a virus when I left my e-mail here. I'm sure it was some "angry witness". Just so you know, just as we were smart enough to leave an ungodly child abusing organization. We also are intelligent enough to spot a virus "can you say didn't hurt a thing". Take your anger out on the real people deserving of it the liars that abuse and cheat and steal, that are allowed to flourish in your organization. While the truly heartfelt ones are left abandoned by your ungodly way. Bill keep on speaking the truth, out of the mouths of babes, we will fell the ultimate "Whore of Babylon" the Jehovah's Witness, witness to many an innocents abuse that is

Remote User:
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04 Jun 2002
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16:40:18
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Gadol: By the way, citing ecclesiastical privilege is just another way of saying that 'I don't because the Society says so.' A spiritually mature individual would not find himself falling on such man-made rules. A person that tried to grasp what Christianity is all about would feel a compulsion to protect others. Such a person would do all in his or her capacity to stop the atrocities from happening to another child - inside or outside the congregation. Failure to act to protect children is the most acute example of just how spiritually hobbled the society keeps you people.

- Buster

Remote User:
Date:
04 Jun 2002
Time:
16:40:56
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Gadol: By the way, citing ecclesiastical privilege is just another way of saying that 'I don't because the Society says so.' A spiritually mature individual would not find himself falling on such man-made rules. A person that tried to grasp what Christianity is all about would feel a compulsion to protect others. Such a person would do all in his or her capacity to stop the atrocities from happening to another child - inside or outside the congregation. Failure to act to protect children is the most acute example of just how spiritually hobbled the society keeps you people.

- Buster

Remote User:
Date:
04 Jun 2002
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16:52:58
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Buster: Thanks for your comments. To clarify my previous post, when we had proof, we acted. No coverups. No intimidating of witnesses. The "Second Witness" principle is from the scriptures and it is a good rule. I was close to a family that was having problems with its oldest daughter. She accused her father of abusing her. A week later she recanted, saying she was just angry with her father and wanted to get back at him for his discipline. What if we had jumped the gun based on her ONE claim and reported and/or disfellowshipped him?

Also to clarify: It is a number of states laws that tell US that we cannot report abuse because of "Ecclesiastical Privilege." THEY (the states in question) tell us in effect 'we consider you clergy and,therefore, you HAVE to keep quiet.' Those elders may wish to report, but certain states WON'T LET THEM.

I hope that helps clear things up.

"Gadol"

Remote User:
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04 Jun 2002
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17:10:25
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In light of all I have read on this sight I find it incredible the comments that are made. This is not a positive remark...We need to be mindful that the Jehovah Witnesses do what they are told by the Watchtower Society. It is clear to them that the WTS has a direct link to God Almighty and not to listen to any apostate that may come their way. Including all of these comments on this page. We need to be mindful that they are slaves not only to their God but more, the Watchtower Society. We need to be mindful that JW's obviously do not look into the history behind their religion because it is clear that even their own founder, Charles Taze Russell, lied...not just to his followers, but in courts of law that has been recorded. He knew nothing of Greek or translations, but instead was not satisfied with his former religion ~Seventh Day Adventist~ and created an new one~ in which he created a new God and a new translation. Since then many new leaders have come their way, and now they denounce some of the things the leaders before them had said...even their own founder. They would rather his name never be brought up again...and if Russell were alive today, they probably would have disfellowshipped him. Unfortunate that the followers do not take the time to look into the background of their founders, it is only eternal life we're talking about ~ forever and ever. This is not about what religion is molesting what child, it happens all over, even to the unbelievers. What this is about is sin, plain and simple. Jesus Christ died for us all, his blood cleansed our sin and those who believe in Him as Savior will have eternal life. Don't fool yourselves, look into history, learn a little bit of Greek on your own and most of all pray for all the people who struggle with any sin - as great as molesting their own grandchild to lying about "miracle wheat". :) And praise Our Lord for his grace and mercy and love.

Remote User:
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04 Jun 2002
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17:14:16
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Gadol: You're saying that a if you were in a non-required reporting state and you - a person with a detailed understanding of the situation - called the police or a child welfare agency, that they would 1/ determine if you were clergy and then 2/ tell you to go away? Do you expect people to swallow that? It sounds to me like the Society is probably pulling some statement out of context and passing it along to elders as justification for keeping silent.

The two-witness rule does have its place. Yes, there are false accusations. All that needs to be balanced against protecting the rest of the congregation and the even worldly children. That is where a professional, non-religious agency like Child Services can look into a problem, cross-reference reports, and get that other 'witness' that is not available to you. All you see, and can deal directly with, is the microcosm of people at the hall. You are pulling up short on your responsibility as a Christian if you look at the issue so myopically and put it aside.

- Buster

Remote User:
Date:
04 Jun 2002
Time:
17:21:43
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I think this website is very informational. Thank you for telling the truth.. I am one of Jehovah's witnesses and this scares me to death to think this is going on. I will most likely be the next to get disfellowshipped for thinking my own religion is doing such bad things.. Thanks again and please keep us informed.

Remote User:
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04 Jun 2002
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17:31:04
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thank you. I am unable to leave any personal information, for reasons you are well aware of. I feel that I have lost my way. While I do believe that God has an organized way of dealing with us I am certain that Witnesses are not the only humans worthy of salvation. While I know that power corrupts I am saddened to know that grown men and women not only abdicate use of their own conscience and intellect, but are encouraged to do so by the JW. I am no longer attending meetings. I hope the organization can be cleaned up. THANK YOU, for being brave.

Remote User:
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04 Jun 2002
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18:38:27
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Stop spreading your lies. You are worse than an apostate.

Remote User:
Date:
04 Jun 2002
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20:32:00
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I am shocked and saddened. I really hope that measures are taken to effectively deal with rapist and molesters within the religion. I commend the people that were strong enough to go against the norm and voice their concerns and incidents. Jehovah says to protect the innocent; I know that the right thing will be done. For not to believe this will crumble the moral foundations I was raised with.

Remote User:
Date:
04 Jun 2002
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Hi. I have been raised as one of Jehovah's witnesses and my mother was the driving force for our family to be in the Truth. My father was opposed for years and being college-educated, debated many points of the Watchtower doctrine. I was baptized at 14, and faithfully followed the Truth the way I experienced it, a very separate and free, way of life where I felt content for so many years in spite of misgivings I may have had here and there. (not joining sports, missing my prom, not going to college, not having a social life) However, every now and then, I would see fellow sisters, teenage, who seemed to be going through something much darker than I was going through. I later found out that they had been through sexual abuse by their fathers, who were elders, and as far as I could see, they had absolutely no recourse in the situation. This bothered me and yet I felt that it was what other people go through in the world and have to find ways to cope. I didn't see it yet as pertinent to the congregation dynamics even though I was shocked and disgusted. I guess that in my young mind I felt their powerlessness and took it on as a hopeless trap for them and me.

However, later, when I had serious doubts about why a person should not go to college, after having four delightful children of my own with a husband I have loved dearly through thick and thin, I decided to go to college and my husband absolutely agreed to back me up. (Of course, he wasn't elder material even though he had been a baptized brother and an understanding voice in the Hall since day 1)

I went to Wellesley College, found intelligent, brainy women who would listen to all of this, and I found myself in the field of genetics. I am so moved by your efforts to work to change the policy which could destroy the credibility of the good work that the brothers do. There are so many brave-hearted and well-intentioned ones in the organization who do not understand the dilemma of The Silent Lambs.

Keep up the good work and know that you are reaching people who have either been through all this themselves or have suffered the pain of seeing...and not being able to speak out.

You may contact me at janderbing@yahoo.com

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Hi. I have been raised as one of Jehovah's witnesses and my mother was the driving force for our family to be in the Truth. My father was opposed for years and being college-educated, debated many points of the Watchtower doctrine. I was baptized at 14, and faithfully followed the Truth the way I experienced it, a very separate and free, way of life where I felt content for so many years in spite of misgivings I may have had here and there. (not joining sports, missing my prom, not going to college, not having a social life) However, every now and then, I would see fellow sisters, teenage, who seemed to be going through something much darker than I was going through. I later found out that they had been through sexual abuse by their fathers, who were elders, and as far as I could see, they had absolutely no recourse in the situation. This bothered me and yet I felt that it was what other people go through in the world and have to find ways to cope. I didn't see it yet as pertinent to the congregation dynamics even though I was shocked and disgusted. I guess that in my young mind I felt their powerlessness and took it on as a hopeless trap for them and me.

Keep up the good work and know that you are reaching people who have either been through all this themselves or have suffered the pain of seeing...and not being able to speak out.

You may contact me at janderbing@yahoo.com

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Why must we believe this is the truth because they want us to believe it. I was born into this religion and I have still to learn why this religion is any different from the others. God loves us all and it does not matter what religion you are in. The bible does not mention a specific religion by name. An organization that controls your life, An organization that is against bringing these sick human garbage waste to justice because of it's name is not a religion it is a cult. Yes I said it the Witness' are one of the biggest Cults I have ever had to deal with. They are the wolves in Sheep's clothing. Say to yourselves is this an organization I want to belong to. They are always criticizing the Catholic religion. But in my eyes they are just as bad or even worst. None of you are at fault the disgusting millionaire owners, because it is like a business, are the ones that are at fault. Who are you to tell me I am not anointed when you allow men to molest children and you do nothing about it. I have never been so disgusted with this religion the way I am right now.

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04 Jun 2002
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keep up the good work

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FOR THOSE WHO DIDN"T SEE THE DATELINE EXPOSE'----- my sister told me that it will air again THIS SAT.!!!!!! at 6:00pm cent. time. I'm not sure of that date but it's something to watch for in your local listings. Thanks

Jesika Thoman-- Dallas,Tx

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Hello my name is JoAnne, I was raised a JW for 30 years. My stepfather fit this description. When I was 30 I decided i was a hypocrite(sp?)To remain a JW, I saw too many good people in the world, and could not see them all dying at Armageddon. I am now 50 years old, when I was 40 my real dad passed away, not the one who raised us. ( I read on the back of my senior picture I gave him, among other things, it said ( I said I was sorry he would die at Armageddon(sp?).SICK I was a pioneer for 4 years when I got out of high school, was I brain washed or what, as I read your front cover I could hardly breath. getting together with ex Jehovah's witness, was the only way I got over the hump.of the guilt when you get out, I was disfellowshipped. I respect my mother and other JW, it takes a lot to stay in and they have good intentions from the heart, they do not know anything else, I can be phoned at 360-789-1211 JoAnne, I am hear for any ex JW, that want reassurance it is okay, to get out... I live in Olympia, Wa. if their is a meeting near my area of ex JW I would like to know about it, also I have a sister in Federal Way, WA. she is ex JW, also ( we have stories.......if you know what I mean, )Take Care, JoAnne

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..I know the main discussion is child molestation in the churches on this page, but I need to make a point. We find it so easy to point fingers at religions that twist the truth of the Word of God (FYI:I belong to a Lutheran church) to fit the doctrine of our church. But I've recently hit a website that I was directed to by this page and I find it interesting how not only do people twist God's word to fit their doctrine, but also twist it to fit their lifestyle. Scripture interprets Scripture. You cannot pull one or two lines and make it gospel. It seems to me that some who were so weak in their faith to join up with an outfit like the JW's are weak in their God-given bodies also. Searching for self acceptance and happiness and twisting God's Word so they can feel that it is acceptable. I'm not talking about Pedophiles here folks. Be careful of these Silentlambs...this website may be helpful to some...and I appreciate that, but as we have all learned from this page...you can't always trust a gentle face, detestable things go on behind closed doors.

-Johnna

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Kandy

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I am 15 years old and I was raised a witness. I watched the Dateline program last week and it made me very upset, I would like to help in anyway that I can, JKS

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I am Webmaster of the San Francisco chapter of "A Common Bond", the international support network for gay & lesbian current and former Jehovah's Witnesses. While "A Common Bond" fully endorses the mission of "Silentlambs", I would like to state for the record that our two support networks are not affiliated in any way. Earlier today, our web site began to receive quite a number of "hits" from this site, and I traced it to a posting made by an individual stating that Bill Bowen was associated with our support network. He is not, and I want to personally offer my apologies to Mr Bowen for any misunderstandings that may have arisen from the posting of an individual with an obvious agenda of attempting to damage Mr Bowen's reputation.

After the airing of Dateline's expose' last week, the number of visits to our website has almost tripled. Surely, a number of visitors to our site are active Jehovah's Witnesses who have been exposed to the teachings of the Watchtower Society equating pedophilia with homosexuality. To that end, I felt it necessary to add an essay to our site explaining the difference between gays and pedophiles so that those visiting our site would not be misled into believing that any of our membership advocates pedophilia in any form. The essay has been posted at: http://www.gayxjw.org/ped.html

I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate Mr Bowen on his extraordinary courage and human kindness in offering a refuge to those victims of abuse. Thank you for a job well done! Kind Regards.... JIM MOON Webmaster - A Common Bond - San Francisco

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Funny how Jehovah cleans his organization, and the "dirt" find a place to hang out.

It's disgusting what's going on in here. I feel terrible for those that have genuinely been hurt, as opposed to those "silentlambs" who drop in to this website for their supposed research and airing of their hatred. People - take a breath, slow down, and think about what would really help abuse victims. THEY NEED LOVE. Jehovah can provide that love.

This site is the LAST place abuse victims should visit. When I see a post like "I now have the courage to say my whole family was abused by witnesses" my first inclination is to think that Bill Bowen himself is posting that message to keep the water boiling. How can a whole family be abused and now have the "courage" to say it anonymously on a website? Have you contacted the police? Did you go to the elders?

What utter confusion. In my past an elder attempted to molest me, and an elders son actually did molest me. I have started to cry almost daily at these repressed memories surfacing. However, how can I blast an organization that has kept me clean morally, helped me with ALL of the serious issues I have encountered in this demonic world, blessed me with a wonderful woman for a wife, and now with two beautiful children that pray with me at night to the ALMIGHTY Jehovah?

The next sentence I direct to those who were truly abused - pray to Jehovah. Stop coming here for a while and think about forgiveness, yes forgiveness, to the abusers, the elders that may have mishandled your case, and to the organization that is working hard to provide spiritual guidance to a congregation of witnesses who undoubtedly love you. Your next step should be professional help, and spiritual help, and if you feel the elders in your hall have mishandled your case, ESCALATE. Contact the Society or the circuit overseer. You will be very surprised at the love and dedication to your physical, mental and spiritual well being these shepherds will show you.

To Bill Bowen - I'm not quite sure that you can turn around from the damage that you have already done, but only Jehovah can read a persons heart. I commend that you want to help abuse victims, but it looks like you want to victimize innocent bystanders like me and about 6 million other witnesses. You seem like a smart man, spend your time setting up a non-biased organization that helps abuse victims across the board. There are victims in many other religions and institutions here on earth.

No - I will not sign my email, because I can guarantee you that I will receive a deluge of hate mail. I've seen enough of it here.

To my fellow witnesses perusing this site - You have made the same mistake I have made. Curiosity got the better of me, and for what? Now I am heartsick seeing the amount of hate that is festering here.

To all - Times are changing fast. Lets all make a change for the better.

P.S. I saw the Dateline show, and I am not impressed at all with Dateline. I have been both outside and inside the organization, and I can tell you they were not objective at all. They did not speak to anyone who has good things to say about the JW's, no one who was molested but can say they were treated the way they were supposed to, and did not highlight the fact that JW's do not pay hush money, do not shuffle elders around, and write many, many articles on child abuse.

I will never view another Dateline story without wondering how far they have gone for good ratings.

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They have forgotten the scripture at 1 Corinthians 6:7 which says “Really, then, it means altogether a defeat for YOU that YOU are having lawsuits with one another. Why do YOU not rather let yourselves be wronged?” This is God's Word speaking to us. Yes, what happened to many at the hands of supposed Witnesses is an unspeakable crime – against God and humanity, but loyal Jaws endeavor to follow scripture in *all* things, even when it is painful to do so.

ARE YOU A MOTHER FUCKING PSYCHO???????? SHOULD I HAVE JUST MY FATHER MOLEST ME? YOU TWISTED THE SCRIPTURES AGAIN YOU IGNORANT BASTARD I AM SO GLAD I AM AWAY FROM YOU FALSE TEACHING ASSHOLES

SUE THE JW'S SUE THEM ALL IF THEY DON'T WANNA DO ANYTHING ABOUT OUR CHILDREN AND STOP MOLESTATION WE WILL WE WILL SUE YOUR ASSES SEE YOU IN COURT BASTARDS

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In response to Kandy:

""It seems to me with homosexuality, it is lusting after the same sex, just as heterosexuals lust after one another before marriage. But with Ped's it is with young children.""

Right, and that makes it a crime!!!!!!!!!

"" Does anyone think that they will find a Pedophilia "gene" like some people say there is a Homosexual "gene" ""

Even if they do, so what? That still makes pedophilia a crime!!! Same as with kleptomania! Although then nobody is physically or mentally abused!

""would pedophilia be okay then, because there is a gene that makes them that way...."'

NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Even if it's in the genes!!

And with whom adults have sex with that's their business, genes or not!

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Keep in mind also that Jehovah does allow tests of loyalty at the hands of Satan in order to ‘sift us YOU ASSHOLE NO WHERE DOES GOD ALLOW SEXUAL ABUSE OF CHILDREN TO TEST ANYONE SO DON'T FEED THAT BULL CRAP TO US GOD IS NOT ABOUT USING SEXUAL ABUSE HE IS A KIND AND COMPASSIONATE AND LOVING GOD NOT A PERVERT LIKE YOU PEOPLE IN JW'S ARE

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My Father became a JW when I was 17. He pretty much forced our family into it. My Dad is very controlling. I made the mistake of getting baptized. I have been disfellowshipped since I was 24. I hate what this cult does to families. It ruined my relationship with my parents. I refuse to be a part of something that is based on guilt and fear and hypocrisy. I am 45 now and within the last 5 yrs. we have a somewhat of a relationship. Only because the Watchtower people said he could.

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To the irate Witness that sent my wife a computer virus. Would that "the organization" purge pedophiles from their flocks as easily as we have purged the virus. Why do you have to take the scrutiny of obvious deficiencies in the organization personally? No one is attacking the basic belief that you have, only the hypocritical and illegal actions of the leadership. If ALL Witnesses behaved in accordance with the "love God and love your neighbor" instruction of Jesus, then I would probably still be an active member. Right is right and wrong is wrong. Get over yourself. Chris Madonia

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To the irate Witness that sent my wife a computer virus. Would that "the organization" purge pedophiles from their flocks as easily as we have purged the virus. Why do you have to take the scrutiny of obvious deficiencies in the organization personally? No one is attacking the basic belief that you have, only the hypocritical and illegal actions of the leadership. If ALL Witnesses behaved in accordance with the "love God and love your neighbor" instruction of Jesus, then I would probably still be an active member. Right is right and wrong is wrong. Get over yourself. Chris Madonia

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You said it Chris:

"Why do you have to take the scrutiny of obvious deficiencies in the organization personally? ""

Perhaps because they are so brainwashed they cant look/think straight??? This is typically cult behavior, although they all deny it!

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I'm one of Jehovah's witnesses and this has gotten crazy out of control. I am very glad this website is here. I no longer attend the meetings because I found myself being a hypocrite. I thought the Catholics were doing very sinful things I even expressed my feelings with other witnesses and they believed the things about the Catholics but not about our religion. I believe we all are becoming hypocrites. shame on all religions that put their faith in their cong instead of our grand Creator Jehovah and his son Jesus Christ. I want to say I'm sorry for being a hypocrite and also very sorry for the victims.... I will no longer stand up for anyone who will keep these secrets. I was abused as a child and people knew about the abuse and never reported. these were not witnesses at the time these were friends of the family of all different religions. I ask who will protect the children if we don't. these children do not trust anyone and if they do have courage to come for help then I beg everyone and anyone to Help them!!! This is Jehovah's way of letting it out through the child's own cry for help.

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I have just read your site, and I'm appalled at what has been going on in the congregations, and the coverup, that has been done, and suggested to be done, by the Society. I could barely function at hearing these things. I'm more appalled that individuals, that have come forward, about these matters, are possibly going to be disfellowshipped. How terrible, they have done nothing! No one should take away their friends and family, for something like this. It's terrible! I don't know what else to say. Jehovah is surely bringing to light, the hidden sins of many. I just hope they don't disfellowship these people. It's an awful state to be in, with no one to talk to, and having no friends.

Margaret Silvia (Stoughton Congregation-Massachusetts)

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Courage is a possession of only a few. You have demonstrated you have this quality by your outspokenness and willingness to expose a gross wrong. What I find interesting is that many still look to the Watchtower Society as though they are a religious authority. For no one can have authority over you unless you allow it. Further, would Jesus be the head of an organization that fosters an environment that allows pedophiles to exist and continue to torture innocent victims with abuse and threaten them with alienation from God if they try to right the wrong?! Would He not vomit such an organization out of his mouth? It is hard to tell the JW from the Catholic in action and organization. Rev. 21.8; John 8.31-47 Turn to the Lord and not to man made religious societies and enjoy the freedom that only He can give. 2 Cor. 3.16, 17 May God bless the courage you show. John Partridge Lawrence

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When my mother first started to study with the witnesses & started "changing" her life - I remember her burning other religious books in the backyard and I remember her returning some stained glass windows that she had stolen from some people. I was raised pretty much as a feral child up to that point & stole everything & anything from anyone that wasn't tied down. When my mother started to notice & care about this & found out that I had stolen from the person she was studying with I remember having to repay the person not just what I had stolen but double the amount based on a Bible principle. I'm getting to my point but rather slowly-LOL. If you steal/Rape from a child or any anyone for that matter - How can a person ever repay that? They can't restore the child's innocence and their feeling of trust & the feeling of being truly safe again. It's by not only fessing up to the elders & to stop continuing to do those things but they should have to apologize to the victims & their families and then serve the time in jail for their crime - However much time that would be - That wouldn't "fix" the damage but it would validate the victims trauma and help them to start healing sooner. What I fear is that some elders apart from the society don't view this as a crime - they may just be viewing it as any other weakness of the flesh & if the person says their sorry or denies it well that's the end of that. THIS IS A CRIME!!! not something that kids should have to endure at the hands of people they should be able to trust and are told to trust. Someone made the comment awhile back totally berating the girl on the Dateline program who had disfigured herself with the tatoos saying that obviously she never really had a relationship with Jehovah in the first place if she could do that to herself (AND YOU CAN READ HEARTS?). That comment made me mad because - for one - How do you know what you would do if you were a victim of a horrible crime against your body & couldn't speak out about it? I am almost 200 lbs over weight - is that any better than tattooing myself. I do it for the same reason - so that I can be unattractive and I can feel safer because I was molested, attacked & raped as a child. Not everyone deals with traumatic violence against their bodies in the same way and no one can judge someone else for the way they display their anguish and pain.PLEASE LEAVE THE READING OF HEARTS TO JEHOVAH'S - the fact that some of us have not killed ourselves as a way of dealing with the abuse is a testament to the fact that Jehovah helped us to survive in the first place. Jesus never would have turn anyone away with contempt especially if someone has been abused by someone claiming to serve his God. Where is your compassion? I've had to deal for many years with a mother who is mentally ill(won't admit that she has a problem) & has been abusive to us kids--but because she was/is a more active servant in the congregation she is held with higher regard & is believed more than we are - even though my younger brother killed himself (Hello?-the biggest cry for help) So I know what it's like to not be believed & to have people side with the abuser because of their "sheep like" standing. Please don't be quick to judge those when you don't know the whole story!

-Shelly Butyrin- ratgrrl63@hotmail.com

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Power, power and more power, is what the Jehovah's Witness organization has over it "sheep". This power is what keeps its members from speaking out, doubting policies, and in any way disagreeing with its policies.

I would like to thank you for this web-site, from the bottom of my heart. I will submit my story to you as soon as I can prepare it. I was a victim of cruelty for the first 13 years of my life, being physically and sexually abused by my step-father, whose name will be disclosed in my official letter as he was finally charged by the Supreme court of these crimes (after 13 years).

But it is not only him I blame, but the elders and entire organization Jehovah's Witnesses, who kept this matter a "secret", never alerting the authorities of at least the physical abuse that was often performed at social functions, never inquiring about why me and my siblings were always bruised from head to toe, why we flinched at his every move. But questioning the policies is not allowed within the organization; there is no room for self expression or asking "why", this would be considered blasphemy, the only unforgivable sin. Upon submission of "my story" I will then be considered an apostate, but if that's the worst that can happen to me for exposing this cult-like organization and hopefully helping other victims, then it is well worth it. God is the only one who can judge me. I will visit your web-site often, because up until yesterday, I thought that me and my sister were the only ones brave enough to discuss the discrepancies and hypocrisies and wide-spread physical and sexual abuse within the organization. As stated earlier, I will submit an actual letter stating my case, so other "lambs" can feel comfort in knowing they are not the only ones who have suffered, and to varying degrees are likely still suffering from these injustices. I am now 30 years old and am considered inactive (I stopped attending meetings about 7 years ago), but the doubts were present as a child, which makes me wonder how in the world can these "adults" continue to follow such an organization? I guess they just continue to keep their "eyes on the prize".

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HELLO EVERYONE, I THINK EVERYONE ON THIS SITE SHOULD TAKE A FEW MOMENTS AND PURCHASE CANDLES FROM OUR BRAVE FRIEND BILL.

HOW DO WE GO ABOUT DOING ?? I WILL TRY TO MAKE IT CLEAR AND PERHAPS WE WILL ALL BE ABLE TO HELP SUPPORT OUR DEAR BRO BILL IN HIS TIME OF NEED.

Michael in Canada

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I was raised a JW and am currently inactive at the age of 23. I plan to NEVER return. I know 2 women very close to me who were abused by there JW stepfather. Both women are no longer active and still healing after 20 years. The offenders still belong to the congregation. All though they were disfellowshipped at the time, no further action was taken by the society. I feel for every victim who did not get the support that was so needed. Please believe that a Loving God like Jehovah would not allow his "true organization" to be run this way. I also feel for the millions of Witness that are blinded to the actual truth. This is not Gods Organization.

M.S. Massachusetts

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I just read from you saying that you will write your story about your stepfathers abuse. I am so happy with tears in my eyes that you are going to tell your story. Have faith in Jehovah he will never leave you for speaking the truth. The truth is what we are taught being a Jehovah's witness right? so why are you going to be an apostate? I have sent in my letter saying I will no longer attend the meetings. I have set my eye on the prize!! Jehovah has let everything be known. He will continue to let things known! Babylon the great is falling. Ours along with many more! True Christians will only be led by Jehovah and his son. I will be waiting for many more of you to take courage and stand up for the TRUTH!!!!!!! Thank you for all the support Jehovah's witnesses and ex-witnesses..

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Margaret Silvia: I wish Witnesses could hear themselves talk. To suggest that 'Jehovah is bringing these things to light' via those that are gaining exposure to the media is to also suppose that Jehovah was waiting. It supposes that Jehovah was allowing elders in His organization to abuse, or allow to be abused, innocent children. That fatalistic attitude is exactly the core of the problem! Witnesses use that attitude to justify standing by and allowing this savagery to be perpetrated on young children.

I would like to hear from one active Witness that is willing to re-examine Witness 'current understanding' (aka: self-interested justification) against the major themes of the New Testament. Please don't quote individual verses out of context - that is an endless cycle and ignores the overriding principles of Christianity. We ALL need to care for and protect those that need it - and that applies in largest measure to children.

The biggest issue Witnesses face is that an honest assessment of their dogma will shatter their blinders-on, we-are-the-truth self image.

- Buster

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Dear Mr. Bowen,

God Bless you for what you are doing. Keep your chin up and your fists raised against the injustices going on in the Kingdom Halls.

Peace and Blessings, Chrystal Swenson nowhiners@attbi.com

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To whom it may concern,I am in need of anyone who can help my family.My husband was molested as a child,his siblings (who I might add does not want to go against her father),and years later asked me to consent to having intercourse,bondage,etc. My husband never spoke of this abuse until 5 years ago which is when he had tried to commit suicide,and finally told me.About a year later my child tried to stab a fellow student at school with a pencil because a child tried to put play handcuffs on him. Nothing could have ever prepared me for what I saw when I got the call to come to the school immeditately.My son who was 8 at the time was in a ball on the floor rocking,screaming he's going to kill you and my daddy.Police came ,we have done the counseling for years,We took him to care house where they Interviewed him,found his allegations to be true,And still we have no resolve. My husbands sister has 3 or more children,and knowingly takes them over there all the time.Some Mother!But I guess when your own mother tolerates this you learn to sweep it under the rug. Well I nor my husband is going to sweep this under the rug Repressed memory is hard to prove they tell my husband,But what if you were raised in this religion to do nothing and just fear the next time you are left alone with him.He blocked it out because he knew no other life. We thought that after that sickening phone call we were lucky because at least our children weren't being abused.How wrong were we.He had already abused our eldest son.Thank god our other son was only 5 weeks old and was never left alone with him. A cousin has come forward and also endured the same abuse,(bondage/fondling etc.)and yet were still sitting in the same place.So this man and wife are allowed to go on acting as if they are Jehovah's's witnesses,they are the perfect parents,and have a normal life,While my son is still afraid of everyone and everything,My husband cries a lot because he is reliving the pain he blocked out through his son.Please Help !!!!!! Any info is welcome. Thank-You For listening..... Peg And Don J

P.S. They still attend the Kingdom Hall In Roseville Mi. Please to all be aware!

Horace and Pamela J. I Will sleep at night someday when you are punished for what you have done. Remember when you belittled my family because we weren't Jehovah's Witnesses,Thank God I never was. And thank god,I was raised in a safe loving environment,the way it should be. And a note to Pam and Sandy,Stop living in denial, and I will pray that you can live with yourselves,for putting the precious lives of children in danger.(A mother is supposed to protect her young always!)but then again you are "no"mother!

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This is my letter to the governing body. I hope for all concerned that enough letters are sent and something will be done. My e-mail is lmatheny@emtecae.com I would not mind if any lovers of Jehovah contact me. June 5, 2002

Governing Body Watchtower 25 Columbia Heights Brooklyn, NY 11201

Dear Brothers,

I am not articulate; so please forgive the way I put things. I was baptized July 9, 1965 in San Diego, California. I am convinced that what I learned many years ago was and is the truth. Many things along the way have had to be clarified and refined, but that is O.K. I don't expect the Faithful Slave to be any more perfect than I am. Now there is a great storm upon Jehovah's people. He is allowing it for a reason. Wolves among the flock are harming some of his precious children. This storm will not pass until you, the Governing Body, repent and turn around and make amends for the pain and suffering caused by the crying children. While you sit on your hands or stick your head in the sand, we on the front lines must answer the humiliating accusations of an angry public who already doesn't like us. But I will endure humiliation as Jehovah disciplines you. There will be many that will not. You will answer to Jehovah for that also. It seems so simple. Apologize in the media and the Watchtower magazine for the pain and suffering that has been caused by ignorant and arrogant elders. Open the files no matter how old. Turn over the names to the authorities. They are Jehovah's ministers to avenge the countless victims. The only ones that will be angry, will be the guilty or perhaps the ones who helped hide the malicious crime. Romans 13:3,4 is so plain. Those in the congregation who commit crimes against both God and Caesar have no one to blame but themselves. I had to go back to 1966 to find those verses discussed in the book “Life Everlasting – In Freedom of the Son's of God” page 206. I do take exception of the phrase “outside the congregation”. I really don't think that qualifier applies. The book says, “Even the congregation with which he has associated has no right to protect him from receiving any deserved punishment at the hands of the Law or ‘authority.' Thus even toward the members of the ‘congregation of God' the ‘authority' of the land can act as ‘God's minister, an avenger to express wrath upon the one practicing what is bad.'” The superior authorities have laws set up for the public order. The book “True Peace and Security How Can You Find It” (1986) page 132-136 is enlightening. Page 132 says “The laws put into force by them are not to be disregarded.” And “ In large measure, secular laws work for good. They help maintain order and assure a measure of protection for people and their property.” Page 134 says, “ At times a person may feel that he can ignore authority and do what he pleases because he is not likely to get caught and punished.” This happens time and again when Elders try to play Policeman. They are ill equipped and untrained in criminal justice procedures. That is the responsibility of Jehovah's ministers, the superior authority, to avenge punishment on criminals. To circumvent that arrangement, to go ahead of Jehovah's provision and handle matters of a criminal nature “in-house” is to be guilty of taking a stand “against the arrangement of God”. By protecting the criminal from punishment and silencing the victims The WBTS has made itself an accomplice to the crime. Eli did not commit the atrocities but he knew about what his sons had done and did not take steps to rid Jehovah's house of the disgusting filth. Is this any different? I am sure that about now you think I am parroting what others have said without any personal knowledge to base it on. My story is not nearly as bad as some I have read. I have been tormented by old memories lately since the Dateline piece aired. I had carefully packed the memories away, buried under other old memories, hidden in the back of the closet of my mind. Now every day it seems that another memory from that box is unwrapped and open to be freshly examined. The mind is amazing. Memories 20 and 30 years old can bring back feelings and emotions as intense as if it happened yesterday. The old memories have been reactivated by the knowledge that my experience was not isolated. Worse things have happened, thousands of times, to other trusting Christians under the supposed watchful care of spiritual shepherds. When I realized that it was more than the Riverview, Florida congregation that had this type of corruption I was heartsick (no, I was just plain sick). I was determined to continue attending meetings. Jesus attended meetings at the temple and synagogue even though he knew it was full of vipers. I moved my family to another town away from the Riverview congregation. I convinced myself that Jehovah would take care of them. But how could He? I was effectively silenced. He didn't have my help. He didn't have the help of anyone else in that congregation. Every one there was cooperating with the status quo. What did I expect Jehovah to do? Send a bolt of lightning to disintegrate the kingdom hall? At that time I was too weak to stand up against the body of elders. I could barely crawl to another kingdom hall. I now attend a fine loving congregation. It has problems but not like some. I wish that the elders had of told me about the pedophile in this congregation, instead a member of his family did. But at least I can be careful about allowing my granddaughters to be alone with him. He is a fine man and progressing in Bible knowledge, but he has a problem. If I wanted to hire a security guard for a wine store I would certainly want to know if the applicant was a recovering alcoholic. Similarly I feel I need to know if a pedophile is in my congregation since I have “at risk “ children. I feel compelled to speak out now and add my voice to the hundreds, perhaps thousands, who cry out for justice. The heartless, secret judicial system must end. Judicial matters belong in the city gates or at least before the entire congregation. Not hidden away in a tiny room where victims of abuse feel victimized again. There has to be a better way. Search the Scriptures until you find the answer. I have confidence that you are the faithful shepherd. This storm will continue until you satisfy Jehovah's sense of justice. We are counting on you. Please do not let us down.

Sincerely with heartfelt love, Your Sister' xxxxxxxxx Bayshore Congregation, Tampa, Florida

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05 Jun 2002
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Peg and Don,

Sorry, I have no advice to offer. But I want to say that I have been reading posts on this site for a while now and yours was the most moving I've read. I feel such extreme anguish and wish there was something I could do.

- Cliff

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05 Jun 2002
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16:07:50
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To the sister at Bayshore in Tampa, FL: Thanks for writing and posting/sharing your letter to the WTS.

Reader

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05 Jun 2002
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16:50:31
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I am a JW in NYC. I have no stories and only now of few. In my 21 yrs as a witness their are various things that I must admit I do not agree with. But when looking deep into the religion and its word one must admit that it is refreshing. Nothing and no one I perfect. But to turn ones back on Jehovah is definitely not the way to reconcile any issue. When dealing with men (which this sight is doing) you have to keep in my mind the true purpose. I question whether the person of the "Silent Lambs" is to show the mis handling by the congregation or to destroy the Christian brotherhood. I am a baptized sister and I do not disagree with exposing wrong doing. In the same sense I do feel their is another way to work these types of situations out without bringing it to such a level. At this point it is hard to say I approve and am OK with the fact that I even looked here. One must realize that Jehovah is in your heart and you must achieve salvation for yourself. I am not sure if this is the way to go about that though. Regardless, I hope that the all of the "Silent Lambs" and the header of the organization do not give up their faith in Jehovah. Whatever has been done to you was by men. Jehovah will deal with them in due time. Do not let MEN dictate your salvation.

Written With Respect, SKEPTICAL

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05 Jun 2002
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17:09:07
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Skeptical: Again, I gotta point it out, if you could hear yourself speak you would be embarrassed. 'Whatever was done to you was done by men', are you kidding? It is that fatalistic attitude that allows you to sit back and let it happen. If Jehovah has a preferred Org. on Earth, then he would certainly expect that all it's members would do their best to root out child abusers. Yes, God expects you to do what you can. You should be ashamed of yourself for having the idea that you should wait.

Also, it is time again to point out that you and other Witnesses continue to equate attacking evil practices in the organization as the same as turning one's back on God. It isn't. In fact, railing against child abuse and those that tolerate it is a very Christian avocation.

- Buster

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05 Jun 2002
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TO JESIKA THOMAN............

Hey girl, this is your aunt, Lin. I'm happy to see you are on here. I know you are in a lot of pain due to what my younger brother did to you many years ago. But, of course, it seems almost like yesterday, right? Believe me, I understand that. Boy do I understand that. I hope that being on Silentlambs will be of some comfort to you, especially to let you see you are definitely not alone. It tears my heart out to know how my brother hurt you, and how it swept under the carpet even amongst our family. I didn't become aware until many years later, when your mom told me after your parents divorced. To know my own brother molested you, and I had a pedophile for a brother, rips me apart. Thinking of him having been in our house with my two little daughters, ugh........

Then my own son was anally raped by John Milenger (Palatine, IL Cong) multiple times and threatened if he told. John has since died, lucky dog! Death was too easy for him, he deserved much more.......and I would have been only too happy to assist in bringing it all on him. All the difficulties and heartaches and struggles I've had with Andre. Here he was raped himself, only to keep it to himself for so many years, subsequently molest his littlest sister and has been in jail for four years now because of it. My son, a victim and also perpetrator, suffers but John is just.......dead, no pain no suffering.

Please call your sister or your mom and ask them for my email address, since there's been problems with people here sending viruses.

Your aunt Lin

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05 Jun 2002
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I'm either for or against Jehovah's Witnesses. I feel that no matter what religion you're in NO ONE, NOT NO ONE should rely on no person to control your thoughts as to what procedure to take in regard to child molestation.(If that has happened,Oh Boy!) If a crime has been committed against any family member. No matter what anyone says, one should take the matter to the authorities and not to mere men because you are the only one that can give account of the incident and parents should take responsibility for their own children and not look for the pastor to do it.

Now if these pastors. I forgot, elders state that you will be put out for doing so. GO TO THE AUTHORITIES TO GET THE PROOF NEEDED,DNA/Lie Detector tests etc. Then hopefully, these church people will see that you have the proof to show that these people are actually guilty and maybe they will believe and take action then. If not, still go on and take the next legal step. Don't be afraid of mere men!

It seems like one would not have to take these extreme measures to prove a crime, but there have been cases on talk shows where people have been accused of child molestation, the one accused was put in jail and had to serve time. On down the line it was proven that the person was not guilty of the crime after all, in some cases, because the child admitted that they falsely accused the person years after they have been put in prison. Now this person have a criminal scar because of the lie this child has told. There have been those such cases that have taken place too, you know.

So I guess those few cases put people in situations sometimes where they don't know what to do in the matter as to children reporting abuse. But, once it is found out, some sympathy should be given toward the abused.

No matter how we worship God, me must not downgrade one religion over another even though they might worship God in their so called way. "Do not return evil for evil!" I don't think that is "What Jesus Would Do!"

Downgrading people in this Jehovah Witness religion will just drive them away and not draw them to Jesus. I don't think Jesus would like that.

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05 Jun 2002
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I've got a question, what if someone murdered another person and there was only one witness to that murder, would the witness as a JW go to the elders first, and would they contact the legal department of the WT Society Headquarters to handle this case? Would that witness be threatened with disfellowshipping if he reported this crime to the police? Whether it is rape or murder it is still a crime, no religion can make a determination as to whether it should be reported or not. Any religion that feels that it is above the law (which Jehovah has put in the hearts of men) is in the wrong! I know how intimidating the Organization and the Congregations of JW's can be when it comes to an individual to think on his own. Dare to think for yourselves and if a crime is committed, call the authorities. Nobody has the right to violate another and no religion should spiritually rape the victim for reporting the crime.

again Cliff Moore

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05 Jun 2002
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I am a victim of sexual molestation at the hands of my father, and elder in the congregation. The cover up of molestations dates far back! They made me feel like I had to repent when I told! Jaws are nothing but a sick cult. The public needs to be informed as much as possible! JaneBarsoom@msn.com

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05 Jun 2002
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Buster:

I accept your challenge, i.e.: I would like to hear from one active Witness that is willing to re-examine Witness 'current understanding' (aka: self-interested justification) against the major themes of the New Testament.

I guess you can call me an active witness, although only until the end of this month.

Imagine a country called “Christianity”. This country has many strange laws but we are only going to consider one. We will examine. …Does anyone of YOU that has a case against the other dare to go to court before unrighteous men, and not before the holy ones? 1 Cor 6:1

In Christianity this scripture is used to stifle ANY taking of brothers to court for any injustice whether small or grievous.

Let's us use our imaginations and a little reasoning and common sense to see the outcome for the country of “Christianity.”

Any Predator could apply for citizenship and as long as he ONLY preyed on his fellow citizens he would be safe from prosecution.

Predators would be totally safe in Christianity, because its leaders are able to simply forgive him for any crime. Justice for victims is rarely practiced in this country. However if worse came to worse and the predator were convicted, he would only be asked to leave Christianity. There is no other penalty. He could always repent and return. Immigration statistics for Christianity show predators always return because conditions are harsh in other nations for their type.

But surely a predator who had cultivated the ability to “court” and then rape a little child would seldom be deported from Christianity. He would also be an expert at out smarting the silly leaders of this country.

And that's just one type of criminal protected in Christianity. We would also coddle child and wife beaters, essentially just any type of evil at all would be tolerated based on the 1 Cor 6:1 law.

Christianity would soon become blight to the nations around it for it would be filled with every type of manipulating criminal, and who knows when they would cross the border.

Christianity wouldn't be a very nice place for decent people who actually tried to apply the scriptures as explained to them by their leaders. They would be victimized, silenced and destroyed. But they would of course be thrown out of Christianity if they weren't willing to allow this to happen.

The only justice former members of Christianity would be found in other countries.

Christianity would allow some one like Clement Pandello (who admitted to molesting little girls for 40 yrs) and Mr. Fitzwater (who the WBTS knew had molested 17 children) full citizenship.

Who else would benefit from the law of 1 Cor 6:1 in Christianity?

Any cooperation that is willing to hide injustice to protect its reputation rather than caring for suffering members.

Any organization determined to never be forced to pay out money in lawsuits regardless of its deeds.

All the Bible Commentators I found on the Internet explain 1 Cor 6:1 as pertaining to small or even trivial matters. The types of matters settled by mediation today.

So did Watchtower 7/1 1961 p.415 (probably other places too).....The synagogue was the place where all minor cases involving Jews were heard and disposed of; and so also the apostle Paul argues that Christians should let the mature ones in the congregation judge matters rather than go to worldly courts to settle differences between themselves.

In Christianity Jehovah God would have great reproach heaped on his name and the many, many tears shed on his altar.

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05 Jun 2002
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23:04:51
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Thank you Bill Bowen, Barbara Anderson, Date Line and all others involved for your courage,commitment and hard work in bringing this terrible thing into the open. Certainly many children and adults who have been hurt in the past will be encouraged and find help through what you have accomplished, and much more pain and destruction of young lives will be averted. You have also further exposed the Watchtower Society in yet more of their hurtful dictates, which will help many more sincere Witnesses to know that Jehovah's will is not accomplished through the Watchtower. May God bless you all and many, many more through your efforts. My Sincere Thanks, Ted Brown P.S. My 17 year old son who has been raised by my wife as a witness saw the program on tape. I hope to persuade my wife to see it as well. My e-mail address is tedwardbrown@hotmail.com

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05 Jun 2002
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23:36:03
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" All that is necessary for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing".

Case closed.

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06 Jun 2002
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01:09:04
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the watchtower society USED to apply the scripture about not taking your brothers to court to civil suits .... NOW I see it being applied to protecting child molesters ... did Paul REALLY mean to allow your children to be molested when he said 'why not let yourself be wronged?' ... if this is the new light teaching from the organization ... then I guess I AM an apostate ... or would I be one if I went back to the organization that is promoting such UNchristian attitudes? after all ... when I was dedicated and baptized it was in line with the old teaching of protecting our children ... even though what was practiced was far afield from what was preached ... so to all you FAITHFUL ones ... do I betray my children ... my "inheritance from Jehovah's" and go back to their abusers? ... will going back to the lying, corruption and cover up make me LESS APOSTATE? or will it make me MORE? do I humbly ask for forgiveness from the elders who added their own abuse to my children? ... will that make me a better Christian? a better Jehovah's's witness? ... many of you are saying just that ,,,

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06 Jun 2002
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02:29:49
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I was raised in the White Rock congregation here in Dallas, Texas. I started studying, before my parents, when I was 9 and I honestly, truly believed everything I was taught at the Hall. It was all I had. That changed when as an adult, I was forced to deal with my abusive childhood. That was 14 years ago. Interestingly, no one in that cold and gossipy congregation had any problem believing my family was not only dysfunctional, but incestuous. It's amazing, but the cruel and harsh attitude the elders, as well as the rest of that congregation expressed toward myself and my wife sometimes feels as fresh as if it happened yesterday. One elder told me that a child can hurt a parent more than a parent hurt a child. I guess he's never been sodomized. Another was very proud of the fact that he and his wife were regular pioneers and their 2 small daughters were auxiliary pioneers. When they were interviewed on stage, and asked what they did for fun, one of the girls said, "We go out in service." Some fun. My heart went out to them then, as it does now. This elder told me that Jehovah was far too busy to be interested in my "petty little problem." Someone very wise and kind once said, "You will know my followers because they have love among themselves."

My father was, and still is a ministerial servant. He, and the rest of my family of origin are still held up as paragons of virtue. I, my wife and children, are not. I'm glad now that I had my name legally changed. It was a dirty name given to me by dirty people who now live in a whitewashed grave They are surrounded by a hypocritical and hollow people who lost something very precious somewhere along the way. And yet, after reading through this site, what happened to me is not even on the radar screen compared to the hideous things this religion has done to others.

I don't care what the Bible says, I don't care what scriptures are used and twisted, what has happened is wrong. It was wrong then. It is wrong now. It is eternally wrong! I cannot and will not believe in any god who approves of hiding or protecting a rapist, a pedophile, while shunning, blackballing or in any other way punishing the victim of the crime. Nor can I believe in any god who approves of disfellowshipping (spiritually killing) anyone who stands up to say "Enough! This must stop!" Forget biblical love, whatever happened to common human decency? Realize and believe this: not EVERY man, woman or child who screams, "Rape!" is lying. Some of us, just wish we were.

Peace

Christopher Scott formerly Scott Presley

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06 Jun 2002
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03:16:33
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Gadol:

Clergy "privilege" is for those who confess their sins - did you say someone confessed they were a pedophile ? Or are you saying if a child accuses someone of being a pedophile the pedophile is protected by the state??? You are mixed up.

The law applies to a person who CONFESSES to his clergy that he committed a crime.

TO THE FOLKS THAT RECEIVE THE VIRUS - can you help us identify it so that people won't stop leaving their email addresses? These people would like us to not communicate.

TO "STOP SPREADING LIES. YOU ARE WORSE THAN APOSTATES" - I say to you : stop spreading hatefulness, you are hurting Jehovah's spirit. Really you are.

There are worse things than being called apostate by a jerk such as being so closed off from own thinking that you can't comprehend the truth of what is being said.

We are not offended that you are so offended - you are pitiful. You are making an ass of yourself. Does it not say in the bible that we are to look at all sides of the matter before responding??? Or do you really believe there is only one side to the story and the other side is a lie???? Stop making a fool of yourself. Read Proverbs, say your prayers and go to bed like a good little boy. Or maybe you are a pedophile afraid that you are loosing control of your resource ?? MMMMMM.....maybe that is what you are:

COMMON BOND: That was very good of Common Bond to clear up the matter of their link to this site. I'm sure we all believed that "William Bowen" was endorsing Common Bond in his "spare time." Another tactic to 'DIVIDE PEOPLE AND CAUSE DIVISION" and not trust anyone but the WTS. How stupid.

GOOD IDEA ABOUT THE CANDLES. Bill: maybe you could raise money by having ads on the site? Or a ad sponsor section for us to view.

I downloaded the letter from United Nations - feel like nailing it to the KH door. I have not authenticated but I will.

The stories are heartbreaking. Truly heartbreaking. Amen

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06 Jun 2002
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The WT Org are still shouting about the end of this wicked system, But I for one think it will be the end of their evil Org and all the lies and deceits that go along with it. The web had opened up a whole new ball game , people aren't as dumb as they use to be, and the info on the net and this site will certainly make a few think twice about getting involved.What I find most amazing is these people who profess to be lovers of God can commit these acts to another human being, in a lot of cases their own flesh and blood.If it truly was Gods organization on earth, don't you think that God would have got all the prophecies right first time , like he did to Moses,noah,ect.they didn't have to wait for NEW light..LOL..and don't you think he would enlighten the 144,000 left here on earth at this present time of what was going on with child/wife abuse within the borg, like he did to lot in Sodom and Gomorrah..Strange don't you think??How naive can we be to be taken in with such a load of trash.If anyone would like to chat, or need someone to talk to please don't hesitate to look our community up on the msn.chat room listings worldwide web..JehovahWitnessRecovery..chatroom, for XJWs and friends..with Christian love Pinkcloud..ps.wonderful job you are doing, keep up the good fight

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06 Jun 2002
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I've been reading the stories and they are interesting. It is hard to get over years of pain. A friend of mine had me to look at this site. I've been doing research in regards to both sides. I did a brief survey with several Jehovah's Witnesses that I know about the issue. A good many of them watched the Dateline program. Which goes to show that some of these witnesses believe in some teachings of the Watchtower but at the same time they do have a mind of their own in that if their leaders dictate that they should not do this or that in regards to what television programs to watch and other things,they have enough sense to make up their own minds and not be guided by men.

I'm shocked about that since people say that it is a cult.

I did a survey and asked them did they think that the policy needed to be changed?

With the group that was willing to take the survey stated and felt that if that happened in their family, they would take responsibility and report it to the police on their own. They stated that the policy that Bill want to put into effect is claimed to be followed by the Watchtower Society. The problem is that the elders in these congregations are not following it. The Watchtower makes the rules, but if the people that are put in these positions are not following it,then you have a problem.

(*I guess that is why Bill is having a problem proving his point. The Watchtower feels that the policy he is talking about is in effect already.So what is there to change? Think about it.)

The ones I interviewed think the policy should be: *The elders that do not follow the guidelines regarding child abuse, will be deleted of all responsibilities.

The ones that I interviewed don't care if a elder tell them don't go to the police. If their child has been abused by someone in the congregation family member or not, they are going to the police.

I went over again some of the issues in the Dateline program and they feel that if you have a list of 23,000 molesters and if the Watchtower did not turn in that information to the police, you have the obligation to turn it in to the police.

The last questions I asked was Did they feel that the Watchtower was "God's Prophet on Earth?" The answer was: The Watchtower is only a legal agency that Jehovah's Witnesses use if some look at it as a God, then they are in error.

and I asked about the 1975 issue it was interesting to note that not all witnesses thought that 1975 was the end of the world. That was not taught everywhere. They admitted that(some) taught that,but they never believed it. How interesting.

So, from my research I came to the conclusion that there are different beliefs among the Jehovah's Witnesses. Since the organization change their rules so much. For instance,the one that left in 1975 might believe one thing, the one in 2002 believe another. Some that quote information from the 1940's that Jehovah Witnesses believed, is altogether new in 2002.

So next year we don't know what they might believe. Many of you are just going by what happened during the time period you were in there. My heart goes out to you anyway. I just wanted to past my information on to you anyway. I'm writing it for the summer semester.

College Student

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06 Jun 2002
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TO CHRISTOPHER SCOTT..........

Wow, someone I actually knew at one time!!! Chris, I vaguely recall hearing rumors about your family, and "claims of abuse". But that's all I remember, since I always tried to stay away from gossip. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if you my own father, Mel Thoman, was very involved in your case in some form since he was and still is an elder there. And, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if my own father weren't the elder who said your situation was a "petty problem". It sounds much like him, unfortunately.

I'm glad to see you are still happily married and with children. I'm so sorry you went through all you experienced, my own family has been affected personally as well. My own son, while we living in Palatine,Illinois was anally raped many times (by John Milenger) and he was only in the second grade. My son, now twenty years old, is soon to be released from juvenile jail after serving four out of twenty years for molesting my youngest daughter. My son served his time, but John Milenger simply died of heart failure many years ago, which in my opinion is too easy a death for someone who ruined my little boy and caused him to eventually molest his own little sister.

My heart goes out to you Christopher, and my thoughts are with you and your wife and children.

Linda Thoman DF'd in '95 Thank God!!!!!

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06 Jun 2002
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To Margaret Silvia: I use to attend the Stoughton Kingdom Hall. I left because of abuse that went unreported. Those people who have been abused will have to live with that for the rest of their lives. That organization and congregation foster an environment where molestation flourishes in secrecy. Please open your eyes to what is going on in that congregation as well as in the organization.

Name Withheld

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06 Jun 2002
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10:55:25
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I just feel that if you were really sincere in what you were doing you would not be asking for money, especially the Visa Mastercard button that does not disappear. I don't expect anyone to read this because obviously you wont post it

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06 Jun 2002
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10:57:13
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College Student,

Here are some quotes from Watchtower magazines and various publications by the WTBTS:

The men of Sodom will be resurrected (WT, 7-1879, 7-8).

The men of Sodom will not be resurrected (WT, 6-1-1952, 338).

The men of Sodom will be resurrected (WT 8-1-1965, 479).

The men of Sodom will not be resurrected (WT 6-1-1988, 31).

The men of Sodom will be resurrected (Live Forever, early ed., 179).

The men of Sodom will not be resurrected (Live Forever, later ed., 179).

The men of Sodom will be resurrected (Insight on the Scriptures, Vol. 2, 985).

The men of Sodom will not be resurrected (Revelation: Its Grand Climax at Hand! 273).

This is but one example of the editors of the publications changing dogma. Which is it? Are the men of Sodom and Gomorrah going to be resurrected or not? They cannot decide on that.

Not that they should. Who are they to judge a group of people almost 7000 years ago?

Regarding 1975. I was there. I can find many Watchtower and Awake magazine articles that reference the year 1975. The society only back tracked when nothing happened in 1975. People sold businesses and property, quit jobs, dropped out of school and spent money in a frenzy because Armageddon was coming in the fall of 1975. They even gave us the time of year.

Just like they did with 1914, 1918 and 1925.

There is soooo much documentation on these failed prophecies that it is laughable.

The argument that they are men and will have failings is a weak argument. They are telling people that they are the "faithful and discreet slave" and what they say is inspired.

>>>Is not the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society the one and only channel which the Lord has used in dispensing his truth continually since the beginning of the harvest period?>>>

Watchtower 1919 April 1 p.6414

A group of imperfect men who get so many dates wrong, cannot be God's only channel in dispensing his truth.

Do some research and discover the history of the Jehovah's Witnesses. You will be surprised by what you find.

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06 Jun 2002
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When I heard about the Dateline program and started visiting this website, I told myself that I would let someone else fight the battle this time. My darling husband Christopher and I fought his battle 14 years ago and have a box full of letters to and from the Society, notes from meetings with elders, transcripts of conversations with relatives and elders, etc. All fruitless. It was like beating our heads against a concrete wall. My father, a well-respected older man of the Anointed class, supported my husband and, as a consequence, never again was given a part on a circuit or district convention. And once my husband stopped going to meetings, it was as though I was invisible. I actually had an elder ask me brightly, on my first visit to our new Kingdom Hall, "And who do you belong to?" Yes, I still go to meetings because I don't know of any other organization that teaches the Bible the way I believe to be true.

I STRONGLY disapprove of how the Society's current policies treat (or, rather, don't treat) the subject of child abuse, and I cannot keep silent. It would be so simple for the elders, when told by a victim of their abuse, to say "do you want to go to the police or shall I do it for you?" -- end of problem. And how hard would it be to show love to a battered little lamb? If a sheep is lost, does the shepherd wait for the sheep to call HIM before going to find it? Because of all the rules that the elders are told to follow, it has made them, for the most part -- there are still some very loving brothers who are trying hard and I think we're hearing from a lot of them in this website -- afraid to express an emotion other than censorship.

I hope that this outcry will reach the hearts of the honest-hearted brothers out there. I remember Br. Henschel from my childhood, when he was Zone Servant for the Caribbean, and I always had the impression of a very earnest, truthful person who wanted to do the right thing. I hope he still is.

Jesika, my dear little lamb, I remember you so well. It tore my heart out back in White Rock when you were on the platform with your sister, very dispiritedly talking about how all you did was go out in service. No fun, no normal childhood activities. And then to find out about all of the abuse -- sweetie, I firmly believe with all my heart that you have a special place in Jehovah's heart, as you do in mine. E-mail me if you like -- I'd love to hear from you and I would NEVER treat you like a ghost. Linda, I remember you too, and I am truly sorry that you have gone through so much with your family. We have an 8-year-old daughter and a 6-year-old son and the thought of anything happening to them makes us both rather homicidal. I can only imagine the pain you've been through.

Lots of love to all on this website, Christina Scott (formerly Presley; Bibbee before that) cscott@mckoolsmith.com

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TO CHRISTOPHER SCOTT:

HI, my name is Jesika Thoman,I'm the oldest daughter of Michael Thoman. I remember as a child going over to your house. For some reason what sticks out is playing where is Carmen San Diego on the computer. I didn't have any memories of you or your wife until I saw your name(the one before you changed it). My aunt has already told you about her run in with sexual abuse, and how she believes our family was probably involved in saying some harsh things to you(my grandfather Mel and maybe even my dad). The irony is that Mel's youngest son(mike is the oldest of 6 children) molested me when I was 4. My family even now(most of the Thoman's) still refuse to address the issue since it was "so long ago". I was disfellowshipped when I turned 15,I'm 26 now and I have an 8yr old son. My younger sister Charice is 24 inactive and has a 3yr old son. My parents are divorced and they are both remarried. My mom Vilma is no longer attending meetings and has married a "worldly" man. I'm glad you are still married, I remember your wife was really nice and we enjoyed being around her. I bet she is a great mom!!!! Are you still in the Dallas area? I'm glad you didn't listen to what the elders told you, they were wrong. It's nice to see that you have moved on with your life. With love-

Jesika Thoman--WHITE ROCK CONG. DALLAS,TX

Remote User:
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06 Jun 2002
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I would like to add that anyone on this site should look into Meghan's Law. This law was enacted in California. Go to google.com and type in Meghan's Law. You will find it. Research it.

I would like to see addressed, by a practicing witness, why "lay clergy" are allowed to do family counseling?

The elders are uneducated and untrained in issues of family and counseling. Why are elders and the society getting involved in this? These molestation charges are criminal. I do not know of any JW who is a police officer.

If you are a practicing JW, please address this.

I was raised in the truth and am third generation. I know the rules and background.

Remote User:
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06 Jun 2002
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12:33:34
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I love this web site my congratulations to you!!! it's about time that the people that say that they are the mediator between us and God get what they deserve all they do is brainwash people it's time they get exposed just like the Catholics am tire of hear them say they are the only one religion and the truth and them hide this horrendous crimes they are doing,i almost fell into their trap was studying for yrs but never got baptized but a lot of my family is in the church of JW's this will give me lots of information to tell them how much part of this world of Satan they are too.....thanks

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06 Jun 2002
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06 Jun 2002 10:55:25

God does not dole out money from heaven. Bill is one man. This site is not for entertainment or just to bash JW's or ex-JW's. Bill with in reason has allowed each of us to decide our own conduct. Some people have shown restraint, others have been rageful. I have had feeling on both sides of that fence. This site has a bigger purpose than the WT. It is here to serve violated children. This site can if used correctly break the cycle of abuse. In child molestation the victim often later becomes the abuser. The same id true for physically abused children. If a boy sees his Father hit his mother then he often later hits his wife and his own children. Any male helpless to protect his mother from his Father's dark side will understand. Women who see their mother dominated mentally and physically often seeks males that are all to willing to provide that kind of lifestyle. It seems that the Jehovah's Witnesses breeds "Authority Personalities." That is sad. It is true that they by far not the only group that does. All patriarch societies do it to some extent. If I could only allow these people to see the Bible in "True" light instead of "new" light they would stop. Pathetically they (Meaning most people) still wish to use the Bible to justify their actions and beliefs. Thus the need to constant change views.

I hope soon that we can all speak freely without being targeted by individuals or organizations who fear people who are only speaking honestly.

Remote User:
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06 Jun 2002
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I do not know what is sicker rapists or you turning your back on Jehovah God, and to make things even worst you are asking for donations!!!! You should know better that being a true Witness does not mean being perfect.It sadness me that you are doing this publicly to damage this beautiful organization and God's name

I hope you reconsider before is to late!

Remote User:
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06 Jun 2002
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My friend is going to be mad with me for using her computer so much. But, she is the one that showed me this web-site. Whoever gave the list of documentation on the Watchtower, thanks for the help. I might use it in my paper. I have so much to work with.

It is unique as to how they change their teachings. The reason might be due to who was the President at the time and how they felt things should be operated, from what I read. Or the reason could lie on the person/persons that wrote these subjects. Who knows, there might have been different people that wrote these subjects and they were writing as to how they thought it should go. or The real ugly reason could be to confuse the ones that left. If you try to bring out a point that the Watchtower said, lets say in 1919,1950,1975 I can go on and on. They can say with ease "We don't believe that anymore!" "Look at what we believe now!" so the information that you are using to prove your point is useless. The information might be what they believed then, but they don't believe it now. Someone told me that they are not mailing Watchtowers no more, maybe the reason is that if the outsiders don't know what is going on inside, all the outsiders can do is rely on old information which is out of date.

All of what I'm saying is just my theory. It is something to think about.

Thanks again for your info whoever you are. When I get my degree. I'm working hard to finish school. I might write a book on Human Behavior dealing with mind control as to how far can one be influenced or let themselves be influenced. I haven't figured out the title yet. I'm thinking about doing that but I'm not making any promises. I'll be glad when my computer get fixed.

College Student

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Post from JW-media.org Jehovah's Witnesses and Child Protection

Child abuse is abhorrent to us. This is in harmony with the principle recorded at Romans 12:9. Even one abused child is one too many. For decades The Watchtower and Awake! have featured articles to educate both Witnesses and the public regarding the importance and the need to protect children from child abuse. Among others, there was the article "Let Us Abhor What Is Wicked!" published in the January 1, 1997, issue of The Watchtower ; "Help for the Victims of Incest" in the October 1, 1983, Watchtower, "Your Child Is in Danger!", "How Can We Protect Our Children?", and "Prevention in the Home", all in the October 8, 1993, Awake!, as well as "Child Molesting—Every Mother's Nightmare," in the January 22, 1985, Awake!

When any one of Jehovah's Witnesses is accused of an act of child abuse, the local congregation elders are expected to investigate. Two elders meet separately with the accused and the accuser to see what each says on the matter. If the accused denies the charge, the two elders may arrange for him and the victim to restate their position in each other's presence, with elders also there. If during that meeting the accused still denies the charges and there are no others who can substantiate them, the elders cannot take action within the congregation at that time. Why not? As a Bible-based organization, we must adhere to what the Scriptures say, namely, "No single witness should rise up against a man respecting any error or any sin . . . At the mouth of two witnesses or at the mouth of three witnesses the matter should stand good." (Deuteronomy 19:15) Jesus reaffirmed this principle as recorded at Matthew 18:15-17. However, if two persons are witnesses to separate incidents of the same kind of wrongdoing, their testimony may be deemed sufficient to take action.

However, even if the elders cannot take congregational action, they are expected to report the allegation to the branch office of Jehovah's Witnesses in their country, if local privacy laws permit. In addition to making a report to the branch office, the elders may be required by law to report even uncorroborated or unsubstantiated allegations to the authorities. If so, we expect the elders to comply. Additionally, the victim may wish to report the matter to the authorities, and it is his or her absolute right to do so.

If, when confronted, the accused confesses that he is guilty of child abuse, the elders take appropriate congregational action. If he is not repentant, he will not be permitted to remain a member of the congregation. Even if he is repentant—is cut to the heart and is thus resolutely determined to avoid such conduct in the future—what was stated in the January 1, 1997, issue of The Watchtower applies. The article said: "For the protection of our children, a man known to have been a child molester does not qualify for a responsible position in the congregation. Moreover, he cannot be a pioneer [full-time missionary of Jehovah's Witnesses] or serve in any other special, full-time service." He would not qualify Scripturally. (1 Timothy 3:2, 7-10) We take such action because we are concerned with maintaining Bible standards and protecting our children. Everyone in our organization is expected to meet the same requirements, namely, to be clean physically, mentally, morally, and spiritually.—2 Corinthians 7:1; Ephesians 4:17-19; 1 Thessalonians 2:4.

In a few instances, individuals guilty of an act of child abuse have been appointed to positions within the congregation if their conduct has been otherwise exemplary for decades. All the factors are considered carefully. Suppose, for example, that a long time ago a 16-year-old boy had sexual relations with a consenting 15-year-old girl. Depending upon the U.S. jurisdiction where he lived when this happened, elders may have been required to report this as an incident of child abuse. Let us say that 20 years have passed. The child abuse reporting law may have changed; the man may have even married the girl! Both have been living exemplary lives and they are respected. In such a rare case, the man could possibly be appointed to a responsible position within the congregation.

Our procedures have been refined over time. Over the years, as we have noted areas where our policies could be strengthened, we have followed through. We are continuing to refine them. We do not believe that our system is perfect. No human organization is perfect. But we do believe that we have a strong, Bible-based policy on child abuse. Anyone in a responsible position who is guilty of child abuse would be removed from his responsibilities without hesitation. We certainly would not knowingly allow him to serve elsewhere, either because he moved or through a transfer.

The Bible teaches that individuals can repent of their sins and "turn to God by doing works that befit repentance," and we accept what the Bible says. (Acts 26:20) Still, the safety of our children is of the utmost importance. We take it very seriously.

Remote User:
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06 Jun 2002
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Post from JW-media.org Jehovah's Witnesses and Child Protection

Remote User:
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06 Jun 2002
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Some of my in laws are JW's and I have been concerned about their contact with my children. They are only 3 and 5 with another on the way. I am very disturbed by the information about the watchtower/witnesses and the aggressive recruiting they do.

-David Sutton-Brown Ashby, Massachusetts USA

Remote User:
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06 Jun 2002
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15:29:45
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In response to:

"and to make things even worst you are asking for donations!!!! ""

So?? Do you think Jehovah will pay all the bills??*LOL*

Who do you think made is possible for the Watch Tower Society to become one of the wealthiest businesses in New York????? Who do you think paid for all their real estate????? Jehovah???*LOL*

Remote User:
Date:
06 Jun 2002
Time:
15:58:22
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Do you know who the enemies of Christ were? It was not the sinners. They loved him. It was the Religious establishment. They feared him because he threatened their power, their control over people.

You can make accusations that going against the doctrine of the WT as equal to going against God himself. You will have my pity for doing so. I understand that is what you have been programmed to do. You ask me to turn back before it is too late. I however found the Loving Father a long time ago maybe I should say HE found me. I don't need you for a guide. Thanks for the offer but I am not buying crazy today.

Here is a challenge for you Make friends with Jesus Christ today.

And yes, if the Government will not protect our children and the church is unwilling to do it then the duty falls on us as individuals to do it. That is the way it always has been and the way that it will always be. Supporting Silentlambs is a way that our voices unite and were there is unity there is Christ. Where there is only uniformity there exists evil and fear.

Remote User:
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06 Jun 2002
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I was a JW for 15 years, my husband abused me, cheated on me even putting a gun to my head twice, also threatening our children's lives. The Elders discouraged highly not to go outside the church for help, yet they themselves were not capable of helping. I spent many years crying myself to sleep. I'm now out and remarried to a very loving man. Deanne Skola Dee4Robb@aol.com

Remote User:
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06 Jun 2002
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18:45:57
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Congratulations on this site. JW had to spoke one day about all that victims. A lot of people support this site, I applaud to you.

Remote User:
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06 Jun 2002
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18:54:41
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I just found out about this site through the latest newscast of stories of Jaws who were abused on Dateline. I was totally outraged, but not surprised. I have a close friend who was abused by an elder in our hall when we were young. And she now is just starting to deal with her past.

I am so happy that this site exists and want to help as much as possible. I am an inactive JW, because of many reasons such as this one. I wish all of the victims the best. And hope that by coming out and speaking about your past that you are on the road to recovery.

Sincerely, Your fellow friend

Remote User:
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06 Jun 2002
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19:09:26
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Greetings all "Silent Lambs", Please visit my new website venture aimed at a group I have a sincere warm place in my heart for. http://www.gayxjw.org Thanks for your support.

Bill Bowen silentlambs.com

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06 Jun 2002
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19:13:48
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Greetings all "Silent Lambs", Please visit my new website venture aimed at a group I have a sincere warm place in my heart for. http://www.gayxjw.org Thanks for your support.

Bill Bowen silentlambs.com

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06 Jun 2002
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19:13:56
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Greetings all "Silent Lambs", Please visit my new website venture aimed at a group I have a sincere warm place in my heart for. http://www.gayxjw.org Thanks for your support.

Bill Bowen

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06 Jun 2002
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19:14:04
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Greetings all "Silent Lambs", Please visit my new website venture aimed at a group I have a sincere warm place in my heart for. http://www.gayxjw.org Thanks for your support.

Bill Bowen

Remote User:
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06 Jun 2002
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19:14:13
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Greetings all "Silent Lambs", Please visit my new website venture aimed at a group I have a sincere warm place in my heart for. http://www.gayxjw.org Thanks for your support.

Bill Bowen

Remote User:
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06 Jun 2002
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19:14:21
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Greetings all "Silent Lambs", Please visit my new website venture aimed at a group I have a sincere warm place in my heart for. http://www.gayxjw.org Thanks for your support.

Bill Bowen

Remote User:
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06 Jun 2002
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20:09:48
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Whoever keeps posting the link to the gay site and signing Bill's name to it is extremely immature!!!! Whether this is a child or an adult acting like a child don't waste your time, we know it's not Bill posting that. Don't you have anything better to do with your time??? Here's an idea--GROW UP!!!!!!!

Jesika Thoman ---Dallas,Tx

Remote User:
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06 Jun 2002
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20:10:19
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Whoever keeps posting the link to the gay site and signing Bill's name to it is extremely immature!!!! Whether this is a child or an adult acting like a child don't waste your time, we know it's not Bill posting that. Don't you have anything better to do with your time??? Here's an idea--GROW UP!!!!!!!

Jesika Thoman ---Dallas,Tx

Remote User:
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06 Jun 2002
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20:10:28
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Whoever keeps posting the link to the gay site and signing Bill's name to it is extremely immature!!!! Whether this is a child or an adult acting like a child don't waste your time, we know it's not Bill posting that. Don't you have anything better to do with your time??? Here's an idea--GROW UP!!!!!!!

Jesika Thoman ---Dallas,Tx

Remote User:
Date:
06 Jun 2002
Time:
22:03:36
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So if a JW confesses to an elder that he is molesting children and repents, then he is off the hook. No counseling, no treatment of any sort not even a slap on the hand...and what about the child? It seems like all the people I have read about that were abused pretty much were the victim in more ways that one. There is forgiveness in repentance, but that is why Jesus Christ had to die, because we are sinners and fall short time after time.

I wonder if one of these elders who holds to "keeping it in the church walls" sort of thing had a JW brother come to him and ask for forgiveness because he had been molesting that particular elders daughter!!!!! It's not so easy to hold to the rules when it's your own.

COLLEGE STUDENT: Keep up your study on the deceitful ways of the JW's - a great book is "REASONING FROM THE SCRIPTURES WITH THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES BY RON RHODES" Excellent commentary and proof of twisting scripture even in their own new world translation. Excellent teachings that leads us back to the Greek words and how the Watchtower continually changes scripture to fit the society today.

It is so important to check into the history of where the religion you rely on for eternal salvation had derived from. Check into the founder of the JW's Charles Taze Russell. That is really something! From what I understand, the JW's would rather he just didn't even exist...they are ashamed of their own founder and their first real "link" to god. (Gimme a break)

In Christ's loving name...

Kandy

Remote User:
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06 Jun 2002
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To the one who keeps on bashing the proprietor of this site. Take a moment to reflect on your behavior. Know that God knows its you that is doing it and you can't hide from God. We already know its you and not Mr Bowen doing this. He has already stated he is not affiliated with ANY other site so shame on you for your childish ways, the only one your hurting is yourself.

Remote User:
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Hello, I cant say my name because of a civil suit which I started against the society 4 years ago. At that time there was so internet support like I see you have here today. This web site was like a miracle to me. I too thought I was alone. My father abused me from the time I was 13. I too went to the elders and was told to keep it quiet. Even the bethel sent letters to my congregation to keep me quiet. It was a big issue at the time. I have suffered a lot from it. All of my family and relatives are JW's, so it has been a hard few years. My lawsuit goes to trial in a few months. I have passed on this web page to my lawyer here in Canada, so that he will get a better idea of the society's stance on abuse. Thank-you to all of you who have left your stories. If this all works out well for me I will be able to go public with it soon. I want them to pay, just as I have paid with my life. needs_lots

Remote User:
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06 Jun 2002
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Hello, I cant say my name because of a civil suit which I started against the society 4 years ago. At that time there was so internet support like I see you have here today. This web site was like a miracle to me. I too thought I was alone. My father abused me from the time I was 13. I too went to the elders and was told to keep it quiet. Even the bethel sent letters to my congregation to keep me quiet. It was a big issue at the time. I have suffered a lot from it. All of my family and relatives are JW's, so it has been a hard few years. My lawsuit goes to trial in a few months. I have passed on this web page to my lawyer here in Canada, so that he will get a better idea of the society's stance on abuse. Thank-you to all of you who have left your stories. If this all works out well for me I will be able to go public with it soon. I want them to pay, just as I have paid with my life. needs_lots

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06 Jun 2002
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TO LINDA THOMAN:

Thank you for your postings and your kind words. I am truly sorry for what happened to your son. I've read it several times now and it hurts each time. I think I remember him, and I'm sorry now I didn't get to know you guys a little better. I spoke with Jesika this afternoon, and I told her to please pass my phone number and email on to you. I would like to hear from you, if you want. Either way, I hope things are going well for you now.

It's funny. All that anger and bitterness I had toward White Rock is slipping away. All I can think about now is what a waste. I feel such sadness for victims and survivors here. All those lives changed, all that heartache and for what?

Remote User:
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06 Jun 2002
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23:19:48
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TO LINDA THOMAN:

Chris Scott

Remote User:
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06 Jun 2002
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23:42:02
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Someone wrote: "Remote User: Date: 03 Jun 2002 Time: 10:25:27 Comments The answer is simple. Consider the situation with the Catholics. Why are priests even around children. They shouldn't be.

If the complaints are about Witnesses? Why is anyone not the parent around a child.

So people, stop complaining and don't let your children be around anyone but the parents."

*****Unfortunately, in the majority of cases it is the parents, or close relatives, which are the abusers. Not a good answer.

Remote User:
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06 Jun 2002
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Hi again,

Some wrote in about the preaching and how all servants of Jehovah are to preach. There are many ways to preach with out being sent out door to door. LETTER WRITING; PHONE CALLS ETC. I get very tired of hearing how the society protects children when they don't. These people who write this should have the be children in our congregations for a year. Then we will see if they still spout the same message...That I doubt. A change of heart will be in order.

It is the same with going to the meetings. We are expected to be there even thou the pedophiles who molested our children still attend and sit across from them. I ask how is this protecting the children? A lot of victims and their families have to listen on the phone to hear the meetings. Really these so call changed pedophiles should be the ones to listen on the phone since it is their behavior that has caused the problem!! Maybe if the access to the children at the kingdom halls was taken away we might see how many are really repentant. I think a lot would not bother and look else where.

If these pedophiles had to make a public confess in front of the entire congregation I don't think a lot would stick around. To practice their perversion they need to be anonymous and keep it secret. A list of these pedophiles should be kept where publishers have access so the know who they are. I would go along way to protect the children!

The secrecy allows them to operate in relative freedom. This web site is breaking the silence around this issue. Thanks again. Its been needed for so long!!! DJB

Remote User:
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06 Jun 2002
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HEY CHRIS!!!!!!!

It's me Jesika. I'm glad to see you on the site again. I thoroughly enjoyed our conversation and wasn't really ready to stop. I am also glad to see your name on here, I know it isn't an easy thing to do for a lot of people. It made me feel like I made a difference when you told me why you decided to. To think if I hadn't put my name on here I still wouldn't have been able to talk to you or Cristina. I'm so looking forward to running up and giving you a BIG HUG!!!!!

With lots of Love,

Jesika Thoman-- Dallas,Tx

Remote User:
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06 Jun 2002
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HEY CHRIS!!!!!!!

With lots of Love,

Jesika Thoman-- Dallas,Tx

Remote User:
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07 Jun 2002
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GUESS WHAT???!!!!!

I found a Guestbook for ex-JW's. The owner of the site approves the entries before they are posted. I guess to keep those from attacking the ones on the site-I really don't know for sure. Anyways it's:

escapefromwatchtower.com I found it searching on Yahoo. Just an option, no offence Bill!!!! I like to read as many stories as I can. Thank you so much Bill, you have changed many lives!!!!!

Jesika Thoman-- Dallas,Tx

Remote User:
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07 Jun 2002
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GUESS WHAT???!!!!!

escapefromwatchtower.com I found it searching on Yahoo. Just an option, no offence Bill!!!! I like to read as many stories as I can. Thank you so much Bill, you have changed many lives!!!!!

Jesika Thoman-- Dallas,Tx

Remote User:
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07 Jun 2002
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00:50:10
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GUESS WHAT???!!!!!

escapefromwatchtower.com I found it searching on Yahoo. Just an option, no offence Bill!!!! I like to read as many stories as I can. Thank you so much Bill, you have changed many lives!!!!!

Jesika Thoman-- Dallas,Tx

Remote User:
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07 Jun 2002
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DOES ANYONE KNOW FOR SURE THE TIME AND DAY OF THE MSNBC DATELINE RE-BROADCAST? ALSO..IN RESPONSE TO THE JW'S WHO THINK THE SOCIETY HAS CHANGED THEIR POLICY OF REPORTING ABUSE. THE CONG. LETTER SAYS "IN STATES WHERE IT IS REQUIRED TO REPORT, THE ELDERS REPORT IT." DOES THIS MEAN THAT IN THOSE 16 STATES THE ABUSER IS A CRIMINAL BUT IN THE OTHER 34 STATES HE IS NOT?? IS SEXUAL ABUSE OF CHILDREN AN ACT OF IMMORALITY? IF YOU ANSWERED YES, THEN DOES THIS MEAN THAT JW MOLESTERS ARE IMMORAL IN THOSE 16 STATES BUT NOT IN THE OTHER 34??? DO WE HAVE A MORAL OBLIGATION TO REPORT A NEIGHBOR OR RELATIVE WHO IS BEATING AND PHYSICALLY ABUSING A CHILD?....EVEN IF IT IS NOT LEGALLY REQUIRED OR DO WE SIT BACK AND WAIT FOR THE CHILD TO DIE???? DON'T WE HAVE A MORAL OBLIGATION TO PROTECT THE CHILDREN IN THE KH??? THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT ERIKA IN OTHELLO! THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT MOLESTING!! THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT COVERING IT UP!! THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT NOT DISCIPLINING THE ABUSER!! IT IS ABOUT SHUNNING THE VICTIM AND THE VICTIMS FAMILY AND SUPPORTING THE MOLESTER!!! IT IS ABOUT HUNDREDS OF VICTIMS WHO HAVE BEEN WRONGED OVER YEARS. ALL OF THE ABOVE ARE WRONG, WICKED, DESPICABLE ACTS AND SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED BY ELDERS, CO'S, CONGREGATIONS, THE GOVERNING BODY OR INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS OF THE CONG. NOW WHEN I GO THE KH I WILL BE WONDERING WHO HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN ABUSE ISSUES, I WILL WONDER WHICH ELDERS COVERED IT UP, I WILL WONDER WHICH PERSON HAS BEEN ABUSED BY SOMEONE HIM OR HER TRUSTED IN THE ORGANIZATION. WHAT A SAD TIME FOR JEHOVAH'S'S PEOPLE AND FOR THOSE WHO CAN NOT OPEN THEIR EYES LONG ENOUGH TO SEE THE TRUTH IN THESE STORIES. YES WE ARE ALL IMPERFECT BUT THESE ARE NOT MISTAKES WE ARE TALKING ABOUT....THESE ARE CRIMINAL ACTS, IN MANY CASES A PRACTICE OF CRIMINALITY. WHAT IS MORE CRIMINAL AND IMMORAL.....THE ABUSER OR THOSE WHO COVER IT UP, ALLOWING THE ABUSER TO CONTINUE ABUSING AND SHUNNING THE ABUSED. NOT ONLY ARE JEHOVAH'S'S PEOPLE (THE ONES WITH OPENED EYES) SADDENED...BUT HOW SADDENED MUST JEHOVAH'S BE...WHO CREATED ALL THINGS. JAZBUG55@AOL.COM

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DOES ANYONE KNOW FOR SURE THE TIME AND DAY OF THE MSNBC DATELINE RE-BROADCAST? ALSO..IN RESPONSE TO THE JW'S WHO THINK THE SOCIETY HAS CHANGED THEIR POLICY OF REPORTING ABUSE. THE CONG. LETTER SAYS "IN STATES WHERE IT IS REQUIRED TO REPORT, THE ELDERS REPORT IT." DOES THIS MEAN THAT IN THOSE 16 STATES THE ABUSER IS A CRIMINAL BUT IN THE OTHER 34 STATES HE IS NOT?? IS SEXUAL ABUSE OF CHILDREN AN ACT OF IMMORALITY? IF YOU ANSWERED YES, THEN DOES THIS MEAN THAT JW MOLESTERS ARE IMMORAL IN THOSE 16 STATES BUT NOT IN THE OTHER 34??? DO WE HAVE A MORAL OBLIGATION TO REPORT A NEIGHBOR OR RELATIVE WHO IS BEATING AND PHYSICALLY ABUSING A CHILD?....EVEN IF IT IS NOT LEGALLY REQUIRED ? OR DO WE SIT BACK AND WAIT FOR THE CHILD TO DIE???? DON'T WE HAVE A MORAL OBLIGATION TO PROTECT THE CHILDREN IN THE KH??? THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT ERIKA IN OTHELLO! THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT MOLESTING!! THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT COVERING IT UP!! THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT NOT DISCIPLINING THE ABUSER!! IT IS ABOUT SHUNNING THE VICTIM AND THE VICTIMS FAMILY AND SUPPORTING THE MOLESTER!!! IT IS ABOUT HUNDREDS OF VICTIMS WHO HAVE BEEN WRONGED OVER MANY YEARS. ALL OF THE ABOVE ARE WRONG, WICKED, DESPICABLE ACTS AND SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED BY ELDERS, CO'S, CONGREGATIONS, THE GOVERNING BODY OR INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS OF THE CONG. NOW WHEN I GO THE KH I WILL BE WONDERING WHO HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN ABUSE ISSUES, I WILL WONDER WHICH ELDERS COVERED IT UP, I WILL WONDER WHICH PERSON HAS BEEN ABUSED BY SOMEONE HIM OR HER TRUSTED IN THE ORGANIZATION. WHAT A SAD TIME FOR JEHOVAH'S'S PEOPLE AND FOR THOSE WHO CAN NOT OPEN THEIR EYES LONG ENOUGH TO SEE THE TRUTH IN THESE STORIES. YES WE ARE ALL IMPERFECT BUT THESE ARE NOT MISTAKES WE ARE TALKING ABOUT....THESE ARE CRIMINAL ACTS, IN MANY CASES A PRACTICE OF CRIMINALITY. WHAT IS MORE CRIMINAL AND IMMORAL.....THE ABUSER OR THOSE WHO COVER IT UP, ALLOWING THE ABUSER TO CONTINUE ABUSING AND SHUNNING THE ABUSED. NOT ONLY ARE JEHOVAH'S'S PEOPLE (THE ONES WITH OPENED EYES) SADDENED...BUT HOW SADDENED MUST JEHOVAH'S BE...WHO CREATED ALL THINGS. JAZBUG55@AOL.COM

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Just visited the web site escapefromwatchtower.com

Escapefromwatchtower can be offensive - a book is advertised there that says Jesus smoked dope! I am sure...anyway it challenges everything from the bible, paradise, go ahead and put up a tree etc...it was overwhelming and commercial to me.

Personally for me , the bible is my life saver, God is my father and protector and the 10 commandments are so simple - this has been my refuge from the WTS & KH. I am not interested in giving these things up then I would really have no place to go.

I have found great comfort in the silentlambs. Just reading the process that everyone is going through and how you are coping is a comfort to me. The expressions on this site are from the heart. I like it here even though I am cut to the heart.

Silentlambs is a quiet safe place to come to even though the lambs are screaming. There is nothing here to distract, interject our thoughts except for the few jerks. There is a lot of sweet compassion, outrage at the injustices -pure unrighteousness. Anyway I trust it here and find it a safe place to share without anyone pushing an agenda.

Thank you Bill for this "quiet" safe place for the lambs to scream. I am not a surfer of the web, don't have the time for that. This is the only place I come. I am Ashamed of how I let them manipulate me and spiritually abuse me and the nasty habits I picked up there at the KH.

I was very distraught last October?? prayed silently for Jehovah's direction and to clear up a matter of being aware that is was not safe at the KH and I was believing that I was going to lose God's favor. I was scared and alone. By mere chance or in answer to my prayer I found Silentlambs. I called Bill and he spent much time with me on the phone, recommended I read Cults and Mind Control. Talking with Bill made me feel sane again and not as scared of what I sensed about the lack of safety. Anyway, Jehovah does answer prayers and He exists separate from the KH & WTS and so do I!

Because of Bill, the silentlambs who scream, the couple of books recommended I am doing much much better since last October.

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I am absolutely overwhelmed by this horrifying tragedy! I hope the Society pays dearly for their limited insight and reasoning power. Way to go Bill and Erika, GIVE THEM A COUPLE OF BLACK EYES.

Willie R. wirees71@aol.com zenreese@aol.com

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And the Silent Lambs will scream, until something is done. It's about time this country, the world, the media, parents, religious leaders, and the everyday rank and file hear these screams. No more pushing it under the rug because of reproach, embarrassment, etc. Why do the JW's think they are better than the Catholics in that their injustices should be hidden? It's not about religion, or these other things. It's about the truth of light.

Jehovah has felt the pain of the children, and finally feels the time is right to cleanse *every* organization of its filth.

These injustices shall no more be suffered in the shadows with agonizing silence, but shall be brought into the vindicating and freeing light of truth. All of the perpetrators of these great tragedies shall slink back into the darkness and retreat to more hospitable places than organized religion.

Unfortunately for some, if not most, of the survivors, Caesar's law is not encompassing enough to catch the perpetrators. Statutes of limitations will be brought in defense. However, this can be changed. I urge everyone, if living in states that do not require reporting of this abhorrent, sinful, and disgusting acts, to write your congressional leaders and demand that laws be changed. I also urge everyone to write these same leaders and demand that statutes of limitations be extended to 10 years after the abuse is reported.

The JW's say we should leave it all up to Jehovah, that when his time is right, he will demand an accounting. I am sure Jehovah would tell us to try to protect who we can now.

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HI there,

How come we do not see the witnesses on Newspapers or Magazines like the Catholics. It is about time they get exposed or getting sued. I did not hear any thing since May 28, 2002 after the Dateline coverage. We/I want to see them admit their mistakes in front of millions of people around the world. Come on guys help us here. Mr. Bowen, go after them as soon as possible. You got the proofs from many witnesses and I do not understand why do we have to wait till they get exposed. Let's get them and stop the hurting at the same time find justice from North America to Asia who knows in Antarctica too. My best advice is, let's expose them like the Catholics did? why wait? They are saying it is trial and tribulation of the world but look what a mess they have to clean up! Please Mr.Bown do not wait too long because it is fresh news now before it becomes outdated tomorrow becomes outdated.

Sincerely yours, Brandy braun_brandy@hotmail.com

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I have a website with a few free issues of The Post-Traumatic Gazette which some of your readers might find helpful. Here's a quote from my issue on PTSD and Spirituality: "...true repentance (“To make a change for the better as a result of remorse or contrition for one's sins.”) is not just words, particularly not just the words, “I'm sorry. I'll never do it again.” Repentance is also paying for therapy for the abused person and getting therapy or whatever it takes so the offense is never repeated. Religious leaders who encourage hitting children, especially breaking their spirit and demanding instant obedience, are also spiritually abusing their congregations. They participate in the creation of a new generation of victims, traumatized numb people who can't tell when they are hurting others." I also think it is spiritual abuse to say only we have the truth. If God created everything, God also created all the different religions and spiritual paths, so everyone can find what they need. It is human beings who say this is the only way (i.e. give me your money and faith and kids). this is easier to see when you look at another religion than at one's own. Patience Mason Editor and Publisher The Post -Traumatic Gazette www.patiencepress.com ptg@patiencepress.com

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hi there,

When is the next Dateline coverage scheduled. Please if you have any info email it to me.

Ted_santa@lycos.com

Thanks, Ted

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To those who have not read the letters from the society on this page, take the time to read the advice from them on a confessed murderer and a known pedophile. They act as if smoking pot was more of a problem than the confession of unsolved murders and heaven forbid it cause his wife or him any problem. Again no regard for the families seeking justice in the cases. I am sick, actually nauseated, that I could have EVER associated with such an evil organization. I WILL NEVER TRUST any organized religion ever. I will putter in my flowers and take delight in the wonders of nature created by God, I will laugh with innocent children and I will avoid the machinations of those who seek power of those same children, namely the society and those weak disgusting men that Lord that they are in touch with Jehovah's will. Well obviously they are on the receiving end of some direction.Did they ever stop to think that they are more in league with Satan? Reminds me of the religious leaders that burned innocents with their bibles hmmmm To think I thought they were a moral,respectful influence once LOL Now I understand why I was so shocked when a PIONEER SISTER asked me if I thought my fiance could take care of me sexually. I was stunned, since we had a chaste courtship a few kisses until the honeymoon, I was stunned. Now I realize she wasn't alone in her weird depraved thinking.... To all Silentlambs my heart and tears go out to you, may they be the first to crumble not you.

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An Open Letter To My Parents:

Mom and Dad, June 6, 2002

For many reasons, I feel compelled to write and express a few things to you.

First of all, I'm engaged. No date has been set. You both will surely be relieved to know he's white. I remember only too well comments made by mom about Alicia's interest in marrying a black man, as if there's something strange or weird about it. Like, “Why can't she find a nice white brother?” And to think the society is always saying it's a “world-wide-brotherhood”. I guess it's possible, just don't try to marry my son or daughter, right?

Dad, I remember when I was very young being “daddy's little girl”, sitting on your lap in your recliner. I remember when Andre was very little, being my sweet little baby boy. Until John Milenger ruined my second-grader, by many times over sodomizing my little boy in the elders private office at the KH of a “world-wide brotherhood”. Then, threatening him if he spoke out. He kept quiet for so many years, suffering in silence. I know what it means to keep quiet for many years, but my fear of speaking out is gone forever. I'm not afraid of the threat to be disfellowshipped, as it means nothing to me. I celebrated the night it was announced years ago. I've never been more free and happy than I am now.

I remember vividly how safe and secure I felt being daddy's little girl. But that day ended very abruptly and emotionally devastated me the day I told you and mom what Mike Earhardt did to me. My life changed that day, my security being daddy's little girl ended and my self-esteem was severely damaged. I remember vividly running home, with Keith in tow, running into the house and immediately telling you what Mike had done. I even had my torn shirt to show you. But, before I could even get the whole story out, you yelled at me for making up such a horrible story and that I had really just been playing outside on my way home from school and tore my shirt and how I was trying to blame it on someone else. I was then sent to my room, with one swift kick on the butt while climbing the stairs. You never again brought up the subject with me after that. I know you asked Keith about it, but big deal. He was three years younger than I was, and he wasn't the one who had a grown man on top of him pulling on his shirt resulting in it being torn. Keith wasn't the one Mike was saying, “You know you want it, you know you want it”. As usual, it was swept under the rug, never to be brought up again. At least, not by you.

I find it very ironic that several years later, you were willing to go to court because some stranger tried to lure me and a little friend of mine into his car, and we ran when we thought we saw him pull a gun. But wait, he wasn't a Witness so that makes all the difference, right? But, we appeared in court, but we left within minutes after someone in court spoke to you privately. Here I was the reason why we were there, but I was never told why we were leaving court, and what was said to you. I was simply told in the car to hush up. Never to be brought up ever again. You must have been thrilled, another case swept under the rug, and no one would ever have to know.

It taught me something…It taught me that when bad, even very bad, things happen to me I shouldn't tell anyone. What good would it do? For me, telling meant I got in trouble, not the person who hurt me. For Andre, telling meant he wasn't loved by God, which is what John told him as well as telling Andre that “this is how Jehovah wants us to show love for each other”. And you should be proud, Andre and I were both “very good little witnesses” ‘cause we both kept our mouths shut and didn't tell anyone, not one single solitary soul. But, my little baby girl Heather suffered for Andre's silence. Andre's silence wasn't broken until he was safe and secure behind prison bars for hurting Heather. Andre goes to jail for hurting Heather; John Milenger simply dies of heart problems; Keith………Oh yeah, he got off scott-free, didn't he Dad? He hurts Jesika, Mike actually walks in on it, and mums the word, right? Pathetic. Jesika is made to suffer in silence, so everyone else can carry on “normally” and no one is embarrassed. She lives her life “acting out” and no one seems to care about Why? But rather, let's disfellowship Jesika for comparatively minor things, but not look at the real cause of her behavior. Let's just disfellowship her and no one will ever be the wiser. You would say something like, “Just get over it”. Look a victim in the eyes, and try to explain to them why secrecy, silence and denial are more important than that child's pain and self-worth and safety. Or, like Scott Presley years ago being told that “Jehovah is too busy to be bothered by such petty problems”. I guess you elders have never been sodomized yourselves.

I hold you and every other elder, in every congregation, responsible for what happened to me, my children, my niece Jesika and many, many more victims that are now just beginning to speak out and not being silenced any longer. And to know that you had entertained the thought of going into a business adventure with Mike Earhardt back in the 80's, ripped my soul apart. I used to be, I repeat used to be daddy's little girl, but you took that away from me by believing Mike Earhardt over your own little girl.

Elders have been aware of pedophiles in congregations for many years, and have failed to warn parents, and my children and I have the emotional scars to show for it. You elders have held us children out as “little carrots” to bait pedophiles. I view elders as robots for the headquarters in New York. Programming every word and thought of elders, ministerial servants, down to the general audience, threatening with disfellowshipping anyone who dare speak out against secrets, lies, and victimizing policies. Simpleton robots programmed to ensure continued financial donations.

You should be proud, Dad. I was a good little girl and kept my dirty little secret so no one would be embarrassed. I did such a good job that I never told a single, solitary soul when my own brother, Mike, touched me. I won't keep quiet anymore. Mike was apparently a little too interested in his Biology/Health class in school and wanted to see for himself. He had our other brothers there to see too, except for Steve, who was the look-out. Looking for you or mom to come home. I remember thinking it seemed kind of funny that even though mom walked into Steve/Mike's room, finding all of us in there, and finding me in their closet buttoning and zipping my pants, that she never asked me one thing about it. Not one single thing.

I somehow learned from both Mike's that there must be something pretty interesting and important inside my pants for boys/men to want to see or touch it. I was so very young, but it didn't take me long to find out just what that was. One of my other brothers taught me. You and mom were so worried about me getting to the dating age, worried that I'd sleep with some boy, or with Javier. You were many, many years too late.

I'm so happy that Dateline and Bill Bowen are making it easier for us victims to speak out. No, they are helping us scream out what we've kept bottled up tight for way too long. No one will ever again shut me up. I've tried for many years to figure out how you, or any other elder, can blindly accept and fulfill every single rule coming from NY, when so many of us have suffered because of it. Then, I start to wonder…..Why is it that I know about my mother's childhood, but I know absolutely nothing about my father's childhood? When I mentioned many, many years ago having a desire to ask you about it, I was told under no uncertain terms not to. Is it possible that my father is so hard, unyielding, quick to anger and a belt, because of some horrible, perhaps dirty little secret he's kept swallowed inside of him since his childhood? I don't know. But I will not keep quiet any longer about the rampant abuse of children amongst the organization. I applaud every victim who stands and demands to be heard.

Linda Thoman

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Well done, I have just passed details of your site to the BBC in Manchester, they have a regular programme called "Sunday" in which they look at topical issues. I hope they contact you.

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Brandy,

I have mailed letters to Newspapers, and TV News groups all over the West coast. Do the same. Don't bother wasting time with writing the (WT). They have their heads so far up their butts I don't know how they breath. Don't ask why have they not ran stories? TELL THE NEWSPAPERS TO DO STORIES. Look at the Editorials. Write a story if you are a victim. Write a story if you are outraged. Take out a "Silentlambs" ad in your newspaper. That could be done for the cost of a latte or two per week. Most people don't know what goes on in the JW's. Most people just think that they are weird. Rape and Crisis clinics need to be aware of this cults desire to stop the reporting of crime, or getting any type of help. If you get help from the outside you are not depended on the creepy elerderoids for programming.

Don't ask; Why has something not been done? YOU DO SOMETHING! You do it. Take control of your life. You are responsible for it.

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Hello All!

My name is Charice Thoman. My sister Jesika, my aunt Linda, and good friends Christopher and Christina Scott, have all posted here in the last few days....and now it is time for me to speak out too.

I was raised in the White Rock congregation in Dallas, Tx. And might I say a cheery 'right on!!!' to Chistopher Scott! It was/is a ~VERY~ gossipy Hall! I grew up knowing my sister had been molested by my uncle. I also grew up knowing that this kind of behavior was not only tolerated, but excused by family and the elders. It was only a matter of time before I had to experience it for myself. At the age of about 5 or 6 I was molested by a brother, a family friend, from the same hall I grew up in. About 10 years later around the age of 16 I was sexually assaulted by a ministerial servant/regular pioneer from the Spring Valley Congregation in Richardson, Tx., in his family's house where I was to spend the night with his sister. When I took that case to the brothers, I had not 1, not 2, but 5 'witnesses' to 'testify' on my behalf in the elder's meeting. None of my witnesses were allowed in the meeting. The very next week he was back on the stage presenting prayer for all in attendance, all I could do was hold back my tears, and say nothing.

I have found so much peace in NOT being a JW!!! Stay strong..... Thank you for listening.... puertogerm@yahoo.com please feel free to write!!

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Visited a site on Post Trauma Stress Syndrome- excellent and informative. Email address is patiencepress.com is the email address. She has four articles that can be printed for free. I left Patience information on how to contact Bill- hope they share info.

The sexual abuse causes Post Trauma Stress Syndrome absolutely does - that is the biggest symptom that destroys our lives. The anxiety, nightmares, hyper-vigilance, flashbacks are Post Trauma Stress.

My love to you all.

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IN RESPONSE TO JUNE 7 3:14

I was unaware of the offensive comments on that sight. I went straight to the Guestbook, and that was all I looked at. I am sorry I didn't further investigate the site itself!!!!!

To CHARICE THOMAN

WAY TO GO SIS!!!! Doesn't if feel great to get it off your chest and put it out there for everyone to see? It's a start and that's what it takes, for all of us to start telling what we have been told to keep silent!!!

With Love----Jesika Thoman-- Dallas,Tx White Rock Cong.

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IN RESPONSE TO JUNE 7 3:14

I was unaware of the offensive comments on that sight. I went straight to the Guestbook, and that was all I looked at. I am sorry I didn't further investigate the site itself!!!!!

To CHARICE THOMAN

With Love----Jesika Thoman-- Dallas,Tx White Rock Cong.

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To Charice,

I'm proud of you girl! Stand up and be heard. Don't ever let anyone silence you again. I've just posted my story of being an abused wife on the other board, Battered Lambs. I will never again be silenced! Thank you Bill for all your hard work, and your efforts to help all of us victims of abuse. I will help get the word out as much as I can. I have your Banner on my own personal web site, and have received many comments on it already on my message board. God bless you Bill!

Linda Thoman

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The pinheads at jwzone.org are also concerned about the awful bad people of this worldly world. Here's a sample of their drivel:

Witness Z0ne BBS > Interlink Frequencies > Briefing Room > Fortunately he was caught

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06-07-2002 05:44 AM

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Fortunately he was caught Ex-teacher arrested for trying to 'buy' children

MEMPHIS — Daniel Pond, a former music teacher at Poplar Grove School in Franklin, is being detained by federal authorities in Memphis on charges of crossing a state line to engage in sex with a minor younger than 12.

Pond was arrested by special agents of the FBI last Wednesday in Greenwood, Miss. He is accused of attempting to pay $200 to take custody of two children, ages 5 and 7, for several days. He also is charged with possession and interstate transportation of child pornography — specifically computer images depicting minors engaged in ''sexually explicit conduct.''

More:http://www.tennessean.com/williamso...ent_ID=18353160

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Commandant LordZordec

From: Greeneville, TN Gender: Posts: 333

OH MY GOD!!!

The world is coming down to one big Sodom and Gomorrah!!!

"It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step." Jeremiah 10:23

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06-07-2002 02:53 PM

Escherian Starfield Marshal Jimspace3000

From: Terra, Sol, Orion Arm Gender: Posts: 1694

Yesterday on Chuck Norris Texas Ranger kung-fu cops were beating the snot out of girl kidnappers/pedophiles. I have to admit it was great!

Live long and prosper, Jim

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06-07-2002 06:33 PM

NYMPHsis: PollMeister General nysister

From: Brooklyn, New York

Posts: 983

Those poor children, It's a shame some of the things people go through in this system. Just because he didn't get to them doesn't mean someone else won't or already has. It's simply awful the way some try and take advantage of kids.

----nuqDaq 'oH puchpa''e' ---- Says the "funnel" known as NYMPHsis

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Commandant LordZordec

From: Greeneville, TN Gender: Posts: 333

Can you imagine the emotional issues those kids will have to put up with later in life?

"It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step." Jeremiah 10:23

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Here's some more data from those pinheads at jwzone.org

Witness Z0ne BBS > Humanity > Counselor Troi's Couch > Child molestation

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Ensign ioneblair

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Child molestation Note: I am not used to this board yet so if this is in the wrong forum, please move it and let me know. Thanks.

In view of the recent publicity given to child molestation, this can be a time to review with ourselves and our children things to help lessen the possibility of our children becoming victims to this. Unfortunately and realistically no parent can give their children complete and guaranteed protection but we can lessen the possibility.

I know we have all talked with our children about not letting others touch their private areas, and I started when my children were very young but old enough to understand and I did it in a non dramatic, ordinary way. I also let them know to come to me with anything that happens that is uncomfortable to them. Children can sense inappropriateness and I assured them I would always believe them. I tend to be very natural in speaking with my children any way (just the way I am) so I thought that would help them in coming to me with any uncomfortable feelings and issues. (in fact my son would come to me and plainly speak about issues involving his genitals as he was growing up, even before he would go to his father)

I used a book to help at times, it was a book on self appreciation and acknowledgement entitled, "Just because I am" (I forgot the title and had to ask a kid ), all of my kids can remember me reading it to them and discussing it with them countless times.

Or a Bible story can be an avenue into such a discussion. Perhaps Dinah.

And I did the "stand at the men's bathroom" thing in theaters when my son had to use the facilities, checking on him verbally. This was easier for my kids because they always saw their mom as "different" (read odd and embarrassing [to them] and our norm too) anyway.

We practiced words and phrases to use if someone took them against their will.

I was not trying to scare my children but I am cautious and practical, very practical, and realistic. It was just a normal part of our lives to discuss this at times.

They knew they always had a right to say no to an adult when it did not feel right. We had no alternative names for their body parts, just the proper names. Tattling was not a bad thing but the proper thing. We did the "what if" scenarios.

And to be truthful, I was prepared to handle the worst if it happened. Still am, with Jah's help. I might get queasy at the sight of blood but my kids knew that I would rise to the occasion of a severe problem or crisis and not fall apart.

I look forward to hearing advice, counsel, and experiences (only if you want to share) on this matter. In view of the nature of this discussion, please use discretion in your posts.

Hopefully, this will be strengthening and encouraging.

agape, gwen

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Co-Majestrix Little Q

From: The Q Continuum Gender: Posts: 2008

Sounds a lot like how my parents raised us. I know some people frown on that kind of thing, but I think it's foolish to deprive your children of information that is a protection to them.

I also don't like those cute little stories parents tell their kids to explain conception. My mom tried that with my brother and he ended up going to school the next day and informing some other kid that if you wanted to have a baby you had to begin with planting beans. *shakes head* No no...I'm sure I can find some better way to explain things than that!

~Little Q~

"Some WHAT?!?!"

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04-10-2002 09:09 PM

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From: San Diego and New Orleans Gender: Posts: 43

Hi Sisters:

I think you are taking the best and wisest course. The balance between frightening your children and forearming them is a very fine delicate line.

But I want to say that pedophiles are very clever and spend large substantial time in gaining trust. And unfortunately the vast majority of molesters are someone you know and trust. But your being prepared for the worst is preparation , I don't see that being prepared would make it an actuality. Also in the case of Dinah as sad as it was, isn't usually the way it will happen in modern society.

Keeping your children mindful that you can and will advocate for them is the best comfort they will ever know even if they think you are strange or weird. One of the best lines of attacks from pedophiles and from the larger society is that somehow the child, particularly if it is female somehow brought it on themselves. And yes I hear this even from the friends. And they always bring up Dinah.

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04-10-2002 10:53 PM

Security Chief Granmoogie

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I hear that too sometimes.

I'd like to remind people who take that attitude that rape, pedophilia, molestation, etc., are crimes. Being unwise, or being in the wrong place at the wrong time, is not.

Warning! I have an attitude and I know how to use it.

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04-16-2002 08:15 PM

Ensign The Muse In Me

From: San Diego and New Orleans Gender: Posts: 43

True dat! Moogie

I really wish people would really honestly see that harm is done with statements like that. Intentional or not.

Ironically yesterday I had to intercept my prepuberty granddaughter from running into the kitchen with nothing but a towel on to "tell "my daughter something when my daughter 42 year old boyfriend was in there with her. I took her in the room and explain to her that it was inappropriate and that the boyfriend is not family and even if he was blood related that modesty still has to prevail. That too many times it is the "boyfriend" or others who we thought we could trust that we hear later on molested, raped or killed a young girl. Since this child is approaching twelve that this has to cease.

Later I had to tell my daughter what had happened. They didn't see my granddaughter doing this as I intercepted so fast they didn't have time to turn around. And this "boyfriend" is shady at best.

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The pinheads at jwzone.org discussing homosexuality Here's an interest excerpt: Red Shirt Justme

From: Somewhere, East Coast, USA

Posts: 3

For some witness it varies. I know some who were caught or confess, and repented. By if they weren't careful, they repeated the same trend that got them into trouble the first time. When you are reproved, you feel withdrawn, because now an unbaptized publishers has more privileges than you do. But some say it's a way of focusing on communicating with Jehovah. As for me, once in a while, I experience a spiritual lapse, and I find myself hunting down "prey" instead of teaching them the Bible. Then I feel guilty because though I may pray for help, I know I still want to continue doing what is bad. It is a sad, emotional trauma that never ends. Those who practice masturbation are the number one risk of developing a gay lifestyle or attitude. When you find someone else who is looking for the things you are, and the condition are so that you think you won't get caught, chances are your love for pleasure outweighs the fear of Jehovah wiping you off the face of the earth. It's like smoking, drinking, or procrastinating, it's hard to stop.

Read it in context at: http://www.jwzone.org/forums/showthread.php?s=9c05bcd3034c25479b7f2caaaa806818&threadid=2774&pagenumber=1

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OK, now this particular pinhead takes the cake: Ambassador MrLinux

From: Detroit, MI USA

Posts: 1063

I, for one, am glad that the Faithful and Discreet Slave does not claim either infallibility or divine inspiration. Although having a fixed doctrine would lend a sense of security, that sense of security would be false if that fixed doctrine was anything less than ab initio* perfect and complete.

I'd rather adjust my thinking from time to time than forfeit my eternal life in order to cling to erroneous doctrine.

We in the United States, Canada, England and even France have faced relatively little oppression. While I certainly am not eager for more, I am reconciled that such oppression is necessary for Jehovah's prophecies to be fulfilled. So go ahead, Dateline, do your part in fulfilling the prophecies. Bring oppression and "mischief by decree" upon us ... and destruction upon yourself. Your unrepentant falsehoods and evasions will not go un-noticed by Jehovah ... nor will they go unrewarded. That is also part of the prophecies.

* "from the beginning"

http://organic-earth.com ftp://organic-earth.com smtp - bill@organic-earth.com

To see my garden, take the photo gallery link off my web site. See his comments in context: http://www.jwzone.org/forums/showthread.php?s=9c05bcd3034c25479b7f2caaaa806818&threadid=4766

And here's a bonus. I've been researching these a-holes Here's Mr Linux's real name and address and phone number: Bill Canaday 15275 S Dixie Hwy Monroe MI 48161 Phone 734-457-0858

Please call or write this pinhead and ask him personally how he feels about pedophiles.

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Some more interesting threads from the pinheads data base at jwzone.org

http://www.jwzone.org/forums/showthread.php?s=9c05bcd3034c25479b7f2caaaa806818&threadid=4438

http://www.jwzone.org/forums/showthread.php?s=9c05bcd3034c25479b7f2caaaa806818&threadid=4555&pagenumber=1

http://www.jwzone.org/forums/showthread.php?s=9c05bcd3034c25479b7f2caaaa806818&threadid=4754

http://www.jwzone.org/forums/showthread.php?s=9c05bcd3034c25479b7f2caaaa806818&threadid=4749

http://www.jwzone.org/forums/showthread.php?s=9c05bcd3034c25479b7f2caaaa806818&threadid=4584

http://www.jwzone.org/forums/showthread.php?s=9c05bcd3034c25479b7f2caaaa806818&threadid=4562

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Some more interesting threads from the pinheads data base at jwzone.org

http://www.jwzone.org/forums/showthread.php?s=9c05bcd3034c25479b7f2caaaa806818&threadid=4438

http://www.jwzone.org/forums/showthread.php?s=9c05bcd3034c25479b7f2caaaa806818&threadid=4555&pagenumber=1

http://www.jwzone.org/forums/showthread.php?s=9c05bcd3034c25479b7f2caaaa806818&threadid=4754

http://www.jwzone.org/forums/showthread.php?s=9c05bcd3034c25479b7f2caaaa806818&threadid=4749

http://www.jwzone.org/forums/showthread.php?s=9c05bcd3034c25479b7f2caaaa806818&threadid=4584

http://www.jwzone.org/forums/showthread.php?s=9c05bcd3034c25479b7f2caaaa806818&threadid=4562

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I ,too, have been disfellowshipped for telling the truth. It is nice to see someone doing something to try to help the abused ones. My heart goes out to those who thought they had the truth only to find that JEHOVAH'S words "there is no one doing good", applies even to the Governing Body. Floyd Thomas fhill@adelphia.net

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The precise point is that WTS "claims" it is a clean organization(by deception)and by disfellowshipping the wrong people and the dirty dogs get to stay in "good standing." This is deceptive and people think they are either safe or going crazy in the KH. Does it take perfection to do what is right? Does Jehovah test us with evil???? Where does it say that? Satan won this test with all the ones who support a pedophile that gets "caught and acts repentant" and disfellowships the person who is traumatized for being traumatized. Jehovah does not test with evil. This is wickedness. And it is wicked to tell people to "wait on Jehovah" when you could do something.

You are slandering God if you think that He will go along with all this BS...WTS has twisted the scriptures, twisted your thinking into sticking up for pedophiles that get caught and repent. WHERE ARE THE LETTERS OF REPENTANCE FROM THESE SICKOS. THEIR DOLLARS SHOULD BE POURING IN TO SILENTLAMBS TO PAY THE COST OF THIS SITE.>>> AND TO HELP THE PERSONS WHOSE LIVES HAVE BEEN DESTROYED BY THESE CRIMES COMMITTED AGAINST CHILDREN. A REPENTANT PERP SHOULD NOT EXPECT OR DEMAND FORGIVENESS,or a position of "good standing". This is the arrogance of an unrepentant "animal."

What God does a JW serve that would expect anything less? As long as the society disfellowships for speaking out against a pedophile and lets the pedophile "do the pedophile lie syndrome" they are misleading everyone, causing division and leading those who listen to destruction.

Moral obligation to your neighbor and obligation to God cannot be twisted to mean to save the "organization" and expect anyone to believe that it is backed by Jehovah's spirit. That is blasphemy and bringing reproach upon Jehovah's name. They have twisted Jehovah into a Liberal Thinker who is blinded from the truth of this situation. A God everyone is waiting for to do something and when he does do it Jaws say it is coming from Satan. Very interesting....What is it exactly that you thought Jehovah was going to do when he saw you were doing nothing???? Keep it secret and hidden at the cost of more ruined lives under the pretext of saving a creep and a coward "brother"??? That is the god you serve and worship. Y My God Jehovah got tired of waiting for the WTS and listening to them say "wait on Jehovah" while they "waited on the pedophile and served the children for lunch." Obviously you don't know Jehovah like I do, or Bill or the many many voices on this site.

To stay in good standing I would think a lover of God would not want "fellowship" with anyone who Waits on the pedophile hand and foot and says they are waiting on Jehovah. This is total disrespect, total subjection to what is wicked, and total misrepresentation of my God whose name is Jehovah.

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I have been disfellowshipped for 22 years and my heart goes out to those have been shunned by Witnesses and counseled by elders who know nothing of psychology or the human mind. These people are not trained professionals and the Bible can't cure everything.

I am one of the lucky ones. I found out that there is life outside of a Kingdom Hall. That you can have good, nurturing relationships and friendships with people who are not Witnesses. And that you can still live your life in God, follow the commandments and be a good, decent person without being a Witness. After all the hurt and torment that they put me through, after being shunned by my mother, sister, and brother, who were my essence - I went on to live a prosperous good life with a wonderful CATHOLIC husband and 3 beautiful children.

My message is don't despair. Keep walking in the lord and all good things will come. There is a life after being a Witness.

JC in NY

Remote User:
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07 Jun 2002
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23:47:27
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The one who calls on Jehovah will be saved.

Cannot call on the WTS to save you. There is nobody home that cares.

The lambs on this site have called on Jehovah to reveal and expose, to heal, to bring justice. Jehovah is a mighty God exacting justice for His People. Jesus loves the lowly ones not the Low Life.

The WTS has been called a "cult" enough times that they should have educated themselves away from any resemblance of cult like activity. JW's are as "cultish" as the moonies if you read "Cult & Mind Control" by a man who was a moonie. He makes no mention of Jaws. Read and compare. I did and it was unbelievably the same routine. You will hardly see a difference.

The WTS has been aware of the pedophile problem all along and they should have educated themselves about it. They were obviously aware that the few articles were of no benefit to the tune of 23,740 files. They knew. Their choice to do nothing is not God's will.

The WTS knowingly and willingly put the Malawi brothers in "critical times hard to deal with" while the governing body played the part of having no natural affection, having a form of godly devotion but proving false to it. The WTS knowingly slaughter their own lambs and gave the slain lambs top coverage in the yearbook. They create the tragic "news" and then report the tragic news. And they have the nerve, absolutely shamelessness to say Bill is wrong to bring this "issue" to the media. It is the height of wickedness that they do this. How many people know the truth behind the Malawi tragedy???? I'll never tell. Secrets. This should come under investigation. Scared to say this. No one should have this much power to control.

The WTS knowingly deceived Jaws about the U.N and began writing articles that showed all the good of the UN is doing and paid tribute to Jehovah's Kingdom in the last paragraph. I remember reading this articles and wondering 'what the heck is going on" and thought I must have a bad attitude that is being corrected.

Jehovah controls no one - not even the WTS. They are doing it of their own free will.

WTS had a choice to call on Jehovah just like the rest of us. Jehovah did not tell them to cover up, lie, have secrets, or to be excused as imperfect to do what they damn well please.

Spiritually dead men cannot give you everlasting life just because they say they are looking out for your spiritual welfare. Sounds tricky, smells of trickery, looks tricky, must be a trick. Who does tricks, turns tricks??? Animals and whores.

Who is being entertained by all this Jehovah or Satan. It is the responsibility of the WTS to do what is right. They won't and that is their choice not Jehovah's will.

It is very very difficult to separate WTS from Jehovah. They planned it that way. It is the epitome of control. There would be no discussion if they had acted with nobleness that reflected Jehovah's spirit and yet it is still difficult to separate the two. Know what I mean??? The mind has difficulty separating the two. Why is that? Why would anyone want to do this to our minds? Does God want us to feel like we are ripped into two? Even the constitution with it's amendments protects us against the tyranny of government-right to bear arms, free to speak against the government without fear of the government stopping us. To bring an injustice to the courts of law does not make a citizen of that country a traitor. The amendments to the constitution protect its citizens against an tyrannical government. Who protects Jehovah's witnesses against WTS - He Himself by revealing secrets that create bondage. Who is the traitor/apostate/unworthy of fellowship with God?? The wrongdoer or the one who has been wronged, silenced/oppressed? It is a no-brainer.

Can anyone tell me when the Dateline will be repeated? Missed it- didn't have cable now I do.

Remote User:
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08 Jun 2002
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Select this button for a $5000 dollar donation.

??????

Remote User:
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08 Jun 2002
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You are so long, and so late. The Witnesses have declared that their Governing Body is spirit guided. We assume this spirit is JEHOVAH'S. We take what you say VERY seriously in that JEHOVAH'S is PERFECT. Ummm... if his organization is Spirit-Guided, EVERYTHING they do is perfect, right? Why do people keep claiming that his organization is nothing but imperfect men? If they were spirit guided, why wouldn't they be PERFECT? Why would the light have to keep getting brighter and brighter? The light of the truth is PERFECT, right? The Truth is the Truth is the truth

Remote User: Date: 06 Jun 2002 Time: 14:41:46 Comments I do not know what is sicker rapists or you turning your back on Jehovah God, and to make things even worst you are asking for donations!!!! You should know better that being a true Witness does not mean being perfect.It sadness me that you are doing this publicly to damage this beautiful organization and God's name

I hope you reconsider before is to late!

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Date:
08 Jun 2002
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01:24:36
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I apparently am one of numerous people who have been used by the JW organization. I have come to this site to seek support from other victims and I have unfortunately found a lot of current JW's supporting the molesters. It really blows my mind to think any reasonable person could come here and read the thousands of testimonies and still support the offender. It just reinforces my feeling that JW's attract weak minded people to manipulate, control and support the organization. It is not only a pity that adults get sucked into this but innocent children are forced to belong. Hopefully they will grow to be strong, open-minded adults that see beyond the smoke screen as I have been fortunate enough to do. Although this site was intended for victims, JW's still find that they need to come here. If you don't believe it why come here to support the liars? I think we are to loud to be ignored and your curiosity has been peaked. Could Jehovah's ever loving organization be flawed?

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The projected show times for the Dateline program on MSNBC "weekend magazine" is as follows,

Stone Phillips presents highlights from the week's reports, investigative features and news maker profiles.

SATURDAY, JUNE 8 - 5:00 AM ET Long Island Doc

MONDAY, JUNE 10 - 3:00 AM ET Long Island Doc

The program is not mentioned but included with the "long island doc" show according to my source.

silentlambs

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08 Jun 2002
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To the person who posted the below comment: Come on, now. Please use your brains. Are you thinking Bill Bowen is sitting back raking in money to stuff in his pockets for his own personal use? Obviously you have not read this entire site. Any money donated is used to help victims and/or to further this cause (possibly help pay for expenses to have witnesses at the DF hearings, etc.). So, please, Mr./Ms. Ding Dong, you are not not thinking clearly. Maybe you are just very young. There is nothing wrong about asking for donations. (Does not the WTS and individual congs ask for donations?) Surf the web awhile. Look up all non-profit orgs on the web that were created for the purpose of helping people. They ALL have "donate" buttons on their sites. It's really no big deal, and no reason at all to put some shady/selfish meaning to it. ----- Date: 06 Jun 2002 Time: 10:55:25: I just feel that if you were really sincere in what you were doing you would not be asking for money, especially the Visa Mastercard button that does not disappear. I don't expect anyone to read this because obviously you wont post it

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08 Jun 2002
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I received this info via email today: Quote: The Watchtower's Media site and email notification have been notifying their readers that they are taking an active part in 'doing everything they can' in the child abuse issue. Obviously the Dateline NBC episode that aired a few days ago had a big effect, and they are anticipating much more. Here is part of their email notification:

"People didn't have the body of knowledge 18 or 20 years ago to say that this is something that will harm your child emotionally, if you don't address it. Parents didn't know the seriousness ... and the long-term effects." --Dr. Gail Bethea-Jackson, LCSW-C, B.C.D., specializing in victimization, children and adolescent issues, and post-traumatic stress disorder. End Quote.

My feeling in response to that, is this: Even if "general worldly knowledge" was lacking 18-20 years ago re: the long term effects of child sex abuse, did not BIBLE-EDUCATED persons ALREADY KNOW there "must" be something bad/unnatural/harmful about it since Jah had written in the Bible his commands against it at Leviticus 18:6, 9, 10, 11, 17, 22, 24-26?

And, even if adults (worldly OR JW) were not aware 18-20 years ago of the effects, this is still no excuse. It sounds like a lame argument to me. If that Doc is a spokesperson for the WTS, why doesn't she say, "WE ARE SORRY THIS HAPPENED, but due to ignorance on the part of many, people were unaware of the effects..." etc. etc. In other words, try APOLOGIZING first.

As a sex abuse survivor (not by Jaws), I am not impressed with that lady-doc's comment. It reminds me of the saying, "Ignorance of the law is No Excuse."

Remote User:
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08 Jun 2002
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Maybe everyone already "knows" this, but since I have not seen it specifically written, I am saying it here and now:

Here is the order of what you should do when you discover your child as been abused and/or molested:

NUMBER ONE PRIORITY: TAKE THE CHILD TO A DOCTOR IMMEDIATELY, either your family doc or go immediately to the emergency room so they can do a physical examination. (This should go without saying). It doesn't matter if the abuse occurred months prior. They still may be able to see scar tissue, old bruising, etc. Document the abuse with the DOCTORS FIRST.

Step #2: THEN go to the police. (While at the ER, the docs may call the police themselves, or you can request that they do, and it can all be handled in a safe environment like a hospital or doc's office).

Step #3: THEN go or call the Rape Crisis Center in your town or similar counseling agency so that a professional could help the child. If you do Step #1, the medical people will provide contacts for counseling. Rape Crisis Centers are not for grown-ups only, and not for "rape" only. (Side note: Even if you are fully grown and the abuse happened years ago, you can still get counseling at a Rape Crisis Center and/or they will help you get free counseling elsewhere. Been there, done that, so I know.)

Step #4: THEN go to the elders, AFTER all of the above have been done, documented, help for the child sought, etc.

Just my 2 cents because I keep reading everyone says go to the police FIRST, but I say go to the DOCTOR/HOSPITAL FIRST.

Hope this helps. I CARE!

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"" To the person who posted the below comment: Come on, now. Please use your brains. Are you thinking Bill Bowen is sitting back raking in money to stuff in his pockets for his own personal use?""

That's the whole point, J.W.'s cant use their brains like we do, cause they are washed!!!! Otherwise they would realize that all the real- estate that the WTS owns in New York is paid by their donations!!!! But of course when asked, the WTS will give them a nice fitting answer, same story as the library-bullshit-excuse regarding their membership with the U.N. for 10 years!!! It must be terrible to be brainwashed AND stupid as well!!

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08 Jun 2002
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The latest WT came in the mail 2 days ago (only 1 more before their subscription service ends)... and I felt so sad. It was about Hellfire on the front of it. I thought to myself, "How wonderful it would have been if the Society had created a SPECIAL ISSUE with a Huge APOLOGY ON THE FRONT COVER, and loving, apologetic articles inside on this subject." Whether they "knew" or "didn't know," is not the point. These sex crimes DID occur, and an international apology (via the WT) would have melted my heart, and I would have "wolfed down" the magazine cover to cover.

Sign Me Sad

Remote User:
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08 Jun 2002
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I have read where JW's say that this issue of child rape is to test their faith. How barbaric is that?

I know that people have begun to be disfellowshipped for "causing division." Hold your head up high if the elderoids victimize you. They are only doing what they are programmed to do. They can not take away your spirit or your commune with God. Pray outside of the KH and see what happens. You are not alone. Many people here and all over the world support you. God will never leave you. There is life outside of the windowless prison.

As for donating and the sticker shock; Pay Pals is an electronic banking company that you can use your credit card or bank online. You can also donate a lot less than the max. Believe it or not the outside world does all the charity work to help the people who need help. I'm quite sure that the WT whom is so loving and caring with all the money that it has. I know they had an estimated 322 million to a half a billion dollars in assets in the late 1970's. I wonder what they have horded two decades later. They have people working for slave wages and pay no taxes quite a thing they got going on there huh?

And as for the question of light. If you have a lamp and it is on. You then turn on a second lamp there is brighter light. You may even turn on a third lamp. But if you turn off the first light then it is not brighter. You have just traded light. The light of Christ is everlasting. What was true 2000 years ago is just as true today. The light of God was as true for Moses as it is today. It is not new, old, or brighter. The founder of the movement currently called the Watchtower and Bible Tract Society warned against religion that constantly changes its dogma. That is why no one is to look at past Watchtower material. It was all a lie. If it all was a lie before despite being so called inspired could the Society be lying now? Is it a lie if you believe it? Surely someone somewhere in the organization knows the way right? For the same reason the Governing body fears anyone who reads the Bible without so called bible aids. If you get out from under their constant pressure and mind control you experience a freedom to express yourself the way God intended. You can have loyalty to God instead of loyalty to religion.

Remote User:
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08 Jun 2002
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College Student wrote: "Someone told me that they are not mailing Watchtowers no more, maybe the reason is that if the outsiders don't know what is going on inside, all the outsiders can do is rely on old information which is out of date."

My comment: You know how they say we should always pay attention to our first gut reaction/instinct? Well, what College Student wrote above was exactly the very first thought that came to my mind when a few months ago the mags began arriving with red print across the wrapper saying there would be no more subscription service via mail once my current subscription ended.

My first thought was they/WTS wants to keep the "outsiders" from getting any more info so they cannot post the info on the web. I thought, "Maybe WTS feels the 'apostates' won't bother going into a KH to get a copy of the mag."

Then my second ('Oh My Goodness!") thought was, "Jah is closing in and tightening the reins... If you are not 'inside the ark' then bad news for me, because Armageddon must be VERY CLOSE for the subscription service to be coming to an end..."

Two extremes in my thinking, I know...

So I asked about the subs ending to some XJWs who still have family going to mtgs. and they said the Jaws were told at mtgs. that it had something to do with saving money and/or the WTS could not afford to send mags via mail anymore. Somehow I didn't quite buy that as a true reason.

What IS the "official reason" straight from HQ, if anybody knows?

Thanks.

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Date: 06 Jun 2002 Time: 11:58:39 wrote: "I do not know of any JW who is a police officer."

I was a VERY faithful JW throughout the 1980's, and there was a brother in the cong that shared our hall, and he was a police officer. The word was he knew how the WTS felt about Jaws carrying guns, but he was okay with being a policeman. Also, I "think" (if I remember correctly), the word was the elders had basically given up trying to convince him otherwise. I do remember thinking, though, to myself, "He can't be a very 'strong' brother and be a police officer." (typical JW thinking on my part at the time).

Fortunately, I was provided a more "balanced viewpoint" by an older sister who had been raised in the truth. She used to say, "Jah needs people in ALL occupations so they can witness to the other policemen.." etc. etc.

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08 Jun 2002
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04:20:16
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Someone wrote how they feel "safe" coming to this site. I feel the same way and find myself coming here every few days.

I appreciate all of the comments, too. Aside from the boneheads, as someone else wrote, most of the comments are soooooo human, loving, concerned, encouraging, etc. It feels good to read, and I hope all victim/survivors will keep telling their stories.

Thanks for giving birth to this site. I'm sure it will just keep growing and growing.

Remote User:
Date:
08 Jun 2002
Time:
04:25:09
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To the idiot who posted the jwgay link, hoping to mislead visitors to this site that Bill Bowen is now "gay" also...

Your post was a dead-giveaway as being completely phoney when you signed it: "Bill Bowen silentlambs.com"

The correct URL for this site is: silentlambs.ORG, you dummy!

Remote User:
Date:
08 Jun 2002
Time:
04:29:53
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To all victims/survivors of battering/abuse:

Keep on talking, keep on speaking up! We love you, we feel for you, we are on your side!

Let your Pain be your Pulpit. Let your Mess be your Mission. Let your "Test" be your Testimony.

Much love and compassion for all of you. NightOwl

Remote User:
Date:
08 Jun 2002
Time:
04:30:51
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Linda Thoman, you write excellent posts.

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Remote User:
Date:
08 Jun 2002
Time:
04:54:08
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Two posters wrote: #1: So people, stop complaining and don't let your children be around anyone but the parents." #2: *****Unfortunately, in the majority of cases it is the parents, or close relatives, which are the abusers. Not a good answer.---

I have to agree with #2. It was our "bachelor" (Catholic) uncle, who everybody loved (he always came with presents and gifts in abundance). We used to ask our Mom as little kids, "If dad dies, will you marry JT?" Yet during those years, all 8 kids were sent off to the uncle's home regularly, two at a time, for little vacations and sleep-overs. Child #1 and 2 always went to uncle's house together; then Child #3 and 4 always went together; then Child #5 and 6 always went together; and then Child #7 and 8 always went together. So at any one time, only 2 at a time thought "they were the only ones." JT played "mind games" by stating things like, "You cannot come into the room and play cards with us unless you are willing to take off your clothes first." (This from my sister's account, stating, as a 4,5 & 6 year old, the last thing she wanted was to be "left out" of the "fun card game." So she would bang on the bedroom door begging to be let in where my uncle and brother already were, and would willingly take off her clothes so as not to be "left out.")

This is perversion at its CRUELEST, not only screwing with little minds but also little bodies.

BTW, this pervert is an old old man now, late 70's. He lives in Athens, GA, and his name is Joseph Thomas Meyer a/k/a "Jay" or "J.T." I reported him to the Sex Crimes Unit at the Athens Police back in '92, as he most likely is still up to his old tricks with other young ones. Beware if you live in that area.

And re: the two original posts: The BEST thing to do is EDUCATE your kids, and as one mother already wrote, make SURE the kids KNOW and FEEL you WILL stick up for them if they tell. This cannot be emphasized strongly enough. NEVER "HUSH" or DOUBT A CHILD!

Still-Fuming-When-I-Think-About-It!

Remote User:
Date:
08 Jun 2002
Time:
05:18:38
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Someone wrote: "There is life outside of the windowless prison."

:) Chuckle. That "windowless prison" comment made me laugh. It's been over a decade since I was an active JW, and I can't remember the explanations of why KH's did not have windows...? To keep out the traffic noises? To help prevent vandalism? Does anyone remember what the explanation was?

BTW, there is (or was) a beautiful KH WITH WINDOWS in the San Jose area of Jax., FL, which I visited many years ago. I remember thinking how utterly nice and pleasant it was to sit inside that Hall and see sunshine, grass and trees outside. And the windows had lovely white sheer curtains. A very nice memory now that I think of it. Thanks for reminding me of it with your "windowless prison" comment. ;)

PS: Sunlight is so much more healthy than fluorescent lighting!

Remote User:
Date:
08 Jun 2002
Time:
06:18:26
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More thoughts on "windowless" K.H.'s:

Sunshine/windows takes the hard edge off of fluorescent lights which are unhealthy.

Windows make a room feel more "homey."

Anything beats the dark & gloomy atmosphere due to "stained glass windows" like I grew up seeing in the catholic church.

Windows/scenery outside is distracting to concentration?

Barely remembering other reasons, real or imagined by myself, for their not being windows: That when Armageddon strikes and we were all going to enter into our "interior rooms" (KH's), it would be "safer" if there were no windows; and/or no windows would prevent us from seeing the slaughter going on outside by the Angel of Death.

Hmmm... Have I been up too long? ;) NightOwl

Remote User:
Date:
08 Jun 2002
Time:
07:32:35
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u sorry apostate! look how money hungry u are with your wanting donations! who would give u a couple thousand for ur greedy cause? I know ur not naive so u know what judgement is coming for u! if u wer