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February 2002 Guestbook

Remote User:

Date: 01 Feb. 2002

Time: 23:14:06

Comments:

I think you have a great site. I came close to being baptized into the Jehovah Witnesses, but came to my senses just in time. Keep up the good work.

Rosalie Kauffman rosebo@ns. sympatico. ca

Remote User:

Date: 02 Feb. 2002

Time: 12:48:07

Comments:

I'm interested in joining the JW. But also, I can assure you, i would kill anyone with my bare hands who abuses my child.

Remote User:

Date: 03 Feb. 2002

Time: 00:45:34

Comments:

tweet74836@hotmail. com These comments have touched the core of my heart. I too have been sexually abused though not in the org. at the time the abuse happened. And it is true people will hardly believe a child's story and claim that they are lying. My grandchildren were abused and I believed them. It was convincing others of it that proved a problem. What is it about people who will not listen to a child's plea in a desperate situation such as this. I thank God there is a site like this to help people release the stress and anxiety by talking it out. I could share my story but this site is reserved for those in the org. God bless all you out there who found a way out and are making lives for yourself and your children. You are the courageous in your actions to deal with such a delicate subject.

Remote User:

Date: 04 Feb. 2002

Time: 00:23:43

Comments:

MY MOTHER IS A JEHOVAH WITNESS. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THEM. IT SEEMS AS IF YOU TARGET THEM FOR PUBLICITY. THE STORIES DO NOT SEEM TRUE. YES GOD ALOWS US TO SUFFER AND PEOPLE ARE IMPERFECT BUT DO NOT JUDGE THE WHOLE ORGINIZATION AS A WHOLE. THE ELDERS WOULD NOT TRY TO COVER UP THINGS LIKE THIS. THEY WOULD TAKE COUNCIL FROM THE BIBLE AND BASICLLY SAY IT IS BETWEEN GOD AND THE VICTIM WETHER TO PURSUE CHARGES. WHAT ABOUT ALL OF THE CATHOLIC PRIESTS MOLESTING BOYS????? YOU ARE NOT TARGETING THEM. YOU ARE SATANS TOOLS TO TURN PEOPLE AWAY FROM THIS ORGINIZATION. IM ONLY 17 YRS OLD. IM NOT BAPTIZED. I HAVE A 4 MONTH OLD DAUGHTER. FORNICATION IS WRONG AND UNCLEAN IN GODS EYES, BUT IF I AM NO LONGER HAVING SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE. IVE REPENTED AND BEGGED GOD FOR MERCY AND HE IS ALWAYS READY TO FORGIVE. THERE IS A SCRIPTURE IF I RECALL CORRECTLY. . . IS SAYS MURDERERS REVILERS LIARS MEN WHO LIE WITH MEN DRUNKARDS BLASPHEMERS SO AND SO WILL NOT INHERIT GODS KINDOM, BUT THAT IS WHAT SOME OF YOU WERE. MEANING GOD CAN FORGIVE AND IF PEOPLE WANT TO PURSUE CHARGES LET THEM . I KNOW THAT THE ELDERS WILL NOT FORCE MATTERS TO BE CONFIDENTIAL. IT IS ONLY TO PROTECT THE INNOCENT LIKE THE WHOLE ORG. YES IT IS WRONG TO SEXUALLY ABUSE CHILDREN AND SO ON. BUT THEY ARE NOT A SECT. WHO ARE YOU ALL TO JUDGE?????? ID LIKE TO KNOW. YOU ARE MERE SINNERS JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.

MY NAME IS MELISSA. MY EMAIL IS DIMPLES_L@HOTMAIL. COM


IM DISCUSTED WITH YOUR JUDGEMENTS. SUPPORT GROUPS ARE OK BUT NOT TO TARGET CERTAIN PEOPLE. THAT IS PARTIALISM. HOW DO YOU EXPECT TO HELP SOME ONE WHEN YOUR HURTING PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO KNOW THE TRUTH??? IM NOT SAYING ITS IMPOSSIBLE FOR TRAGEDIES LIKE THIS BUT GOD WILL PUT AN END TO IT AND ITIS IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO LIE

Remote User:

Date: 04 Feb. 2002

Time: 04:56:31

Comments:

The following is an email I tried to send to Melisa above, it appears she used a fake address. I will leave this up a few days as a response, if she gives correct information I will leave it up.

I noted your post on the silentlambs guestbook and wish to make a few comments about what you have stated,

You wrote,

MY MOTHER IS A JEHOVAH WITNESS.

I am glad your mother is a JW and we mean in no way to make her feel bad about being one. It also appears you are a JW also, as you will note we have many posters who are JW's and I talk to them on a weekly basis. I to am a JW in good standing and I of course fault in no way any teachings of the organization on the sl website. The problem is a policy that hurts children. I served as an elder for many years and was also unaware until I had to deal with a local case involving a child that was being molested.

You wrote,

THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THEM. IT SEEMS AS IF YOU TARGET THEM FOR PUBLICITY. THE STORIES DO NOT SEEM TRUE.

Do you recall the scripture in Proverbs that says, "he that is replying to a matter before he hears it is foolishness on the part of he who speaks," or words to that effect. How did you at the age of 17 become an expert on JW policy when it comes to child molestation? I have been in the organization for 43 years and you may want to listen before you start calling victims of molestation liars. You may not wish to face this but the stories are true. I have verified many with local police reports and the few who were actually reported did go to jail. Were those people just making it up also? In answer to the second part of your statement, yes I am targeting JW's for this issue because they have a far worse problem than most religions in this area. How do I come to that conclusion? Read the website instead of just posting in the guestbook. If you educate yourself about this issue I believe you will come to far different conclusions, rather than judgmental observations.

You wrote,

YES GOD ALOWS US TO SUFFER AND PEOPLE ARE IMPERFECT BUT DO NOT JUDGE THE WHOLE ORGINIZATION AS A WHOLE. THE ELDERS WOULD NOT TRY TO COVER UP THINGS LIKE THIS. THEY WOULD TAKE COUNCIL FROM THE BIBLE AND BASICLLY SAY IT IS BETWEEN GOD AND THE VICTIM WETHER TO PURSUE CHARGES.

Your statement shows the extent of your ignorance on this matter. Jehovah has never approved of his people committing rape of a child. It is a crime that breaks the laws of every country around the world. Just as murder is a crime, you cannot simply blame it on imperfection. The elders DO cover up things like this to not bring reproach on the organization. In the meantime the pedophile gets to have access to more children. In many cases JW pedophiles are able to molest multiple children without being found out as the elders keep the information confidential. You will not know if a child molester is in your own Kingdom Hall as it is WT policy to keep this confidential. The counsel elder's use according to wt policy is to require two witnesses to the act of child molestation. How often does a child molester obtain an observer to watch his deviancy? 99% of child molesters will lie when confronted, can you see how they can get away with it? Read the WT articles on my website where it plainly states if you have only one witness you leave it in Jehovah's hands. Would you be willing to do this if it was your child?

You wrote,

WHAT ABOUT ALL OF THE CATHOLIC PRIESTS MOLESTING BOYS????? YOU ARE NOT TARGETING THEM. YOU ARE SATANS TOOLS TO TURN PEOPLE AWAY FROM THIS ORGINIZATION.

I am not a Catholic, I am a JW second generation. I do not know Catholic doctrine and how Catholic policy works regarding child molestation. I was and elder close to 20 years and could be considered and expert on JW's. I know what the elder book says and all the Body of Elders say on the topic of child molestation. Do you? Read my website and find out much of this information. I have personally spoken to close to 1000 JW victims of molestation. Have you? I do not believe that many people would seek me out just to lie and make the society look bad. Read the court documents on my website. Are the police and judges all lying just to make JW's look bad? Regarding the Catholic church they only hide pedophile priests, JW's on the other hand hide any publisher who molests a child by wt policy. It is a far worse scenario within the JW organization. Can you face the truth?

You wrote,

IM ONLY 17 YRS OLD. IM NOT BAPTIZED. I HAVE A 4 MONTH OLD DAUGHTER. FORNICATION IS WRONG AND UNCLEAN IN GODS EYES, BUT IF I AM NO LONGER HAVING SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE. IVE REPENTED AND BEGGED GOD FOR MERCY AND HE IS ALWAYS READY TO FORGIVE. THERE IS A SCRIPTURE IF I RECALL CORRECTLY. . . IS SAYS MURDERERS REVILERS LIARS MEN WHO LIE WITH MEN DRUNKARDS BLASPHEMERS SO AND SO WILL NOT INHERIT GODS KINDOM, BUT THAT IS WHAT SOME OF YOU WERE. MEANING GOD CAN FORGIVE AND IF PEOPLE WANT TO PURSUE CHARGES LET THEM . I KNOW THAT THE ELDERS WILL NOT FORCE MATTERS TO BE CONFIDENTIAL. IT IS ONLY TO PROTECT THE INNOCENT LIKE THE WHOLE ORG. YES IT IS WRONG TO SEXUALLY ABUSE CHILDREN AND SO ON. BUT THEY ARE NOT A SECT. WHO ARE YOU ALL TO JUDGE?????? ID LIKE TO KNOW. YOU ARE MERE SINNERS JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.

You are unbaptized and admit to committing fornication and speak of the benefit of forgiveness and God's mercy, yet you call child molestation victims liars and revile those who are trying to help other victims learn how to help themselves? Do you recall the scripture about removing the rafter in your own eye before removing the straw from someone else's? How do you develop such ability to judge the lives of others when you have yet to make your dedication to Jehovah? You say you know the elders will not force matter to be confidential yet how do you know that? Have you read the 1989 letter to all bodies of elders on confidentiality? Yet you make a judgment call on something you have not even researched. Who is the judgmental one here? I agree God can even forgive child molesters, but He will never forgive those who lie about it or those who allow them to not be reported to the police. When the pedophile molests another child those who kept quiet are blood guilty for not doing what was necessary to protect children.

MY NAME IS MELISSA. MY EMAIL IS DIMPLES_L@HOTMAIL. COM

You wrote,

IM DISCUSTED WITH YOUR JUDGEMENTS. SUPPORT GROUPS ARE OK BUT NOT TO TARGET CERTAIN PEOPLE. THAT IS PARTIALISM. HOW DO YOU EXPECT TO HELP SOME ONE WHEN YOUR HURTING PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO KNOW THE TRUTH??? IM NOT SAYING ITS IMPOSSIBLE FOR TRAGEDIES LIKE THIS BUT GOD WILL PUT AN END TO IT AND ITIS IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO LIE

I am disgusted with your immature judgments without reviewing the evidence. Support groups do just that, do you know how many support groups there are for Catholics, Mormons and other religious groups? Hundreds. Again educate yourself before you make insipid comments that make you appear to be the judgmental one. If the truth hurts you, then maybe you are believing a lie. How do you know this is not God's way to put an end to this? Does not God motivate faithful men to stand up for what is right? I have helped hundreds of people who are hurting from the affects child molestation has had on their lives, yet you say I hurt you for telling the truth. If I am telling a lie then why am I not disfellowshipped? Why doesn't the society sue me for slander? Why am I still a brother? When you find the answers to these questions you will be in a far better position to decide whether my website hurts you are helps you to find the truth about how wt policy hurts children. Not only will you be better informed but you might be better able to protect your child from being molested. Please think about that and try to educate yourself on this, someday it might be very important. I am including below the three basic requirements that must be adjusted with regard to wt policy. Read them and see if you agree. Also keep in mid any time you post in ALL CAPS it means you are screaming. I do not believe that was your intention. Think about what I have written, educate yourself on this matter, then make an better decision on which side you want to come down on this issue.

1. Report matter to the police first.

What does the Watchtower say? Note the 97 WT on direction for reporting what is bad:

w97 8/15 26-30 Why Report What Is Bad? Appreciating the Value of Reproof Among Jehovah's people, however, there is a different attitude toward reproof. Godly men and women deeply appreciate the arrangement Jehovah has made to help erring ones inside the Christian congregation. They recognize such discipline as an expression of his loving-kindness. -Hebrews 12:6-11.

What is that arrangement? Is it going to the police when a crime is committed?

In our day too, Jehovah's servants can become involved in serious wrongdoing, even those who have been faithful for many years. Recognizing that the elders can assist, most take the initiative to approach them for help. (James 5:13-16) But sometimes a wrongdoer may try to cover up his sin, as did King David. What should we do if we come to know about serious wrongdoing in the congregation?

Whose Responsibility Is It?

When elders learn about serious wrongdoing, they approach the individual involved to give needed help and correction. It is the elders' responsibility to judge such ones inside the Christian congregation. Keeping a close watch on its spiritual condition, they assist and admonish anyone who is taking an unwise or wrong step. -1 Corinthians 5:12, 13; 2 Timothy 4:2; 1 Peter 5:1, 2.

So does this just apply to slander of moral crimes committed by adults that break bible law? Notice the scripture used to define wrongdoing.

But what if you are not an elder and you come to know about some serious wrongdoing on the part of another Christian? Guidelines are found in the Law that Jehovah gave to the nation of Israel. The Law stated that if a person was a witness to apostate acts, sedition, murder, or certain other serious crimes, it was his responsibility to report it and to testify to what he knew. Leviticus 5:1 states: "Now in case a soul sins in that he has heard public cursing and he is a witness or he has seen it or has come to know of it, if he does not report it, then he must answer for his error. "-Compare Deuteronomy 13:6-8; Esther 6:2; Proverbs 29:24.

Though not under the Mosaic Law, Christians today can be guided by the principles behind it. (Psalm 19:7, 8) So if you learn about the serious wrongdoing of a fellow Christian, what should you do?

Where are we given the right here to call the police? Not one word offered. So who do you go to? See below.

Handling the Matter First of all, it is important that there is valid reason to believe that serious wrongdoing has really occurred. "Do not become a witness against your fellowman without grounds," stated the wise man. "Then you would have to be foolish with your lips. "-Proverbs 24:28.

You may decide to go directly to the elders. It is not wrong to do so. Usually, however, the most loving course is to approach the person involved. Perhaps the facts are not as they appear to be. Or perhaps the situation is already being handled by the elders. Calmly discuss the matter with the person. If there remains reason to believe that a serious wrong has been committed, encourage him or her to approach the elders for help, and explain the wisdom of doing so. Do not talk to others about the matter, for that would be gossip. If the person does not report to the elders within a reasonable period of time, then you should. One or two elders will then discuss the matter with the accused. The elders need to "search and investigate and inquire thoroughly" to see if wrong has been done. If it has, they will handle the case according to Scriptural guidelines. -Deuteronomy 13:12-14.

Who investigates the crime first? THE ELDERS! Yet still no mention of going to the police. Then if there are only one witness what do you have to do? Report it to police then? See Below.

At least two witnesses are required to establish a charge of wrongdoing. (John 8:17; Hebrews 10:28) If the person denies the charge and your testimony is the only one, the matter will be left in Jehovah's hands. (1 Timothy 5:19, 24, 25) This is done in the knowledge that all things are "openly exposed" to Jehovah and that if the person is guilty, eventually his sins will "catch up" with him. -Hebrews 4:13; Numbers 32:23.

There you have it the basis of discouraging victims to go to the police. They are clearly instructed to leave it in Jehovah's hands. That means do nothing. Can you warn any other parents whose children may be in harms way? See Below.

But suppose the person does deny the charge and you are the only witness against him. Could you now be open to a countercharge of slander? No, not unless you have gossiped to those not involved in the matter. It is not slanderous to report conditions affecting a congregation to those having authority and responsibility to oversee and correct matters. It is, in fact, in line with our desire always to do what is correct and loyal. -Compare Luke 1:74, 75.

So if you gossip and tell others about your child being molested you could be charged with slander and expelled from the congregation. What is the reason why? See Below.

Maintaining Holiness in the Congregation One reason for reporting wrongdoing is that it works to preserve the cleanness of the congregation. Jehovah is a clean God, a holy God. He requires all those who worship him to be spiritually and morally clean. His inspired Word admonishes: "As obedient children, quit being fashioned according to the desires you formerly had in your ignorance, but, in accord with the Holy One who called you, do you also become holy yourselves in all your conduct, because it is written: 'You must be holy, because I am holy. '" (1 Peter 1:14-16) Individuals who practice uncleanness or wrongdoing can bring defilement and Jehovah's disfavor upon an entire congregation unless action is taken to correct or remove them. -Compare Joshua, chapter 7.

The congregation does their own dirty laundry and keeps outsiders uninformed. This is the basis of how the congregation operates. Jehovah's Witnesses are NOT free to go to the police. They are required to OBEY the direction of the elders. If they do not they are disfellowshipped. Thus Watchtower Policy requires a child molestation victim to go to the ELDERS FIRST and this is the error of WT policy.

2. A pedophile should never hold a position of responsibility within the congregation.

The 1-1-97 Watchtower seemed to indicate this would be the policy for Jehovah's Witnesses, yet in just three short months a letter was sent (along with more to follow) to Bodies of Elders that changed that policy. The 97 letter stated:

"It may be possible that some who were guilty of child molestation were or are now serving as elders, ministerial servants, or regular or special pioneers. Others may have been guilty of child molestation before they were baptized. The bodies of elders should not query individuals. "

This statement made provision for pedophile to continue to serve. That was further collaborated by the 6-1-01 letter to Bodies of Elders in England which states:

"There is one exception to the above direction: The elders may have written to the branch office and given full details about a former child abuser who is currently serving as an elder or ministerial servant. In such a case, if the branch office has decided that he can be appointed or continue serving in a position of trust because the sin occurred many years ago and because he has lived an exemplary life since then, his name should not appear on the List, nor is it necessary to pass on information about the brother's past sin if he moves to another congregation unless contrary instructions have been given by the branch. "

Child Molesters are clearly given positions of responsibility within the congregation at the direction of WT Policy. Time passing should be no factor for a pedophile.

3. Child molesters should never be allowed to participate in the door to door ministry.

Is this WT policy? Please note the 1-1-97 Watchtower which initially established molester policy. What would a child molester who is newly released from prison be required to do to show his repentance? See Below.

w97 1/1 29 Let Us Abhor What Is Wicked "Depending on the law of the land where he lives, the molester may well have to serve a prison term or face other sanctions from the State. 'If he seems to be repentant, he will be encouraged to make spiritual progress, share in the field service. . "

A newly released child molester is required by WT Policy to call at the homes of the unknowing public. THAT IS WT POLICY!

This information shows without doubt something is terribly wrong in this matter. This "Policy" presents a danger to children within the organization as well as those who are met in the door to door work. If the Governing Body really wishes to be a "faithful slave" they should move at ONCE to correct this mistake and protect the children.

silentlambs

Remote User:

Date: 05 Feb. 2002

Time: 04:48:19

Comments:

My being a rejected mom and grandma, because I do not follow this 'fellowship',I am extremely happy to see and support this site. I am not sure exactly what my involvement will be, however, I will continue to pass the info along, and visit often.

Thank you, JEB

Remote User:

Date: 06 Feb. 2002

Time: 04:20:59

Comments:

Interesting web site. I think ALL religious organizations, as well as other non-religious organizations have to deal with the problem of child molestation. But why have you singled out just the Jehovah's Witnesses? Many other faith-based groups are struggling with issues just as serious. A search of the internet for links to your site reveals that MOST OF THEM are from sites opposed to Jehovah's Witnesses beliefs in general. Surely that tells us something. You are more concerned with JW-bashing than protecting children! Don't get me wrong, I hate child molesters as much as anyone else, including you, but if you wanted to you could work alongside the JW's to fight the problem, instead of attacking their church.

Remote User:

Date: 08 Feb. 2002

Time: 12:32:26

Comments:

I too was a victim. . . but after all these years am still afraid to speak out . Debbie freeinspirit@hotmail. com

Remote User:

Date: 08 Feb. 2002

Time: 17:09:24

Comments:

I have read almost all of the "victims" entries. They are all (painfully) the same. All of them have the same general idea of an elder or member of the JWs molesting a child in the congregation. I am disgusted. On a happier note. I love this web-site. we (as victims of molesters) now have a voice. Thank you!

Remote User:

Date: 08 Feb. 2002

Time: 19:34:16

Comments:

Thank you

Remote User:

Date: 08 Feb. 2002

Time: 22:07:27

Comments:

I recently left the JW. I finally have peace of mine I always ask God why never felt any spirit of freedom,always felt very stress,my time in there ,y so hypocrisy a total fornicator and rapist told me about the truth at the gym ,that I was attending at that time in the year 1994,I was very spiritual at the time ,well this young man,got me into the THRUTH. Little by little I lost my place with GOD y CRY for help to GOD and believe or not thru dreams ,He show me who this man was ,let me tell you ,if you seek GOD with all your heart ,you will see and you will find Him. to make it short ,my conscience was killing me ,I pray and call the elders of my congregation ,they come ,toll them everything ,this man also rape ,before me another two girls, and a girl from the world not a WJ. well they cover everything ,didn't believe me ,I have to make a police report to keep him out of my life,let me tell you he keep calling me after he got married with obscene call . I call the elders to let them know . my husband ,forgot to tell you I got married and my husband also spoke to this particular elder from spanish congregation his name O. Serrano and toll him everything. What do you thing happens. . . . ?>simply nothing. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . I thank the Almighty now I'm free,totally freeee y see the light ,I see the JESUS that I always knew and one more time I felt the presence of the Holy Spirit . . THANK YOU LORD GOD,THANK YOU LORD JESUS PLESE KEEP ME FROM EVEL AND SHOW ME THE WAY THAT I SHOULD GO THANK YOU RAYMOND FRANZ. . . MAY MY GOD KEEP YOU

SEEK AND YOU WILL FIND,NOCK AND IT WILL BE OPEN

Remote User:

Date: 08 Feb. 2002

Time: 22:12:19

Comments:

I recently left the JW. I finally have peace of mine I always ask God why never felt any spirit of freedom,always felt very stress,my time in there ,y so hypocrisy a total fornicator and rapist toll me about the truth at the gym ,that I was attending at that time in the year 1994,I was very spiritual at the time ,well this young man,got me into the THRUTH. Little by little I lost my place with GOD y CRY for help to GOD and believe or not thru dreams ,He show me who this man was ,let me tell you ,if you seek GOD with all your heart ,you will see and you will find Him. to make it short ,my conscience was killing me ,I pray and call the elders of my congregation ,they come ,toll them everything ,this man also rape ,before me another two girls, and a girl from the world not a WJ. well they cover everything ,didn't believe me ,I have to make a police report to keep him out of my life,let me tell you he keep calling me after he got married with obscene call . I call the elders to let them know . my husband ,forgot to tell you I got married and my husband also spoke to this particular elder from spanish congregation his name O. Serrano and toll him everything. What do you thing happens. . . . ?>simply nothing. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . I thank the Almighty now I'm free,totally freeee y see the light ,I see the JESUS that I always knew and one more time I felt the presence of the Holy Spirit . . THANK YOU LORD GOD,THANK YOU LORD JESUS PLESE KEEP ME FROM EVEL AND SHOW ME THE WAY THAT I SHOULD GO THANK YOU RAYMOND FRANZ. . . MAY MY GOD KEEP YOU

SEEK AND YOU WILL FIND,NOCK AND IT WILL BE OPEN

SAN FERNANDO VALLEY

GAKRAM@ADELPHIA. NET

Remote User:

Date: 09 Feb. 2002

Time: 13:22:32

Comments:

I had no idea the problem was worldwide. They have ruined my son's life. Keep up the good work. Don't stop until they are exposed. Margaret Benson, Bolton, England. mbenson50@tinyworld. co. uk

Remote User:

Date: 09 Feb. 2002

Time: 20:54:23

Comments:

If you examine carefully what David said: "Do I not hate those who are intensely hating you, O Jehovah, and do I not feel a loathing for those revolting against you? With a complete hatred I do hate them. They have become to me real enemies. " (Psalm 139:21, 22 Distorted JW translation) It is clearly evident that he is personally appealing to God for consideration on, what he thought, the good deeds. Remember, before he was making this prayer, he committed a terrible crime against humanity of killing a man in order to steal his wife. So, God punished him. Psalm 139:21, 22 is just David's personal plea to appease God. Psalm 139:21, 22 should not be considered as holy, guiding faith, basis for shunning practices or hatred against non-JW or what they called infidels. JW is abusing Psalm 139:21, 22 in order to justify their crimes against humanity.

Remote User:

Date: 11 Feb. 2002

Time: 06:52:10

Comments:

brainwashed people will never recognize the truth behind the truth. loyal to the ideology that something which must not be cant be they defend the acting of the WTS as being heroes. in spite of this more and more recognize by internet the history shaping and fact hiding WTS, a society which is far away from god like Pluto from the son. cold, icy and always claiming for their ideology. I guess that they will have a righteous trial whenever god will come to judge the earth

Remote User:

Date: 11 Feb. 2002

Time: 06:56:20

Comments:

ya know~ I was raised a witness, and "mellissa" seems to be misdirected! At 17, you say "your mom is a witness". . . ? and you are not baptized. . ?. . even if your not baptized. . . . you would still refer to yourself as "one" unless- you either weren't at all involved with JW's (in which case you wouldn't be here in the first place) or you are someone "pretending" to be a 17year old child of a witness in an attempt to make a stamen of some kind. Although. . your inability to spell words correctly does indicate that you are a female JW. It seems that the amount of anger you have is a bit much for the age you say, which makes me wonder if you are the wife or daughter of one of those "hands on" kinda brothers. ?hmm? I want to ask you this also. . . Why the curiosity with this JW web site for individuals whom have suffered in silence as victims of a federal crime? Is it ok (in your 17 yr old opinion) with Jah to commit federal crimes? Against children? How do you think he feels about you bashing his children who are in pain and using this space to heal? What is it that gives you the idea that it is okay to lie in the name of God, as you seem to be in defense of, by giving a false email address? What exactly is your heart condition right now? It sounds to me like you need to spend a bit more time searching the web for sites where you yourself can find a site to manage your own issues with anger, and people who want life to be unscarred for children. Maybe if you knew this kind of protection in your "real" life, you would be able to appreciate this. Oh, and also "Mellissa". . . . My mom is also still a JW, and I discovered that I too had a lot of anger in my life. I discovered that the anger I had was due to my mom not protecting me from my abuser. I was more angry at her than anyone else! But as a JW mom. . . she was too busy planning for her "talk", or "going over sundays meeting". Being "prepared" was the solution for her life in a perfect world, all the while not realizing the goings on in the world we actually live in! Hello! Have you ever heard the phrase "you better check yourself before you wreck yourself"?

As If! y2kym

Remote User:

Date: 11 Feb. 2002

Time: 18:45:23

Comments:

Wonderful and so very needed. . . I am grateful that you had the courage to honor this process, for the truth and give the voice to others who so desperately needed it. . . . . . As i have heard before but, it is seen again here, as I have a tear of joy in my eyes that this is here, there is not enough darkness in all the world to put out the light of one small candle and because of your light others will find their small light and we will all shine on growing ever stronger in our presence , that once was darkness. . . the voice will become stronger and the truth will be known. . Becky C thank you

Remote User:

Date: 11 Feb. 2002

Time: 19:36:35

Comments:

I AM COMMENTING IN CAPITOLS TO THE FOLLOWING EMAIL POSTED AT: REMOTE USER: DATE 30 JAN 2002 TIME: 16:37:11 IN THE GUESTBOOK. Your statement in #1 goes without saying. First of all, who is going to stop anybody from calling the police about anything UNFORNUNATELY MANY TIMES ITS THE PERSON WHOSE DOING THE ABUSING. One, (JW or not), can do whatever one wants whenever they want. LOOK IF YOUR A CHILD AND YOU WANT TO CALL THE POLICE CAUSE YOUR PARENTS WONT OR TELL THE ADULT YOU NEED HELP AND YOU FIND OUT THE ELDERS, PARENTS, OR THE ADULTS DONT WANT TO GET INVOLVED. . . HELLO. If my child was being molested by a "brother" or anybody else for that matter, I would call the police and notify the elders, not necessarily in that order. WHAT IF YOUR TOLD YOUR NOT ALLOWED TO AND IF YOU DO YOUR GOING TO BE PUNISHED EVEN MORE. . HUH. . WHAT THEN. You make it sound like JWs are being prevented from calling the police when that is an UNTRUE statement. . . WRONG IT DOES HAPPEN AND UNLESS YOU'VE BEEN IN THAT SITUATION YOU REALLY DONT KNOW. I'VE BEEN AND I WASNT ALLOWED TO CALL. . WELL. . UNLESS I WANTED TO GET ABUSED AGAIN, OR TOLD YOU WILL BE THE ONE IN TROUBLE BY THE ELDERS BECAUSE ITS THEIR JOB TO TAKE CARE OF THIS AND WHEN NOTHING IS DONE THEY SAY "JUST WAIT ON JEHOVAH. " I SAID THAT HOW MANY TIMES WHILE I WAS BEING ABUSED. COULD JEHOVAH BE ANSWERING THE MANY PRAYERS NOW. HMMM. Who would prevent them? I don't have elders shackled to me to make sure that I do or don't do whatever, nobody else does either. I'M GLAD YOU HAVE HAD THAT EXPERIENCE. I AND MANY OTHERS DIDNT. I would imagine that there are passive, little "doormat" women in every organization, religious or otherwise, who can't make a responsible decision on their own about how to handle their child being molested by a husband or somebody else. ARE YOU A STUPID MORON. YOU IMAGINE! WHO ARE YOU TO EVEN SUGGES THAT. OK WHAT ABOUT THE WIFE WHO IS ALSO BEING ABUSED BY THE HUSBAND AND HAS THREATENED HER? HUH? WHAT IF THAT "PASSIVE LITTLE DORMAT" IS AN ELDERS WIFE? WHAT IF SHE'S BEING ABUSED ALSO? You've got women who allow it to happen and they know about it and they don't report it SOUNDS LIKE YOUR TALKING FROM EXPERIENCE. --stupid doormat women. IS THAT ANGER I READ? who live in fear and are afraid to take the bull by the horns for whatever reason, real or imagined. HOW CAN YOU BE SO JUDGEMENTAL? MAYBE YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE SINCE YOUR PUTTING OUT THESE TYPES OF COMMENTS. HMMM. . . FEAR OF MORE ABUSE MAYBE. and go to the elders for spiritual help in coping with the atrocity. OK, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO SOMEONE WHO HAS COME TO YOU SAYING THEY HAVE TRIED GOING TO THE ELDERS AND THEY WERE TOLD TO NOT GO TO THE POLICE. ARE YOU GOING TO JUDGE THEM FOR DOING WHAT THEY CAN TO GET HELP; THE ONLY WAY THEY KNOW HOW AND NOTHING IS BEING DONE. Elders are not police. REALLY, WELL TELL THAT TO THE MANY MANY PEOPLE WHO WROTE IN THOSE TYPES OF STORES, OR ARE ALL THOSE MANY MANY PEOPLE LYING. ARE THEY STUPID DOORMAT PEOPLE THEN? Victims and their parents are free to seek help from police or therapists. WRONG, MANY ARE TOLD NTO TO GO TO ANY THERAPIST AND IF YOU DO. DO NOT SPEAK ABOUT THE ELDERS, ORGANIZATION OR ABOUT ANYTHING BAD OR NEGATIVE AND IF THEY DO THEY HAVE REPERCUSSIONS. THAT YOU ARE BRINGING REPROACH ON GOD, ORGANZIATION,ELDERS AND THE PERSON WHO ABUSED YOU. IT DOESNT MATTER THAT YOU PUT UP WITH YEARS OF FEAR, ANGER, BEING TOLD WE SHOULD HAVE STOPPED IT, OR THINKING JEHOVAH DOESNT LOVE YOU. HOW CAN YOU NOT FEEL THAT WAY WHEN IT IS DRAINED INTO YOU ALL THE TIME. and should not blame the church if they choose not to do so. What MORON would not report abuse of THEIR CHILD to the police THE MORON WHOSE ABUSING THEIR CHILD. If anyone thinks that the ELDERS are police, they are wrong, they are spiritual counselors and they have many other spiritual responsibilities as well!YOUR RIGHT THEIR HUMAN AND IMPERFECT JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSES. THEY DO ALOT FOR THE CONGREGATION AND MAKE MANY SACRIFICES. HOW CAN THEY BE SPIRITUAL COUNSELORS WHEN THEY ARE AIDING AND LETTING THE PERPETRATOR LIVE THEIR LIFE AND THE ABUSED CHILD/CHILDREN STOP LIVING THEIRS. HOW CAN ANYONE ON THE COMMITTEE BE SPIRITUAL COUNSELORS WHEN THEY KNOW OF A SITUATION AND DONT GET INVOLVED. I WILL NOT ACCEPT THE EXCUSE THAT THE ELDER(S) WERENT ON THAT JUDICIAL COMMITTEE OR ON THE GROUP THAT MAY BE LOOKING INTO THIS MATTER. Parents are encouraged to do whatever they need to do to protect their child. YES, AND WITH PARENTS ITS NOT AN OPTION OF WHETHER TO PROTECT OR NOT. THEY ARE THE CAREGIVERS AND ITS THIER RESPONSIBILITY TO SEE THAT THEIR CHILD IS TAKEN CARE OF AND IS SAFE. THE CHILD IS NOT BEING PROTECTED WHEN THE PARENTS ARE BEING ENCOURAGED TO LET THE MATTER REST BECAUSE THE ELDERS WILL HANDLE IT. THE POOR CHILD IN THE MEANTIME IS STILL GETTING REPEATEDLY ABUSED. IS THAT BEING PROTECTIVE? They haven't committed a sin by turning in a Jehovah's Witness to the authorities. OH, REALLY, WHAT ABOUT ALL THOSE WHOSE BEEN COUNSELED FOR BRINGING IT ALL UP. WHAT ABOUT SOME OF THOSE LETTERS FROM THE WATCHTOWER SOCIETY STATING THAT THEY DONT HAVE TO. KEEPING IT QUIET SO THAT SO & SO WONT GET HURT BUT THE CHILD IS FOREVER SCARRED. I KNOW THERE ARE MANY MANY ELDERS, MINISTERIAL SERVANTS, PEOPLE AT THE SOCIETY ARE VERY GOOD PEOPLE AND WOULDNT PUT UP WITH THIS. FOR YOU TO MAKE THE COMMENT THAT HAVE LIKE "PASSIVE LITTLE DOORMAT. " I DO HOPE YOU ARE NOT AN ELDER BECAUSE THIS IS IMMATURE THINKING. YOU ARE THE MORON FOR BEING JUDGEMENTAL. I CANT HELP BUT WONDER WHAT IS IT THAT YOUR ANGRY ABOUT. MAYBE YOUR SOMEONE WHOSE HANDLED THESE CASES AND THIS HAS BEEN YOUR EXPERIENCE. IF THATS THE CASE THEN USE DISCERNMENT AND LET PEOPLE KNOW OF YOUR EXPERIENCE, STRENGTH AND HOPE. THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU'VE DONE HERE. I'VE HAD THE BAD EXPERIENCES AND READING THIS HAS ANGERED ME, AND AS I'M READING THIS I'M THINKING MAYBE YOUR ONE OF THE SECRET SINNERS. HIDING SOMETHING OR WAS VICTIM. OH, I CANT DO THAT BECAUSE THEN I WOULD BE JUDGING YOU AND THATS NOT SHOWING YOU THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT. COULD YOU TRY TO SHOW SOME UNDERSTANDING FOR THE ONE BEING HURT.

#2 is obvious. Yes, no practicing pedophile, homosexual, murderer, liar, spouse abuser, drunk, adulterer, etc. should be allowed privileges in a religious organization. THEN WHAT ABOUT THE ELDERS WHO LET THESE TYPES OF PEOPLE HAVE PRIVILEDGES. That should be the case in ALL religions who uphold God's word! But is it? I doubt it. I would imagine that ALL religions have secret sinners of this sort in positions of responsibility--probably up to and including the "reverend". Is it right--NO! Does it happen? Probably. Will there ever be a way, in this system of things, to prevent it from happening--NO!!! WRONG!! THERE CAN BE PREVENTION TO KEEP IT FROM HAPPENING AS MUCH. GOD'S KINGDOM IS THE ANSWER FOR ALOT OF THINGS. WHAT IF THIS IS GOD'S WAY OF CLEANING HOUSE. WHAT IF THIS IS GOD'S WAY OF PREVENTING THIS AND SHOWING A BETTER WAY TO HELP THE INNOCENT ONES. GOD CARES FOR THE CHILDREN AND GOD USES THEM IN MANY EXAMPLES. JUST CONSIDER "WHAT IF. " Only God's kingdom can do away with all of the imperfections of this system of things. WERE NOT TALKING ABOUT DOING AWAY WITH THIS, HOWEVER WE ARE TALKING RIGHT NOW ABOUT HOW TO HELP. WERE NOT TALKING ABOUT DOING AWAY WITH THIS, MAKE THINGS BETTER NOW. Think about it, what were God's chosen people doing, while Moses was on the mountain taking down the commandments from God? WHAT! WHAT HAS THAT GOT TO DO WITH CHILDREN BEING HURT LIKE THEY ARE. I LOOKED THAT UP AND CANNOT FIND WHERE CHILDREN BEING ABUSED IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT RUINS THEIR LIFE. WE ARE NOT IN MOSES DAY. Look it up in the Bible if you don't know. If God's chosen people had serious problems when they reported directly to Jehovah, what makes you think that JWs or any other religion would not have problems. OK, YOU WANT TO STRETCH THIS WAY OUT OF PROPORTION YOU GO AHEAD. CHILDREN ARE A GIFT AN INHERITANCE. YES JW'S ARE NOT THE ONLY RELIGION HAVING THIS DELIMMA AND JUST LIKE OTHER RELIGIONS ITS BEING BROUGHT TO PEOPLES ATTENTION. It's called living in the last days, 2 Tim 3:1-5. It's an imperfect world and there's no way to fix everything without God's kingdom, especially when you have perverts like Satan running around like a lion seeking to devour someone. THIS IS AN IMPERFECT WORLD AND WHILE WE ARE HERE WE CAN DO WHAT WE CAN TO SAFEGUARD GOD'S GIFTS TO US. . . THE CHILDREN. I HOPE THAT YOU CAN START TO TRY TO SEE IT FROM SOMEONES SIDE WHOSE HAD THESE THINGS HAPPEN. THERE ARE MANY EXPERIENCES ON THE SITE THAT TELL YOU THEIR SIDE. IS IT WRONG FOR THEM TO GET HELP? NO! THEY ARE LIVING EXAMPLES THAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO WHAT THE ELDERS TELL THEM TO DO EVEN WHEN THEY GET HURT, SHUNNED AND NO MATTER WHAT SEEMS TO HAPPEN TO THEM THEY STILL LOVE JEHOVAH. MANY ARE WAITING FOR GOD TO TAKE CARE OF THIS. THE TIME HAS COME TO WHERE THEY GET ACKNOWLEDGED FOR BEING STRONG WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN PUT IN THAT SITUATION.

Do JW elders ever screw up? Of course, once in a while, in a small minority cases, elders screw up. Who ever said elders are perfect all the time. You were by some of your comments. They are no more perfect that you are, Bill. BILL IS TRYING TO HELP AND ITS SAD THAT YOU CANNOT SEE THAT. BILL CAN SLEEP AT NIGHT. BILL IS MORE OF A WITNESS FOR DOING WHAT IS RIGHT AND YOUR PUTTING HIM DOWN FOR THAT. FROM WHAT I'VE READ ALL HE'S DONE WAS SHOW FACTS ON THINGS. Obviously, they are striving to set a good example but are they all-knowing, making right decisions at all times? Not possible. THEY ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY ARE ABOVE THE REST OF US AND ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FLOCK, SO YES, THEY NEED TO BE HELD MORE RESPONSIBLE. THEY ARE SUPPOSE TO BE EXAMPLES. DONT GET ME WRONG THERE ARE MANY WHO ARE GREAT EXAMPLES. ITS SAD THAT IT JUST TAKES A FEW TO RUIN THE REPUTATION OF MANY. I don't know anybody who can claim that, not even you, Bill. I'm sure you've made some bad decisions in your life that in hindsight you regret. We all have. BILL ISNT SAYING HE'S PERFECT. HE'S WAS GIVEN CHOICES AND HE CHOSE TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND FOR THAT HE'S GOTTEN PUNISHED. I PRAY THAT HE GETS BLESSED IN MANY WAYS BECAUSE OF THE ONES HE'S HELPED. I PRAY FOR YOU. I PRAY THAT THIS MAY NEVER HAPPEN TO YOU OR ANYONE YOU KNOW BECAUSE IF YOU HAVENT BEEN IN THESE TYPES OF SITUATIONS YOU REALLY DONT KNOW. RIGHT NOW YOUR SPEAKING OUT OF IGNORANCE, OR ARE YOU? FROM WHAT I'VE READ THERE IS ANGER. MAYBE SOMETHINGS HAPPENED TO YOU AND YOUR BEING TRIGGERED AND THIS IS THE ONLY WAY YOU KNOW HOW TO REPOND. mAYBE YOU'VE BEEN AN ELDER WHOSE BEEN APPROACHED AND WAS TOLD CERTAIN THINGS TO DO. WHATEVER IT MAY BE WITH YOU PLEASE HAVE SOME COMPASSION FOR THE LITTLE GUY.

You state that no molesters should be allowed to go in the door to door ministry. To my knowledge, privileges such as going door-to-door, etc. , would be removed from such ones. All of the "body of elder" letters you posted on your site attest to this fact. SOME LETTERS ATTEST TO KEEPING SILENT AN I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE OF PEOPLE GOING TO DOOR-TO-DOOR, HAVING PRIVILEDGES, ETC. I'M GLAD TO KNOW THAT FROM YOUR KNOWLEDGE ITS BEING DONE THAT WAY. GOOD. WHAT ABOUT OTHER PEOPLES KNOWLEDGE?

Not only that, but as everyone knows, JWs go door to door with at least one other person, nobody goes to the door alone. REALLY! DO YOU GO OUT EVERYDAY? ALL DAY LONG? YOU REALLY DONT KNOW DO YOU? PEOPLE DO GO OUT ALONE. DO YOU LIKE MAKING STUFF UP? And how is somebody going to molest a child on a doorstep anyway? ARE YOU THAT IGNORANT? NO, MAYBE JUST NIEVE. SOME PERPETRATORS TAKE THEIR TIMES TO PLAN THESE THINGS. WHAT IF A BIBLE STUDY IS STARTED AND THAT PERSON GOES THERE EVERY WEEK GETTING TO KNOW THE FAMILY AS WELL AS STUDING THE BIBLE. MOST GAIN THE CHILDS TRUST IN SOME WAY FIRST. A STRANGER CAN PUT THE FEAR OF GOD INTO A CHILD SO YES, THINGS LIKE THAT CAN HAPPEN.

As far as the elders in a religious organization reporting something told to them in confidence, I believe the Supreme Court ruled on this. WHAT ABOUT THE MORAL SPIRITUAL SUPREME COURT? YOUR TALKING THIRD PARTY. WHAT ABOUT THE FIRST OR SECOND PARTY? WHAT ABOUT THE PROTECTING THE INNOCENT CHILD? I COULD BE WRONG BUT HASNT THERE ALSO BEEN CASES WHEN IT COMES TO CHILDREN BEING HURT LIKE THAT THEY NEED TO REPORT IT. I'M TALKING ANY RELIGION. WHAT RULING IS THIS? WHERE DID THAT RULING COME FROM? ANYBODY CAN WRITE SOMETHING DOWN. WHAT SUPREME COURT? WHAT CITY, STATE BECUASE EACH STATE IS DIFFERENT. THE MERE FACT THAT ONE INDIVIDUAL KNOWS THAT A THIRD PARTY IS OR COULD BE DANGEROUS TO OTHERS DOES NOT MAKE THE INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBLE FOR CONTROLLING THE THE THIRD PARTY IS OR COULD BE DANGEROUS TO OTHERS DOES NOT MAKE THAT INDIVIDUALLY

controlling the third party," the Supreme Judicial Court ruled. "There is no duty to announce to people that 'John Brown' is a child abuser. " If the court had ruled otherwise, it "would basically discourage people from going to their ministers and getting help. " If people could not count on confidentiality when they go and confess to a Catholic priest, there's going be quite a chilling effect on religion. HM. THEN WHY WOULD IT BE PUBLIC RECORD WHEN A CHILD ABUSER MOVES INTO AN AREA AND THE AUTHORITIES GO DOOR-TO-DOOR TO LET PEOPLE KNOW. HELLO, THERE IS A CHILLING EFFECT ON RELIGION OR YOU WOULDNT BE HEARING ABOUT IT MUCH MORE NOW THAN BEFORE.

ALL victims need help,REALLY, EVEN THE ONES YOU CALL "PASSIVE. . . DOORMAT, ETC? Bill, not that you will ever be able to do that all by yourself. wHY SHOULD HE WHEN HE HAS PEOPLE WHO WANT TO HELP HIM. NEVER GOT THE IMPRESSION BILL WAS WANTING TO DO THAT, OR IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT PEOPLE TO THINK. Unfortunately, you come across as having a vendetta against JWs, instead of coming across as wanting to help children. OH. YOUR COMING OFF AS REALLY CLOSED MINDED. BILL HAS HELPED SO MANY PEOPLE AND ITS SAD THAT YOU DONT SEE THAT. THAT WILL BE ANOTHER THING I WILL PRAY FOR YOU. THERE ISNT VENDETTAS. I'VE NOT HEARD HIM PUT DOWN THE ORGANIZATION. I'VE HEARD HIS FRUSTRATION AND WANTING POLICIES TO CHANGE. HE'S BEEN SAD THAT CHILDREN HAVE BEEN HURT. HE HAS COURAGE TO LOOK AT THIS IN A BROADER SCOPE. i'VE BEEN GOING TO MEETINGS FOR QUITE SOME TIME AND I'VE SEEN ELDERS LETTERS AND THE ONES THATS BEEN POSTED ARE AMAZINGLY HAVE THE SAME LOGO, ARTWORK, SIGNATURE, ETC. I LET THE FACTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. WHEN THINGS HAVE BEEN POSTED OR SENT TO THE WTBT SOCIEITY THERE HAS BEEN AN AREA TO WHERE ITS BEEN CERTIFIED AS BEING TRUE. Wait a minute, that's it, I get it now--under the guise of wanting to help children, you really do have a vendetta against Jehovah's Witnesses. ARE YOU. . . NO WAIT A MINUTE. . . THATS IT. . . IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT SOMEONE TELLS YOU. YOUR LOOKING AT THIS VERY NARROWMINDED. HOW HAVE YOU HELPED OR CONTRIBUTED TO HELP. YOU CANT COUNT YOUR FLAPPING YOUR TRAP ABOUT WHAT YOU ASSUME AS HELPING. And what better forum than the Internet to exhibit your wares, where this kind of propaganda thrives. The press loves nothing more than to report something bad about Jehovah's Witnesses--you obviously used this to your advantage. THE INTERNET IS A VERY USEFUL WAY TO HELP PEOPLE. HOW MANY STORIES ARE ON THERE THAT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME A VICTIM HAS BEEN ABLE TO SAY SOMETHING. MANY TIMES THATS JUST THE FIRST STEP TOWARD HEALING. HOW IS THIS TO HIS ADVANTAGE. HE'S NOT GETTING MONEY ON THIS. HE'S NOT BEING PAID FOR THE MASSIVE AMOUNT OF TIME HE SPENDS EVERY DAY HELPING SOMEONE THAT DIDNT KNOW HOW TO SPEAK UP BEFORE. HE DOESNT HAVE TO DO THIS, HE WANTS TO HELPE AND HOW DARE YOU INCINUATE THAT HE'S DOING THIS TO HIS ADVANTAGE. LOOK AT THE RESOURCES, THE LINKS TO HELP PEOPLE. A VENDETTA? NO, A VENTDETTA IS WHERE YOU WANT TO HURT SOMEONE IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. YOU SOUND LIKE YOU HAVE A VENDETTA TOWARD HIM, OR ARE YOU JEALOUS? HE IS USING HIS TIME WISELY AND GETTING A BETTER MESSAGE ACROSS OF HOW HE WANTS TO HELP NOT HURT. HE'S LETTING THE FACTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. DO YOU KNOW WHAT ITS LIKE TO KEEP SOMETHING LIKE THIS BOTTLED UP? BEING ABLE TO PUT SOMETHING DOWN ANONYMOUSLY THEY GET TO TAKE THAT BIG HEAVY WEIGHT OFF THEIR CHEST EVEN IF ITS JUST FOR A LITTLE BIT.

Information can be slanted any which way to suit the one delivering the information. HMMM. . WHAT MESSAGE ARE YOU SLANTING TOWARD? --the media does it all the time. Smart ones do their research. THEN I GUESS BILL IS A GENIUS BECAUSE I'VE LOOKED UP INFO AND DID BACKGROUND CHECKS AND HAVENT FOUND ANYTHING THATS BEEN A LIE. however, to find out if what they are being told is REALLY true. BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT AND LOTS OF IT IS REALLY TRUE, OR WOULD YOU YOU BE CALLING SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN HURT IN THAT WAY A LIAR. I'M NOT A LIAR. The truth is out there but certainly not with silentlambs. SAD THAT YOU ARE CALLING MANY PEOPLE LIARS. WHAT ADVANTAGE WOULD IT BE FOR MOST OF US TO PUT SOMETING DOWN THAT HURTS THEM DEEPLY INSIDE. US, "SILENTLAMBS" HAVE LIVED WITH THIS HORROR OUR WHOLE LIFETIME. WHAT ABOUT US? DONT WE DESERVE TO BE HEARD? DONT WE DESERVE JEHOVAH'S HELP? DONT WE DESERVE TO HEAL AND MOVE PAST BEING A SURVIVOR? I BELIEVE THAT JEHOVAH IS HELPING AND NOW THIS IS MAJOR CLEANING TIME. YOU KNOW WHAT COMES AROUND GOES AROUND. IT'S OUR TIME NOW. ITS OUR TIME TO BE ACKNOWLEDGED. ITS OUR TIME TO PUT CLOSURE ON THIS AND LIVE LIFE AND BE HAPPY. JEHOVAH WANTS HIS PEOPLE TO BE HAPPY. This is a classic example of a disgruntled JW slanting the truth because he has a bone to pick supposedly about JWs covering up child molestation. SUPPOSEDLY! NOW THATS SAD THAT YOU DONT SEE WHERE YOUR THINKING IS WAY OUT THERE. I GUESS THOSE COURT HEARINGS AND COURT DOCUMENTS DONT MEAN ANYTHING. SO ARE THOSE MANY MANY GUT WRENCHING STORIES ARE BEING MADE UP? (Isn't a Catholic child molester just as bad? ANY MOLESTER IS JUST AS BAD. THE INFO THAT I'VE READ HASNT BEEN SHOWING PREFERENCE. THE LINKS ON THE SITE ARENT JUST FOR JW'S. ITS FOR ANYONE WHOSE BEEN A VICTIM OR SILENTLAMB. Of course, we are all VERY familiar with the child molestation cover up by the Catholic church, among other things. HM. . YOU SOUND LIKE YOU DIDNT LIKE IT WHEN THE CATHOLICS COVERED UP THINGS AND ITS DIFFERENT WHEN ITS JW'S. SO DID YOU EMAIL THEM AND REEM THEM LIKE YOU HAVE THIS WEBSITE. DOUBT IT.

So you had a bad experience, big deal. CAN YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT WITH YOUR DYSFUNCTIAL THINKING? ONE BAD EXPERIENCE FOR A CHILD IS ONE TO MANY. FROM WHAT HAS BEEN NOTED ON THIS SITE ITS TOO MANY INSTANCES OF INJUSTICES TO IGNORE ANYMORE. Injustice prevails. Is injustice pleasant--no! Does it exist--obviously! Has everyone experienced it in one form or another--yes! The questions is: Are you a victim or a survivor? I CONSIDER ANYONE WHOSE WROTE WHAT THEY HAVE ON THIS SITE A THRIVER BECAUSE THEY SURVIVED. I consider myself to be a survivor. YES A SURVIVOR THAT STILL HAS MANY ISSUES. Since I have survived I have chosen not dwell on the injustice forever. GOOD FOR YOU. ARE YOU DWELLING ON RESENTMENT AND ANGER THEN? What purpose does that serve--it only feeds self-pity and wanting pity from others--there's more to life than that. YES, THERE IS AND THIS SITE HAS SHOWN THAT. Of course, I realize that there are a few people who thrive on wallowing in self-pity for the attention is garners. YOU SOUND LIKE ONE OF THEM. For me personally, I simply look forward to the day when all injustices will be done away with. GOOD FOR YOU. WHAT CAN YOU DO TO HELP? YOU SAY YOUR A SURVIVOR SO YOU WOULD HAVE THE EXPERIENCE STRENGTH AND HOPE FOR SOMEONE ELSE. AFTER READING THIS WOULDNT WANT YOUR EXPERIENCE BECAUSE I'M SEEING WHERE ITS BITTERED YOU. WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF? I GO WITH THE WINNERS AND BILL AND HIS MANY HELPERS HAS HELPED DO JUST THAT. I KNOW THAT JEHOVAH WILL BLESS PEOPLE WHO HELP OTHER PEOPLE. THINK ABOUT IT. WAIT A MINUTE, BEFORE YOU DO THAT TAKE OFF THOSE HORSE BLINDERS FIRST. BEFORE YOU GIVE YOUR ASSUMING OPINIONS TAKE THAT RAFTER OUT OF YOUR EYE FIRST BECAUSE ITS BLINDING YOU. YOU REMEMBER ABOUT THE 100 SHEEP AND ONE WAS LOST. WHAT IF SOMEONE'S COMMENTS OR ENCOURAGEMENT HELPS JUST ONE OF THOSE SHEEP THATS BEEN SHUT UP FOR A LONG TIME. LOOK AT JESUS HE LOOKED VERY HARD TO SAVE THAT ONE LITTLE LOST GUY. THIS SITE IS HELPING ALOT OF THOSE LITTLE LOST ONES AND WANT TO BE FOUND AND BE LOVED AS MUCH AS THE OTHER 99. WAS IT BY CHOICE THAT THE LITTLE ONE WAS LOST. WE DONT KNOW. WE DO KNOW THAT IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THAT ONE TO BE FOUND. ITS BEEN TAUGHT THAT THE ELDERS SHEPARD THE FLOCK, SO WHAT EXAMPLE IS BEING SET WHEN THAT LITTLE SHEEP IS LEFT THERE AND DIDNT HAVE TO BE. GOD IS THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN JUDGE SOMEONE'S ACTIONS AND I KNOW THAT WHEN GOD HEARS MY NAME HE WILL HAVE A BIG SMILE. I WILL PRAY FOR ALL THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN AFFECTED AS EITHER A VICTIM, SURVIVOR, THE ONE WHO HURT THE CHILD/ CHILDREN, AND THE ONES THAT WERE IN A POSITION TO HELP AND FOR WHATEVER REASON DIDNT. I PRAY THAT PEACE WILL BE THERE. I HOPOE THAT WHOEVER READS THIS AND HAS FELT LIKE THE PERSON WHO COMMENTED IN BLACK REGULAR PRINT OR WHOSE FEELINGS/THINKINGS OF THE COMMENTS IN ALL CAPITOLS HAS HELPED IN ANY WAY. THE DATELINE SHOW IS ABOUT ALL OF THIS AND WILL HAVE A RIPPLE EFFECT AND IS GOING TO BE WIDESPREAD AND GOOD WILL COME OUT OF THIS. I DO BELIEVE YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW AND MAYBE JUSTICE WILL PREVAIL THOSE WHO'VE BEEN HURT. DO NOT BELIEVE THIS SITE IS JUST PICKING ON JW'S BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY COMMENTS THATS BEEN FROM NON-JW'S. IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT RIGHT NOW ALOW OF JW'S ARE AFFECTED. THIS IS A WORLDWIDE DELIMMA AND THIS IS JUST ONE POSITIVE STEP TO SET SOME WRONGS. CHILDREN ARE SO PRECIOUS AND THEY NEED TO BE CHILDREN AND BE IN A SAFE ENVIRONMENT. LETS TREAT OUR GIFTS THE WAY GOD WOULD WANT THEM TO BE AND THAT IS LOVED UNCONDITIONALLY. I WANT TO PERSONALLY ACKNOWLEDGE MY THANKS TO ALL THOSE WHO'VE COME FORWARD AND BEEN BRAVE, AND ALL THOSE WHO ARE GIVING OF THEIR TIME IN SOME WAY TO HELP. MANY WILL NEVER BE ACKNOWLEDGED. ONE OF THE THINGS THIS SITE HAS ACCOMPLISHED IS GIVING KNOWLEDGE ON HOW TO IMPROVE HOW CERTAIN THINGS ARE DONE. YOU KNOW THE SAYING; "KNOWLEDGE IS POWER". THANK YOU FOR READING THIS AND KEEP ANYONE WHOSE BEEN HURT IN YOUR PRAYERS.

Remote User:

Date: 11 Feb. 2002

Time: 23:51:41

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the email I responded to was the one posted at Remote User: Date: 30 Jan 2002 Time: 16:37:11 and i responded in capitol letters and now i'm reading that when you type in capital letters that you are yelling. That was not my intention. Capital letters was the only way i could distinguish between their and my comments. When you respond it doesn't give you a choice of font or color so this was my only option. There were a few places that i wanted to yell. I am very thankful for this site and i check it many times to see what other people's comments are and to get updates. I am glad that Bill mentioned that he was in good standing and he wasn't disfellowshipped or reproved. NOW maybe some of the people will stop badgering him about that. thank you

Remote User:

Date: 13 Feb. 2002

Time: 00:07:47

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This is a wonderful website! As an abuse survivor myself, it is truly heartwarming to learn that not only am I not alone, but there IS something that IS being done to make others, especially the media, aware of this problem in the witness organization. It's time they learned that these lambs have TEETH! Jeanette Gibson

Remote User:

Date: 13 Feb. 2002

Time: 03:52:55

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It is all true the JWs are an evil organization that hides its wrongs behind a veil of religious piety. I have had a child abused while a JW and went through exactly the same process as has been shown on this site. John Law Nambour Australia

Remote User:

Date: 14 Feb. 2002

Time: 17:44:56

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Not bad. I've been away for a lot of years and didn't have to put up with any of that crap. But I knew families that did. This web site puts the issue in perspective and was the first time I thought of the problem as endemic.

- Buster

Remote User:

Date: 15 Feb. 2002

Time: 23:43:15

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Just read everyone's letters for January. A thought: if a brother who had molested children and now did not and was truly repentant would you not think that he would be humble enough not to impose on the congregation by expecting everyone to forgive him let alone give him "position"? Would he not be in fear of bringing reproach upon Jehovah by going door to door? Would you not think that he would sit in the back like the "dog" that he is and not expect anything??? But be gracious enough to be able to sit in a Kingdom Hall and grateful- that out of love no brother or sister would kill him??? Any brother who has sexually molested a child and is not ashamed of the support he gets from the elders and isn't ashamed of the shunning of the victim by the elders is not - I repeat is not a repentant brother.

Another subject: My children were threaten with me being murdered in front of them and then they themselves being murdered if they told - they were 2, 3 and 4 years old- This was in 1970 or so when "I" didn't know that things like this happened, I didn't know what to do and thought it was my fault for not protecting my children and I was not able to speak about it openly for 15 years or so. I told all members of my family, since all had minor children in the home. NOT ONE PERSON BELIEVED ME and they are today still sympathetic to the molester (my brother) and never ever have they shown concern or compassion for my babies. I have cut off my whole family over this issue. To not be a hypocrite, I had to cut myself off from the witnesses for the way they do business with pedophiles. I can't treat my family one way and the witnesses another. I will not be friends with or associate with anyone who treats a pedophile with sympathy and the victim of the same pedophile with indifference or contempt.

True this happens everywhere - so why go anywhere??? I don't have to go to a Kingdom Hall if it is the same as every place else and I don't want friends who can't think. I went to the kingdom hall because I thought it was different.

Lots of thoughts. This "two witness" thing is a "mantra" - Jehovah never ever meant it to be used as a thoughtless excuse to "burn children" - Jehovah said "meek" not stupid. Jehovah's witnesses should be outstanding not ordinary and that is where Bill's heartache is and everyone who shares on this site. When there is no difference between a Catholic or a witness except doctrine, a real witness of the real God Jehovah takes it to heart. Can't get saved on doctrine. At least I don't think so.

You guys take care. CEM

Remote User:

Date: 15 Feb. 2002

Time: 23:45:27

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Just read everyone's letters for January. A thought: if a brother who had molested children and now did not and was truly repentant would you not think that he would be humble enough not to impose on the congregation by expecting everyone to forgive him let alone give him "position"? Would he not be in fear of bringing reproach upon Jehovah by going door to door? Would you not think that he would sit in the back like the "dog" that he is and not expect anything??? But be gracious enough to be able to sit in a Kingdom Hall and grateful- that out of love no brother or sister would kill him??? Any brother who has sexually molested a child and is not ashamed of the support he gets from the elders and isn't ashamed of the shunning of the victim by the elders is not - I repeat is not a repentant brother.

Another subject: My children were threaten with me being murdered in front of them and then they themselves being murdered if they told - they were 2, 3 and 4 years old- This was in 1970 or so when "I" didn't know that things like this happened, I didn't know what to do and thought it was my fault for not protecting my children and I was not able to speak about it openly for 15 years or so. I told all members of my family, since all had minor children in the home. NOT ONE PERSON BELIEVED ME and they are today still sympathetic to the molester (my brother) and never ever have they shown concern or compassion for my babies. I have cut off my whole family over this issue. To not be a hypocrite, I had to cut myself off from the witnesses for the way they do business with pedophiles. I can't treat my family one way and the witnesses another. I will not be friends with or associate with anyone who treats a pedophile with sympathy and the victim of the same pedophile with indifference or contempt.

True this happens everywhere - so why go anywhere??? I don't have to go to a Kingdom Hall if it is the same as every place else and I don't want friends who can't think. I went to the kingdom hall because I thought it was different.

Lots of thoughts. This "two witness" thing is a "mantra" - Jehovah never ever meant it to be used as a thoughtless excuse to "burn children" - Jehovah said "meek" not stupid. Jehovah's witnesses should be outstanding not ordinary and that is where Bill's heartache is and everyone who shares on this site. When there is no difference between a Catholic or a witness except doctrine, a real witness of the real God Jehovah takes it to heart. Can't get saved on doctrine. At least I don't think so.

You guys take care. CEM

Remote User:

Date: 18 Feb. 2002

Time: 17:31:11

Comments:

I would just like you to know that i also was a J W for 15years. I was disfellowshipped 10 yrs ago for wanting to divorce my husband. the excuse they made was that i wanted to celebrate christmas with my children. I have since then not agreed with any of there polices. I would like to say that i read your article and am glad they are being shown for what sort of people they really are. they tried to stop my mother from speaking to me, but she choose to ignore them. and now she has also seen your article and is going to disassociate herself from them. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART. AS NOW SHE HAS SEEN THEM IN A DIFFERENT LIGHT. THANK YOU DAWN

Remote User:

Date: 18 Feb. 2002

Time: 19:23:36

Comments:

I am going to link to some of your articles about the sexual abuse in the JW's. I have a clergy crime site:

http://community. webtv. net/cyberministry/Articles

Remote User:

Date: 18 Feb. 2002

Time: 23:41:19

Comments:

This tragic subject is one that is known all too well to me. We must all keep speaking out and bringing it out into the light. Monsters thrive in darkness. I'd like to invite you to visit my friend and I's site, Beware The Wounded Tiger. It's about childhood sexual abuse and features a forum there for survivor's to submit their poems and/or survivor stories so they may help others and have a place to vent. We are moving on March 1st to a permanent site, but for now you can find us still at http://members. aol. com/spookydesigns/angelmz/main. htm

Remote User:

Date: 19 Feb. 2002

Time: 14:05:50

Comments:

i would just like to thank you for all things your are bringing to my attention my daughter was disfellowshipped from jw and as i was then still attending the meetings i could not speak to her it took some months to realize my family was breaking up my husband and i where on the verge of splitting up over it thank fully i took stock and ignored them jw that is i haven't been to the meetings now for about nine years and just found this site thank you i know this letter is not about abuse of a child but I hope my point is taken and i have now written to them to disassociate my self from people who can hide behind so called Scriptures and sweep things like child abuse under the carpet as if it was of no concern. thank you again and keep up the work veronicadams2000@yahoo. co. uk

Remote User:

Date: 19 Feb. 2002

Time: 16:28:58

Comments:

I never thought that I would see the day that someone would take a stand against what happens on the inside of this organization. I was raised within this strange world and was abused as well with nothing being done about it. The use of an outside professional psychiatric therapist is highly shunned. I have overcome my past through years of strong analysis of the situation.

I am glad that you are doing this. So I guess it isn't true that Jehovah will protect them through all!

Some minds are very twisted.

Remote User:

Date: 19 Feb. 2002

Time: 17:01:25

Comments:

Your website is wonderful -- it gives voices to those who were silenced by the WT. It is refreshing to see a site such as this. As a victim of childhood sexual abuse (I'm not/never been a JW), I weep for those innocents and I pray that the WT is destroyed without a trace -- without even a memory of their existence. They have other foul double-standard policies -- but this is by far the most heinous. The JW's who are current members, may never see the truth and leave -- but I hope that this issue gets enough publicity to prevent their ranks from increasing. Ugghhhh! It makes me white-hot-mad when I read about their arrogance in protecting the organization and throwing their children to the wolves. Ok -- I'm venting. :) Keep on keeping on -- never give up -- this is a fight worth fighting for!

Sincerely,

Myrna

myrnawhite@rdblaw. com

Remote User:

Date: 23 Feb. 2002

Time: 06:49:17

Comments:

Have you heard of or know anything about a elder named William Vernon who was sent to jail for molesting children in the London Kentucky congregation about 10 years ago? I heard that when he got out of jail he moved to a different state. Just wondering if he got his elder privileges back yet in his new congregation?

Remote User:

Date: 23 Feb. 2002

Time: 14:12:34

Comments:

very interesting. i will come back darkwing_dud

Remote User:

Date: 24 Feb. 2002

Time: 01:48:46

Comments:

You are doing the victims of the Watchtower policy a great service by keeping this important website. My heart bleeds for those innocent children.

If it were not for sites like this, we canadians would be totally in the dark about such issues about Jehovah's Witnesses. No news media is permitted to write anything at all of negative nature about Jehovah's Witnesses here in Canada. Since I have made this statement many times, Jehovah's Witnesses wanted to "prove" me wrong by recently allowing a small article to be published here on the internet (global. com) about a JW girl getting a blood transfusion against Watchtower policy. But they still NEVER report anything about cases of pedophiles in the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses, whether it be from other countries or Canada. This whole big country called Canada is totally silent when it comes to exposing Jehovah's Witnesses for wrongdoing. Other religions yes. . . . but Jehovah's Witnesses NEVER.

Annette

Remote User:

Date: 24 Feb. 2002

Time: 11:38:28

Comments:

I have been in therapy now for several months because I finally could no longer deal with my anger about the molestation of my children by their father, his endless ability victimize me over and over again all at the orchestration of the "Christian" congregation. . . Then his welcome home party by the "Congregation" when he came home from prison (yes, I did prosecute him for five accounts of rape. . . I thought teaching infants to give him oral sex was not permissible)Then his full privileges in the congregation, then NEVER a dime of child support for his six children and a religion who found no fault with that. . . Then a new husband who so completely brainwashed supported all "elder" decisions even when unscriptural. . . . the story is endless and not finished yet. I am looking for other sisters who have endured such things. I am not an apostate. But if you speak out against the sexual misconduct of "the brothers" you instantly are an apostate. They don't want anyone to know. The first thing they do is tell you never to talk about it. Are they just in denial or is this a really wicked scheme to keep everyone in control so they can perpetuate their wicked behavior? If anyone has anything to share with me I really need to know. . . I think I really am loosing it. Jan e-mail janinehamilton@msn. com

Remote User:

Date: 26 Feb. 2002

Time: 12:48:01

Comments:

I would like to know if you still consider yourself to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses. You say that no one speaks to you at the Kingdom Hall. Do you still attend? Why or why not? What about going door to door. You state you go "alone with no territory. "

Remote User:

Date: 26 Feb. 2002

Time: 15:22:36

Comments:

If you are one of Jehovah's Witnesses, why do you perpetuate a site that insults each and every one of the Witnesses to their very core? I see so much venom being spewed on this website and I don't mean from victims. This seems to be a website for Witness bashing. Why do you tolerate such conduct if you believe Witness dogma?

What is an apostate?

Remote User:

Date: 26 Feb. 2002

Time: 22:57:47

Comments:

My grandfather, a ministerial servant ("elder" back then) was a child rapist. I was molested and then raped from infancy through 10 years. One of his daughters was molested and raped through 16 years. Another cousin, and countless neighborhood children, were also his victims. he threatened to kill me if I ever told.

My father regularly beat me to discipline me - while in his underwear where his erection was visible, and he would often be so excited that he'd ejaculate at the end. He was a ministerial servant and later an elder.

No one did anything about this. It was considered normal.

-adw

Remote User:

Date: 27 Feb. 2002

Time: 02:30:12

Comments:

My husband and I are studying 5 months now. I believe what they teach. I can sort of relate about rape. i was ,a long time ago. your right about the 2 witnesses thing. nobody else knows most of the time about the rape except you and the rapist. do they really have this policy enforced on the issue of child abuse? I know that scripture, but i cant imagine they would use it to apply to this issue. I have learned a lot of the bible from them, I am afraid not to become one of them ,because of what the bible says about those who do not obey Christ. About going door to door,Etc. do you still tell others about the kingdom?I thought they handled things perfectly on matters because every answer comes from the bible. there must be an exception on the matter of abuse. Then again there are rare occurrences of children lying. What is the bibles policy on child abuse? Please write me back at wwwGEOANDMISH@msn. com

Remote User:

Date: 27 Feb. 2002

Time: 03:02:55

Comments:

I'd like to address a few of the last couple of posts. First, the person who say this is a site for witness bashing & asks what is an apostate. If you look in the book "Aid to bible understanding" it says that an apostate is "one who stands apart" that's all. Next, if you are looking for a site devoted to "witness bashing" there are hundreds of them far better suited to the task. If you will read it again, especially the pamphlet, you'll notice this site does not address the dogma or teachings of the witnesses. IT ONLY ADRESSES THAT CHILDREN ARE BEING HORRIBLY RAPED & NOT A DAMN THING IS BEING DONE ABOUT IT BY THE WBTS!!!!! The thing that makes me so angry is that no one wants to face this & argue about doctrine, or say it doesn't happen that often, or it'll just go away. Your children are being raped over & over( I was in the wbts for 22 yrs, & I alone have talked to at least 20 kids who've had this happen, myself & my brother included, w/ not one molester ever having been reported) Stop arguing about who is a witness & who isn't, & ask your kids if any one has done this. take it to the elders & see what happens. As for the letter from the people who've been studying. You can go door to door yourself, you don't need a publishing companies OK to do it. Also, at least in the old testament, if you wanna know what was done to sex offenders, if you've read the bible at all, they had a great solution for these people who, even today, even with god's help, have a 95% re-offense rate. They killed them. End of story

Remote User:

Date: 27 Feb. 2002

Time: 03:05:00

Comments:

The above was written by avishai, avishai@hotmail. com

Remote User:

Date: 27 Feb. 2002

Time: 09:26:31

Comments:

Where do I find the book you refer to as "Aid to Bible Understanding?"

Remote User:

Date: 28 Feb. 2002

Time: 00:15:15

Comments:

It's also referred to as the "aid" book, It was the jw reference encyclopedia from the late 60's to the late 80'd

Remote User:

Date: 01 Mar 2002

Time: 08:25:09

Comments:

A certain person, like yourself (Via the internet) complained that sisters were allowed to teach in the congregation and not kept in subjection. You seem to be saying the opposite. Jesus said that our forgiveness takes place by GOD ON CONDITION that we forgive other, (since all fall short of God's glory!) 'The Lord's Prayer'-Matt 6:14. How do you interpret a threat or warning? i.e.,,if one says that to go around telling others something that does not carry enough evidence to prove the point in question will make them subject to accusations of slander. If such a persons had en ought evidence, then why not go strait to the police? I have heard the Organization state that no one should protect someone who is breaking the Law! The problem might be a local one.

Remote User:

Date: 01 Mar 2002

Time: 20:53:31

Comments:

Read the "murder letter" under the caption "wt letters" you will see how wt service department feels about turning in criminals to the police.

I rest my case your honor. . . .

silentlambs

Remote User:

Date: 03 Mar 2002

Time: 11:55:40

Comments:

" The plaintiff's counsel seeks to strip a church of the sanctity and complete confidentiality of the confession. . . " - Paul D. Polidoro

First time I've seen the WBTS use the term "confession" - brought up in the faith, I never saw anyone going to confession.

What gets me even more is the caveat that the WBTS must have "proper evidence" to take any action, or support any victim - that "proper evidence" being two witnesses. With molest, this is virtually never happens.

No one believed me when I told. I had no witnesses. I was molested my entire childhood.

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