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February 2002 Guestbook
Remote User:
Date:
01 Feb. 2002
Time:
23:14:06
Comments:
I think you have a great site. I came close to being baptized
into the Jehovah Witnesses, but came to my senses just
in time. Keep up the good work.
Rosalie Kauffman rosebo@ns. sympatico. ca
Remote User:
Date:
02 Feb. 2002
Time:
12:48:07
Comments:
I'm interested in joining the JW. But also, I can assure
you, i would kill anyone with my bare hands who abuses my child.
Remote User:
Date:
03 Feb. 2002
Time:
00:45:34
Comments:
tweet74836@hotmail. com These comments have touched the core
of my heart. I too have been sexually abused though not
in the org.
at the time the abuse happened. And it is true people
will hardly believe a child's story and claim that they are lying.
My grandchildren
were abused and I believed them. It was convincing others
of it that proved a problem. What is it about people who
will not listen to a child's plea in a desperate situation
such
as this.
I thank God there is a site like this to help people
release
the stress and anxiety by talking it out. I could share
my story but this site is reserved for those in the org.
God
bless
all
you out there who found a way out and are making lives
for yourself and your children. You are the courageous
in your
actions to
deal with such a delicate subject.
Remote User:
Date:
04 Feb. 2002
Time:
00:23:43
Comments:
MY MOTHER IS A JEHOVAH WITNESS. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG
WITH THEM. IT SEEMS AS IF YOU TARGET THEM FOR PUBLICITY. THE
STORIES DO
NOT SEEM TRUE. YES GOD ALOWS US TO SUFFER AND PEOPLE
ARE IMPERFECT BUT DO NOT JUDGE THE WHOLE ORGINIZATION AS A WHOLE.
THE ELDERS
WOULD NOT TRY TO COVER UP THINGS LIKE THIS. THEY WOULD
TAKE COUNCIL FROM THE BIBLE AND BASICLLY SAY IT IS BETWEEN
GOD
AND THE VICTIM
WETHER TO PURSUE CHARGES. WHAT ABOUT ALL OF THE CATHOLIC
PRIESTS MOLESTING BOYS????? YOU ARE NOT TARGETING THEM.
YOU
ARE SATANS
TOOLS TO TURN PEOPLE AWAY FROM THIS ORGINIZATION. IM
ONLY 17 YRS OLD. IM NOT BAPTIZED. I HAVE A 4 MONTH OLD DAUGHTER.
FORNICATION
IS WRONG AND UNCLEAN IN GODS EYES, BUT IF I AM NO LONGER
HAVING SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE. IVE REPENTED AND BEGGED GOD
FOR
MERCY
AND HE IS ALWAYS READY TO FORGIVE. THERE IS A SCRIPTURE
IF I RECALL
CORRECTLY. . . IS SAYS MURDERERS REVILERS LIARS MEN WHO
LIE WITH MEN DRUNKARDS BLASPHEMERS SO AND SO WILL NOT INHERIT
GODS KINDOM,
BUT THAT IS WHAT SOME OF YOU WERE. MEANING GOD CAN FORGIVE
AND IF PEOPLE WANT TO PURSUE CHARGES LET THEM . I KNOW
THAT THE ELDERS
WILL NOT FORCE MATTERS TO BE CONFIDENTIAL. IT IS ONLY
TO
PROTECT THE INNOCENT LIKE THE WHOLE ORG. YES IT IS WRONG
TO SEXUALLY
ABUSE CHILDREN AND SO ON. BUT THEY ARE NOT A SECT. WHO
ARE YOU ALL TO JUDGE?????? ID LIKE TO KNOW. YOU ARE MERE
SINNERS
JUST
LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.
MY NAME IS MELISSA. MY EMAIL IS DIMPLES_L@HOTMAIL. COM
IM DISCUSTED WITH YOUR JUDGEMENTS. SUPPORT GROUPS ARE OK BUT
NOT TO TARGET CERTAIN PEOPLE. THAT IS PARTIALISM. HOW DO YOU
EXPECT TO HELP SOME ONE WHEN YOUR HURTING PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO
KNOW THE TRUTH??? IM NOT SAYING ITS IMPOSSIBLE FOR TRAGEDIES
LIKE THIS BUT GOD WILL PUT AN END TO IT AND ITIS IMPOSSIBLE
FOR GOD TO LIE
Remote User:
Date:
04 Feb. 2002
Time:
04:56:31
Comments:
The following is an email I tried to send to Melisa above,
it appears she used a fake address. I will leave this
up a few days
as a response, if she gives correct information I will
leave it up.
I noted your post on the silentlambs guestbook and wish to
make a few comments about what you have stated,
You wrote,
MY MOTHER IS A JEHOVAH WITNESS.
I am glad your mother is a JW and we mean in no way to make
her feel bad about being one. It also appears you are a JW also,
as you will note we have many posters who are JW's and I talk
to them on a weekly basis. I to am a JW in good standing and
I of course fault in no way any teachings of the organization
on the sl website. The problem is a policy that hurts children.
I served as an elder for many years and was also unaware until
I had to deal with a local case involving a child that was being
molested.
You wrote,
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THEM. IT SEEMS AS IF YOU TARGET
THEM FOR PUBLICITY. THE STORIES DO NOT SEEM TRUE.
Do you recall the scripture in Proverbs that says, "he
that is replying to a matter before he hears it is foolishness
on the part of he who speaks," or words to that effect.
How did you at the age of 17 become an expert on JW policy when
it comes to child molestation? I have been in the organization
for 43 years and you may want to listen before you start calling
victims of molestation liars. You may not wish to face this but
the stories are true. I have verified many with local police
reports and the few who were actually reported did go to jail.
Were those people just making it up also? In answer to the second
part of your statement, yes I am targeting JW's for this issue
because they have a far worse problem than most religions in
this area. How do I come to that conclusion? Read the website
instead of just posting in the guestbook. If you educate yourself
about this issue I believe you will come to far different conclusions,
rather than judgmental observations.
You wrote,
YES GOD ALOWS US TO SUFFER AND PEOPLE ARE IMPERFECT BUT DO NOT
JUDGE THE WHOLE ORGINIZATION AS A WHOLE. THE ELDERS WOULD NOT
TRY TO COVER UP THINGS LIKE THIS. THEY WOULD TAKE COUNCIL FROM
THE BIBLE AND BASICLLY SAY IT IS BETWEEN GOD AND THE VICTIM WETHER
TO PURSUE CHARGES.
Your statement shows the extent of your ignorance on this matter.
Jehovah has never approved of his people committing rape of a
child. It is a crime that breaks the laws of every country around
the world. Just as murder is a crime, you cannot simply blame
it on imperfection. The elders DO cover up things like this to
not bring reproach on the organization. In the meantime the pedophile
gets to have access to more children. In many cases JW pedophiles
are able to molest multiple children without being found out
as the elders keep the information confidential. You will not
know if a child molester is in your own Kingdom Hall as it is
WT policy to keep this confidential. The counsel elder's use
according to wt policy is to require two witnesses to the act
of child molestation. How often does a child molester obtain
an observer to watch his deviancy? 99% of child molesters will
lie when confronted, can you see how they can get away with it?
Read the WT articles on my website where it plainly states if
you have only one witness you leave it in Jehovah's hands. Would
you be willing to do this if it was your child?
You wrote,
WHAT ABOUT ALL OF THE CATHOLIC PRIESTS MOLESTING BOYS????? YOU
ARE NOT TARGETING THEM. YOU ARE SATANS TOOLS TO TURN PEOPLE AWAY
FROM THIS ORGINIZATION.
I am not a Catholic, I am a JW second generation. I do not know
Catholic doctrine and how Catholic policy works regarding child
molestation. I was and elder close to 20 years and could be considered
and expert on JW's. I know what the elder book says and all the
Body of Elders say on the topic of child molestation. Do you?
Read my website and find out much of this information. I have
personally spoken to close to 1000 JW victims of molestation.
Have you? I do not believe that many people would seek me out
just to lie and make the society look bad. Read the court documents
on my website. Are the police and judges all lying just to make
JW's look bad? Regarding the Catholic church they only hide pedophile
priests, JW's on the other hand hide any publisher who molests
a child by wt policy. It is a far worse scenario within the JW
organization. Can you face the truth?
You wrote,
IM ONLY 17 YRS OLD. IM NOT BAPTIZED. I HAVE A 4 MONTH OLD DAUGHTER.
FORNICATION IS WRONG AND UNCLEAN IN GODS EYES, BUT IF I AM NO
LONGER HAVING SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE. IVE REPENTED AND BEGGED GOD
FOR MERCY AND HE IS ALWAYS READY TO FORGIVE. THERE IS A SCRIPTURE
IF I RECALL CORRECTLY. . . IS SAYS MURDERERS REVILERS LIARS MEN
WHO LIE WITH MEN DRUNKARDS BLASPHEMERS SO AND SO WILL NOT INHERIT
GODS KINDOM, BUT THAT IS WHAT SOME OF YOU WERE. MEANING GOD CAN
FORGIVE AND IF PEOPLE WANT TO PURSUE CHARGES LET THEM . I KNOW
THAT THE ELDERS WILL NOT FORCE MATTERS TO BE CONFIDENTIAL. IT
IS ONLY TO PROTECT THE INNOCENT LIKE THE WHOLE ORG. YES IT IS
WRONG TO SEXUALLY ABUSE CHILDREN AND SO ON. BUT THEY ARE NOT
A SECT. WHO ARE YOU ALL TO JUDGE?????? ID LIKE TO KNOW. YOU ARE
MERE SINNERS JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.
You are unbaptized and admit to committing fornication and speak
of the benefit of forgiveness and God's mercy, yet you call child
molestation victims liars and revile those who are trying to
help other victims learn how to help themselves? Do you recall
the scripture about removing the rafter in your own eye before
removing the straw from someone else's? How do you develop such
ability to judge the lives of others when you have yet to make
your dedication to Jehovah? You say you know the elders will
not force matter to be confidential yet how do you know that?
Have you read the 1989 letter to all bodies of elders on confidentiality?
Yet you make a judgment call on something you have not even researched.
Who is the judgmental one here? I agree God can even forgive
child molesters, but He will never forgive those who lie about
it or those who allow them to not be reported to the police.
When the pedophile molests another child those who kept quiet
are blood guilty for not doing what was necessary to protect
children.
MY NAME IS MELISSA. MY EMAIL IS DIMPLES_L@HOTMAIL. COM
You wrote,
IM DISCUSTED WITH YOUR JUDGEMENTS. SUPPORT GROUPS ARE OK BUT
NOT TO TARGET CERTAIN PEOPLE. THAT IS PARTIALISM. HOW DO YOU
EXPECT TO HELP SOME ONE WHEN YOUR HURTING PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO
KNOW THE TRUTH??? IM NOT SAYING ITS IMPOSSIBLE FOR TRAGEDIES
LIKE THIS BUT GOD WILL PUT AN END TO IT AND ITIS IMPOSSIBLE FOR
GOD TO LIE
I am disgusted with your immature judgments without reviewing
the evidence. Support groups do just that, do you know how many
support groups there are for Catholics, Mormons and other religious
groups? Hundreds. Again educate yourself before you make insipid
comments that make you appear to be the judgmental one. If the
truth hurts you, then maybe you are believing a lie. How do you
know this is not God's way to put an end to this? Does not God
motivate faithful men to stand up for what is right? I have helped
hundreds of people who are hurting from the affects child molestation
has had on their lives, yet you say I hurt you for telling the
truth. If I am telling a lie then why am I not disfellowshipped?
Why doesn't the society sue me for slander? Why am I still a
brother? When you find the answers to these questions you will
be in a far better position to decide whether my website hurts
you are helps you to find the truth about how wt policy hurts
children. Not only will you be better informed but you might
be better able to protect your child from being molested. Please
think about that and try to educate yourself on this, someday
it might be very important. I am including below the three basic
requirements that must be adjusted with regard to wt policy.
Read them and see if you agree. Also keep in mid any time you
post in ALL CAPS it means you are screaming. I do not believe
that was your intention. Think about what I have written, educate
yourself on this matter, then make an better decision on which
side you want to come down on this issue.
1. Report matter to the police first.
What does the Watchtower say? Note the 97 WT on direction for
reporting what is bad:
w97 8/15 26-30 Why Report What Is Bad? Appreciating the Value
of Reproof Among Jehovah's people, however, there is a different
attitude toward reproof. Godly men and women deeply appreciate
the arrangement Jehovah has made to help erring ones inside the
Christian congregation. They recognize such discipline as an
expression of his loving-kindness. -Hebrews 12:6-11.
What is that arrangement? Is it going to the police when a crime
is committed?
In our day too, Jehovah's servants can become involved in serious
wrongdoing, even those who have been faithful for many years.
Recognizing that the elders can assist, most take the initiative
to approach them for help. (James 5:13-16) But sometimes a wrongdoer
may try to cover up his sin, as did King David. What should we
do if we come to know about serious wrongdoing in the congregation?
Whose Responsibility Is It?
When elders learn about serious wrongdoing, they approach the
individual involved to give needed help and correction. It is
the elders' responsibility to judge such ones inside the Christian
congregation. Keeping a close watch on its spiritual condition,
they assist and admonish anyone who is taking an unwise or wrong
step. -1 Corinthians 5:12, 13; 2 Timothy 4:2; 1 Peter 5:1, 2.
So does this just apply to slander of moral crimes committed
by adults that break bible law? Notice the scripture used to
define wrongdoing.
But what if you are not an elder and you come to know about
some serious wrongdoing on the part of another Christian? Guidelines
are found in the Law that Jehovah gave to the nation of Israel.
The Law stated that if a person was a witness to apostate acts,
sedition, murder, or certain other serious crimes, it was his
responsibility to report it and to testify to what he knew. Leviticus
5:1 states: "Now in case a soul sins in that he has heard
public cursing and he is a witness or he has seen it or has come
to know of it, if he does not report it, then he must answer
for his error. "-Compare Deuteronomy 13:6-8; Esther 6:2;
Proverbs 29:24.
Though not under the Mosaic Law, Christians today can be guided
by the principles behind it. (Psalm 19:7, 8) So if you learn
about the serious wrongdoing of a fellow Christian, what should
you do?
Where are we given the right here to call the police? Not one
word offered. So who do you go to? See below.
Handling the Matter First of all, it is important that there
is valid reason to believe that serious wrongdoing has really
occurred. "Do not become a witness against your fellowman
without grounds," stated the wise man. "Then you would
have to be foolish with your lips. "-Proverbs 24:28.
You may decide to go directly to the elders. It is not wrong
to do so. Usually, however, the most loving course is to approach
the person involved. Perhaps the facts are not as they appear
to be. Or perhaps the situation is already being handled by the
elders. Calmly discuss the matter with the person. If there remains
reason to believe that a serious wrong has been committed, encourage
him or her to approach the elders for help, and explain the wisdom
of doing so. Do not talk to others about the matter, for that
would be gossip. If the person does not report to the elders
within a reasonable period of time, then you should. One or two
elders will then discuss the matter with the accused. The elders
need to "search and investigate and inquire thoroughly" to
see if wrong has been done. If it has, they will handle the case
according to Scriptural guidelines. -Deuteronomy 13:12-14.
Who investigates the crime first? THE ELDERS! Yet still no mention
of going to the police. Then if there are only one witness what
do you have to do? Report it to police then? See Below.
At least two witnesses are required to establish a charge of
wrongdoing. (John 8:17; Hebrews 10:28) If the person denies the
charge and your testimony is the only one, the matter will be
left in Jehovah's hands. (1 Timothy 5:19, 24, 25) This is done
in the knowledge that all things are "openly exposed" to
Jehovah and that if the person is guilty, eventually his sins
will "catch up" with him. -Hebrews 4:13; Numbers 32:23.
There you have it the basis of discouraging victims to go to
the police. They are clearly instructed to leave it in Jehovah's
hands. That means do nothing. Can you warn any other parents
whose children may be in harms way? See Below.
But suppose the person does deny the charge and you are the
only witness against him. Could you now be open to a countercharge
of slander? No, not unless you have gossiped to those not involved
in the matter. It is not slanderous to report conditions affecting
a congregation to those having authority and responsibility to
oversee and correct matters. It is, in fact, in line with our
desire always to do what is correct and loyal. -Compare Luke 1:74,
75.
So if you gossip and tell others about your child being molested
you could be charged with slander and expelled from the congregation.
What is the reason why? See Below.
Maintaining Holiness in the Congregation One reason for reporting
wrongdoing is that it works to preserve the cleanness of the
congregation. Jehovah is a clean God, a holy God. He requires
all those who worship him to be spiritually and morally clean.
His inspired Word admonishes: "As obedient children, quit
being fashioned according to the desires you formerly had in
your ignorance, but, in accord with the Holy One who called you,
do you also become holy yourselves in all your conduct, because
it is written: 'You must be holy, because I am holy. '" (1
Peter 1:14-16) Individuals who practice uncleanness or wrongdoing
can bring defilement and Jehovah's disfavor upon an entire congregation
unless action is taken to correct or remove them. -Compare Joshua,
chapter 7.
The congregation does their own dirty laundry and keeps outsiders
uninformed. This is the basis of how the congregation operates.
Jehovah's Witnesses are NOT free to go to the police. They are
required to OBEY the direction of the elders. If they do not
they are disfellowshipped. Thus Watchtower Policy requires a
child molestation victim to go to the ELDERS FIRST and this is
the error of WT policy.
2. A pedophile should never hold a position of responsibility
within the congregation.
The 1-1-97 Watchtower seemed to indicate this would be the policy
for Jehovah's Witnesses, yet in just three short months a letter
was sent (along with more to follow) to Bodies of Elders that
changed that policy. The 97 letter stated:
"It may be possible that some who were guilty of child
molestation were or are now serving as elders, ministerial servants,
or regular or special pioneers. Others may have been guilty of
child molestation before they were baptized. The bodies of elders
should not query individuals. "
This statement made provision for pedophile to continue to serve.
That was further collaborated by the 6-1-01 letter to Bodies
of Elders in England which states:
"There is one exception to the above direction: The elders
may have written to the branch office and given full details
about a former child abuser who is currently serving as an elder
or ministerial servant. In such a case, if the branch office
has decided that he can be appointed or continue serving in a
position of trust because the sin occurred many years ago and
because he has lived an exemplary life since then, his name should
not appear on the List, nor is it necessary to pass on information
about the brother's past sin if he moves to another congregation
unless contrary instructions have been given by the branch. "
Child Molesters are clearly given positions of responsibility
within the congregation at the direction of WT Policy. Time passing
should be no factor for a pedophile.
3. Child molesters should never be allowed to participate in
the door to door ministry.
Is this WT policy? Please note the 1-1-97 Watchtower which initially
established molester policy. What would a child molester who
is newly released from prison be required to do to show his repentance?
See Below.
w97 1/1 29 Let Us Abhor What Is Wicked "Depending on the
law of the land where he lives, the molester may well have to
serve a prison term or face other sanctions from the State. 'If
he seems to be repentant, he will be encouraged to make spiritual
progress, share in the field service. . "
A newly released child molester is required by WT Policy to
call at the homes of the unknowing public. THAT IS WT POLICY!
This information shows without doubt something is terribly wrong
in this matter. This "Policy" presents a danger to
children within the organization as well as those who are met
in the door to door work. If the Governing Body really wishes
to be a "faithful slave" they should move at ONCE to
correct this mistake and protect the children.
silentlambs
Remote User:
Date:
05 Feb. 2002
Time:
04:48:19
Comments:
My being a rejected mom and grandma, because I do not follow
this 'fellowship',I am extremely happy to see and support
this site. I am not sure exactly what my involvement
will be, however,
I will continue to pass the info along, and visit often.
Thank you, JEB
Remote User:
Date:
06 Feb. 2002
Time:
04:20:59
Comments:
Interesting web site. I think ALL religious organizations,
as well as other non-religious organizations have to
deal with the
problem of child molestation. But why have you singled
out just the Jehovah's Witnesses? Many other faith-based
groups
are struggling
with issues just as serious. A search of the internet
for links to your site reveals that MOST OF THEM are from sites
opposed
to Jehovah's Witnesses beliefs in general. Surely that
tells us something. You are more concerned with JW-bashing
than
protecting children! Don't get me wrong, I hate child molesters
as much
as anyone else, including you, but if you wanted to you
could work alongside the JW's to fight the problem, instead
of
attacking their church.
Remote User:
Date:
08 Feb. 2002
Time:
12:32:26
Comments:
I too was a victim. . . but after all these years am still afraid
to speak out . Debbie freeinspirit@hotmail. com
Remote User:
Date:
08 Feb. 2002
Time:
17:09:24
Comments:
I have read almost all of the "victims" entries. They
are all (painfully) the same. All of them have the same general
idea of an elder or member of the JWs molesting a child in the
congregation. I am disgusted. On a happier note. I love this
web-site. we (as victims of molesters) now have a voice. Thank
you!
Remote User:
Date:
08 Feb. 2002
Time:
19:34:16
Comments:
Thank you
Remote User:
Date:
08 Feb. 2002
Time:
22:07:27
Comments:
I recently left the JW. I finally have peace of mine I always
ask God why never felt any spirit of freedom,always felt very
stress,my time in there ,y so hypocrisy a total fornicator and
rapist told me about the truth at the gym ,that I was attending
at that time in the year 1994,I was very spiritual at the time
,well this young man,got me into the THRUTH. Little by little
I lost my place with GOD y CRY for help to GOD and believe or
not thru dreams ,He show me who this man was ,let me tell you
,if you seek GOD with all your heart ,you will see and you will
find Him. to make it short ,my conscience was killing me ,I pray
and call the elders of my congregation ,they come ,toll them
everything ,this man also rape ,before me another two girls,
and a girl from the world not a WJ. well they cover everything
,didn't believe me ,I have to make a police report to keep him
out of my life,let me tell you he keep calling me after he got
married with obscene call . I call the elders to let them know
. my husband ,forgot to tell you I got married and my husband
also spoke to this particular elder from spanish congregation
his name O. Serrano and toll him everything. What do you thing
happens. . . . ?>simply nothing. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . I thank the Almighty
now I'm free,totally freeee y see the light ,I see the JESUS that
I always knew and one more time I felt the presence of the Holy
Spirit . . THANK YOU LORD GOD,THANK YOU LORD JESUS PLESE KEEP
ME FROM EVEL AND SHOW ME THE WAY THAT I SHOULD GO THANK YOU RAYMOND
FRANZ. . . MAY MY GOD KEEP YOU
SEEK AND YOU WILL FIND,NOCK AND IT
WILL BE OPEN
Remote User:
Date:
08 Feb. 2002
Time:
22:12:19
Comments:
I recently left the JW. I finally have peace of mine I always
ask God why never felt any spirit of freedom,always felt very
stress,my time in there ,y so hypocrisy a total fornicator and
rapist toll me about the truth at the gym ,that I was attending
at that time in the year 1994,I was very spiritual at the time
,well this young man,got me into the THRUTH. Little by little
I lost my place with GOD y CRY for help to GOD and believe or
not thru dreams ,He show me who this man was ,let me tell you
,if you seek GOD with all your heart ,you will see and you will
find Him. to make it short ,my conscience was killing me ,I pray
and call the elders of my congregation ,they come ,toll them
everything ,this man also rape ,before me another two girls,
and a girl from the world not a WJ. well they cover everything
,didn't believe me ,I have to make a police report to keep him
out of my life,let me tell you he keep calling me after he got
married with obscene call . I call the elders to let them know
. my husband ,forgot to tell you I got married and my husband
also spoke to this particular elder from spanish congregation
his name O. Serrano and toll him everything. What do you thing
happens. . . . ?>simply nothing. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . I thank the Almighty
now I'm free,totally freeee y see the light ,I see the JESUS that
I always knew and one more time I felt the presence of the Holy
Spirit . . THANK YOU LORD GOD,THANK YOU LORD JESUS PLESE KEEP
ME FROM EVEL AND SHOW ME THE WAY THAT I SHOULD GO THANK YOU RAYMOND
FRANZ. . . MAY MY GOD KEEP YOU
SEEK AND YOU WILL FIND,NOCK AND IT WILL BE OPEN
SAN FERNANDO VALLEY
GAKRAM@ADELPHIA. NET
Remote User:
Date:
09 Feb. 2002
Time:
13:22:32
Comments:
I had no idea the problem was worldwide. They have ruined my
son's life. Keep up the good work. Don't stop until they
are exposed. Margaret Benson, Bolton, England. mbenson50@tinyworld. co. uk
Remote User:
Date: 09 Feb. 2002
Time:
20:54:23
Comments:
If you examine carefully what David said: "Do I not hate
those who are intensely hating you, O Jehovah, and do I not feel
a loathing for those revolting against you? With a complete hatred
I do hate them. They have become to me real enemies. " (Psalm
139:21, 22 Distorted JW translation) It is clearly evident that
he is personally appealing to God for consideration on, what
he thought, the good deeds. Remember, before he was making this
prayer, he committed a terrible crime against humanity of killing
a man in order to steal his wife. So, God punished him. Psalm
139:21, 22 is just David's personal plea to appease God. Psalm
139:21, 22 should not be considered as holy, guiding faith, basis
for shunning practices or hatred against non-JW or what they
called infidels. JW is abusing Psalm 139:21, 22 in order to justify
their crimes against humanity.
Remote User:
Date:
11 Feb. 2002
Time:
06:52:10
Comments:
brainwashed people will never recognize the truth behind the
truth. loyal to the ideology that something which must
not be cant be they defend the acting of the WTS as being
heroes.
in
spite of this more and more recognize by internet the
history shaping and fact hiding WTS, a society which is far away
from god
like Pluto from the son. cold, icy and always claiming
for their
ideology. I guess that they will have a righteous trial
whenever god will
come to judge the earth
Remote User:
Date:
11 Feb. 2002
Time:
06:56:20
Comments:
ya know~ I was raised a witness, and "mellissa" seems
to be misdirected! At 17, you say "your mom is a witness". . . ?
and you are not baptized. . ?. . even if your not baptized. . . . you
would still refer to yourself as "one" unless- you
either weren't at all involved with JW's (in which case you wouldn't
be here in the first place) or you are someone "pretending" to
be a 17year old child of a witness in an attempt to make a stamen
of some kind. Although. . your inability to spell words correctly
does indicate that you are a female JW. It seems that the amount
of anger you have is a bit much for the age you say, which makes
me wonder if you are the wife or daughter of one of those "hands
on" kinda brothers. ?hmm? I want to ask you this also. . . Why
the curiosity with this JW web site for individuals whom have
suffered in silence as victims of a federal crime? Is it ok (in
your 17 yr old opinion) with Jah to commit federal crimes? Against
children? How do you think he feels about you bashing his children
who are in pain and using this space to heal? What is it that
gives you the idea that it is okay to lie in the name of God,
as you seem to be in defense of, by giving a false email address?
What exactly is your heart condition right now? It sounds to
me like you need to spend a bit more time searching the web for
sites where you yourself can find a site to manage your own issues
with anger, and people who want life to be unscarred for children.
Maybe if you knew this kind of protection in your "real" life,
you would be able to appreciate this. Oh, and also "Mellissa". . . . My
mom is also still a JW, and I discovered that I too had a lot
of anger in my life. I discovered that the anger I had was due
to my mom not protecting me from my abuser. I was more angry
at her than anyone else! But as a JW mom. . . she was too busy planning
for her "talk", or "going over sundays meeting".
Being "prepared" was the solution for her life in a
perfect world, all the while not realizing the goings on in the
world we actually live in! Hello! Have you ever heard the phrase "you
better check yourself before you wreck yourself"?
As If! y2kym
Remote User:
Date:
11 Feb. 2002
Time:
18:45:23
Comments:
Wonderful and so very needed. . . I am grateful that you had
the courage to honor this process, for the truth and
give the voice
to others who so desperately needed it. . . . . . As i have
heard before but, it is seen again here, as I have a tear
of joy
in my eyes that this is here, there is not enough darkness
in all
the world to put out the light of one small candle and
because of your light others will find their small light
and we will
all shine on growing ever stronger in our presence ,
that once was darkness. . . the voice will become stronger and
the
truth
will be known. . Becky C thank you
Remote User:
Date:
11 Feb. 2002
Time:
19:36:35
Comments:
I AM COMMENTING IN CAPITOLS TO THE FOLLOWING EMAIL POSTED AT:
REMOTE USER: DATE 30 JAN 2002 TIME: 16:37:11 IN THE GUESTBOOK.
Your statement in #1 goes without saying. First of all, who is
going to stop anybody from calling the police about anything
UNFORNUNATELY MANY TIMES ITS THE PERSON WHOSE DOING THE ABUSING.
One, (JW or not), can do whatever one wants whenever they want. LOOK
IF YOUR A CHILD AND YOU WANT TO CALL THE POLICE CAUSE YOUR PARENTS
WONT OR TELL THE ADULT YOU NEED HELP AND YOU FIND OUT THE ELDERS,
PARENTS, OR THE ADULTS DONT WANT TO GET INVOLVED. . . HELLO. If my
child was being molested by a "brother" or anybody
else for that matter, I would call the police and notify the
elders, not necessarily in that order. WHAT IF YOUR TOLD YOUR
NOT ALLOWED TO AND IF YOU DO YOUR GOING TO BE PUNISHED EVEN MORE. . HUH. . WHAT
THEN. You make it sound like JWs are being prevented from calling
the police when that is an UNTRUE statement. . . WRONG IT DOES HAPPEN
AND UNLESS YOU'VE BEEN IN THAT SITUATION YOU REALLY DONT KNOW.
I'VE BEEN AND I WASNT ALLOWED TO CALL. . WELL. . UNLESS I WANTED
TO GET ABUSED AGAIN, OR TOLD YOU WILL BE THE ONE IN TROUBLE BY
THE ELDERS BECAUSE ITS THEIR JOB TO TAKE CARE OF THIS AND WHEN
NOTHING IS DONE THEY SAY "JUST WAIT ON JEHOVAH. " I
SAID THAT HOW MANY TIMES WHILE I WAS BEING ABUSED. COULD JEHOVAH
BE ANSWERING THE MANY PRAYERS NOW. HMMM. Who would prevent them?
I don't have elders shackled to me to make sure that I do or
don't do whatever, nobody else does either. I'M GLAD YOU HAVE
HAD THAT EXPERIENCE. I AND MANY OTHERS DIDNT. I would imagine
that there are passive, little "doormat" women in every
organization, religious or otherwise, who can't make a responsible
decision on their own about how to handle their child being molested
by a husband or somebody else. ARE YOU A STUPID MORON. YOU IMAGINE!
WHO ARE YOU TO EVEN SUGGES THAT. OK WHAT ABOUT THE WIFE WHO IS
ALSO BEING ABUSED BY THE HUSBAND AND HAS THREATENED HER? HUH?
WHAT IF THAT "PASSIVE LITTLE DORMAT" IS AN ELDERS WIFE?
WHAT IF SHE'S BEING ABUSED ALSO? You've got women who allow it
to happen and they know about it and they don't report it SOUNDS
LIKE YOUR TALKING FROM EXPERIENCE. --stupid doormat women. IS
THAT ANGER I READ? who live in fear and are afraid to take the
bull by the horns for whatever reason, real or imagined. HOW
CAN YOU BE SO JUDGEMENTAL? MAYBE YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE SINCE
YOUR PUTTING OUT THESE TYPES OF COMMENTS. HMMM. . . FEAR OF MORE
ABUSE MAYBE. and go to the elders for spiritual help in coping
with the atrocity. OK, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO SOMEONE WHO HAS
COME TO YOU SAYING THEY HAVE TRIED GOING TO THE ELDERS AND THEY
WERE TOLD TO NOT GO TO THE POLICE. ARE YOU GOING TO JUDGE THEM
FOR DOING WHAT THEY CAN TO GET HELP; THE ONLY WAY THEY KNOW HOW
AND NOTHING IS BEING DONE. Elders are not police. REALLY, WELL
TELL THAT TO THE MANY MANY PEOPLE WHO WROTE IN THOSE TYPES OF
STORES, OR ARE ALL THOSE MANY MANY PEOPLE LYING. ARE THEY STUPID
DOORMAT PEOPLE THEN? Victims and their parents are free to seek
help from police or therapists. WRONG, MANY ARE TOLD NTO TO GO
TO ANY THERAPIST AND IF YOU DO. DO NOT SPEAK ABOUT THE ELDERS,
ORGANIZATION OR ABOUT ANYTHING BAD OR NEGATIVE AND IF THEY DO
THEY HAVE REPERCUSSIONS. THAT YOU ARE BRINGING REPROACH ON GOD,
ORGANZIATION,ELDERS AND THE PERSON WHO ABUSED YOU. IT DOESNT
MATTER THAT YOU PUT UP WITH YEARS OF FEAR, ANGER, BEING TOLD
WE SHOULD HAVE STOPPED IT, OR THINKING JEHOVAH DOESNT LOVE YOU.
HOW CAN YOU NOT FEEL THAT WAY WHEN IT IS DRAINED INTO YOU ALL
THE TIME. and should not blame the church if they choose not
to do so. What MORON would not report abuse of THEIR CHILD to
the police THE MORON WHOSE ABUSING THEIR CHILD. If anyone thinks
that the ELDERS are police, they are wrong, they are spiritual
counselors and they have many other spiritual responsibilities
as well!YOUR RIGHT THEIR HUMAN AND IMPERFECT JUST LIKE EVERYONE
ELSES. THEY DO ALOT FOR THE CONGREGATION AND MAKE MANY SACRIFICES.
HOW CAN THEY BE SPIRITUAL COUNSELORS WHEN THEY ARE AIDING AND
LETTING THE PERPETRATOR LIVE THEIR LIFE AND THE ABUSED CHILD/CHILDREN
STOP LIVING THEIRS. HOW CAN ANYONE ON THE COMMITTEE BE SPIRITUAL
COUNSELORS WHEN THEY KNOW OF A SITUATION AND DONT GET INVOLVED.
I WILL NOT ACCEPT THE EXCUSE THAT THE ELDER(S) WERENT ON THAT
JUDICIAL COMMITTEE OR ON THE GROUP THAT MAY BE LOOKING INTO THIS
MATTER. Parents are encouraged to do whatever they need to do
to protect their child. YES, AND WITH PARENTS ITS NOT AN OPTION
OF WHETHER TO PROTECT OR NOT. THEY ARE THE CAREGIVERS AND ITS
THIER RESPONSIBILITY TO SEE THAT THEIR CHILD IS TAKEN CARE OF
AND IS SAFE. THE CHILD IS NOT BEING PROTECTED WHEN THE PARENTS
ARE BEING ENCOURAGED TO LET THE MATTER REST BECAUSE THE ELDERS
WILL HANDLE IT. THE POOR CHILD IN THE MEANTIME IS STILL GETTING
REPEATEDLY ABUSED. IS THAT BEING PROTECTIVE? They haven't committed
a sin by turning in a Jehovah's Witness to the authorities. OH,
REALLY, WHAT ABOUT ALL THOSE WHOSE BEEN COUNSELED FOR BRINGING
IT ALL UP. WHAT ABOUT SOME OF THOSE LETTERS FROM THE WATCHTOWER
SOCIETY STATING THAT THEY DONT HAVE TO. KEEPING IT QUIET SO THAT
SO & SO WONT GET HURT BUT THE CHILD IS FOREVER SCARRED. I
KNOW THERE ARE MANY MANY ELDERS, MINISTERIAL SERVANTS, PEOPLE
AT THE SOCIETY ARE VERY GOOD PEOPLE AND WOULDNT PUT UP WITH THIS.
FOR YOU TO MAKE THE COMMENT THAT HAVE LIKE "PASSIVE LITTLE
DOORMAT. " I DO HOPE YOU ARE NOT AN ELDER BECAUSE THIS IS
IMMATURE THINKING. YOU ARE THE MORON FOR BEING JUDGEMENTAL. I
CANT HELP BUT WONDER WHAT IS IT THAT YOUR ANGRY ABOUT. MAYBE
YOUR SOMEONE WHOSE HANDLED THESE CASES AND THIS HAS BEEN YOUR
EXPERIENCE. IF THATS THE CASE THEN USE DISCERNMENT AND LET PEOPLE
KNOW OF YOUR EXPERIENCE, STRENGTH AND HOPE. THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU'VE
DONE HERE. I'VE HAD THE BAD EXPERIENCES AND READING THIS HAS ANGERED
ME, AND AS I'M READING THIS I'M THINKING MAYBE YOUR ONE OF THE
SECRET SINNERS. HIDING SOMETHING OR WAS VICTIM. OH, I CANT DO
THAT BECAUSE THEN I WOULD BE JUDGING YOU AND THATS NOT SHOWING
YOU THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT. COULD YOU TRY TO SHOW SOME UNDERSTANDING
FOR THE ONE BEING HURT.
#2 is obvious. Yes, no practicing pedophile, homosexual, murderer,
liar, spouse abuser, drunk, adulterer, etc. should be allowed
privileges in a religious organization. THEN WHAT ABOUT THE ELDERS
WHO LET THESE TYPES OF PEOPLE HAVE PRIVILEDGES. That should be
the case in ALL religions who uphold God's word! But is it? I
doubt it. I would imagine that ALL religions have secret sinners
of this sort in positions of responsibility--probably up to and
including the "reverend". Is it right--NO! Does it
happen? Probably. Will there ever be a way, in this system of
things, to prevent it from happening--NO!!! WRONG!! THERE CAN
BE PREVENTION TO KEEP IT FROM HAPPENING AS MUCH. GOD'S KINGDOM
IS THE ANSWER FOR ALOT OF THINGS. WHAT IF THIS IS GOD'S WAY OF
CLEANING HOUSE. WHAT IF THIS IS GOD'S WAY OF PREVENTING THIS
AND SHOWING A BETTER WAY TO HELP THE INNOCENT ONES. GOD CARES
FOR THE CHILDREN AND GOD USES THEM IN MANY EXAMPLES. JUST CONSIDER "WHAT
IF. " Only God's kingdom can do away with all of the imperfections
of this system of things. WERE NOT TALKING ABOUT DOING AWAY WITH
THIS, HOWEVER WE ARE TALKING RIGHT NOW ABOUT HOW TO HELP. WERE
NOT TALKING ABOUT DOING AWAY WITH THIS, MAKE THINGS BETTER NOW. Think
about it, what were God's chosen people doing, while Moses was
on the mountain taking down the commandments from God? WHAT!
WHAT HAS THAT GOT TO DO WITH CHILDREN BEING HURT LIKE THEY ARE.
I LOOKED THAT UP AND CANNOT FIND WHERE CHILDREN BEING ABUSED
IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT RUINS THEIR LIFE. WE ARE NOT IN MOSES DAY. Look
it up in the Bible if you don't know. If God's chosen people
had serious problems when they reported directly to Jehovah,
what makes you think that JWs or any other religion would not
have problems. OK, YOU WANT TO STRETCH THIS WAY OUT OF PROPORTION
YOU GO AHEAD. CHILDREN ARE A GIFT AN INHERITANCE. YES JW'S ARE
NOT THE ONLY RELIGION HAVING THIS DELIMMA AND JUST LIKE OTHER
RELIGIONS ITS BEING BROUGHT TO PEOPLES ATTENTION. It's called
living in the last days, 2 Tim 3:1-5. It's an imperfect world
and there's no way to fix everything without God's kingdom, especially
when you have perverts like Satan running around like a lion
seeking to devour someone. THIS IS AN IMPERFECT WORLD AND WHILE
WE ARE HERE WE CAN DO WHAT WE CAN TO SAFEGUARD GOD'S GIFTS TO
US. . . THE CHILDREN. I HOPE THAT YOU CAN START TO TRY TO SEE IT
FROM SOMEONES SIDE WHOSE HAD THESE THINGS HAPPEN. THERE ARE MANY
EXPERIENCES ON THE SITE THAT TELL YOU THEIR SIDE. IS IT WRONG
FOR THEM TO GET HELP? NO! THEY ARE LIVING EXAMPLES THAT THEY
ARE TRYING TO DO WHAT THE ELDERS TELL THEM TO DO EVEN WHEN THEY
GET HURT, SHUNNED AND NO MATTER WHAT SEEMS TO HAPPEN TO THEM
THEY STILL LOVE JEHOVAH. MANY ARE WAITING FOR GOD TO TAKE CARE
OF THIS. THE TIME HAS COME TO WHERE THEY GET ACKNOWLEDGED FOR
BEING STRONG WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN PUT IN THAT SITUATION.
Do JW elders ever screw up? Of course, once in a while, in a
small minority cases, elders screw up. Who ever said elders are
perfect all the time. You were by some of your comments. They
are no more perfect that you are, Bill. BILL IS TRYING TO HELP
AND ITS SAD THAT YOU CANNOT SEE THAT. BILL CAN SLEEP AT NIGHT.
BILL IS MORE OF A WITNESS FOR DOING WHAT IS RIGHT AND YOUR PUTTING
HIM DOWN FOR THAT. FROM WHAT I'VE READ ALL HE'S DONE WAS SHOW
FACTS ON THINGS. Obviously, they are striving to set a good example
but are they all-knowing, making right decisions at all times?
Not possible. THEY ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE THEY ARE ABOVE THE
REST OF US AND ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FLOCK, SO YES, THEY NEED
TO BE HELD MORE RESPONSIBLE. THEY ARE SUPPOSE TO BE EXAMPLES.
DONT GET ME WRONG THERE ARE MANY WHO ARE GREAT EXAMPLES. ITS
SAD THAT IT JUST TAKES A FEW TO RUIN THE REPUTATION OF MANY.
I don't know anybody who can claim that, not even you, Bill.
I'm sure you've made some bad decisions in your life that in
hindsight you regret. We all have. BILL ISNT SAYING HE'S PERFECT.
HE'S WAS GIVEN CHOICES AND HE CHOSE TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND
FOR THAT HE'S GOTTEN PUNISHED. I PRAY THAT HE GETS BLESSED IN
MANY WAYS BECAUSE OF THE ONES HE'S HELPED. I PRAY FOR YOU. I
PRAY THAT THIS MAY NEVER HAPPEN TO YOU OR ANYONE YOU KNOW BECAUSE
IF YOU HAVENT BEEN IN THESE TYPES OF SITUATIONS YOU REALLY DONT
KNOW. RIGHT NOW YOUR SPEAKING OUT OF IGNORANCE, OR ARE YOU? FROM
WHAT I'VE READ THERE IS ANGER. MAYBE SOMETHINGS HAPPENED TO YOU
AND YOUR BEING TRIGGERED AND THIS IS THE ONLY WAY YOU KNOW HOW
TO REPOND. mAYBE YOU'VE BEEN AN ELDER WHOSE BEEN APPROACHED AND
WAS TOLD CERTAIN THINGS TO DO. WHATEVER IT MAY BE WITH YOU PLEASE
HAVE SOME COMPASSION FOR THE LITTLE GUY.
You state that no molesters should be allowed to go in the door
to door ministry. To my knowledge, privileges such as going door-to-door,
etc. , would be removed from such ones. All of the "body
of elder" letters you posted on your site attest to this
fact. SOME LETTERS ATTEST TO KEEPING SILENT AN I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE
OF PEOPLE GOING TO DOOR-TO-DOOR, HAVING PRIVILEDGES, ETC. I'M
GLAD TO KNOW THAT FROM YOUR KNOWLEDGE ITS BEING DONE THAT WAY.
GOOD. WHAT ABOUT OTHER PEOPLES KNOWLEDGE?
Not only that, but as everyone knows, JWs go door to door with
at least one other person, nobody goes to the door alone. REALLY!
DO YOU GO OUT EVERYDAY? ALL DAY LONG? YOU REALLY DONT KNOW DO
YOU? PEOPLE DO GO OUT ALONE. DO YOU LIKE MAKING STUFF UP? And
how is somebody going to molest a child on a doorstep anyway?
ARE YOU THAT IGNORANT? NO, MAYBE JUST NIEVE. SOME PERPETRATORS
TAKE THEIR TIMES TO PLAN THESE THINGS. WHAT IF A BIBLE STUDY
IS STARTED AND THAT PERSON GOES THERE EVERY WEEK GETTING TO KNOW
THE FAMILY AS WELL AS STUDING THE BIBLE. MOST GAIN THE CHILDS
TRUST IN SOME WAY FIRST. A STRANGER CAN PUT THE FEAR OF GOD INTO
A CHILD SO YES, THINGS LIKE THAT CAN HAPPEN.
As far as the elders in a religious organization reporting something
told to them in confidence, I believe the Supreme Court ruled
on this. WHAT ABOUT THE MORAL SPIRITUAL SUPREME COURT? YOUR TALKING
THIRD PARTY. WHAT ABOUT THE FIRST OR SECOND PARTY? WHAT ABOUT
THE PROTECTING THE INNOCENT CHILD? I COULD BE WRONG BUT HASNT
THERE ALSO BEEN CASES WHEN IT COMES TO CHILDREN BEING HURT LIKE
THAT THEY NEED TO REPORT IT. I'M TALKING ANY RELIGION. WHAT RULING
IS THIS? WHERE DID THAT RULING COME FROM? ANYBODY CAN WRITE SOMETHING
DOWN. WHAT SUPREME COURT? WHAT CITY, STATE BECUASE EACH STATE
IS DIFFERENT. THE MERE FACT THAT ONE INDIVIDUAL KNOWS THAT A
THIRD PARTY IS OR COULD BE DANGEROUS TO OTHERS DOES NOT MAKE
THE INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBLE FOR CONTROLLING THE THE THIRD PARTY
IS OR COULD BE DANGEROUS TO OTHERS DOES NOT MAKE THAT INDIVIDUALLY
controlling the third party," the Supreme Judicial Court
ruled. "There is no duty to announce to people that 'John
Brown' is a child abuser. " If the court had ruled otherwise,
it "would basically discourage people from going to their
ministers and getting help. " If people could not count on
confidentiality when they go and confess to a Catholic priest,
there's going be quite a chilling effect on religion. HM. THEN
WHY WOULD IT BE PUBLIC RECORD WHEN A CHILD ABUSER MOVES INTO
AN AREA AND THE AUTHORITIES GO DOOR-TO-DOOR TO LET PEOPLE KNOW.
HELLO, THERE IS A CHILLING EFFECT ON RELIGION OR YOU WOULDNT
BE HEARING ABOUT IT MUCH MORE NOW THAN BEFORE.
ALL victims need help,REALLY, EVEN THE ONES YOU CALL "PASSIVE. . . DOORMAT,
ETC? Bill, not that you will ever be able to do that all by yourself.
wHY SHOULD HE WHEN HE HAS PEOPLE WHO WANT TO HELP HIM. NEVER
GOT THE IMPRESSION BILL WAS WANTING TO DO THAT, OR IS THAT WHAT
YOU WANT PEOPLE TO THINK. Unfortunately, you come across as having
a vendetta against JWs, instead of coming across as wanting to
help children. OH. YOUR COMING OFF AS REALLY CLOSED MINDED. BILL
HAS HELPED SO MANY PEOPLE AND ITS SAD THAT YOU DONT SEE THAT.
THAT WILL BE ANOTHER THING I WILL PRAY FOR YOU. THERE ISNT VENDETTAS.
I'VE NOT HEARD HIM PUT DOWN THE ORGANIZATION. I'VE HEARD HIS
FRUSTRATION AND WANTING POLICIES TO CHANGE. HE'S BEEN SAD THAT
CHILDREN HAVE BEEN HURT. HE HAS COURAGE TO LOOK AT THIS IN A
BROADER SCOPE. i'VE BEEN GOING TO MEETINGS FOR QUITE SOME TIME
AND I'VE SEEN ELDERS LETTERS AND THE ONES THATS BEEN POSTED ARE
AMAZINGLY HAVE THE SAME LOGO, ARTWORK, SIGNATURE, ETC. I LET
THE FACTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. WHEN THINGS HAVE BEEN POSTED
OR SENT TO THE WTBT SOCIEITY THERE HAS BEEN AN AREA TO WHERE
ITS BEEN CERTIFIED AS BEING TRUE. Wait a minute, that's it, I
get it now--under the guise of wanting to help children, you
really do have a vendetta against Jehovah's Witnesses. ARE YOU. . . NO
WAIT A MINUTE. . . THATS IT. . . IT DOESNT MATTER WHAT SOMEONE TELLS
YOU. YOUR LOOKING AT THIS VERY NARROWMINDED. HOW HAVE YOU HELPED
OR CONTRIBUTED TO HELP. YOU CANT COUNT YOUR FLAPPING YOUR TRAP
ABOUT WHAT YOU ASSUME AS HELPING. And what better forum than
the Internet to exhibit your wares, where this kind of propaganda
thrives. The press loves nothing more than to report something
bad about Jehovah's Witnesses--you obviously used this to your
advantage. THE INTERNET IS A VERY USEFUL WAY TO HELP PEOPLE.
HOW MANY STORIES ARE ON THERE THAT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME A VICTIM
HAS BEEN ABLE TO SAY SOMETHING. MANY TIMES THATS JUST THE FIRST
STEP TOWARD HEALING. HOW IS THIS TO HIS ADVANTAGE. HE'S NOT GETTING
MONEY ON THIS. HE'S NOT BEING PAID FOR THE MASSIVE AMOUNT OF
TIME HE SPENDS EVERY DAY HELPING SOMEONE THAT DIDNT KNOW HOW
TO SPEAK UP BEFORE. HE DOESNT HAVE TO DO THIS, HE WANTS TO HELPE
AND HOW DARE YOU INCINUATE THAT HE'S DOING THIS TO HIS ADVANTAGE.
LOOK AT THE RESOURCES, THE LINKS TO HELP PEOPLE. A VENDETTA?
NO, A VENTDETTA IS WHERE YOU WANT TO HURT SOMEONE IN ONE WAY
OR ANOTHER. YOU SOUND LIKE YOU HAVE A VENDETTA TOWARD HIM, OR
ARE YOU JEALOUS? HE IS USING HIS TIME WISELY AND GETTING A BETTER
MESSAGE ACROSS OF HOW HE WANTS TO HELP NOT HURT. HE'S LETTING
THE FACTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. DO YOU KNOW WHAT ITS LIKE TO
KEEP SOMETHING LIKE THIS BOTTLED UP? BEING ABLE TO PUT SOMETHING
DOWN ANONYMOUSLY THEY GET TO TAKE THAT BIG HEAVY WEIGHT OFF THEIR
CHEST EVEN IF ITS JUST FOR A LITTLE BIT.
Information can be slanted any which way to suit the one delivering
the information. HMMM. . WHAT MESSAGE ARE YOU SLANTING TOWARD?
--the media does it all the time. Smart ones do their research.
THEN I GUESS BILL IS A GENIUS BECAUSE I'VE LOOKED UP INFO AND
DID BACKGROUND CHECKS AND HAVENT FOUND ANYTHING THATS BEEN A
LIE. however, to find out if what they are being told is REALLY
true. BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT AND LOTS OF IT IS REALLY TRUE,
OR WOULD YOU YOU BE CALLING SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN HURT IN THAT
WAY A LIAR. I'M NOT A LIAR. The truth is out there but certainly
not with silentlambs. SAD THAT YOU ARE CALLING MANY PEOPLE LIARS.
WHAT ADVANTAGE WOULD IT BE FOR MOST OF US TO PUT SOMETING DOWN
THAT HURTS THEM DEEPLY INSIDE. US, "SILENTLAMBS" HAVE
LIVED WITH THIS HORROR OUR WHOLE LIFETIME. WHAT ABOUT US? DONT
WE DESERVE TO BE HEARD? DONT WE DESERVE JEHOVAH'S HELP? DONT
WE DESERVE TO HEAL AND MOVE PAST BEING A SURVIVOR? I BELIEVE
THAT JEHOVAH IS HELPING AND NOW THIS IS MAJOR CLEANING TIME.
YOU KNOW WHAT COMES AROUND GOES AROUND. IT'S OUR TIME NOW. ITS
OUR TIME TO BE ACKNOWLEDGED. ITS OUR TIME TO PUT CLOSURE ON THIS
AND LIVE LIFE AND BE HAPPY. JEHOVAH WANTS HIS PEOPLE TO BE HAPPY. This
is a classic example of a disgruntled JW slanting the truth because
he has a bone to pick supposedly about JWs covering up child
molestation. SUPPOSEDLY! NOW THATS SAD THAT YOU DONT SEE WHERE
YOUR THINKING IS WAY OUT THERE. I GUESS THOSE COURT HEARINGS
AND COURT DOCUMENTS DONT MEAN ANYTHING. SO ARE THOSE MANY MANY
GUT WRENCHING STORIES ARE BEING MADE UP? (Isn't a Catholic child
molester just as bad? ANY MOLESTER IS JUST AS BAD. THE INFO THAT
I'VE READ HASNT BEEN SHOWING PREFERENCE. THE LINKS ON THE SITE
ARENT JUST FOR JW'S. ITS FOR ANYONE WHOSE BEEN A VICTIM OR SILENTLAMB.
Of course, we are all VERY familiar with the child molestation
cover up by the Catholic church, among other things. HM. . YOU
SOUND LIKE YOU DIDNT LIKE IT WHEN THE CATHOLICS COVERED UP THINGS
AND ITS DIFFERENT WHEN ITS JW'S. SO DID YOU EMAIL THEM AND REEM
THEM LIKE YOU HAVE THIS WEBSITE. DOUBT IT.
So you had a bad experience, big deal. CAN YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT
WITH YOUR DYSFUNCTIAL THINKING? ONE BAD EXPERIENCE FOR A CHILD
IS ONE TO MANY. FROM WHAT HAS BEEN NOTED ON THIS SITE ITS TOO
MANY INSTANCES OF INJUSTICES TO IGNORE ANYMORE. Injustice prevails.
Is injustice pleasant--no! Does it exist--obviously! Has everyone
experienced it in one form or another--yes! The questions is:
Are you a victim or a survivor? I CONSIDER ANYONE WHOSE WROTE
WHAT THEY HAVE ON THIS SITE A THRIVER BECAUSE THEY SURVIVED. I
consider myself to be a survivor. YES A SURVIVOR THAT STILL HAS
MANY ISSUES. Since I have survived I have chosen not dwell on
the injustice forever. GOOD FOR YOU. ARE YOU DWELLING ON RESENTMENT
AND ANGER THEN? What purpose does that serve--it only feeds self-pity
and wanting pity from others--there's more to life than that.
YES, THERE IS AND THIS SITE HAS SHOWN THAT. Of course, I realize
that there are a few people who thrive on wallowing in self-pity
for the attention is garners. YOU SOUND LIKE ONE OF THEM. For
me personally, I simply look forward to the day when all injustices
will be done away with. GOOD FOR YOU. WHAT CAN YOU DO TO HELP?
YOU SAY YOUR A SURVIVOR SO YOU WOULD HAVE THE EXPERIENCE STRENGTH
AND HOPE FOR SOMEONE ELSE. AFTER READING THIS WOULDNT WANT YOUR
EXPERIENCE BECAUSE I'M SEEING WHERE ITS BITTERED YOU. WHAT ARE
YOU AFRAID OF? I GO WITH THE WINNERS AND BILL AND HIS MANY HELPERS
HAS HELPED DO JUST THAT. I KNOW THAT JEHOVAH WILL BLESS PEOPLE
WHO HELP OTHER PEOPLE. THINK ABOUT IT. WAIT A MINUTE, BEFORE
YOU DO THAT TAKE OFF THOSE HORSE BLINDERS FIRST. BEFORE YOU GIVE
YOUR ASSUMING OPINIONS TAKE THAT RAFTER OUT OF YOUR EYE FIRST
BECAUSE ITS BLINDING YOU. YOU REMEMBER ABOUT THE 100 SHEEP AND
ONE WAS LOST. WHAT IF SOMEONE'S COMMENTS OR ENCOURAGEMENT HELPS
JUST ONE OF THOSE SHEEP THATS BEEN SHUT UP FOR A LONG TIME. LOOK
AT JESUS HE LOOKED VERY HARD TO SAVE THAT ONE LITTLE LOST GUY.
THIS SITE IS HELPING ALOT OF THOSE LITTLE LOST ONES AND WANT
TO BE FOUND AND BE LOVED AS MUCH AS THE OTHER 99. WAS IT BY CHOICE
THAT THE LITTLE ONE WAS LOST. WE DONT KNOW. WE DO KNOW THAT IT
WAS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THAT ONE TO BE FOUND. ITS BEEN TAUGHT
THAT THE ELDERS SHEPARD THE FLOCK, SO WHAT EXAMPLE IS BEING SET
WHEN THAT LITTLE SHEEP IS LEFT THERE AND DIDNT HAVE TO BE. GOD
IS THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN JUDGE SOMEONE'S ACTIONS AND I KNOW THAT
WHEN GOD HEARS MY NAME HE WILL HAVE A BIG SMILE. I WILL PRAY
FOR ALL THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN AFFECTED AS EITHER A VICTIM, SURVIVOR,
THE ONE WHO HURT THE CHILD/ CHILDREN, AND THE ONES THAT WERE
IN A POSITION TO HELP AND FOR WHATEVER REASON DIDNT. I PRAY THAT
PEACE WILL BE THERE. I HOPOE THAT WHOEVER READS THIS AND HAS
FELT LIKE THE PERSON WHO COMMENTED IN BLACK REGULAR PRINT OR
WHOSE FEELINGS/THINKINGS OF THE COMMENTS IN ALL CAPITOLS HAS
HELPED IN ANY WAY. THE DATELINE SHOW IS ABOUT ALL OF THIS AND
WILL HAVE A RIPPLE EFFECT AND IS GOING TO BE WIDESPREAD AND GOOD
WILL COME OUT OF THIS. I DO BELIEVE YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW AND
MAYBE JUSTICE WILL PREVAIL THOSE WHO'VE BEEN HURT. DO NOT BELIEVE
THIS SITE IS JUST PICKING ON JW'S BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY COMMENTS
THATS BEEN FROM NON-JW'S. IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT RIGHT NOW ALOW
OF JW'S ARE AFFECTED. THIS IS A WORLDWIDE DELIMMA AND THIS IS
JUST ONE POSITIVE STEP TO SET SOME WRONGS. CHILDREN ARE SO PRECIOUS
AND THEY NEED TO BE CHILDREN AND BE IN A SAFE ENVIRONMENT. LETS
TREAT OUR GIFTS THE WAY GOD WOULD WANT THEM TO BE AND THAT IS
LOVED UNCONDITIONALLY. I WANT TO PERSONALLY ACKNOWLEDGE MY THANKS
TO ALL THOSE WHO'VE COME FORWARD AND BEEN BRAVE, AND ALL THOSE
WHO ARE GIVING OF THEIR TIME IN SOME WAY TO HELP. MANY WILL NEVER
BE ACKNOWLEDGED. ONE OF THE THINGS THIS SITE HAS ACCOMPLISHED
IS GIVING KNOWLEDGE ON HOW TO IMPROVE HOW CERTAIN THINGS ARE
DONE. YOU KNOW THE SAYING; "KNOWLEDGE IS POWER". THANK
YOU FOR READING THIS AND KEEP ANYONE WHOSE BEEN HURT IN YOUR
PRAYERS.
Remote User:
Date:
11 Feb. 2002
Time:
23:51:41
Comments:
the email I responded to was the one posted at Remote User:
Date: 30 Jan 2002 Time: 16:37:11 and i responded in capitol
letters
and now i'm reading that when you type in capital letters
that you are yelling. That was not my intention. Capital
letters was the only way i could distinguish between their
and my
comments.
When you respond it doesn't give you a choice of font
or color so this was my only option. There were a few places
that
i wanted
to yell. I am very thankful for this site and i check
it many times to see what other people's comments are and to
get updates.
I am glad that Bill mentioned that he was in good standing
and he wasn't disfellowshipped or reproved. NOW maybe
some of the
people will stop badgering him about that. thank you
Remote User:
Date:
13 Feb. 2002
Time:
00:07:47
Comments:
This is a wonderful website! As an abuse survivor myself, it
is truly heartwarming to learn that not only am I not
alone, but there IS something that IS being done to make others,
especially the media, aware of this problem in the witness
organization.
It's time they learned that these lambs have TEETH! Jeanette
Gibson
Remote User:
Date:
13 Feb. 2002
Time:
03:52:55
Comments:
It is all true the JWs are an evil organization that hides
its wrongs behind a veil of religious piety. I have had
a child abused
while a JW and went through exactly the same process
as has been shown on this site. John Law Nambour Australia
Remote User:
Date:
14 Feb. 2002
Time:
17:44:56
Comments:
Not bad. I've been away for a lot of years and didn't have
to put up with any of that crap. But I knew families
that did. This
web site puts the issue in perspective and was the first
time I thought of the problem as endemic.
- Buster
Remote User:
Date:
15 Feb. 2002
Time:
23:43:15
Comments:
Just read everyone's letters for January. A thought: if a brother
who had molested children and now did not and was truly repentant
would you not think that he would be humble enough not to impose
on the congregation by expecting everyone to forgive him let
alone give him "position"? Would he not be in fear
of bringing reproach upon Jehovah by going door to door? Would
you not think that he would sit in the back like the "dog" that
he is and not expect anything??? But be gracious enough to be
able to sit in a Kingdom Hall and grateful- that out of love
no brother or sister would kill him??? Any brother who has sexually
molested a child and is not ashamed of the support he gets from
the elders and isn't ashamed of the shunning of the victim by
the elders is not - I repeat is not a repentant brother.
Another subject: My children were threaten with me being murdered
in front of them and then they themselves being murdered if they
told - they were 2, 3 and 4 years old- This was in 1970 or so
when "I" didn't know that things like this happened,
I didn't know what to do and thought it was my fault for not
protecting my children and I was not able to speak about it openly
for 15 years or so. I told all members of my family, since all
had minor children in the home. NOT ONE PERSON BELIEVED ME and
they are today still sympathetic to the molester (my brother)
and never ever have they shown concern or compassion for my babies.
I have cut off my whole family over this issue. To not be a hypocrite,
I had to cut myself off from the witnesses for the way they do
business with pedophiles. I can't treat my family one way and
the witnesses another. I will not be friends with or associate
with anyone who treats a pedophile with sympathy and the victim
of the same pedophile with indifference or contempt.
True this happens everywhere - so why go anywhere??? I don't
have to go to a Kingdom Hall if it is the same as every place
else and I don't want friends who can't think. I went to the
kingdom hall because I thought it was different.
Lots of thoughts. This "two witness" thing is a "mantra" -
Jehovah never ever meant it to be used as a thoughtless excuse
to "burn children" - Jehovah said "meek" not
stupid. Jehovah's witnesses should be outstanding not ordinary
and that is where Bill's heartache is and everyone who shares
on this site. When there is no difference between a Catholic
or a witness except doctrine, a real witness of the real God
Jehovah takes it to heart. Can't get saved on doctrine. At least
I don't think so.
You guys take care. CEM
Remote User:
Date:
15 Feb. 2002
Time:
23:45:27
Comments:
Just read everyone's letters for January. A thought: if a brother
who had molested children and now did not and was truly repentant
would you not think that he would be humble enough not to impose
on the congregation by expecting everyone to forgive him let
alone give him "position"? Would he not be in fear
of bringing reproach upon Jehovah by going door to door? Would
you not think that he would sit in the back like the "dog" that
he is and not expect anything??? But be gracious enough to be
able to sit in a Kingdom Hall and grateful- that out of love
no brother or sister would kill him??? Any brother who has sexually
molested a child and is not ashamed of the support he gets from
the elders and isn't ashamed of the shunning of the victim by
the elders is not - I repeat is not a repentant brother.
Another subject: My children were threaten with me being murdered
in front of them and then they themselves being murdered if they
told - they were 2, 3 and 4 years old- This was in 1970 or so
when "I" didn't know that things like this happened,
I didn't know what to do and thought it was my fault for not
protecting my children and I was not able to speak about it openly
for 15 years or so. I told all members of my family, since all
had minor children in the home. NOT ONE PERSON BELIEVED ME and
they are today still sympathetic to the molester (my brother)
and never ever have they shown concern or compassion for my babies.
I have cut off my whole family over this issue. To not be a hypocrite,
I had to cut myself off from the witnesses for the way they do
business with pedophiles. I can't treat my family one way and
the witnesses another. I will not be friends with or associate
with anyone who treats a pedophile with sympathy and the victim
of the same pedophile with indifference or contempt.
True this happens everywhere - so why go anywhere??? I don't
have to go to a Kingdom Hall if it is the same as every place
else and I don't want friends who can't think. I went to the
kingdom hall because I thought it was different.
Lots of thoughts. This "two witness" thing is a "mantra" -
Jehovah never ever meant it to be used as a thoughtless excuse
to "burn children" - Jehovah said "meek" not
stupid. Jehovah's witnesses should be outstanding not ordinary
and that is where Bill's heartache is and everyone who shares
on this site. When there is no difference between a Catholic
or a witness except doctrine, a real witness of the real God
Jehovah takes it to heart. Can't get saved on doctrine. At least
I don't think so.
You guys take care. CEM
Remote User:
Date:
18 Feb. 2002
Time:
17:31:11
Comments:
I would just like you to know that i also was a J W for 15years.
I was disfellowshipped 10 yrs ago for wanting to divorce
my husband. the excuse they made was that i wanted to celebrate
christmas
with my children. I have since then not agreed with any
of
there polices. I would like to say that i read your article
and am
glad they are being shown for what sort of people they
really are. they tried to stop my mother from speaking
to me, but
she choose to ignore them. and now she has also seen
your article and is going to disassociate herself from them.
I
WOULD LIKE
TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART.
AS NOW
SHE HAS SEEN THEM IN A DIFFERENT LIGHT. THANK YOU DAWN
Remote User:
Date:
18 Feb. 2002
Time:
19:23:36
Comments:
I am going to link to some of your articles about the sexual
abuse in the JW's. I have a clergy crime site:
http://community. webtv. net/cyberministry/Articles
Remote User:
Date:
18 Feb. 2002
Time:
23:41:19
Comments:
This tragic subject is one that is known all too well to me.
We must all keep speaking out and bringing it out into
the light. Monsters thrive in darkness. I'd like to invite
you
to visit
my friend and I's site, Beware The Wounded Tiger. It's
about childhood sexual abuse and features a forum there
for survivor's
to submit their poems and/or survivor stories so they
may help others and have a place to vent. We are moving on March
1st
to a permanent site, but for now you can find us still
at http://members. aol. com/spookydesigns/angelmz/main. htm
Remote User:
Date:
19 Feb. 2002
Time:
14:05:50
Comments:
i would just like to thank you for all things your are bringing
to my attention my daughter was disfellowshipped from
jw and as i was then still attending the meetings i could not
speak
to
her it took some months to realize my family was breaking
up my husband and i where on the verge of splitting up
over
it
thank fully i took stock and ignored them jw that is
i haven't been
to the meetings now for about nine years and just found
this site thank you i know this letter is not about abuse
of a
child but I hope my point is taken and i have now written
to them to
disassociate my self from people who can hide behind
so called Scriptures and sweep things like child abuse under
the carpet
as if it was of no concern. thank you again and keep
up the work veronicadams2000@yahoo. co. uk
Remote User:
Date:
19 Feb. 2002
Time:
16:28:58
Comments:
I never thought that I would see the day that someone would
take a stand against what happens on the inside of this
organization. I was raised within this strange world and
was abused as
well with nothing being done about it. The use of an outside
professional
psychiatric therapist is highly shunned. I have overcome
my past
through years of strong analysis of the situation.
I am glad that you are doing this. So I guess it isn't true
that Jehovah will protect them through all!
Some minds are very twisted.
Remote User:
Date:
19 Feb. 2002
Time:
17:01:25
Comments:
Your website is wonderful -- it gives voices to those who were
silenced by the WT. It is refreshing to see a site such
as this. As a victim of childhood sexual abuse (I'm not/never
been a JW),
I weep for those innocents and I pray that the WT is
destroyed without a trace -- without even a memory of their existence.
They have other foul double-standard policies -- but
this
is by far the most heinous. The JW's who are current members,
may never see the truth and leave -- but I hope that
this issue
gets
enough publicity to prevent their ranks from increasing.
Ugghhhh! It makes me white-hot-mad when I read about their
arrogance
in protecting the organization and throwing their children
to the
wolves. Ok -- I'm venting. :) Keep on keeping on -- never
give up -- this is a fight worth fighting for!
Sincerely,
Myrna
myrnawhite@rdblaw. com
Remote User:
Date:
23 Feb. 2002
Time:
06:49:17
Comments:
Have you heard of or know anything about a elder named William
Vernon who was sent to jail for molesting children in
the London Kentucky congregation about 10 years ago? I heard
that when
he got out of jail he moved to a different state. Just
wondering if he got his elder privileges back yet in his
new congregation?
Remote User:
Date:
23 Feb. 2002
Time:
14:12:34
Comments:
very interesting. i will come back darkwing_dud
Remote User:
Date:
24 Feb. 2002
Time:
01:48:46
Comments:
You are doing the victims of the Watchtower policy a great
service by keeping this important website. My heart bleeds
for those
innocent children.
If it were not for sites like this, we canadians would be totally
in the dark about such issues about Jehovah's Witnesses. No news
media is permitted to write anything at all of negative nature
about Jehovah's Witnesses here in Canada. Since I have made this
statement many times, Jehovah's Witnesses wanted to "prove" me
wrong by recently allowing a small article to be published here
on the internet (global. com) about a JW girl getting a blood transfusion
against Watchtower policy. But they still NEVER report anything
about cases of pedophiles in the congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses,
whether it be from other countries or Canada. This whole big country
called Canada is totally silent when it comes to exposing Jehovah's
Witnesses for wrongdoing. Other religions yes. . . . but Jehovah's
Witnesses NEVER.
Annette
Remote User:
Date:
24 Feb. 2002
Time:
11:38:28
Comments:
I have been in therapy now for several months because I finally
could no longer deal with my anger about the molestation of my
children by their father, his endless ability victimize me over
and over again all at the orchestration of the "Christian" congregation. . . Then
his welcome home party by the "Congregation" when he
came home from prison (yes, I did prosecute him for five accounts
of rape. . . I thought teaching infants to give him oral sex was
not permissible)Then his full privileges in the congregation,
then NEVER a dime of child support for his six children and a
religion who found no fault with that. . . Then a new husband who
so completely brainwashed supported all "elder" decisions
even when unscriptural. . . . the story is endless and not finished
yet. I am looking for other sisters who have endured such things.
I am not an apostate. But if you speak out against the sexual
misconduct of "the brothers" you instantly are an apostate.
They don't want anyone to know. The first thing they do is tell
you never to talk about it. Are they just in denial or is this
a really wicked scheme to keep everyone in control so they can
perpetuate their wicked behavior? If anyone has anything to share
with me I really need to know. . . I think I really am loosing it.
Jan e-mail janinehamilton@msn. com
Remote User:
Date:
26 Feb. 2002
Time:
12:48:01
Comments:
I would like to know if you still consider yourself to be one
of Jehovah's Witnesses. You say that no one speaks to you at
the Kingdom Hall. Do you still attend? Why or why not? What about
going door to door. You state you go "alone with no territory. "
Remote User:
Date:
26 Feb. 2002
Time:
15:22:36
Comments:
If you are one of Jehovah's Witnesses, why do you perpetuate
a site that insults each and every one of the Witnesses
to their very core? I see so much venom being spewed on
this website and
I don't mean from victims. This seems to be a website
for Witness bashing. Why do you tolerate such conduct if you
believe
Witness
dogma?
What is an apostate?
Remote User:
Date:
26 Feb. 2002
Time:
22:57:47
Comments:
My grandfather, a ministerial servant ("elder" back
then) was a child rapist. I was molested and then raped from
infancy through 10 years. One of his daughters was molested and
raped through 16 years. Another cousin, and countless neighborhood
children, were also his victims. he threatened to kill me if
I ever told.
My father regularly beat me to discipline me - while in his
underwear where his erection was visible, and he would often
be so excited that he'd ejaculate at the end. He was a ministerial
servant and later an elder.
No one did anything about this. It was considered normal.
-adw
Remote User:
Date:
27 Feb. 2002
Time:
02:30:12
Comments:
My husband and I are studying 5 months now. I believe what they
teach. I can sort of relate about rape. i was ,a long
time ago. your right about the 2 witnesses thing. nobody else
knows most
of the time about the rape except you and the rapist. do
they really have this policy enforced on the issue of child
abuse?
I know
that scripture, but i cant imagine they would use it
to
apply to this issue. I have learned a lot of the bible from
them,
I am afraid not to become one of them ,because of what
the bible
says about those who do not obey Christ. About going door
to door,Etc. do you still tell others about the kingdom?I
thought they handled
things perfectly on matters because every answer comes
from the bible. there must be an exception on the matter
of abuse.
Then
again there are rare occurrences of children lying. What
is the bibles policy on child abuse? Please write me back
at
wwwGEOANDMISH@msn. com
Remote User:
Date:
27 Feb. 2002
Time:
03:02:55
Comments:
I'd like to address a few of the last couple of posts. First,
the person who say this is a site for witness bashing & asks
what is an apostate. If you look in the book "Aid to bible
understanding" it says that an apostate is "one who
stands apart" that's all. Next, if you are looking for a
site devoted to "witness bashing" there are hundreds
of them far better suited to the task. If you will read it again,
especially the pamphlet, you'll notice this site does not address
the dogma or teachings of the witnesses. IT ONLY ADRESSES THAT
CHILDREN ARE BEING HORRIBLY RAPED & NOT A DAMN THING IS BEING
DONE ABOUT IT BY THE WBTS!!!!! The thing that makes me so angry
is that no one wants to face this & argue about doctrine,
or say it doesn't happen that often, or it'll just go away. Your
children are being raped over & over( I was in the wbts for
22 yrs, & I alone have talked to at least 20 kids who've
had this happen, myself & my brother included, w/ not one
molester ever having been reported) Stop arguing about who is
a witness & who isn't, & ask your kids if any one has
done this. take it to the elders & see what happens. As for
the letter from the people who've been studying. You can go door
to door yourself, you don't need a publishing companies OK to
do it. Also, at least in the old testament, if you wanna know
what was done to sex offenders, if you've read the bible at all,
they had a great solution for these people who, even today, even
with god's help, have a 95% re-offense rate. They killed them.
End of story
Remote User:
Date:
27 Feb. 2002
Time:
03:05:00
Comments:
The above was written by avishai, avishai@hotmail. com
Remote User:
Date:
27 Feb. 2002
Time:
09:26:31
Comments:
Where do I find the book you refer to as "Aid to Bible Understanding?"
Remote User:
Date:
28 Feb. 2002
Time:
00:15:15
Comments:
It's also referred to as the "aid" book, It was the
jw reference encyclopedia from the late 60's to the late 80'd
Remote User:
Date:
01 Mar 2002
Time:
08:25:09
Comments:
A certain person, like yourself (Via the internet) complained
that sisters were allowed to teach in the congregation
and not kept in subjection. You seem to be saying the opposite.
Jesus
said that our forgiveness takes place by GOD ON CONDITION
that we forgive other, (since all fall short of God's glory!)
'The
Lord's Prayer'-Matt 6:14. How do you interpret a threat
or
warning? i.e.,,if one says that to go around telling others
something that
does not carry enough evidence to prove the point in
question will make them subject to accusations of slander. If
such
a persons had en ought evidence, then why not go strait
to the police? I
have heard the Organization state that no one should
protect someone who is breaking the Law! The problem might be
a
local one.
Remote User:
Date:
01 Mar 2002
Time:
20:53:31
Comments:
Read the "murder letter" under the caption "wt
letters" you will see how wt service department feels about
turning in criminals to the police.
I rest my case your honor. . . .
silentlambs
Remote User:
Date:
03 Mar 2002
Time:
11:55:40
Comments:
"
The plaintiff's counsel seeks to strip a church of the sanctity
and complete confidentiality of the confession. . . " - Paul
D. Polidoro
First time I've seen the WBTS use the term "confession" -
brought up in the faith, I never saw anyone going to confession.
What gets me even more is the caveat that the WBTS must have "proper
evidence" to take any action, or support any victim - that "proper
evidence" being two witnesses. With molest, this is virtually
never happens.
No one believed me when I told. I had no witnesses. I was molested
my entire childhood.
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